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Obama’s energy rollout

Posted: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:59 AM by Domenico Montanaro



From NBC/National Journal’s Aswini Anburajan

Barack Obama attempted to bring a fresh face to an old political issue in Portsmouth, N.H., Monday, proposing a comprehensive energy plan that attempts to combat global warming while ensuring American energy security.

Obama called for an economy-wide cap and trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050 and an investment of $150 billion over the next 10 years to develop new technologies to create sources of renewable energy, advanced biofuels and the safe use of nuclear power. He also called for greater U.S. engagement with the world in combating climate change, and spoke of the importance of individual responsibility in reducing energy consumption, saying that he would even sign a ban on incandescent light bulbs.

The plan received praise from the League of Conservation Voters for embracing a mandatory cap-and-trade program for carbon emissions, a step that his chief rival for the Democratic nomination, Clinton, has not advocated.

But in his remarks, Obama also skated a fine line between the history of U.S. energy policy and the ability of political leaders to pass comprehensive energy reform; between his criticism of the role energy lobbyists played in the Bush energy bill and his vote for that bill.

His speech opened with a nod to that history, by showing a montage of every president since Richard Nixon, all promising to reduce American dependence on foreign oil.

Obama blamed not only the power of the energy lobbyists in Washington interests in Washington for stymieing energy reforms but also the politicians that allowed that system to continue to exist.

“I know that change makes good campaign rhetoric, but when these same people had the chance to actually make change happen, they didn’t lead,” Obama said. “When they had the chance to stand up and require automakers to raise their fuel standards, they refused. When they had multiple chances to reduce our dependence on foreign oil by investing in renewable fuels that we can literally grow right here in America, they said no.”

His remark was both an attack against politics as usual in Washington and also a veiled reference to Clinton, who voted against raising average corporate fuel economy standards and tax breaks for ethanol producers.

But even though Obama takes broad swipes at Washington with a special-interest tar brush, even he gets somewhat spattered when it comes to the energy industry. Obama is a strong supporter of the Illinois coal industry, and has received thousands of dollars from lobbyists for the energy industry and employees of energy companies, according to the FEC.

In 2005, he voted for the Bush energy bill, which he vigorously criticizes on the stump, accusing the administration of meeting with conservation and environmental groups only once but meeting with the oil industry 40 times.

Obama’s support for the Bush energy bill brought $40 million to Illinois to help its burgeoning ethanol industry, $1 billion to allow diesel engines to be retrofitted to reduce air pollution and another $85 million for Illinois universities to research how to turn Illinois basin coal into transportation fuels, according to an article in the Peoria Star Journal at the time.

To his credit, Obama addressed his vote in his speech and justified it on the grounds that it provided support for renewable energy.

 “I even voted for an energy bill that was far from perfect,” Obama said, “because I was able to ensure that it contained some real investments in renewable sources of energy.”

Obama added that he fought to keep tax breaks for energy companies out of that bill.

Obama did not openly call for increasing coal production in his speech, but he did say, “We must find a way to stop coal from polluting our atmosphere without pretending that our nation’s most abundant energy source will just go away. It won’t.”  

He pledged to rely on a carbon cap to stop new dirty coal plants from being built and a ban on new traditional coal facilities. Obama’s energy proposals come at an opportune time. At nearly every campaign stop in Iowa last week, voters asked about what Obama would do to reduce American dependence on foreign oil and help combat global warming. His proposals may help him gain traction with voters who are concerned about the issue, especially small farmers in Iowa who would benefit from his push for greater ethanol production.

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I like obamas honesty, and you dont see that in politicians these days, anymore
It sounds like Obama might be E-OK, Environmentally & Ecologically OK.

 
Why is CBS News.com the only one mentioning a brilliant maneuver by Barack Obamathat will burnish his civil rights credentials because he is blockinga controversial FEC nominee? The article points out this move could help him woo black voters.
what is this ,no blatent condescending attack in a artical about Obama(although you tried a little one before stating the actual facts ); what blog is this . this has not happen here in about 2 months.Dont think we can get a puff artical ,like ya girl gets all day ah.
Once again, Obama leads!! Fresh bold ideas that other candidates will no doubt claim as their own, or the usual; criticize without giving their own counter ideas.
Obama - You will be next president of the United States of America!!
I say Obama might be E-OK, Environmentally & Ecologically OK + all people like obamas honesty.
Goal acheived by 2050?  Wow. This is what passes for good ideas from the Democrats?  Timelines so far out that they are meaningless.  This, coupled with Obama's 2013 (maybe!) exit from Iraq, makes this man a bigger joke then he already is.
I see Al Gore joining Obama team soon.....
Eric , how ignorant is that comment . do you think things get done without planing for the future. Ever heard of social security ,and numerous other policies that are projected over a large period of time . Or dont you think your children will be around in 40 years . Or maybe you can snap your fingers and it will be done.
ZTL may have something.
Al Gore professes to not want the presidency.
But maybe another vice-presidency?
Power enough to push his eco goals without the extra BS. ???
He's got the experience, the dems & libs like him.
And he created the internet!!!
the nuclear part is ridiculuos as there is no safe way to deal with nulear waste but I like his other ideas, they are good.  If repubs regain control we will be in iraq til 2050.
So we are supposed to switch from oil to coal? How does that fix global warming? Obviously Obama is just being loyal to his coal company sponsers and not trying to fix the real problem. If he wanted to help global warming he would switch to solar power. There is more than enough solar power reaching the Earth each day to provide energy for the entire world. Why waste it?
Are initiatives to combat global warming already an "old issue"?

Sorry, Obama can't steal Gore's glory this week.  Hopefully Obama will join's Gore's team soom.

Goal achieved by 2050?  Yeah, some problem's are long-term and require a little planning and thinking ahead (wish Bush could have done a little of that instead of getting us stuck in Iraq until 2050).  
Ethanol is a boondoggle. There is not enough energy in all of the plants in the midwest to meet the fuel demands of US automobiles.  We'd be better off removing subsidies for corn, planting a greater diversity of crops with less synthetic fertilizer, developing electric cars, and paying farmers  to put windmills in their fields.
If the other candidates take Obama's lead on pushing forward on clean energy, that will be great. Just hope we elect him so that we have a leader for the next 4 years. We need one!
Obama is so far off the mark here, it defies logic.
Incandescent light bulbs aren't the problem, and, I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as the "safe use" of nuclear power.
We in the Hudson Valley, live with a nuclear facility that leaks 30 gallons of tritium per month into The Hudson River. Tritium is radio active waste that carries a half life of something like 60 years per gallon. E.P.A., and the federal energy and nuclear regulatory agencies tell us this is an "acceptable level." Nice, huh?
The evacuation plan also calls for residents in highly populated neighborhoods to wait at bus stops to be picked up in case of a radiation leak or core meltdown.
Yeah right, we saw how good waiting for buses to pick people up worked in New Orleans.
Obama needs to pull his head out of his behind, here.
The problem is that local energy companies, along with the oil industry needs to be stringently regulated.
We shouldn't be allowing these greedy bastards (yes I said it) to be charging us three plus dollars a gallon for gasoline. Capitolism is capitolism.
But greed and price gouging are dispecable. (...and, I'm tired of hearing about the gas tax because it isnt what causes gas to be THAT much. The gas tax was in effect when Clinton was in office and gas was less than $2.00 a gallon when he left The White House in 2001. Also, we had a republiCANT congress along with a republiCANT president for 6 years...why didn't THEY repeal that tax?)
Obama needs to come up with more than a ban on light bulbs and reliance on nuclear power. This is among the many reasons why the man is experienced and completely out of touch.
And, to ki houston;.....all we saw for a solid week on First Read was "Norman Hsu, Norman Hsu, Norman Hsu," with Hillary's name attached to him.(I can only assume that Hillary is who you mean by "yo' girl")  ....never a word of mention that Hsu gave money to the Obama campaign too,...and never a  word about the indictment of Mitt Romney's National Fundrasing Co-Chairman and major Giulliani contributor, Alan Fabian.
I might add, that when Obama REPEATED what he had previously said about meeting with dictators and terrorists, NOBODY including First Read, called him on it.
So, if your intimation is that Hillary gets a pass in the media, you need to step off.
Because nobody gets more of a pass than little Baracky does.


I like how Obama votes but his speech regarding Pakistan discouraged me from voting for him. Hillary seems to be the lead candidate, but I don't like how she has voted. If Obama follows through on this energy plan, I, and many others, will vote for him. This plan will not only help our environment, but it will also end our dependence on foreign oil, hurt oil lobby, and unite us with the rest of the world in progression. As long as Obama doesn't threaten to take us into another war, I will vote for Obama.
Talking about the energy game. This came directly from a friend working in a couple of the regional electrical generating facilities.
Here is Oregon and Washington we have installed hundreds if not thousands of giant wind turbines. Great. Wind is free. Non-polluting. Crank them up. They are all up and down the Columbia river gorge. Just ask a wind surfer, it blows here.
The problem arises when it does blow. You see the power grid only holds so much juice. You can't just save the extra, or route it down to California at a moments notice. So... When the wind starts to crank up they SHUT DOWN the natural gas plants. Take them off line. We don't create more juice, we just get it from a different source. You might say, well at least the source is a green source. And you would be right, but my friend points out the largest part of thier polluting comes when the wind dies down and they have to refire up the cold gas plant. Thier start up dumps tons of pollution into the air while they get up to temperature.
And here I was feeling all warm and fuzzy about how eco our local PGE company was getting...
I like the idea of nuclear power.  The chance of problems exist but can be made very small.  I like solar energy as well but an volcano or asteroid can darken the skies which can kill solar power and cause problems.  This issue has be thought through.  As how feasible it is to switch the USA to using solar ( cost compared to nuclear ).  Obviously a committee has to be formed with environmentalists, scientists, economists, military etc to look at the pros and cons of everything.   Also windmills kill birds.  This will have to be looked at.  
if he is so concerned about the environment why does he smoke? im sure thats not good for the ozone.
The real problem is not shifting carbon emissions, it's called contraception.  This country is massively overpopulated and no technology other than contraception can fix that.  We need to be more concerned with uterine emissions than carbon emissions.  Face it.  There is no more frontier.  Based on the current understanding of the laws of physics, Star Trek is out of the question.  It takes at least a decade for the fastest rocket to even navigate the Solar System, assuming it doesn't run into an asteroid.  The notion of colonizing other planets is downright silly.  America is stuck with the equivalent of the Jamestown colony.  Get used to it, because it's only going to get worse.
Hamas Obamas - you ask where will the $150B come from? Well, if we hadn't invaded Iraq I think we'd have saved that amount. To date we have already spent $456B (yes, as in Billion!!) on the Iraq war with no conceivable end in sight. Do the math you racist.
"A mere $150 B as in BILLION on top of more welfare payments to those losers in exchange for their votes.  And just where are these sums (in addition to funding all his other wild-eyed schemes) going to come from?  Middle class, hard working-suckers, those funds will be coming from your paycheck instead of going to your families."

But we can afford to spend trillions in Iraq for lies. Let's start investing in America again!!!!!
Eric-Curious, what innovative, dynamic and/or fresh ideas have Republicans put forth in decades? Let me see; Tax and spend liberals which is a joke considering that they are anything but fiscally conservative with record deficits that will cost all man,women and child about $30,000 per year; moral/family values party that includes Craig, Vitters, Guliani, Gingrich and so many others, flag admendment, displaying of the ten commanments, Terry Sciavo, abandonment of New Orleans, gay marriages, trees causes pollution(Reagan),flip flop, shredding of regulatory agency that allows Chinese toys from entering our country, no bid contracts for cronies, Dubai ports,warrentless wiretaps, partisan hacks in the justice department and yeah....IRAQ,IRAQ AND IRAQ.
I am deeply concerned with this push for ethanol based fuels by all of our candidates. The fact of the matter is that we will continue to see a rise in the costs of our food as a result of increased reliance on corn for ethanol production. But my biggest concern stems from the  way in which we manage our soils currently, If wee see a big move for ethanol based fuels with out any push to educate and implement sound land care practices such as no-till agriculture we could experience a return to the dust bowl.
He's bolder than the rest of the crowd, but not bold enough to be a great president.  Everything he says only tilts in the proper direction, but he always throws in a few wavering caveats - like the coal issue.  Coal must go, the sooner the better.  Clean nuclear power is clearly the answer; it is a limitless source of power for the future.  We simply must move into that track and stop hoping for the miracle "other" solution.  You solve a problem by acting, not waffling.
mikeeg,

Please do a little research on nuclear power before making a comment like that. The tiny amount of waste from nuclear plants doesn't even slightly compare to what we are doing now. Also, the advances in technology since the last plants were built have been tremendous. The waste can be transported and contained safely. Even one of the cofounders of Greenpeace believes that it is the most eco friendly way of producing electricity in this country:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/14/AR2006041401209.html
hamas lay off the drugs and make sense.  9:37 post
Why do the Democrats energy plans always involve raising taxes?
Wow - finally an article that actually balances criticism with the facts.  Thanks!

P.S. - for all of you out there who don't have a Ph.D. in physics (i.e. mikeeg and Hamas Obamas) let me enlighten you a little about nuclear power and electricity.

1) A conventional nuclear reactor gets its source of energy from the controlled fission reactions of Uranium-235, the not-so-common isotope of Uranium.  This is a metal, which is dug up from the ground.  Ironically, if it is left there, it naturally decays into Radon-222, that annoying gas that makes it hard to resell your home.  That means that you - yes, you - are living on top of some small Uranium deposits.  Now, spent Uranium is canned and placed in deep underground bunkers, where it is about 10 times deeper and 10 times more contained than it was prior to being dug up.  So, please stop watching The Simpsons for your Nuclear Physics education.

2) Incandescent bulbs are ancient, and very inefficient at producing light.  This is simple to prove - turn on a 100 W incandescent light bulb for about five minutes and then touch it.  If it is hot, that means it takes the electricity YOU paid for and makes itself warm, instead of making light, like it is supposed to.  Now, if you use one of those newer fluorescent light bulbs, you will find that it requires about a third of the actual power to generate the same amount of light - because it's not making a lot of heat to do it.  But hey, it's your electric bill...
It's a start, but if he had real guts he would propose a $1 per gallon tax on gasoline and use the proceeds to invest in wind farms and solar energy research.
I agree that honesty is valued... but telling the truth about reprehensible actions does not excuse them.
CJ -

You make an interesting point about Solar Power.  Indirectly, solar power provides ALL of the energy we see around us.  The hard part is capturing it.  I sat through a number of solar panel lectures while I was a graduate student, and the basic problem is that it is LITERALLY a fair-weather technology.  So long as you have clear skies, you solar panels will remained charged for about 6-12 hours or so (i.e. daytime).  Further, the BEST solar panels in the research labs (not even on the market) can capture as much as about 10% or so of the solar radiation, due to quantum limitations and absorption properties of the photo-sensitive diodes.  Nuclear power (fusion power especially) works 24/7, and there is a LOT of material to use.  But, because of the "radiophobia" people have, no politician but Obama (and Carter before him) was willing to stick their political careers on it.
do you notice that most people that dont like Obama dont have anything of substance to say that is true ,or could be called inteligent . All they offer is name calling ,lies about his position or religion and charater assasinations with no basis. wonder why ?
i like him he a state man and that what we need now days
Environmental issues should be stressed in such a way that theres no room for mistakes. Take a look at the war in Iraq. Retaliation costs a whole lot of lives as we'll as money to incorporate into such a political mess. Congress and Bush both have their hands on a bank roll thats at a 10-1 split cause you have to consider the outrageous gas prices in America. A change is so severely needed when it comes to this.
j ,like i said before ,here we go . you are seriously going to compare 4,000 that was planted ,more than likly by clinton to about 1 million. yea and how much did any of the msnbc pundits take her to task on hsu on tv . did the o man say anything ,did chris mathew bring it up . Be for real or honest ,which ever you can muster.
Obama/Gore 2008    35%
Obama/Edward 2008   60%
Obama/Jim Webb 2008 68%
Obama/Tom Daschle 2008 55%

As someone that believe in free market. I think this proposal is bold and innovative. I guess a new commodity market can be created for this purpose.
Thanks for the informative posting.  It's a nice change from fluff about lapel pins, etc.
About Dr. Greg’s defense of Nuclear Power:

This author is “cherry-picking the data” by conspicuously omitting any mention of plutonium as one of the waste products, produced in quantity, by nuclear power plant reactors.  Prior to 1940, plutonium occurred naturally only in trace amounts in the immediate vicinity of naturally decaying uranium.  Within 20 years of Nuclear Power Proliferation, plutonium existed in quantities of hundreds of tons on the planet.

According to the "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics", a massive compendium of much of the known data for the elements and chemical compounds, "The maximum permissible body burden, or the amount that can be maintained indefinitely in an adult without producing significant body injury, is 0.06 micrograms (.0000021 oz).  Plutonium (Pu), therefore, is one of the most dangerous poisons known."  Also worth noting is that the half-life of Pu (time for half the mass to disintegrate) is 24,360 years.

And all this refers only to chemical and radiological toxicity.  This does not include the significant fact that Plutonium can also be made to reach a critical mass as demonstrated by the Nagasaki bomb which was Plutonium based (Hiroshima was a Uranium based bomb).

No containment method, including burying in mountains, even if we assume no breech, such as earthquakes or other explosions, can be expected to last for more than a few centuries before leeching out into the environment.

“Contrary to the claims of its proponents, nuclear power is not only tremendously expensive, but also very dirty and highly dangerous — producing thousands of tons of long-lived radioactive waste each year, for which there exists no permanent storage facility”. ~ Physicians for Social Responsibility (http://www.psr.org)

Nuclear Power is most assuredly not a clean energy alternative.
This is a bold idea from a thoughtful candidate. Personally, i believe American ingenuity comes from innovation. Therefore, Nuclear power should be on the table. With technology i believe we can figure out how to take care of the waste.

Here is Obama's quote for folks that are skeptical about Nuclear power " There is no silver bullet to our energy problem"

Put all options on the table and lets figure out which is better for our strategic interest.
Somebody posted above that Obama is a cigarette smoker.
Is that true? Anyone?

If so it shows some questionable personal decision making.
Obama is an ultra-liberal who hasn't run anything in his entire life. His position on the issues is located at the far left of the political spectrum.  It's not a character assination, it's not name calling.  Where's the lie?
"I like obamas honesty, and you dont see that in politicians these days, anymore "

Ron Paul, if anything he is the most honest.
My only fear with many of these plans is that the actual cost will always be on the consumer.  If it is taxes or cap and trade, the cost will be passed on the end consumer.

Most likely it will be both.  Some form of tax and cap and trade.  But when you add a cost to businesses, that business passes it on by raising the cost of the products it creates.
Its nice to see a candidate who is actually trying to get ahead of an issue rather than just catering to the lowest common denominator.  Obama definitely has my vote!
Dr Greg - I don't think anyone's successfully produced fusion nuclear reactions yet. I heard the Chinese were close, but I bet we'd have heard about it if they had been successful.  In the meantime, we have an extremely limited supply of uranium and there are huge environmental consequences for digging it up - similar to coal - and exactly where are we supposed to store all the nuclear waste for the next 10,000 years where we can be absolutely certain it won't be subjected to earthquakes, theft, vandalism, etc.  Last I heard Yucca Mountain was off the table - do you have an alternative? Meanwhile, solar is actually up to about 25% efficient, and growing all the time.  Soon we will have solar wraps, solar paint, solar clothes.  Perhaps what we all need to realize is that our 150 year orgy with fossil fuels is coming to an end and we will all just have to power down a bit.  We may have to locally and individually be responsible for producing the energy we each use every day.  Would that really be so bad?
Incandescent bulbs stink if you want to make light, but they are fantastic if the goal is to make heat! Stores maybe should move them away from the main lightbulb and lighting section (maybe put them in hardware?) or raise the price (a carbon tax for the difference in electricity use compared to more efficient technologies?) to discourage people from buying them for general lighting purposes. But I still want to be able to buy them if I need a heat lamp!

After a recent beverage spill on my laptop keyboard, I used two 40 watt incandescent light bulbs to dry the water out of the inside.
Obama is being honest and asking Americans to do hard things, make sacrifices for the sake of future generations.  Good for him.  It's exactly why he'll never get elected by a soft, fat, bloated, lazy American electorate who likes their standard of living.  As Paul Simon once sang, "God loves our standard of living---LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY!"
"Even one of the cofounders of Greenpeace believes that it is the most eco friendly way of producing electricity in this country:"

The Gods have spoken... fishy fishy fishy


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