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Oh-eight (R): In search of the GOP soul

Posted: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:26 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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And what about the future of the GOP? The Washington Times does a preview of sorts of the HBO doc "Mr. Conservative" about Barry Goldwater. It airs in Nov and the report notes it may lead to more soul-searching for the GOP. For now, some conservatives argue that going back to basics is what the GOP needs -- "limited government, free enterprise, a strong military, among other things." 
 
CBN's Brody reports, "Rudy Giuliani has every intention of attending the Family Research Council's Value Voters Summit. An announcement is in the works. The Brody File is told that the hold up is a scheduling matter but Giuliani wants to go and both sides are working on the details.
 
This is significant. The FRC event is scheduled for Friday October 19th and Saturday October 20th. It will be a "who's who" of big time conservatives. Speakers include Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Tony Perkins of FRC, James Dobson of Focus on the Family and yes, with Giuliani likely to now attend, all the Republican Presidential candidates will speak. After the event on Saturday, results of the straw poll will be announced. This will be a very good indication of who religious conservatives will support.
 
The fact that Giuliani would even show up is a good move. Some may say what's the point with critics like Dobson and Perkins in the audience. But the Giuliani camp has never backed down from their assertion that they are going hard after the social conservative vote. Polls show the Mayor leads with weekly Church attendees. Giuliani is clearly not intimidated and will lay out his vision for the country. They may not agree with his pro-choice views (and a few other things too) but if the past is any indication, he'll most likely talk about adoption, making abortion rare, school choice and strict constructionist judges. Oh yeah, and 9/11 too. He won't get the single-issue voters but how many can he pick up with his broader message? 
 
GIULIANI: This being Columbus Day (a HUGE holiday in NYC), the N.Y. Daily News profiles Giuliani, the Italian. One thing that may be news to some -- Giuliani apparently first verbalized his ambition to be president in 1963. Also, "there is some evidence that Giuliani's candidacy has sparked a flicker of pride in (some of) the nation's vast Italian-American community, much like Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has drawn strong support from women and Mitt Romney has stirred Mormons.
 
About 12% of contributions to Giuliani's campaign have come from Italian-Americans, based on a review by The News. That's about double the percentage drawn by Republican rivals John McCain and Romney, and one-third higher than the portion received by Clinton, the review found." 
 
A fascinating new gambit from Giuliani while he was campaigning in Florida over the weekend: NBC-NJ's Matthew Berger reports that Giuliani was looking for disenchanted Florida Democrats to switch parties and vote in the GOP primary since their Dem vote won't count.
 
MCCAIN: The New York Times notes how the candidate’s “Fall From The Top Lands McCain In Comfort Zone.”
 
PAUL:
Ron Paul has an op-ed in the New Hampshire Union Leader today, which responds to a negative editorial he rec'd from one of the nation's leading conservative editorial pages: "A Paul administration would see Americans engaged overseas like never before, in business and cultural activities. But a Paul administration would never attempt to export democracy or other values at the barrel of a gun, as we have seen over and over again that this is a counterproductive approach that actually leads the United States to be resented and more isolated in the world."
 
ROMNEY: Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker makes the case for Christian conservatives to back Romney and that they should overlook the Mormon thing. "Ultimately, Christian leaders (some of whom make off-the-record, supportive calls to Romney, I'm told) most likely will back the Mormon. But their actions meantime have hurt Romney as he tries to close the deal nationally. If they were smarter, they'd embrace Romney as the one who can beat Hillary because he, more than anyone else, unites all wings of the party -- economic, security and social."
 
NBC/NJ's Erin McPike reports, amid two days of intense campaigning in the Granite State on Thursday and Saturday, Romney’s campaign dropped its first piece of direct mail there over the weekend, and the focus was his commitment to fiscal conservatism. Saturday’s mailer in the state that carries the motto “Live Free or Die” followed a radio ad the campaign debuted on Friday touting Romney’s vow to roll back taxes. And Friday’s ad was sandwiched between a volley between the Romney and Giuliani camps over their respective economic records – all ahead of this Tuesday’s economy-focused CNBC/Wall Street Journal debate.
 
Per the Union-Leader Romney also went to "swanky country clubs in New Castle and Bedford to snowmobile races in a cow pasture in Fremont."
 
Is this a preview of Romney’s Kennedy-esque speech on being Mormon? Portsmouth Herald: He was asked about his religion. Romney, to reporters: "I'm not a spokesman for my faith. My church has the responsibility to talk about the doctrine of the church."
 
The Nashua Telegraph’s Landrigan wonders if Romney’s support is soft in New Hampshire: "It's appropriate to wonder if Romney's $3 million TV advertising campaign in New Hampshire has generated a good return on investment, with Giuliani and John McCain drawing ever closer in recent polls. Romney consultant Rich Killion said if given the chance, they would do it the same way, as the ads made Romney a better-known and more popular commodity."
 
THOMPSON: The New York Times previews Fred Thompson's potential as a debater. He really hasn't debated since 1994. "A look at some of Mr. Thompson’s debates years ago offers a mixed picture, with the candidate mostly projecting calm and confidence against" his '94 Dem foe, Jim Cooper.
 
"Mr. Thompson’s delivery back then was usually smooth and expressionless, not a monotone but not displaying much charisma, either. He sounded articulate, speaking in full, well-rounded sentences, but stopped short of eloquence. Even when he was on the attack, or firing back at a rough question, he rarely lost his cool."
 
The most interesting thing about Thompson's debate prep for tomorrow? Ex-GOP Sen. Al D'Amato has been playing Giuliani
 
The WSJ reports Thompson plans to release an economic plan that "seems likely to go further than his rivals. He has hinted at politically risky proposals to rein in Social Security and Medicare benefits. And he appears to be heading toward proposing tax-code changes to help lower corporate tax rates, as well.
 
But Mr. Thompson may have trouble balancing his pitch to small-government purists with his quest for popular support in the competitive early-voting states. Even as he decried what he described as Washington's dependence on pork-barrel spending last week, he reversed position after touring an Iowa ethanol plant, saying he now supports subsidies for alternative fuel."
 
As for taxes, here's what Thompson said last week: "We are only one of two nations that hasn't reduced its corporate tax rate since 1994. It should be reduced to at least 28% in this country."
 
Mr. Thompson's aides outline a change to the tax code that would move away from taxing income or profits and shift toward a system that would reduce taxes on exports when they cross the border and impose them on imports when they enter the country. Under international rules, the European value-added tax, a kind of sales tax, is waived for exports, but those rules block the U.S. from reducing corporate-profit taxes for exporters.
 
AmSpec's Jennifer Rubin seems to be impressed with the "SNL" spoof on Thompson.

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Those GOP speakers are as close in thinking to Barry Goldwater, as Joseph Stalin was to Santa Claus.
Those GOP speakers are as close in thinking to Barry Goldwater, as Joseph Stalin was to Santa Claus.
Steve:

I can say the same thing about Hillary,her and Imelda Marcos are just about the same.

The Florida democrats won't have their voted counted by democrats?  Time to come to the GOP people!  Susan in Miami can talk about her girl Hillary all she wants to, but her vote won't be counted by her own party LOL.
If Dobson is looking for a "values" candidate, he is like Diogenes looking for an honest man.  We have had 7 years of "Christian", "born-again", conservative (?) so-called leadership in this country and it doesn't look good.

A poster on another site said the mantra of this administration should be "WWSD" - what would satan do?
The GOP HAVE NO SOUL
Dick Morris is a well known foot aficionado, maybe HE can find (and then lick) the republican sole.
A long time ago, the GOP sold their soul to the worship of wealth.
Ron Paul is the ideal conidate. Folks, please read the Constitution and Bill of Rights!
gop sold their soul to the devil.
It's time for the masters (the People) to take control of their servants (the Government) by electing the next Lincoln (Ron Paul).
Guess everybody should be reminded that She-Devil is running for president of the united states on the democratic ticket.
There must be something funky in the water in Corpus Christi...
Juan, Why are you still here. Don't you want to go back to your master Fidel? That's right you were one of the cubans who touched American Soil and instead of being deported were allowed to stay..What a screwed up country we have here, where they allow Illegals to come in by the millions at the taxpayers expense.
Utahreb, Veyo, UT, We have had seven years of Christian Born Again Leadership but NOT conservatism. The fool called Bush and the other Republican Congress members had not kept to any conservative Values and that is why we voted so many of them out of office. Contrary to what you might believe, Iraq was not the biggest reason for the past election results. We believe that both parties have been hijacked by the Liberal and Religious extremists.
Even jerry has no defense of the Republican candidates, only smears of the Democrats.  I don't think the conservatives have "lost their soul" as much as they never were a cohesive philosopy.  Small government conservatives, big business conservatives, isolationist conservatives, free trade conservatives, anti-immigrant conservatives, social conservatives, theocrats, neoconservatives, and libertarians have built in conflicts at every point, but they have banded together in search of power.  Once they attained control of all 3 branches of government each of the subgroups insisted that their concerns be addressed first and the whole thing feel apart.
WHY in the name of all things logical is Fred Thompson running for president...?
On Law & Order he got his butt handed to him every week by his own employee.
He lost every arguement or discussion he ever had on that show to his own staff.
So let's hear it people.... It's time for a grassroots movement to elect the REAL qualified actor from a Dick Wolf produced crime drama.....

   ELECT SAM WATERSTON 2008!!!
Less Fred Thompson, more Ron Paul please
Stephen P- You are a an unmitigated rascists moron who has the audacity to tell me to go back to Cuba when I legally immigrated here 47 yrs ago. YOU AND OTHERS WHO THINK LIKE THAT ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY. This country was made great by Italians, Poles, Germans, Russians, Eastern Europeans etc who IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY.  I taught History and have a Master's degree so I suggest you seek help for your idiotic, ignorant and hate mongering ways just like the majority of your party. Hispanics are the fastest growing minorities and will be the majority with this decade. So found yourself a rock to live under, drink yourself to oblivian, beat up your girlfriend/wife and get a life.
Steven P, Phoenix..., your insult directed toward Juan is an insult to all Americans, regardless of heritage.  
Jerry/corpuschristi: your voice is the sound of desparation, its truly music to my ears. Lets all dance on the grave of neo(theo)conservatism! I'm all for Edwards or Obama, but lets face it, a cocker spaniel would beat any of the rethugnicans in a landslide.

StevenP: The reason your party lost isnt due to its lack of conservatism. Its that it racist undertones have come to the surface for all to see. You dont know Juan or where he was born. If he did come here from Cuba, I welcome him. Immigrants go through great risks to come here. You and I didn't. We were just lucky enough to be born here, and idiots like you want to prevent others from participating in the greatest experiment in self-governance ever. Enjoy the political wilderness. A reincarnated Goldwater isn't going to come and save you now.
Juan,
In no way do I condone the ridiculous comments made by Stephen P; however, on more than one occasion, today included, you have also made incredibly demeaning and racist comments as well.  Although your form of reversed discrimination is not quite as taboo as it is when a "white" person is being accused of racism, it will be interesting to see if that changes when Hispanics become the majority.  Maybe then, and only then, will you be able to see that racism comes in all colors, and it is NEVER acceptable, even if it is a minority spewing the hatred.
I'm a Bush and GOP hater who is nevertheless switching my voter registration from independent to Republican, so I can vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. He's the only honest one out there....
Careful Fairy from Corpus. Steve from AZ is out nut-jobbing you!

Ron Paul! Oh please.
Terry Robbins - I was a democrat - I'm doing the same thing. I'm sick of these status quo parasites.
Freedom is Popular!

That is why Ron Paul has a real chance.  I agree that if Dobson is looking for an honest man, he should pick Ron Paul.

BTW, Please don't compare Ron Paul to Lincoln!  God help us if our next president turns out to be "another Lincoln".  Lincoln was so divisive a choice for president that we ended up with a War Between the States and over 618,000 Americans dead.  Ron Paul is bringing people together around a message of Freedom and Liberty!
Terry Robbins - I was a democrat - I'm doing the same thing. I'm sick of these status quo parasites.
Steven P, Phoenix..., your insult directed toward Juan is an insult to all Americans, regardless of heritage.  

RR, Orlando (Sent Monday, October 08, 2007 11:54 AM)


I second that emotion.

mr jinx and miss lucy, they jumped in the lake i'm not that eager to make a mistake
THATS RIGHT - PLEASE OH PLEASE RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT! SAVE OUR NATION.  GOOGLE RON PAUL, THE MANS THE MAN... OH PLEASE...
I find reports that Rudi Gulliani is surrounding himself with neo-conservative advisers quite disturbing.  Any thought in my mind of voting for Mr. Guliani for president is now gone.
all the have's will be voting for rudy or hillary, all the have not's best vote for someone else
Well well I finally got a response out of you dolts.
It is really funny that time after time, week after week all Juan says is GOP bad which is fine but I get sick of having Conservatives compared with the GOP since it is obvious the GOP no longer represents conservatives, they represnt the Religious right extremists. I thought since Juan was in Florida pulling out the Cuban race card might actually get a
response..Good for you all. Pat yourselfs on the back. There is hope for the country after all. Sometimes you need to say outragous things to see the response of people. Sorry Juan, hope I didn't hurt you feelings.
LOL Mike Henry:

Rudy is surrounding himself with neoconservatives...
Hillary is surrounding herself with criminals......

What a country!
members of the Goldwater family have endorsed Ron Paul
Ron Paul is the soul of the GOP. Rediscover it! First there was Barry Goldwater. Then there was Ronald Reagan. Now there's Ron Paul.
To my fellow Texan Jerry,

  Might want to re-evaluate the Senator Hillary Clinton - Imelda Marcos comparison.  After all, the Marcos family was strongly supported by none other than one President Ronald Reagan.


"I find reports that Rudi Gulliani is surrounding himself with neo-conservative advisers quite disturbing."  

Rudy would be comfortable with Himmler and Goebbels. You have every reason to be alarmed.
Jessie - I am so in agreement with you.  jerry is desperate-sounding to the point it makes me smile.  Everything out of his mouth is a bash.

It is individuals like jerry with their ad homonym manner who have ruined the GOP.  The GOP was once a proud and ethically-grounded entity.  However, all that has come from them during the past decade are verbal attacks to deflect attention and mismanagement of the country via nil oversight.

The writing is on the wall - going to be a few rough years for Rs.
Ron Paul is pretty fringe. While I agree with him that we need to withdraw form Iraq, lets see what else he favors.

Home-schooling. That's right, the same public school system that used to be the envy of the world. Let's just disolve the tax base that pays for this by giving a tax break to homeschoolers. How qualified to these folks need to be? How soon until 'intelligent design' is considered science and evolution is 'just a theory' (like gravity, ya know)

Eliminate the capital gains tax. You know, that money investors make of the sweat of other people? Allegedly, the money these businesses (and uber-wealthy venture capitalists) save will increase jobs for us workin Joes! Its called Trickle Down Economics. It didn't work 25yrs ago, it won't work now.

Health Care. Where is his plan to include 47 MILLION people who are completely uninsured? What about the millions more who are underinsured? Or should people be continued to be murdered by spreadsheet? Sorry Timmy, no life-saving surgery for you, your parents dont have insurance. Maybe they should have worked harder.

Kucinch is just as honest as Ron Paul and they both have just as much chance of winning. I do regret money is as necessary for electoral success and the campaign system needs major overhaul. But both of these candidacies are DOA.
In 1964, when Goldwater ran for president, he did not give a damn about political correctness, polls, or image. He argued his beliefs, convictions from his heart. He knew the cause of his election was lost early on in the campaign, but kept on hammering his message. None of the current candidates invoke his name, of course, like they do Reagan's. After all, he was shellaced at the polls, a victim of both his own honesty and the wild popularity of Kennedy and Johnson. But to hear frauds like Romney and Giuliani try to position themselves as conservatives is a disgrace and an insult to the memory of the man.
" About 12% of contributions to Giuliani's campaign have come from Italian-Americans . . ."

I'll bet they made him an contribution he couldn't refuse.  Just kidding.
Dawn- My point is to get moron's like Stephen to realize that Hispanic's will be the majority and my blogs usually condems right wing fascists Republicans who use wedge issue to cater to their narrow minded white rascists base who condems anyone who believes in equal protection under the law vis-a-vis gay rights, women's right to choose, the right not to have a state sanctioned religion i.e., not having to look at the ten commanments in public buildings, not spending my tax money on a war based on lies, record profits for Blackwater and Halliburtin, universal hlthcare, clean environment, and finally not being called names by narrowminded idiots. I am a liberal and proud of it and do NOT judge people as long as they respect my rights to differ with their politics and not resort to xenophobia.
I disagree wholeheartedly with Kathleen Parker's assertion.  Mitt Romney unites the Repubican side only if religious/social conservatives overlook his flip-flops on abortion rights and the gay marriage question.  For me, Mitt Romney's conversion on these issues is just a little too politically convenient.
You're right Dr Paul, the European theatre of WWII was a HUGE mistake.

Meanwhile, the repubs should all reread goldwater. It's why I became a repub in the first place--limited government, free enterprise, a strong military, among other things

see Steve, freedom of speech is alive and well; that is as long as you agree with the lefty storm troopers!
To:  Voiceofreason

You are dead right on Ron Paul,
but the Lincoln comparison fails because Lincoln had all his political detractors in the north arrested, including newspaper editors that disagreed with him.  Lincoln compares better with Bush and his ill-named Patriot act.
Jerry, honey pie.... both Hillary and I still love you. When she becomes president she will make sure you get your bottle and diaper changed when needed.
Florida is going for Hillary by the way, shes way ahead in the polls already. Don't cry now baby, mumsie Hillary will take care of you after election day. Don't you worry your tiny head. You too Sierra.
Oh yea, a GOP soul that is heading straight to hell!
McCain fell because he was too close to Bush.  Why do people seem to be flocking to Rudy?  He seems even more gun-ho than McCain does to remain at war.

I'd love to see Ron Paul get a chance.  Of course it would be rocky with a whole Congress sitting on "tradition."
I recently heard that the GOP leadership is conducting a large campaign to distribute the classic hits of Motown CD's to much of the base in an attempt to inject more soul into the party.  They just don't get it do they:)
GO Ron Paul


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