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Oh-eight (R): 'Irascible' and 'unfiltered'

Posted: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:23 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Anyone else surprised that not ONE of the four leading candidates decided to break with President Bush on the SCHIP issue? "As for the children’s insurance veto, the candidates, in aligning with Mr. Bush, are mindful of the concerns of fiscal conservatives that expanding the program could result in huge future costs. Unlike with Iraq or Hurricane Katrina, Mr. Bush’s

capacity to be a drag on the candidates’ fortunes is smaller on the insurance veto, Republican analysts say, because the veto is not especially unpopular with Republican primary voters. They are the current target audience for the candidates, according to their campaign advisers, so the electoral gamble of supporting the veto -- if not Mr. Bush -- is relatively modest at this point." 
 
By the way, be sure to read David Brooks today about what's wrong with the conservative movement. It's a storyline that will be weaved in and out of this election cycle regularly since the GOP does seem to be in the midst of a major identity crisis. 
 
GIULIANI: More hand-wringing from religious conservatives about Giuliani in today's Wash. Times. So what is the goal of Christian conservative leaders? Stop Giuliani in the primary? Get Giuliani to suck up to them by promising them major input on the running mate? Or defeating Giuliani in the general so that they win the 2009 ideological fight when the blame game begins if they lose the president? Is the big fear for these folks a Giuliani victory because it will ideologically change the power structure of the party for the future?
 
Are any of the above outcomes a good thing for the party long term? Depends where you sit ideologically. 
 
The interesting thing about Giuliani is that so much of what he's said over the years is available via audio or visual recordings. Nothing is simply a quote in print. The New York Times goes through all of Giuliani's WABC radio show archives and finds some interesting quotes. "Giuliani the Presidential Candidate is a pasteurized fellow who favors smiles and reasoned talk and self-deprecating humor (not to mention unexpected cellphone calls from his wife). One can trail him for weeks without monitoring a temperamental eruption.
 
“But to listen to a Giuliani sampler -- 55 taped hours of his old radio program, which ran from 1994 to 2001 -- is to hear the uncensored and unbowed Mr. Giuliani, an irascible figure familiar to millions of New Yorkers. He grooved on his unfiltered roar." 
 
HUCKABEE: On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Huckabee called in and was asked about his fund raising. He’s only raised about $1 million this quarter, according to estimates, far less than so-called top-tier Republicans and even Ron Paul. He said the question he asks is, “Do we have enough money to put our tires on the track? And the answer is yes.” But he acknowledged that his campaign will need to have enough money for advertising by December.
 
On whether or not he’d be interested in being someone’s VP choice, he gave a veiled Marion Jones analogy. “It’s like being an Olympic athlete,” Huckabee said, “even the ones that aren’t doped up, shoot for the gold. I never heard of someone who’s goal was to be a silver medalist.
 
MCCAIN: In the National Review, McCain receives the ringing endorsement of George P. Shultz, Henry A. Kissinger, Alexander M. Haig Jr., Lawrence S. Eagleburger, James R. Schlesinger, John F. Lehman Jr., R. James Woolsey Jr. and Robert C. McFarlane.
 
“Never before has there been such a premium on experience and proven leadership. For that reason and in sober consideration of what in our judgment it takes to govern the United States: the ability to parse problems correctly, to bring sound analysis to bear, to define viable strategies, to integrate resources, engage allies, and move decisively to lead our country to viable lasting solutions, we have concluded that Senator John McCain is the most qualified candidate to become our next president. We strongly endorse the candidacy of Senator McCain and as a matter of deep personal conviction, call upon all Americans to join us in that judgment.”
 
McCain certainly hasn’t lost his sense of humor: From the Boston Globe: “The Republican hopeful said that as president he would appoint Alan Greenspan to lead a review of the nation's tax code -- even if the former Federal Reserve chairman, now 81, was dead, the Associated Press reported. 
 
“ ‘If he's alive or dead it doesn't matter. If he's dead, just prop him up and put some dark glasses on him like, like 'Weekend at Bernie's,’” McCain joked. “Let's get the best minds in America together and fix this tax code.” 
 
ROMNEY: NBC/NJ’s Erin McPike reports Giuliani isn't the only Republican facing vocal opposition from a bloc within his party's own big tent in James Dobson; the Log Cabin Republicans have begun circulating a 30-second ad challenging Mitt Romney's claim to conservatism. Don’t miss that Romney's stepping up his efforts to woo Dobson to his camp. According to the campaign, Dobson hasn't ruled out support Romney. But in the past, Dobson has said he thinks many folks in the Christian conservative community would have a hard time supporting a Mormon.
 
According to the group's release yesterday, Fox News will run the spot nationwide, and it will have "an additional concentration in Iowa." The ad touched off another back-and-forth for the Romney campaign on Thursday. After the campaign sparred with the Giuliani campaign on fiscal issues throughout the day, Romney spokesman Kevin Madden responded to the Log Cabin Republicans' attack twice -- the second time saying it "was launched and paid for by a group recognized as having Mayor Giuliani as their ‘favorite’ candidate," according to the New York Times
 
While the organization represents primarily the interests of gay and lesbian Republicans, that's not what the ad addresses. Rather, it calls Romney out as a flip-flopper, using footage from his 1994 Senate debate with Ted Kennedy to show his previous support for abortion rights. It features him denying a desire to "return to Reagan-Bush" and concludes with the tag line, "a record fighting the religious right …a pro-choice record… Massachusetts values…Mitt Romney."
 
THOMPSON: The Nashville Tennessean looks at Thompson's relative lack of support over the years for some of the key issues Christian conservatives care about. But, "As long as Thompson lines up with enough of their issues and as long as he's still flying high in the polls, they're willing -- for the moment -- to overlook his lack of regular church attendance and his missteps on the campaign trail."

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David Brooks is a tool. Now he's trying to tell us "real" conservatives understand the sociological basis for change, that bringing democracy to Iraq didn't work because it was not an organic process. Can you imagine how he would ridicule liberals if these used the "sociological" argument? Where were these true "conservative" voices when the war was proposed? If you re-read Brooks' own columns from 2002 you won't find that true "conservative" argument made. When liberals argued that invading Iraq would result in chaos we were called wussies and defeatocrats. Brooks is such hypocrite. Why don't you link to Eric Alterman, First Read? If you want honesty and facts in a pundit, you have to read him.
Scumbag!
No Ron Paul coverage???

Admittedly, these little nuggets of info about the media anointed "Top-Tier" jokesters (and Mike Huckabee) was enthralling, but for crying out loud, it's no secret that Ron Paul has the biggest following of all.

Throw the guy a bone MSNBC!
Scumbag! Scumbags one and all of the above!
The SCHIP program should not be a problem for fiscal conservatives because the bill includes a funding mechanism through the 61 cent per pack increase in the cigarette tax.  How many Republican giveaways in the last 7 years have had a funding mechanism (that does not include funding programs by making our children long term debtors to China)?  

If the concern is that the smoking rate will decrease and therefore the revenue to pay for SCHIP will defuse, -  the money spent on health care for tobacco related diseases will also decrease, more than making up for the loss of any future revenue.  Raising the tax rate on cigarettes helps people decide to quit and discourages kids from starting in the first place.  That leads to more health benefits and less health costs.
Come on fiscal conservatives, you never worried about where the money was coming from when you were voting for "bridges to nowhere", how about voting for a funded program to help children be healthy (and save money in the long term on health costs)
What do we want?

Free Stuff!!

When do we want it?

NOOOWWW!!


Free stuff!! Free stuff!!!  We want free stuff!!
bush"THE CHILD ABUSER" and his fellow CHILD ABUSERS should all be impeached and tried and thrown in jail for CHILD ABUSE for allowing sick and needy kids to suffer.
bush"THE CHILD ABUSER" and his fellow CHILD ABUSERS should all be impeached and tried and thrown in jail for CHILD ABUSE for allowing sick and needy kids to suffer.
Be fair Enlightened One - they do mention ROn Paul today: in the Hucka bee section it says Huck raised "far less than so-called top-tier Republicans and even Ron Paul."  OK, OK so the COngressman from TX with growing support is just a punch line and a negative measuring stick for Huck.  But they do mention him.  The more he flies under the radar the more surprise there will be on caucus day.  
Deciding that this is the time to practice some "fiscal conservatism" is like a male prostitute that trolls in airport men's rooms only smoking filtered cigarettes because he's worried about his health.

Where else can you find male prostitutes?.....h'mmmmmm
If the cost of living in Washington DC and states like California is so high that SCHIPS needs to be at 400% of poverty, then those states need to make up the balance. SCHIPS should be at about 200% poverty as was intended, for the low income people. But the SCHIPS budget should not be set around the high cost of living areas, those areas should find solutions to make up the difference.
Ron Paul is simply better than those clowns discussed in this lame and irrelevent article. But the GOP is throwing the election so as to stick us with Hillary. Their doing it by pushing Big Goverment liberals like Rudy and Romney, which they hope will marginalize the influence conservative voters in the upcoming election. Such unbelievable hypocracy. But this is hope, however fleeting...Dr. Ron Paul in 2008.
It's amazing to me that Huckabee is still a factor in this race, given that he has extremely limited resources.  Romney has raised 30 times as much money, yet he's barely ahead of Huckabee in the polls.  Just remember, the national polls essentially  mean nothing, since we have a primary process.  It's still a very real possibility that Huckabee could win Iowa, and he's polling well in NH and SC.  Romney's also doing well in Iowa and NH.  If a candidate were to win both of those states right off the bat, there will be no stopping him.  And you'll truly see how useless national polls are.  
Um...  These are your front runners?  I guess I can understand Giulani and Romney.  But seriously...  Huckabee and McCain are DONE!  Thompson was never in it and still isn't...  Can we please get some fair coverage of Ron Paul?  Now he has the money...  Still...  Nothing !  This is getting Ridiculous guys.
Like so many have observed, they're all Bush clones.  There's no difference with this latest crowd of pretenders to the throne.  Their policies are  Bush policies wrapped in a different suit and wearing (sometimes) a different tie.  They yammer on about the woes of Washington but they want nothing more than to preserve the stale satus quo.  No vision whatsoever.
Yep, an identity crisis for sure: they have been promoting themselves as the party of family values and fiscal conservatism while they have run up the largest budget deficits in the history of the US (after inheriting a surplus) and have had scandals in bathrooms, congressional cloakrooms and deal-making backrooms of militray contractors.  The party of small and open government has also become the party of secrecy and huge government oversight of its citizens' personal information.  Also, they are trying to claim they are the party of the future while they are canonizing dead guys (Reagan, Goldwater, Jesus).
Mr. Brooks makes an excellent point.  We are constantly barraged by the Neocons about the 'Traditions' of America. It is their bedrock. The Christian Foundations (Ignoring the treatment of Native Americans), Capitalism and Capitolism, Pilgrims Progress, Norman Rockwell, etc. Yet, in Iraq and elsewhere in the world, they expect those Societies to what, dump a thousand years of their Traditions and start erecting statues of Reagan? Talk about a hard-to-swallow fifty pound hot-dog. No wonder this new 'Conservatism' is finally on the rocks.  They insisted everyone believe it, even though they knew it was baloney.  Now that it is being seen for what it is, they are stuck.
Well...HELL HAS FROZEN OVERr!!!! I think I agree with you RH Oregon!
David Brooks is a tool, he'll say Anything, DO anything (well except fight for America) to cover the butts of the GOP.
He's all for the GOP ,no matter what the heck the GOP is.
R Merrell, you beat me to the punch.  The Republican front runners agree with EVERY decision and policy of the Bush administration, so how can they produce different results?
I sometimes wonder if a conflicted brain is a requirement for Republicans. The Log Cabin Repubublicans were formed so that gay and lesbian conservatives could protect their rights and now they spend their effort and money to run an ad to promote denying women their reproductive rights.
nuanced. Since gays and lesbians don't need abortions, they can be against them without the thought that they someday might. Handy, if you're a Neocon gay or lesbian.
You have Huckabee, but not Paul.
Nice.
No conflicted brain in the Democratic party.  If you produce, the Democrats will take it from you and give it to someone that doesn't produce.  Vote buying in the purest sense.  It's simple and easy to understand, just like the Democratic voters.
Well nuanced democrats claim to be for minorities, and poor, but are so beholden to the pedophile teacher's union that they let them deny poor kids an education. Also bussing destroys a sense of community & increases global warming. How do you like that lumping all teachers into a group of pedophiles? Learned that from the liberals here. Not to mention teacher's fear of trail lawyers, and democrats promoting the idea that you to can win the lottery off bogus lawsuits. So much conflicted thinking.
Hey, Republicans have for years been interested in spending billions to kill women and children in Iraq, why would it be a surprise for them to want to watch are own children die without health care?
Nuanced, with that name you should really understand nuance. They aren't trying to deny women their "reproductive rights"; they're trying to deny Mitt Romney the votes of those who think abortion should be a concern of the federal government, because he's also flip=flopped and now opposes gay marriage.
Ah, first the MSM said Ron Paul was a nobody, then there were all the straw poll victories. Of course, the Straw Poll victories didn't matter; even though Straw Polls were the greatest thing since sliced bread apparently, when Huckabee got second place and Romney bought first place. Then Ron Paul had 1,000+ people rallies in all the cities he stopped at, including Salt Lake City. I don't even know if Romney could draw those numbers there. Since he's the only candidate raising decent money and drawing an actual crowd, the GOP is now trying to capitalize off of him by inviting him to the GOP Presidential Trust Dinner with all the other Top Tier Candidates. And as of this week, he's raising as much as many top tier candidates from both parties. Now, most articles are saying "Yeah, but he's still polling low!". Instead of asking why he's raising so much, but polling so low, isn't now time to ask why calling a "sample" of a couple hundred Bush supporters over a landline is no longer a valid polling method? And beyond that, you're still trying to pimp Mike Huckabee over Paul as a potential dark horse because of his straw poll showing, and his "Everyone shutup and honorably be united!" soundbyte from the Sept. 5th debate. Don't you guys in the MSM get it? You've been *wrong* on everything. Why don't you just try and face up to it?
You reprehensibles have no credibility talking about schip or 200/300/400% of poverty levels...for six years you have spent money without paying for it and now on a program 70% of america agrees with you want it trimmed back...where were you when the republcians were spending 10's of billions on war and propping up drug and oil company profits? hmmm rightie? You republcians are real pices of SH*T for putting oil companies over kids
Vote them out!!! Vote them all out!!!!. People who make 80,000 & can't afford healthcare should be offended & they are probably Republicans & their President is right. President Bush is rich & has no concept of what really poor people have to contend with on a daily basis, he has no real empathy with a marginal society. We can spend billions of $ on a war that is going nowhere and healthcare gets vetoed. Stop Bushwacking our country & go home to Texas where you should've stayed.
What if Mike Huckabee ran for Governor of Massachusetts and WON?  Would he have had friendly comments to the feminists and homosexuals who dominate Massachusetts poltics?  You bet he would, or he would not have been elected.

Let's not be too hard on Mitt's flips (no flops).
John McCain, an unbaptized Baptist, had this to say on September 30th: “People are raising … concerns about Mitt Romney’s Mormonism, which some consider to be outside the Judeo-Christian tradition. I believe that the Mormon religion is a religion that I don't share, but I respect. More importantly, I've known so many people of the Mormon faith who have been so magnificent. I think that Governor Romney's religion should not, absolutely not, be a disqualifying factor when people consider his candidacy for President of the United States, absolutely not."
Bruce and Dave, thanks for your responses.  I'll ponder the nuances of your points.
You know, I'd rather us have free stuff than the insurance companies who take our premiums and then don't pay out when it is a legitimate claim. I hate insurance companies.
Yup Jane in Mississippi me too.
People do not BUY insurance they are SOLD insurance.
ONLY the fine print applies. YOU are in bad hands with insurance companies.
There is no such thing as FREE stuff!


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