Thank you Moveon.org!

Your childish and very demeaning ad did more to keep the war against terrorist going then anything my side could have done.

Very good!
take some money out of petty cash and have a ice cream party on your Uncle George!

Now if they can just do something even more stupid to derail Hillary Clinton, it will be 4 more years of the GOP in the white house.

The thing is these jackasses on the Right are such absolute hypocrites. Don't believe it? Listen to Limbaugh who attacks Edwards with the 'Breck Girl' insult. Or Mark Levin who refers to Hillary Clinton as 'Hillary Rotten Clinton aka Her Thighness'.

Now... I am going to gauge the basic intelligence of all of you here. What exactly is the difference between what MoveOn did and what those two talkers CONTINUE to do?

Well now---knock a brick off the chimney--Hillary being consistent, even firm, in her disdain for the military. Accusing a 4 star General of lying to Congress and by voting against the condemnation of the MoveOn (from Lewinsky)"Betray us" ad she has finally found something she is clear on.
And, just in passing, you folks who voted for it---MoveOn's response is an out and out threat.  "NO SOUP FOR YOU."
Just what we need:  a commander-in-chief who hates the military and answers to a mafia like mob.  Great, just great.

Every single senator that voted to 'condemn' or whatever this ad should be voted out of office.  What a waste of time, condemning someone's opinions.  If people need one more reason to vote most of these bums out of office, they sure got one.  

Join MoveOn and the koskids at ground zero where Ahmadinejad will lead them in a "Death to America" chant

Why didn't the Democratic leadership propose a non-binding resolution to denounce the Republican campaign when they swiftboated John Kerry from the presidency?  Shame on you Democrats who voted against freedom of speech!

bush's ss gestapo,  oops I mean blackwater, will probably visit any Americans who tell the truth in the middle of the night and haul them away, after illegally wiretapping their phones, probably to cuba and no one will ever here from them(you and me) again.

Wake up & smell the fascism.

THE HAND OF GEORGE SORUS
Moveon.org is not a small band of Democrats stalwarts without even offices.  It is the mouthpiece for multi-billionaire George Sorus and his personal agenda.  Let's not forget the damage this foreign-born national has done to national ecomies with his ruthless currency speculation.

Let see "all move on members didn't approve of the ad".

Go figure....Like Obama and Biden said.  This was a game and they weren't playing...good for you guys

I own a Lincoln Navigator and I bet a lot of you liberals screeming about the war for oil own suv's also.

Hillary is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. If she had come out with the strong statement against Moveon, I can guarantee that her critics will say that she was still being insincere, being a political opportunist to get involved in the headline news and to rub some Petraeus honor onto her self, pandering to the military, flip-flopping on the Iraq withdrawal issue. Her critics won't appreciate her even if she bothered to stand up for Petraeus, meantime, she risks offending a large group of Moveon supporters. What would she get in return, a very very insignificant number of people who are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was sincerely supporting Petraeus.

The difference, M. Boley, is that Limbaugh and Levin are talking heads, not activists. They don't claim to speak for all Republicans, and certainly don't tell them how to vote.

Compare and contrast: MoveOn brags that it "bought" and "owns" the Democratic Party, and as the NY Times reports, "Every morning, representatives from a cluster of antiwar groups [including MoveOn.org] gather for a conference call with Democratic leadership staff members in the House and the Senate" to issue the day's marching orders.

Oh, and Republicans don't libel our military commanders. So much for the left's claim that they 'support the troops.'

So republicans and democrats found something they could pass, a non-binding resolution condemning a newspaper ad.

I applaud the brave democratic senators who crossed the aisle to cower before the threat yet again by the party that failed to plan for the post-war occupation, whose only plan for the insurgency was to deny it existed, whose only solution for the ensuing civil war was to deny IT existed, who failed to provide adequate force, adequate armor, adequate rest, (and most damning of all) adequate care to our wounded and maimed heroes, of being against the troops.

A special kudos to senator Obama, who chose to stand on the sidelines, playing politics while using that calculation as his excuse. I predict that He will regret this as much if not more than anything else during this campaign.

To the twenty plus democrats who voted with the monolithic republican bloc, shame on you. You exemplify the lack of resolve and courage of conviction that has marked much of the past 6 1/2 years and why the republicans continue to rule the roost, despite being the minority party.

The party that has done more to weaken our military and put our brave men and women of the armed forces in harm's way, (the majority for multiple combat tours) for a war of choice, begun under false pretenses, without hope of resolution, in a quagmire of a civil war, has again won the only kind of victory they have been able to achieve, a propaganda win in a war of words, over my cowardly party.

GEORGE BUSH HAS BETRAYED US.COM

What a bunch of stupid baby whinning. Its Bush this & Bush that. Bush sat on a tuffit and ate the cat. Every thing wrong in your liberal life is Bush's fault. Talk about needing to "Move on", you liberal whinners need a dose of WWII blood and guts for a reality check.        

> What exactly is the difference between what MoveOn
> did and what those two talkers CONTINUE to do?

Moveon owns the Democratic party.  The Democrats do not make a move without asking Moveon what to do.  Moveon is funding many of the Democrats campaigns, so they are beholden to what Moveon desires.  Moveon has said that they "own" the Democratic party.  This appears to be true.

Levin and Limbaugh do not own the Republican party.  Neither is a donor to any Republican campaigns, at least not at the level that Moveon and Soros sponser the Democrats. No one in the Republican party consults with either of these two as to be told what to do next.  Unlike Moveon, both Levin and Limbaugh are critical of the party they support when they feel it has strayed from the values they believe in.  Moveon won't be critical of the Democrats because they control the Democrats.


> Now... I am going to gauge the basic intelligence
> of all of you here.

Looks to be much higher then what you are producing.

Enough with the feigned outrage.  Maligning service men was perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the Republicans when it was anyone running against them ( John McCain, John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Max Cleland)
If I remember correctly, they pretty much mocked every purple heart recipient with band-aids.  Where was the outrage then?

The "right" has been wrong on every facet of Iraq, from WMD's to Al Qaeda to flowers to "mission accomplished" to "last throes" to the eternal "six more months" making the difference.  General Pataeus' testimony somehow contradicts every other government report concerning Iraq.  

UN inspections kept WMD's out of Saddam's hands and cost about 100 million a year.  We've been spending 4 BILLION a WEEK on Bush's "solution" to that problem, for years now.

Who is betraying the American people? I think I know.

Stevie Nichts, where on earth do you get your "facts"?  Every statement you made is a lie.

Ad agency/client ignorance. Message should have read:
"GENERAL PETRAEUS, GENERALS BETRAY US...WHEN THEY FAIL TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER."  
Pound the policy, not those charged with prosecuting it. Wise use of the language allows all of the message with none of the meanness. Doofus decision to run the ad as was...slightly more doofus is the Democrat leadership consistently outmaneuvered in the politics of this stupid war.

Everybody should be able to say anything about anything and everybody should be able to hear or read about it. Yes, this means that even the whiners and cry-babies have a forum in which to cry and moan. Is this not what freedom is about?

Well, Stevie, Limbaugh and Levin ARE activists in a sense. They are the ones who implore their listeners to deluge the House and Senate switchboards with phone calls and e-mails. They have more influence than you think. Remember what Trent Lott said about talk radio after the immigration fiasco?

And their comments and name-calling are disgusting too. You say that Republicans don't libel our military commanders. Perhaps that is true. But conservative talkers routinely slander those who disagree with them and yet there are no calls for them to be called out for it. It's AOK for Ann Coulter to call Al Gore a 'total fag' but outrageous for MoveOn to parody a General's name? That is laughable!

So, again, why the double standard? And how about this: what if MoveOn decided to use an actual quote from Petraeus's superior, Admiral Fallon, in the ad instead? Admiral Fallon called Petraeus an 'ass-kissing little chickenshit'. What say you on that? Should the Admiral be trashed too? Why hasn't he been since that quote is on the record?

Dear Ben from Chicago - Couldn't agree with you more.  I was so incensed about this freakin' waste of time that I wrote my congressmen last night to tell them that I was ashamed of them.   They should have followed Obama's example.  

As usual, Wayne comes in here with a complete non sequitur. No-one here is talking about Lincoln Navigators, SUVs, and oil.

Oh, it's 'screaming' not 'screeming'.

Obviously, Mama Petraeus never cautioned little David about associating with bad companions.

Why is it that conservatives are incapable of discussing the subject at hand?  They have to bring up Soros, the Iranian president, and mythical conference calls rather than discuss the very clear subject here.

Is it offensive to suggest a military leader might not act in the best interests of the American people?  

Is it offensive then to suggest a man who was a POW is mentally unstable, that a medal-winning wounded vet might have faked his own wounds, or that a man who sacrficed three limbs in Vietnam should be grouped with terrorists?

Be careful, folks, the cracks are showing.

No Liberal can say they support the troops with a straight face after that ad.

If you loved my Vietnam/Iraq difference, you'll love my last post on the subject yesterday.

Enjoy your weekend.
Do something with your family instead of protesting and getting tasered this weekend.

Advice to people engaging in discussion with MBoley.  Don't waste your keystrokes.  Just dug through the posts for the last day or so, and read some of his/her stuff. At best, he/she converses on the level of a high school sophomore.

Here's a little advice MBoley.  If you think you are smarter then everyone else, you're not.

SHAME ON ALL DEMOCRATICS WHO WENT ALONG WITH THIS BOGUS REPUBLICAN PUBLICITY STUNT/DIVERSION FROM THE FAILED WAR IN IRAQ AND VOTED TO CONDEMN MOVE ON.  AND, YES, I AGREE, HAD THE DEMS HAD THE BALLS, THEY SHOULD HAVE VOTED A RESOLUTION DONEMNING THE SWIFTBOATING AD AND THE RACIST AD IN THE FORD SENATE CAMPAIGN ("CALL ME, WINK, WINK") PREPUBLICANS ARE SLIMEMEISTERS WHO wILL STOOP AT NOTHING TO RUN THEIR OWN OUTRAGEOUS ADS, AND NOW THEY WANT TO CONDEMN ONE THEY DON'T LIKE, BECAUSE IT "INSULTS" A GENERAL WHO IS NOTHING BUT A CLACK FOR BUSH.
ABAIN, SHAME ON THE DEMS WHO VOTED TO CONDEMN THE AD.  TO ME, THEY'VE BETRAYED THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!

Why is it OK for Republicans to run attack ads like this but the moment some non-republican group does, then it is somehow wrong.  Republicans shamelessly did this to war veteran John Kerry during the 2004 presidential campaign, they currently do it by manipulating disfigured war veterans to garner support for their lie based war and they will do it again and again.  Give it up Republicans, the people of the USA are no longer buying your cheap attempts to twist perceptions about your war and your further attempts to manipulate the impressionable minds of this nation who like to be told what to think.  Your quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand mentality has been exposed and all your attacks against those who oppose you only further expose your personal greed and hypocrisy.

In retrospect, I'm surprised that the common ordinary US citizen would even care about the Moveon.org Petraues ad.  We all knew that General Petraues was going to write his own speech, in his own words, saying exactly all the things that he knew the Bush administration wanted to hear in a form that sounded acceptable to all republican politicians.  The very fact that these Bush sycophants in the republican party got some of the spineless democrats to side with them in their wasteful republican efforts to condemn the MoveOn.org add clearly shows that these democrats are no different then these dysfunctional republican politicians.  They both only value the interests of the rich minority of the nation, the interests of large corporations and votes in swing states as opposed to standing for their oath to the US Constitution, truth, the facts & doing the moral right thing by the people of the USA.  McCain and all Republican politicians should be ashamed of themselves for their self-serving conduct all throughout the Bush administration as it is clear that they are not of, for or by the people.  

If these spineless rich republican chicken hawks want their war so much, they should start funding it themselves instead of strapping the wasteful war debt on the backs of middle and lower class children for the next several generations.  If these spineless republican chicken hawks really think that their illegal unconstitutional war was and is justified, then they should send their young college republican sociopath offspring to go fight their war.  They all claim to be for war but always claim to be too busy to join the military and fight in it.  Its time that they put their money where their mouths are by enlisting in the military and going to Iraq to be part of the Bush / Cheney / PNAC occupation of Iraq for oil.

MoveOn.org should be commended for their willingness to present the facts and stand up for the truth.  Apparently, the Republican Party has not changed for the better and still has the very same unstable mindset of their vicious pseudo-conservative, quasi-Taliban mouthpieces like Ann Coulter who speak at their fund raising efforts.  The appealing part about being like these viscous mouthpieces who attack MoveOn.org is the fact that it allows them to think that they are superior to others and further promote hate and war mongering within the masses.  The sad reality to being one of these sociopaths is the fact that they usually cannot find anything filthier then their own personal reflection.  When they are confronted with that reality, they always resort to the same cheap tactic over and over which is to rally their chicken hawks, hate mongers & vicious mouth pieces to make up lies against those who expose their sins.  Very predictable…

It is hard to believe that members of congress could stoop any lower or fall any deeper into the gutter but somehow they find a way everytime.  There are issues of life and death still on the table and precious time is wasted voting on a political ad. What a sorry precedent to set for what used to be the world's greatest legislative body. My last word on the subject is that it is not only the 435 members who are to blame but majority of lazy and, often, stupid voters who put them there.  What's wrong with America is not the Congress.  The Congress is just a mirror.  What's wrong with America is Americans.

Jerry, I am a liberal, and I have a straight face.

I come from a military family.
I support the troops.
I do not support this war, or the current Republican Administration.


Does Centcom Chief Admiral Fallon support the troops?

Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be “an ass-kissing little chickenshit” and added, “I hate people like that.”

Ah, that's rich, William. You're doing the same thing that those AM radio talkers are doing - when people bring up cogent arguments and FACTS you just shout them down with ad hominems. Your post didn't contribute anything of substance here.

Now... who's the smarter one again...?

Explain this, Garwin, since you seem to be 'on top of things' here. Why did Bush have a meeting with the leading Righty talkers at the White House? What was that all about? Was that 'consultation' or was it another one of those idiotic 'rah-rah' pep rallies?

Republicans have had a lock on the media so long they are unaccustomed to reading something in the MSM they find offensive. Over the last six years I started boycotting ABC after it became apparent their political blog, The Note, had a right wing bias. I got up and turned off CBS News the night I heard Rush Limbaugh's voice on it, and I haven't watched Katie again. I stopped reading Time since their only "liberal" columnist was the Bush bootlickig Joe Klein. Funny, I've never heard of a Congressional vote decrying Ann Coulter's assertion the Vietnam War was lost because the soldiers then were losers. I suggest the Republicans get in their "free market" mode and learn to turn off media they find offensive, rather than expecting thhe government to punish those with whom they disagree. What do you guys want, a nanny state?

Actually, William, MBoley seems to have a pretty good handle on facts.
It would be nice if you could point out his inaccuracies rather than simply insult him.  THAT is a high school sophomore debate tactic.

wayneTx, I drive a 2002 Toyota Prius.  What is your point? Are you saying we have Iraqi blood on our hands in proportion to the oil we consume? You may be right.

Hi jerry, support the troops, bring them home. Enjoy your weekend too. Wear earplugs at those NASCAR events and save your hearing.

World War II blood & guts, John L?  Were you there?  Have you served at all?  Otherwise, I can see you're behind the troops, alright - about 7,000 miles behind them!

"Victory means exit strtegy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what that exit strategy is."==














"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."--Gov. G.W. bush(R)-TX




gov. G.W. bush

M.Boley seems to have an inferiority complex.

MoveOn.org has a right to say anything they want say. I, in turn, have a right to say that the ad they ran in the NY Times was one of the most despicable peices of crap I have ever seen. Without men like Petraeus there would be no freedom of speech, no First read, no United States of America. Perhaps George Souros and his MoveOn morons would prefer to live under Sharia Law? Perhaps they would like to MoveOn to Tehran and run an ad such as this about Ahmenidejad, or the Grand Ayatollah? Perhaps many who support MoveOn are just Bush haters who really don't take the time to totally think through their positions? Like the Dean of Columbia University, who has banned the ROTC and the founder of the Minuteman Project from the Columbia U campus, but has extended a gracious invitation to Ahmenidejad. You guys just won't be happy until this nation is completely socialist, will you?

Guess what folks?  All this anger/hate coming from both sides of the argument will be the down fall of this country... Enjoy the ride!

Rather than complain, go and DO something good for your neighbor...

Peace,

No wonder Congress' ratings are lower than ever.  They waste their time condemning free speech in a country who has a Constitution which is based on it; they vote to fund a war the majority of them are either against or have deep reservations toward how it has been run; they hold hearings to find out answers and spend most of their time pontificating rather then asking questions; and, they spend more time raisng money from those who give them money to get elected than they spend with the people who actually vote to elect them.  We have the best government money can buy and we just keep paying and paying for mediocrity and incompetence when we should demand more.  That we as Americans have not given the reins of this country over to the best and the brightest amazes me.  Instead we have been led by the mediocre and the moronic for the past eight years.  We have done this to ourselves and while we may blame one politician or another for the mess we're in, we really only have ourselves to blame.  Instead of demanding the Republicans or Democrats take responsibilty for their actions, we should put the blame where it really belongs; on us.  Time for a change.  Everyone seems to aplaud the courage of the troops for doing their duty, why can't we have the courage to do our duty here at home and vote for people who understand the complexities of the problems facing us today instead of voting for people who have one line answers which don't solve a thing.  


   

Hey Jerry, Since when is protesting or exercising free speech something that should get you tasered?  I thought we lived in a land where free speech and free expression were honored.  Isn't that what we're supposed to be fighting for over in Iraq...freedom for the Iraq people?  Or is it freedom for only those of us that think like you?  You should be applauding those of us who exercise our right to protest not mock it.  And Jerry, do you think it's okay to taser a 21 year old kid who is at a political rally excercising his right to question one of our leaders?...you think that's good?  If someone doesn't agree with you, you think they should be tasered????  You don't belong in this country, sir.  I'll tell you this, you are more disgusting than any ad expressing freedom of thought could ever be.

Oh, by the way Jerry, have a nice weekend.

Here's why MoveOn is important.

The mainstream media has no problems showing Bush atop the rubble of the WTC  with a bullhorn.

It took Michael Moore to show the footage of Bush reading a children's book for long minutes after being told we were under attack.

The mainstream media has no problems showing Cheney stating emphatically that "I never said that.

It took Jon Stewart to run the clips of Cheney making that statement along with the clip of him saying what he claimed he didn't say.

The mainstream media has no problems labeling anyone who claims the Iraq war was about oil as "far-left" or "extreme"

But they fail to admit their bias when Alan Greenspan says “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,”

The media has failed in it's job.  We need the alternative voices, even when they something we don't like.

Move On's stand have consistently proven to be correct.
The other side of the political spectrum has been consistently wrong about every single issue concerning Iraq.

I know where I stand.

Laurie in NJ: Hey Jerry, Since when is protesting or exercising free speech something that should get you tasered?

Kerry thought there was nothing wrong with it.  If it's good with him, it's good with me.  Most exciting thing that has happened to John in 20 years.

Democratic rally cry for their convention - "Don't Taser Me Bro'!"  They should have the kid do their keynote speech.

MK //I know where I stand.


With the rest of the left-wing moon-bats.

Here's how the Republicans "support the troops" and follow the advice of the military-

Military personel to google:

Anthony Zinni
Eric Shinseki
Karen Kwiatkowski
Charles Pritchard
Major John Carr
Major Robert Preston
Captain Carrie Wolf
Colonel Douglas Macgregor

Justine,  I see facts and opinion in his posts, no sign of an inferiority complex.

In your post, though, I only see an ad hominem attack.

The usual rightwing debate techniques are ad hominems, changing the subject, conflating unrelated issues, and finally, when all else fails, "cutting off the mike."

It's actually kind of fun to watch, once you recognize the pattern.

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