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Posted: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:31 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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BIDEN: He has a new op-ed he co-writes with Leslie Gelb defending his proposed political solution that he takes pains NOT to call "partition."
 

CLINTON: Looking to prove inevitability this morning? Well, the new Washington Post/ABC poll is going to make a lot of folks in Ballston smile this morning. "For the first time, Clinton (N.Y.) is drawing support from a majority of Democrats -- and has opened up a lead of 33 percentage points over Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.). Her popularity, the poll suggests, is being driven by her strength on key issues and a growing perception among voters that she would best represent change. ... The new numbers come on the heels of an aggressive push by Clinton to dominate the political landscape. She unveiled her health-care proposal and then appeared on all five Sunday news shows on the same day -- all while her husband, former president Bill Clinton, went on tour to promote a new book. Within the past month, at least one Clinton has appeared on television virtually every day, increasing the campaign's exposure among millions of Americans."
 
"Support for Obama, now at 20 percent, has softened since early September and stands at its lowest point since he entered the race in February."
 
Speaking of polls, a new Quinnipiac poll in New York has Clinton topping Giuliani by double-digits, more proof that even Giuliani won't REALLY put NY in play. Now, NJ and PA (and maybe even CT?), that's another story. By the way, Giuliani is competitive in NY with Obama; the two are tied. 
 
The Hillary laugh is now getting "Gore-like Earth tones" coverage. Howie Kurtz adds to the mix today with an analysis. "The subtext here is that the media have collectively decided that the wife of the 42nd president is the inevitable nominee and a good bet to become the 44th Oval Office occupant. Lacking much of a horse race, since Clinton has maintained a 20-point national lead over Barack Obama all year, journalists are resorting to a classic general-election question: Are Americans ready to have this woman in their living rooms every night for four years? Are they comfortable with her personality? Do they like her voice? "
 
Poet Maya Angelou talks to the Des Moines Register to discuss her support for Clinton. 
 
Clinton does an online interview with Newsweek readers on its web site. A couple of highlights: Q: “Whether it’s fair or not, you and your husband are polarizing figures to many Americans. America needs some healing after all of the divisiveness of the last eight years. During the campaign and after, how will you convince the Clinton-haters that you can be a good president for all the people?” -- Cynthia, Denver
 
A: “Those were the things some people said about me when I first ran for the Senate. From my very first days in office, I worked hard to show people who I am, what I stand for, and what I can do. And I was extremely gratified to be re-elected with almost 67 percent of the vote -- and to win 90 percent of the counties that George Bush had carried just two years earlier.”
 
Q: “As the first woman president, what would you do differently from the men that have preceded you?” -- Dan, Ladera Ranch, Calif.
 
A: “Throughout this campaign thus far, I have been thrilled by the movement we are building. Fathers are driving long distances to bring their daughters to my events. Women in their 90s are telling me that they were born before women had the right to vote and that they want to live long enough to see a woman in the White House. When I am elected, we will have made history by working together.” 
 
What would a Clinton II White House be like?: In its Oct. 8 issue, New York Magazine’s Jennifer Senior takes a look at how a potential Hillary Clinton presidency might look differently from that of her husband. “So what’s it going to be? Will he stay out of her hair, traveling the world and working on his Nobel Peace Prize résumé? Or will he, having so much to contribute, also insist on an office in the West Wing and attend staff meetings, as she once did? And what will he do in the more delicate and complex scenarios, like legislative junctures that may affect her legacy: Will he use his muscle with members of Congress, meeting with them, charming them, taking them out for golf? ‘He’s always been a guy who could bloom where he’s planted,’ says Paul Begala, one of Clinton’s top advisers in his first presidential campaign. ‘Which is true, as we’ve all seen. But it’s up to Hillary to decide whether she wants him in the sun.’”
 
More: “From 1993 forward, she’s kept a separate and distinct staff --fanatically loyal, tight-lipped, mostly female -- making it hard to imagine how he’d fit comfortably into the West Wing. Their leadership styles and characterological differences couldn’t be more distinct: Hillary runs a tight ship and has little tolerance for wiftiness; where he’s inclined to meander, she’s inclined to drill down. She listens better than he does. Yet she’s warier of people than he is. She doesn’t believe that everyone’s susceptible to reason and gentle persuasion.” 
 
By the way, the cover of the issue shows what looks like an amalgamation of Bill and Hillary as a brunette with a pageboy flip and a red dress. The issue includes an irreverent – to say the least -- article by Ariel Levy on how Hillary changed the game forever for political wives. 
 
EDWARDS: Kos all but writes off Edwards because of his taking matching funds.
 
The Boston Globe’s Scott Lehigh doesn’t buy what he calls Edwards’ “hick schtick” for New Hampshire: “Hmmmm. From Fred Harris to Dick Gephardt to Tom Harkin to Bob Kerrey, populists, of conviction or convenience, have actually fared poorly here. Add to that the state's well-tuned authenticity meter, and you see why I suspect Edwards's hick shtick just won't click.

In Portsmouth, NH, Edwards will announce a new plan for managing security contractors in Iraq. As President, Edwards will fundamentally reform our system for security contractors by: (1) Establishing Strong Quality Control and Accountability Measures; (2) Implementing a Formal; (3) Evaluation of the Role of Contractors; (4) Removing Cronyism out of Security Contracts; (5) Expanding Legal Oversight and Prosecutions; (6) Reestablishing a Democratic Military.
 
Some speech excerpts: “A week ago Sunday, Hillary Clinton said that she would continue to conduct combat missions in Iraq. If you’re not ending combat operations, you’re not ending the war. My plan is very clear. I would get 40-50,000 troops out immediately and would withdraw all troops from Iraq within 9-10 months, with the exception of those left to guard the Embassy (no more than a brigade) and to possibly protect humanitarian workers. And I’d launch a diplomatic offensive to get all local, national, and regional parties behind the comprehensive political solution that will end the violence in Iraq. The debate I expect to have next fall with Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani or whoever’s the Republican nominee is whether or not to end this war. But the debate Senator Clinton would be in is how big a war you’re going to have. We should leave it to the Republicans to offer America four more years of George W. Bush’s mess of a war in Iraq. …
 
“Our party, the Democratic Party, has to offer the American people real change, and that starts with ending this war for good, not just trimming it. Because being just a little bit better than the Republicans is not reason enough to be the President of the United States.”
 
OBAMA: Obama delivered his fifth anniversary anti-war speech three times yesterday, in Iowa City, at DePaul University in Chicago and in Des Moines. "At each stop, Obama did not mention Clinton by name but took implicit aim at her claim that her vote in support of the war resolution was intended only to give President Bush more authority to seek weapons inspections in Iraq, and that she did not foresee how Bush would use it. ... So far, though, his campaign has struggled to capitalize on his war stance. Clinton has resisted apologizing for her vote and blurred her differences with Obama, who has generally voted similarly on Iraq-related measures since he joined the Senate in 2005. Polls show that Democratic voters who want the war to end prefer her to get that job done.
 
“The Clinton campaign dismissed Obama's criticisms as a rehash. ‘We believe voters are focused on the future and on ending the war in Iraq,’ said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer."
 
“Another candidate, Chris Dodd (Conn.), argued that Obama's charges contradicted his statement before the 2004 Democratic presidential convention that he did not fault John F. Kerry and John Edwards for their votes in favor of the war resolution because he did not know what intelligence they had access to."
 
The New York Times’ Zeleny writes, "It remains an open question whether Mr. Obama’s approach -- reprising the past to foreshadow the future -- will gain traction in the final three months of the year as voters pay more attention to the race, and help him turn what many Democrats had once viewed as Mrs. Clinton’s biggest vulnerability against her." 
 
NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli notes across New Hampshire Tuesday, Obama's campaign held events to draw attention to the anniversary of his '02 speech against the war in Iraq. Among them were viewing parties in 14 towns to watch a DVD documenting that speech and others since then, as well as stories of New Hampshire servicemen and women and their families.
 
In an interview, with the Concord Monitor, Obama said that all Dems' Iraq plans are "variations on the same theme." Obama: "Now that they've determined we need to bring an end to the war, there are only so many ways we can do it." So instead, he wants voters to focus on the judgment he showed before the war started. Obama: "It was the most important foreign policy decision in a generation, and who got it right and wrong is relevant in determining who's got the experience and judgment to move forward." 
 
And the Obama campaign is touting that the speech got front-page coverage with the Des Moines Register
 
Here’s an interesting observation from NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan. Sen obama was working out at the Iowa City gym this morning with Secret Service agents and his body man in tow. When I asked the two U of I students on the ellipticals on either side of me if they knew who that tall man was, they had no clue. But when she filled them in, they said, "Oh wow!"

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" Her popularity, the poll suggests, is being driven by her strength on key issues and a growing perception among voters that she would best represent change."

That's proof that all this fake outrage, and bitching out of democrats the last 7 years as all been one big sad LIE!!!!
She has crossed the 50 percent line. She's seen as the most electable. She is seen as best able to quell partisanship tensions.

"Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, 53 percent support Clinton, compared with 20 percent for Obama and 13 percent for former senator John Edwards (N.C.).

Despite rivals' efforts to portray her as too polarizing to win the general election, a clear majority of those surveyed, 57 percent, said Clinton is the Democratic candidate with the best chance on Nov. 4, 2008. The percentage saying Clinton has the best shot at winning is up 14 points since June. By contrast, 20 percent think Edwards is most electable and 16 percent think Obama is, numbers that represent a huge blow to the "electability" argument rivals have sought to use against her.

One of the central claims of Obama's campaign is that he is best suited to lower partisan tensions in Washington. But, in this poll, more see Clinton as best able to reduce partisanship."

The polls are moving...

Van
LIES LIES LIES> Enough already with BS>We all are not as stupid as you think we are.
It should be noted that the ABC/Washington Post poll was not of likely voters, not of registered voters, but of adults - which is as wide a screen as you can get.  You look at the Cook poll for registered voters and the Obama is over twenty points closer to Clinton, and the Reuters poll for likely voters also tells the same story.  This mirrors the phenomenon in Iowa where Clinton leads by six points among all Democrats but trails Obama by eight points among likely caucus voters first and second choice; the people who will decide this race are going in the opposite direction of the national polls (which is what almost always happens in the Democratic race anyway, so no one should be surprised.)
First Read...who are you trying to fool with the polling garbage.  It's irresponsible to project Hillary's inevitability with  sample size of 592 democratic voters.
Man, this site really is a Clinton shill!
The momentum continues for Hillary.  A record breaking third quarter and now a 33 point lead over Obama.  

This is all a reflection of the stellar campaign she has run, particularly her strong performances in the televised debates.  Also, with more exposure, democrats can see that Obama does not have the experience or stature to compete against Hillary.

President Hillary Rodham Clinton – sounds good to me!
They TRUST her more...

"On major issues, Democrats are far more likely to trust her than her main competitors -- 52 percent trust her most on Iraq, compared with 22 percent who trust Obama most on the war and 17 percent who trust Edwards most. On health care, 66 percent trust her most to handle the issue, compared with 15 percent for Obama and 14 percent for Edwards. Half see Clinton as the candidate who best reflects the "core values" of the Democratic Party."

She best reflects the core values of the democratic party.

"Democrats remain roughly evenly divided over whether they want a candidate of change or of experience, the dichotomy that has been widely used to sum up the party's race so far. Fifty percent said they prefer a candidate who emphasizes a new direction, and 42 percent said they want a proven, steady leader.

In both cases, support for Clinton has grown. Two months ago, 51 percent of voters seeking a candidate of "strength and experience" picked Clinton as their favorite. Now 62 percent of voters in this category support Clinton."

She is seen as having strength AND experience. No one else is even close.

Van
Wasn't a very good day for Liberals yesterday....

Harry Reid looking like a total fool yesterday, all at the expense of media matters, founded by Hillary Clinton......

Tom "top Gun" Harkin (call name Stupid) talking about Rush Limbaugh when in fact he was found out to be a liar when he said he flew combat missions over North Vietnam.  See what happens Top Gun when you listen to media matters, founded by Hillary Clinton?

Did Media matters, founded by Hillary Clinton, give the results of the poll to ABC or did ABC call a bunch of people in New York again.

Newt Gingrich could not run for President and be the head of his organization at the same time.  Does this rule also include the Clinton's.  I would think that an investigation of Media matters, founded by Hillary Clinton, would be warranted in this matter, to see if the Senator from New York may have broken the law.

Is there a different standard for women or do women need this advantage to overcome their ineptness?

These polls are getting ridiculous! Wake up America, don't let MSM shove "more of the same" down your throat!
What makes Biden believe that the people of Iraq will go along with partitioning their country? They are against it.Granted, they have resorted to their own cleansing of their neighborhoods for purposes of survival. Now their's strictly Sunni, Shia and Kurd neighborhoods. I do not believe they will allow and/or accept George Bush and neocons to dictate to them the outcome of their country. Iraq was carved out and created by the British and I seriously doubt that 21 century American colonialism will ever be accepted. The civil war will continue surge or no surge regardless of temporary lull/decrease in the killings (whether you are shot in the forehead or back of your head).
Who do people see as the candidate of, "change"?

"Among those looking for a "new direction and new ideas," Clinton now has an edge, with support from 45 percent -- compared with 31 percent for Obama. Previously, these "change voters" were split evenly between Clinton and Obama."

She is now seen as the, "change", candidate, by more people.

"Overall, support for Clinton exceeds 50 percent for the FIRST TIME in the campaign. In five previous Post-ABC polls this year, she hovered in the low to mid-40s."

Someone here said she would NEVER get over 50%. Are they here today?

"Support for Obama, now at 20 percent, has softened since early September and stands at its LOWEST POINT since he entered the race in February. Support for Edwards has remained essentially stable. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Sens. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) and Christopher J. Dodd (Conn.), Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (Ohio), and former senator Mike Gravel (Alaska) all registered in the low single digits."

Even her detractors have to admit that her campaign has done a masterful job of separating her from the rest of the field in the first month of serious competition.


Van  
Yes we all question polls ...but a poll of 520 democrats out of 150 million roughly seems questionable to me.  What did they ask 5 per state

One follow up thought to the new Washington Post/ABC News poll. If you remember, three weeks ago the Washington Post created a stir with its last survey, citing a nine-point drop for Rudy Giuliani as evidence that he was suffering a "dramatic erosion in his support."

At the time, John pointed out what an overly dramatic assertion this was given the rest of the available polling data.

So now that Giuliani has bounced back 6 points in its new survey to 34%, is the Post reporting a "dramatic resurgence of support" for Rudy? Well, not quite:

Other notables for the Dems: Clinton beats Obama across the board in every additional measurement taken in this poll, including a couple of results that look questionable. For example, Clinton beats Obama by 22 points (42-20) on the question of who will be "best able to reduce the partisanship in Washington." She also beats him by 4 points (41-37) when respondents were asked who they think is "the most inspiring." Lastly, among the 50% of adults who said a "new idirection and new ideas" were more important to them in a presidential candidate than "strength and experience", Clinton beat Obama by 14 points, 45 to 31.

http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/

I will concede that perception is everything and they have down a good job.  Think about it the latter half of Sept.  was all Clinton all time on the TV...more surprising would have been iof they had not spiked.  That being said it is time for the other candidates to make their play or perish...just my thoughts.

In case you wonder who I support ...its not Hillary.  I could not take that voice in my home for 4 years.  Sorry if it sounds sexist but it is true.  She maybe smart but I fundamentally don't like her.  As for the others I could support any of the other top 4 except maybe Richardson

She leads among men and women;

"In the new poll, Clinton has gained among both women and men. She leads Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination by 22 percentage points among men, and by 42 points among women. Fully 57 percent of women said they would support Clinton in a primary, compared with 15 percent for Obama and 13 percent for Edwards."

The argument that independents will flock to the other side is losing credibility too...

"Since early September, Clinton has picked up support both among Democrats (up 9 percentage points) and independents who lean toward Democrats (up 16 points). For the FIRST TIME, a majority of married women, 56 percent, back Clinton. There is little difference between people who are tracking the campaign closely and those who are paying scant attention: Majorities in both groups said they would vote for Clinton if the election were held today."

The argument that her lead is partly due to people not paying attention to politics so early is losing credibility too...

Van
Dave- <<Fake outrage and bitching out of democrats the last 7 years as all been one big sad lie.....SAY WHAT? You been living under what rock? What does the the Shrub and the ass kissing, toe tapping, lying Republicans have to do to you personally that they have done to millions of Americans. What do you think the 06 elections was about?DUH! accountability, real check and balances, tax cuts for everyone (not the measly $ 300 bucks I got 6 years ago and LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES about Iraq from Republicans who care only about party loyalty.  
She leads among white and non-white voters...

"Clinton also has a wide lead among whites, besting both Obama and Edwards by a 3 to 1 ratio. She has a narrower edge among African Americans: 51 percent support Clinton, compared with 38 percent for Obama.

Whether she can continue to consolidate support will be the test over the next three months, as the contenders head into the first primary contests in early January. The poll indicates that, at least right now, she is well positioned to do so."

Some will again try to compare her to Howard Dean in 2004. Dean's lead was large, but he was relatively unknown, and his support was soft. Clinton is not Howard Dean;

"Clinton's backers remain firmly behind her candidacy. Sixty-one percent of those who said they would vote for her support her "strongly." In another sign that Clinton has neutralized skepticism of her acceptability as a candidate, about three-quarters ranked her as a first or second choice. Half rate Obama in the top two; a third do so of Edwards."

Her support is strong. She is either the first or second choice of two-thirds of those polled.


Van
I agree with you whining Obamaphiles that the ABC News/WashPost poll, standing alone, wouldn't mean much.  But the fact that it mirrors virtually every other poll taken, at least insofar as it indicates a building trend towards Sen. Clinton, would be viewed by any statistician worth his or her salt as significant.  Of course, I guess its possible that the statisticians, along with the poll takers,the media, and prominent black politicians like Ron Dellums, are part of the world wide conspiracy to deny Saint Barack his rightful place on the throne.  I mean, anything's possible.
Clintons again set America up. The have such a track record to be involved with scandal at every turn. She A DUMB puppet behind his coat tail. Nothing is realy new, your being duped by both of these professional liars, their self serving agenda. Promises which hold no water. A professional Washington Paper Hanger, How do you spell Perverted?  made a mockey of the Oval Office, Total contempt of law, deception, both master liars.

America has been driven to the gutter. It has been a long time sense common sense and leadership was sent to Washington.

"After Clinton outraised Obama in the third quarter, her advisers worked to maximize the news. The campaign stayed silent on Monday as Obama announced his $19 million fundraising total, then released its total yesterday morning, just as Obama was poised to begin a major speech about the war in Iraq."

Taking the news cycle away from him in yet another example of what an experienced, professional, disciplined campaign is supposed to do...

"For the first time since Clinton launched her campaign in January, her financial success appears to have turned much more directly on the support of SMALL DONORS -- a domain that Obama and, to a lesser extent, Edwards had dominated in the first six months of the year. Clinton reported receiving money from 100,000 new donors this quarter -- double the number she recruited during the first three months of the campaign."

And more than anyone else this quarter. Howard Dean and Joe Trippi, "invented", the netroots, small event, small donor strategy, Obama improved on it, now Clinton will perfect it.


Van
1) I trust no financial numbers from Clinton given her history of taking money from anyone with an extra dollar in their pocket, even if they're wanted criminals.

2) I wish that this site would stop already crowning her as the Democratic nominee. There hasn't been one ballot cast anywhere in the country.

3) The sample size of this poll is so small as to be negligible. It also isn't of likely voters or even just Democrats. I think as we go forward, the thinking will emerge that, by next year, we'll have hit the 20 year mark of either a Bush or a Clinton being in office. While the 8 years of Clinton were markedly better than the 12 by anyone with the last name Bush, we're at a point where something different is drastically needed. At least I hope people pull their heads out of their rectums long enough to realize this.
Simply put we Americans were hell of alot better off economically, socially, and geopolitically during Clinton's term than the Shrub. Maybe that is why an increasing number of people are ignoring the fear mongering right.....It does not work anymore! Hillery will be our next president. Get over it. You Theocrats, Oligarcy, neo-cons, rednecks, rascists, homophobes, military industrial complex and right ring noise machine had your chances and YOU BLEW IT!
Jerry, I would be made at you if you weren't telling the truth; but, I must say your read on the Left-wing of my Party is right on.
So while Shadow doesn't, "support", any candidate, they are clearly NOT supporting one in particular. It's okay to be anti-Clinton, but at least toss off that threadbare cape of impartiality you claim.

Van
I've only met one person that backs Hillary in the real world and I tore her to shreds in the debate.

Sort of the way her debates are going to go when she debates the GOP nominee.

Hey Van:

How much is Clinton paying you for all these posts? Or is she paying you like Monica did Bill?
Edwards must continue his frontal attacks on Clinton to have a chance to win the nomination.  If he and Obama pound away at her this Fall she will wither.  The cackle is the first small crack in the dike of her inevitability.  

Watch the "cackle-ometer" closely.  She is staring to break face.  The mask will be down this Winter and Edwards, who is one tough trial lawyer, will make the case to voters that, on the Democratic side, he is best suited to stare down our enemies and forge pragmatic alliances with our friends.
Jerry;

That's one more person supporting her than I've met. Everyone I know that is a Democrat anyway, is supporting Obama.
Juan:  must have been all those fortune cookies Bill rad back in the 90's.

If that's the best your left wing side of the party can do, you guys are in for a long year in 2008.

Attacking Rush was probably the worst thing you could have done.  He exposed Tom Harkin as a liar and if he any ambition of running for President, he crashed his chances yesterday and exposed himself as a moron and a liar.  

I'm still waiting for him to regale us about his exploits flying over North Vietnam.
"First Read...who are you trying to fool with the polling garbage.  It's irresponsible to project Hillary's inevitability with  sample size of 592 democratic voters.

Ashe, SF CA (Sent Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:48 AM)"

"The Post-ABC poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 27 to 30, among a national random sample of 1,114 adults, including interviews with 592 self-identified Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. The margin of sampling error for the Democratic sample is plus or minus four percentage points.

Polling analyst Jennifer Agiesta and staff writer Matthew Mosk contributed to this report."

It's a poll, and it says what it says.  The sample size is average for this kind of poll.
How you react to stuff like this is based on who you support. Blaming the poll and attacking the pollsters, the sample size, the methodology etc., is becoming old and reeks of the stench of sour grapes.

Those who shoot at the polls are always quick to cite  ones that favor their candidate, despite their criticisms.

Van
.........."Is there a different standard for women or do women need this advantage to overcome their ineptness?
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:54 AM)..............."

There ya' have it folks! The G.O.P.'s agenda for Woman's rights in 2008!
Thank you jerry for CONFIRMING what we've always known.
dream on Jerry your obsessive hate of Hillery is pretty scary as well as is your rapture and love of the shrub.
I wouldn't mind being paid like Bill did.....
Monica had a nice smile.....
but I always had a thing for brunettes anyway.

The question is Van, did ABC stay in New York state and get the polling or did Media matters, founded by Hillary Clinton, give them the numbers?

It isn't that I don't support or read the polls, but I question their truthfulness when they tell me that one person is leading by such a huge margin and not a single person I discuss political matters with (and they're people from all walks of life and registered as Democrats, Republicans, and Independents) says they either support Hillary Clinton or see her being able to win the Presidency is the Democrats are f---ing stupid enough to give her the nomination.
well, the gopee-ers here and the obamaites are throwing a fit for a poll being reported.

Yet the same gopee-ers were touting polls when bush's ratings were up after 911, and the obamaites were thrilled with the polls when it looked like obama might catch Clinton.

seems like gopee-ers and obamaites are cut from the same cloth
Van, now i know you're so ridiculous. How could you fall for the polls. Majority of people that were polls don't even understand what the issues are. Until ABC release what questions where asked in the poll i don't buy it for a seconds

If you're that confident with this poll, how about betting all your money on Clinton? If you can do that i'll support your candidate if she win the nomination.

To tell you how ridiculous this poll is; Clinton rank highest as the most inspired person. Do you really buy that? She is very inspiring...lol...Keep telling us what the polls are.
"Hey Van:

How much is Clinton paying you for all these posts? Or is she paying you like Monica did Bill?

Mike K, Denver (Sent Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:27 AM)"


I hope that your, "retort", has made you feel clever, and that you feel better soon.

Clinton supporters are becoming impervious to attacks by those with nothing but invective and insult in their quiver. You have your anger and insults, we have the next President of the United States. It's a fair bargain and I accept it.

I wouldn't mind getting paid, but I do what I do out of support for senator Clinton.

Van
So Hillary is ahead in a poll of Democrats.  It won't be Democrats or Republicans who elect the next President; it will be Independents.  Hillary does not fare so well with us.  I actually believe she does worse among Independents than Obama or Edwards.  Her negative ratings are higher than Rush Limbaugh's at a femi-Nazi convention (Van, please do not try to a statistic to match the simile).  Hillary may win but she'll drag down the party ticket and allow more gridlock in Washington.
The republican who's all over every democratic post here is strangely absent from most of the republican ones.
Is it that it's so much easier to criticize others than it is to shine a light into their own wormy little can, or is it just that your party is so corrupt and devoid of honor that even you are ashamed to be associated with your fellow members of the party of Mark Foley, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, and (drumroll please!) LARRY CRAIG!

Why don't you go and help get your party in order for the big defeat in 2008? Is it that they don't want you either?

Van
"Van, now i know you're so ridiculous...
...To tell you how ridiculous this poll is..."
Bee (Sent Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:42 AM)

Congratulations on being able to spell,"ridiculous", correctly two times in a row.

Van
Mike Murphy: 'National polls are meaningless until AFTER IOWA'

The hyped up polls are meaningless, because nobody's paying attention to the election, now.

The only people paying real attention to the election (besides political junkies) are in Iowa, New Hampshire (and to a lesser extent South Carolina and Nevada).

Let's look at thos polls.....
I think they'll show a different story.

As the primaries approach, Democrats will start to realize that Bill Clinton NEVER RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF VOTES IN HIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS!!

Bill won with a plurality of votes in '92 and '96 because Ross Perot was in both races.
He couldn't get to 50% !

Bill's crooked wife ISN'T GOING TO GET A MAJORITY OF VOTES IN 2008 !!

When Democrats realize that, they'll vote for an electable candidate !!

Sorry, Clinton cultists..... you'll have to wait for Bobo Clinton, Hillary's illegimate son with Dick Cheney !!
well Van I could bring up Jack Abramoff and his relationship with Senate majority leader Harry Reid, but I think that old fool made a total fool out of himself yesterday going after Rush.

I support everything my side is doing.....

Are you really looking at the poll numbers or were they supplied to you by media matters/founded by Hillary Clinton?
"So Hillary is ahead in a poll of Democrats.  It won't be Democrats or Republicans who elect the next President; it will be Independents.  Hillary does not fare so well with us."
Robert Catalano, Salem, OR (Sent Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:46 AM)


You're not an independent, you're another anti-Clintonite posing as an Independent, Robert.

Why do you think you speak more for independents than this poll, which you have perhaps failed to read prior to commenting? While this is an opinion blog, the poll represents the opinions of many, rather than the pronouncements of one person.

The argument that independents will flock to the other side is losing credibility too...

"Since early September, Clinton has picked up support both among Democrats (up 9 percentage points) and INDEPENDENTS who lean toward Democrats (up 16 points). For the FIRST TIME, a majority of married women, 56 percent, back Clinton. There is little difference between people who are tracking the campaign closely and those who are paying scant attention: Majorities in both groups said they would vote for Clinton if the election were held today."


Van
jerry- I guess you must be confused about who the moron and lier is....The Shrub's response to Australia's Prime minister...thanks for sending the Austrian troops and this is my favorite..."Is are children learning"  Finally, since us liberals(socialists); as you say; are to blame for all of our problems throughout our history I suggest you forgo medicare and social security. If you are not 65 yet and independently wlthy you may need to get off your ass and work at publix to supplement your income. Thankfully, your Shrub failed to privitize social security but he did squander our surplus that was left for us. Now we are in debt to Japan and China.....Maybe Hillery and Bill can use their so-called influence to reduce it?
I like how you make it sound like Iowa City has one gym.  That's funny.  
Van,

I guess this is an English class. You are so full of crap. Let me educate you for a second, in politics polls are meaningless until the final 2 weeks of the election. What matter most is the ground organization of each candidate.

After looking at the charts presented by ABC News, i realized they used the candidates' last name rather than their full name for the whole survey. This alone tells me that people choose Clinton because of the name recognition. Bill Clinton is the most popular politician of this time and that name rings bell when pollster ask question regarding the name "Clinton".

However, if her full name was used in the survey, the result will be different. Even the dummest of the dummy knows the name Clinton. But when you spell out the whole name "Hillary R. Clinton" the polls number will be different.

Thus, i'll sugest you stop touting polls because they are meaningless.
COME ON HILLARY "the cackler". The Repubs want you!!!! MoveOn will not save that broad ass of yours when the general election comes and MSNBC will be left holding the bag of LIES LMAO
Dave, Jerry ,Straight and Ms. Bee...HAW HAW!!Losers!!
jerry, it is not too late to throw your hat into the ring.  With Alan Keyes now in the race you would appear reasonable in comparison. You could really shake things up especially when you turn your guns on Rudy, Mitt & Fred. Go jerry!
I am a student of statistics and i can tell you one thing, polls result are what the pollster want it to be. The result depends on the manner of asking the questions.

I have listen to the candidates and i can tell you this, the most inspiring is Ibama and Edward. How come Clinton score highest in the most inspiring category? The simple answer is this; either the folks answering the question didn't have a knowledge of Obama and Edward or they took Bill clinton as Hillary Clinton.

Bottom line, the name Clinton is the defacto name for the democrats. As the electiondraw closer, the real people will start paying attention.
Hey Jaun if I'm such a freaking racist why do I want every kid no matter what color they are to have government money attached to them so they can pick the school they want? You Stupid Uncle Tom Socialist Race baiting Lackie


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