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Posted: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:05 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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So are the expectations artificially high or low for Thompson? Probably a combination of the two. "This is an opportunity for Fred Thompson to chip away at the rap his critics use against him by being very well prepared and very smooth," said Republican consultant Whit Ayres. "He needs to verify the hope and promise that many voters have placed in him."

"He has to overperform," said GOP strategist Alex Vogel, who described what he called a "huge buildup" for Thompson, followed by a "real or perceived letdown." The debate, Vogel said, "is either a real opportunity to kick things into the next gear or a real underperformance."  

Politico's Simon wonders, "Has there ever been a major presidential candidate with lower expectations on the eve of his first debate than Fred Thompson? ... Never has there been an opportunity for any candidate to surprise his critics more."

What's worse than running as the GOP nominee having to defend Iraq in '08? How about running as the GOP nominee in the midst of a recession. Bloomberg News reports on the possibility.

So how seriously was Giuliani taking debate prep? Per NBC/NJ's Matthew E. Berger, campaign officials said he was preparing for the debate yesterday, but for the second night in a row, he was taking in the Yankees in the Bronx.

This debate could show whether Giuliani can successfully interest voters while speaking about something other than terrorism. While he has been talking about immigration reform and energy independence on the road, the conversation always seems to come back to 9/11. It will be a challenge for him to make that transition at an economic policy debate, and could look phony if he does.

Giuliani has spent the last week touting his fiscal record as mayor of New York City, and is likely to continue that track in the debate today. He is certain to repeat that he lowered taxes in New York, decreased welfare rolls and cut the budget.

The major question will be how Giuliani handles the attacks he has received most recently from Romney on his fiscal policies and opposition to the line-item veto as mayor. While Giuliani has defended his record and attacked Romney through surrogates all week, he didn't address the issue at all on the stump. In fact, he has mostly refrained from mentioning his Republican counterparts by name, choosing to focus solely on the Democrats, and mostly Hillary Clinton. He's unlikely to take on Romney directly now, but may be coaxed into a comparison by questioners.

Speaking of Giuliani, the campaign indicates they will now starting participating in the so-called email spin wars. Does this mean they are now ready to engage Romney and Thompson?

NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports, participating in his first debate since the 1996 senate race, Thompson's campaign says he has been hitting the books for months long before he was an announced candidate.  Thompson advisors say drawing on his practice as a former trial attorney, he has worked solo pouring over debate materials and more recently has done Q and A practice sessions informally.  To get ready for the Dearborn debate, Thompson called on friends to role play as his rivals.  Former New York Senator Al D'Amato as Giuliani, four term Florida congressman Adam Putnam as Romney and lawyer Phil Perry who is Vice President Dick Cheney's son-in-law played McCain.

Senior advisors say Thompson's goal for the event is to demonstrate "intellectual vigor" and to show voters that "he is prepared to be president."  Aware of criticism over his breezier campaign style and some fumbled answers to questions, advisors say Thompson's mistakes boil down to moments when he was "tired."  To counter the attention given to Thompson missteps, advisors claim he "wears well over time" suggesting voters will come to "like him and be more comfortable with him and more convinced" he is ready.  To further dampen expectations, they say Thompson was also heavily criticized during his last senate race which he won.

On expectations and the media assessments, team Thompson suggests "we don't need the talking heads, we need voters."  On the more limited scope of the Dearborn debate which will focus on economic issues, Thompson advisors claim that is good territory for Thompson to further define himself for republican primary voters.

NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy reports that with the proverbial spotlight shining on Fred Thompson this afternoon, the newest GOP presidential candidate will also be the literal center of attention as he participates in his first political debate since 1996. Thompson's podium will be positioned at center stage and viewers will be watching to see if he seems more knowledgeable on the issues than he has on the campaign trail, more concise with his responses and more passionate about being in the race.

Since announcing his candidacy a little over a month ago, Thompson has come under scrutiny for a seeming lack of preparation and enthusiasm on the campaign trail. Some of this criticism is due to the former-senator's laidback disposition. As his campaign likes to say, he's not a sound-bite politician, but debates are geared towards concise answers. So first and foremost Thompson will have to prove that he is capable of conveying a clear point within a small timeframe. He will also have to demonstrate that he has a clear understanding of some of the more complex economic issues in a setting where he is less-than-comfortable.

On the campaign trail Thompson rarely speaks from behind a podium - let alone next to eight other candidates - so to help him catch up with opponents who have been debating each other for months, Thompson participated in several mock debates. These included former New York Sen. Alfonse D'Amato playing former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Rep. Adam Putnam of Florida playing Mitt Romney and Vice President Dick Cheney's son-in-law, lawyer Phil Perry, playing John McCain. Also involved in the preparations were GOP strategist Mary Matalin and the vice president's daughter Liz Cheney, who was recently named a national co-chair of the Thompson campaign.

With a month of campaigning under his belt, the introduction phase for Fred Thompson may very well be over. Conservative platitudes will only take a candidate so far and despite Thompson's claim that voters don't vote for the candidate with the most detailed plan, rumors within the Thompson campaign indicate that there are plans to roll out some more specific policy initiatives in the near future. Whether that means Thompson will be getting more specific this afternoon is anybody's guess.

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Fred is angling for the position of "TV Czar" in either Rudy's or Hillary's Administration.
Rudy is angling for the position of "Commisioner of Baseball" in either Fred's or Hillary's Administration.
Hillary is angling for the position of "Hillary" in Hillary's Administration.
I think the low expectations will be on the relevance of some of the questions from Chris Matthews.
Those are lecterns not podiums. If you use the wrong word often enough it does not make it right or does it?
"Has there ever been a major presidential candidate with lower expectations on the eve of his first debate than Fred Thompson?
--- how about George Bush?
Fred is already dead. What could he possibly do, show us how much worse than he already is? Hang it up Fred.
Either Freddie has it or doesn't.

He doesn't.  

Pundits carry his water because they're bored.  

He's fabricated, lifeless and message-less.  

The guy makes Hillary look electrifying.
If you don't vote for Dr. Paul, remember it as you meekly fill out your 1040 on April 15th every year!
Bill is angling for the position of "Top Advisor" in Hillary's Administration.
Thompson is angling for the position of "Drug Czar" in Ron Paul's administration... so he can just kick back and smoke newly legal Cubans.
Fred Thompson.  Is it too early to just right him off as a putz?  Nahhhh.  It's time.
It will be interesting to see what Fred has already forgotten from what he has been coached on for the last three weeks.  All Chris Matthews has to do is ask him a question on anything that Fred hasn't been coached on, and Fred will flub worse than Bush (and that is saying a whole lot!).

I'd like to see Chris ask some basic fact questions to see how much these buffoons know about things any president should be familiar with--like the names of various leaders of major countries around the world.  I suppose Fred will be able to remember the presidents of Iraq and Iran but does he know the leaders of China, Indonesia, Spain, Italy, South Africa, Burma, etc.?  How about basic geography questions like how many cities in Iraq they can name.  I tested myself and only came up with 13 but I doubt if Fred could manage three.  "Uh Uh, Baghdad, uh, Baz-something, doh!"
Based on the reports I've seen on his stump speeches he's been pretty uninteresting. He's attempted to put on the mantle of "super conservative ronald reagan clone" while at the same time being as vague as possible. When he opens his mouth it becomes clear that he is no Ronald Reagan. I have very low expectations of him for this debate, but I'm sure regardless of his ability to answer the actual questions he will be given as much time to speak as he wants, just like Rudy and Romney, while the other candidates are cut off.
Obama is not angling, he is sraight-forwardly proving his competence to run the people's administration.
J.D., all Fred has to do is say "there you go again" to any question for which he doesn't have an answer and the media will say he won the debate.

I'd rather they be asked to name some of the rights guaranteed in the constitution.
Obama is angling to eb Hillary's White House steward.
Take notice that Ron Paul will answer truthfully and openly. He does not need "coached" or to be rehearsed. He has had the same core beliefs and values in his 16+ years as a US Congressman.

www RonPaul2008 com

www Vets4Paul com
Thus far, no one has been able to hold a candle to Dr. Paul.  I don't think Freddie is going to change that.  Logic and reason will prevail....I hope.
I've turned CNBC off for life... they absolutely have excluded Ron Paul from any meaningful entry into this debate. This is the only candidate that has anything to say and by their squelching his voice he actually is winning more support. I'm sending a contribution to his campaign as we speak. Goddamn this sleazy media control of our perceived democracy.
Where is the beef?  Where are the price of potatoes and wheat, oats and corn.  Do they know that the US inventories are at a 26 year lows and their were 30% less people in the US and the rest of the world could not afford our prices but today they can with our money from their recall items.

How about the military complex?  No not the Armed Forces but the jack booted thugs we have in our nations police departments that think it is OK to arrest and shackle a 13 year old girl and then after cuffed the super large super trooper gets to slug and then pepper spray the tiny girl with her back to him.  A mother and mentally challenged sick person showing that they are in need of help being drug off by officers and shackled then left alone to die.  A 70 year old great grandmother chooses to eat over watering her lawn in Orem Utah that is a desert, and then drug into court by a ordinance officer.  Cheers
RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CHOICE FOR '08

PROTECT OUR LIBERTY, RESTORE AMERICA'S IMAGE.

ELECT RON PAUL TO THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.

HTTP://WWW.RONPAUL2008.COM

Why isn't CNBC covering Ron Paul?!?!?! The more mainstream media try's silence the voices of freedom, the more freedom will fight back... just rememeber that.... CNBC
Why isn't CNBC covering Ron Paul?!?!?! The more mainstream media try's silence the voices of freedom, the more freedom will fight back... just rememeber that.... CNBC
Rudy's brains, common sense and government/legal experience are miles ahead of the rest of the pack. A debate between him and Hillary would be laughable - a briliant mind vs an empty head. She wouldn't dare debate him one on one. The other Republicans all have the edge over Hillary (except maybe Ron Paul) but must take a back seat to Rudy as he will have Hillary's head on a platter in '08. She would have never been a NY Senator if Rudy had been able to run against her.
I think if you have a debate give each candidate equal time. MSNBC sham on you. I wanted more from Ron Paul!!!
I think tonights debate was handled poorly. Time limits were not kept. Not all candidates were asked the same questions.
That was the worst most biased time management for a debate I have ever seen.  Get some real moderators and keep candidates limited to the time you tell them.  When will these debates be done properly??
Ron Paul.  The only politician that you can trust.  He knows what is right because he is the only one that follows the Constitution of the United States of America.
This debate was a joke.  The so called top tier candidates got 2 minutes for what was supposed to be a 30 second answer, while Ron Paul got cut off at 28 seconds. The post show commentary wondered where the beef was, but since they concentrated on Giul, Rom, and Thom, of course they got nothing but rhetoric.
Please,Please,Please...

I want to see more of Dr.Ron Paul...

He seems to be the only one in these debates that
knows or even cares about our life, liberty, and our
pursuit of happiness.

All the others keep giving me the same old junk i've
heard time and time again, election after election.

Why doesn't he get to PARTICIPATE in these debates?
Is it just me, or is he being ignored? Why?

Why would we ignore the sound principles of government that I've heard Dr.Paul express?

I'm now hearing some of the other candidates try to incorporate the principles of Dr.Paul when they speak. The words are so shallow coming from the mouths of politicians who have not lived these principles or even know what they are speaking about.

Please...Please...Please
Let Ron Paul Speak
Ron Paul speaks truth. the rest of the debate was merely a "good old boy" popularity contest.

what a joke!

Why exclude a man of truth from these debates.

Are THEY afraid of the truth.

Vote Ron Paul the only reasonable presidential candidate.


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