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Like I have been saying for sometime now...the Dems are cutting off their noses to spite their faces over this refusal to campaign in states that are violating DNC rules over primary preferences. This will only increase Republican presence in those states and hurt the Dems in the general election. Seems Dean is keen on self-destroying his party.

Don't forget that Sen. Brownback also alluded to the fact that he wouldn't support the nominee if that nominee wasn't pro-life. That is a clear shot at Guliani.

I think we can put Ron Paul out with the cat.....

Since Hillary doesn't care about the UAW (and having a anti-union leader on her staff doesn't help), this should help the GOP a great deal in Michigan.

Rudy, Mitt,Fred and John in that order.  A very good debate.  Not a tea and cookies debate like the democrats have been having lately.

It was Ron Paul who pointed out Romney's gaffe.  You failed to mention that.  What happened to the online opinion poll about who won the debate?  Nobody seems to think the pulling of it was of much news.  I think it is.  It points to a serious breach of ethics by the mass media.  

On the MSNBC webpage there is a 'rate the candidates' for the Republicans. Looking at the ratings before the second debate and after I notice one thing immeadiately. Ron Paul is the only one with a positive rating. THE ONLY ONE, before or after the debate that rates a positive. And that rating jumps through the roof after the second debate to 66% positive with almost 9000 votes.

I'd watch out Rudy, the dark horse cometh...

The republicans will not win in '08 if they continue to shun Ron Paul.  He's the best presidential candidate the American people have had to support for generations and the media continues to try to belittle and ignore him in favor of their bought puppets from both parties.  This last debate was more of a question and answer than an actual debate.  If you really want to know what Ron Paul stands for visit his website.  If you want to know what the others stand for, good luck because you can't trust their word.

Fred is floundering. He brings nothing new and is just another one of the warmongers. Why doesn't MSNBC/CNBC put the poll results back up that showed Dr. Paul winning by 70% or more. Why was the poll pulled. Guess Faux news isn't the only one that is unfair and unbalanced. Maybe CFRNBC would be a better title for your news org.

FRED THOMPSON DID GREAT. HE'S OUR MAN. VOTE FOR THE OLD FART FRED THOMPSON.

I don't see how Paul plainly stating "NO!" can be considered "waffling".

The only ambiguity to his statement is that he indicated a willingness to support a nominee who shared his foreign policy agenda.  Well, there aren't any and aren't going to be any.  That makes his "NO!" pretty definitive.

And I'd like to know who the people are that think that Giuliani is the best candidate to defeat Clinton.  He had a chance to defeat Clinton once before, and got a doctor's note to let him run away screaming into the night.  He was losing the day he withdrew and probably would have gotten slaughtered in the end.

How is it "waffling" for Ron Paul to state that he wouldn't support the GOP candidate unless that candidate changed his foreign policy positions and stopped engaging in illegal wars against Middle Eastern countries?  Did Paul previously state his plan to endorse whoever the Republican candidate for President would be- no matter his positions?  No, he has not.

"Waffling" usually means to switch one's position on a particular issue- often dramatically- for purposes of political expediency or theater.  Say what you will about Ron Paul- he certainly has his share of idiosyncratic views - but accuse him of "waffling" on issues at risk to your own credibility as a commentator.

For a proper illustration of "waffling"- consider Giuliani's vacillations on abortion during the first debate- during which he stated that he'd be okay with the Supreme Court overturning Roe Vs. Wade, then stated he supported a Women's Right to Abortion... Or consider Romney's positions on abortion, immigration, gay marriage, presidential pardons, and several other issues.  

The Clinton thugs will take the NYT's saucy little redhead, and smear her, then they will drop over to the Washington post and let it be known u don't talk about "we the president" like they are doing, watch out guys Obama/Edwards 08

I simply can't believe that anyone takes this guy seriously.

I watched the debate primarily to get a look at Fred Thompson, to see what he's about. Well, he ain't about much...I found myself being embarrassed for him. He kept looking down at his notes ("let's see, what did they tell me to say?") He's just "out of it" in general. Astounding to me that anyone takes him seriously. And really insulting to those who make it their passion to KNOW whats going on in the world and think up ways to help. My impression: phony to the core.

if the republlicans have a chance in keeping the white house it will be with Ron Paul---the rest are dogmeat

Fred doesn't stand a chance.

The only Democrats who will suffer for the Michigan and Florida debacles (aside from Clinton's primary strategy) are the State Legislatures in those two states that allowed their votes to become irrelevant.  The contention that it will hurt Democrats in a general election is a pipe dream.

Ron Paul comes out of the debate the biggest winner for decking Romney on what firstread correctly spots as the biggest gaffe of the debate.  Presidents do seek counsel in that scenario, but not their own PERSONAL lawyer, as Romney's ridiculous remark seemed to imply.  

I'm not a Paul supporter, but I honestly don't understand why any Republican who really believes in small government and cutting spending would vote for anybody besides Ron Paul.  All of you who complain about Bush's spending and bloated government are just blindly repeating the same mistake if you support Giuliani, Romney, McCain, or Thompson, because the Washington Republicans who run those campaigns only use "small government" and "fiscal restraint" as a way to get folks to vote for them; anyone who still falls for it is a blooming idiot at this point.  

Nice try on the "waffling" tag for Dr. Paul. However, he's the one candidate in the field who knows who he is without the help of polling data, focus groups or media bais. Only he can beat Billary (presuming the election isn't rigged again) and all the other GOP suits are just war-mongering liberal liars hell-bent on creating a KGB-style police state in this country...all for fear of the Muslim. And yet we survived Nazi Germany and Cold War. We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Why is that, that some poster's on here have to accuse anyone Not backing hillary, A hillary hater or against women in general? That is just the kind of continuation politics that this country does'nt need anymore. A lot of voter's are just sick & tired of Bush, Clinton,Bush,( Clinton?). We want a New direction from Washington, that restores our standing in the World. For those of you who want hillary in the Whitehouse, seems to me Only want to see Bill Clinton somehow become President again. Until the Constitution is changed, That isn't happening! When you attack other's for Not backing Hillary, you only become the Democratic version of the Religious right. It also seem's to me, that you want (Payback) for what this admistration has done to the Democrats over the past several year's. I could be wrong on this, but i would bet that Many, Many, Many voter's want Real change, Not the kinda so-called change Hillary may bring. Independent's control most election's, &  if not careful, Democrats will lose a Fantastic oppurtunity next fall." DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER "

Ron Paul isn't "waffling". The GOP is the historical waffler here. Ron Paul is the most consistant candidate available. Check his record against the other candidates and then write an accurate article about "waffling".

The  GOP reminds me of a Mob ring that controls a city and "suggests" that everyone pay for protection. Peddling fear and paranoia to pay for global domination is not American! Overcoming adversity through wisdom and diplomacy, that's the true American way. RON PAUL for PRES!

AFTER THE DEBATE LAST NIGHT WALT DISNEY IS CONSIDERING A NEGOTIATION WITH FRED TO STAND IN FOR ITS DOG WHEN IT NEEDS SOME TIME OFF TO GO BITCHING.

IT WILL BE A FRED THOMPSON/DICK CHANEY TICKET, JUST A BUNCH OF "OLD FARTS" RUNNING OUR COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND. BOY I'AM EXCITED !

What is wrong with these Republican candidates! Their claims about SCHIP being a government run health plan is just a lie. It is for the states to pay for private insurance for kids whose parents cannot afford to pay for insurance.

These rich, white, ignoramuses have zero credibility. Why would any American want to vote for the party which has given us 47,000,000 uninsured; Katrina, a massive budget defecit; Iraq; spying on Americans; wiretapping Americans, fear mongering; racism; anti-people statements and acts; anti science; pro global warming.

Does anybody really take these people seriously. To quote Monte Pyhton's Flying Circus - "these are very silly people"; especailly Rudy.

"I simply can't believe that anyone takes this guy seriously. "


Same thing I said about Lord Monkey Butt.

More disgusting mass media antics. Did anyone else notice Romney's spray on tan? Perhaps he's trying to pander to the ethnic vote!

This election is quickly becoming a joke. Way to pull the poll MSNBC.

Is Mike Huckabee the middle class candidate Hillary Clinton is trying to pretend to be?

On the MSNBC webpage there is a 'rate the candidates' for the Republicans. Looking at the ratings before the second debate and after I notice one thing immeadiately. Ron Paul is the only one with a positive rating. THE ONLY ONE, before or after the debate that rates a positive. And that rating jumps through the roof after the second debate to 66% positive with almost 9000 votes.

I'd watch out Rudy, the dark horse cometh...
RH Oregon (Sent Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:00 AM)

Considering that 85% of MSNBC's audience are Left-wing Liberals it's only natural that they would vote for the mentally challanged candidate.

I like Ron Paul. Takes a lot to stand up to that bunch with the truth. But face it, the GOP won't give him the "tap". (Oops, I better say, the "nod", the "tap" goes to Larry Craig).

Never saw so many losers in one place looking as baffled and stupid as the repuke candidates.
Not one intelligible or cognisant one in the bunch!
The repukes are an embarrassment and a disgrace!
They have not a chance in hell of tricking Americans into trusting them with the economy or the moral high ground. Bush sucks and so do they, the stink is heavy.

Welcome to bizarro world media where they conspire to paint Ron Paul as a 'third party' spoiler and ignore everything he says.  When is it going to stop and everyone is going to realize RON PAUL is the only viable Republican who has a real connection with the voting public in the last few years.  The mainstream media ignores the fact he is an elected Republican at the moment, while all these other guys are living in the past, its like that Glory Days song...  

Ron Paul is going to take one of those early primaries and then it will be on!

PJ--watch his money. watch your local middle class folks. Watch the National attitude. Disgust with the status quo. Disgust with the major parties and with the main stream media who whore for both parties. It is the year for an outsider. Not just outside the beltway but outside of the single ruling class that have driven this country into the ditch. This cycle if you have a D or an R after your name you are part of the problem.
I normally vote democratic and have big problems with some parts of Libertarianism but if I see a mob with torches chanting Ron Paul's name...well, what the hell.
We have survived 7 years with the worst people ever running things. To be worried about Ron Paul is laughable. We really couldn't be more of a joke than what Bush has reduced us to already.

Of course Thompson overshadowed. The media light was blinding on Thompson, Romney, and the media is still high on their own afterglow. Try putting a little more light on Huckabee and McCain and Paul  or any of the candidates besides media's picks.

Romney?? He is so full of memorized one-liners, he comes across like the tin man, without any substance. Always back to the business-conference hype-speach...I'm good, I can make All good, Oh aren't I great!! Look at me!! I can make you feel good with what I have to sell you!!! Buy my product!! We are the best!! Romney is sooo phoney, I think ONLY MEDIA, blinded by their own lights, can't see it.

Romney bright enough to beat Clinton?!! GIVE ME A BREAK! She'll chew him up and spit him out! Romney is so green in the political arena. He failed terribly as Massachusetts governor. He had to pay Conservative groups to say anything nice about him.

Romney seeking advice? Come on. Why aren't you even mentioning his chosen advisors? J.Cofer BLACK (BLACKWATER, THE BLACK GROUP LLC)and Pete Hoekstra! Don't know anything about them? For goodness sake. Look up Wikipedia! Hoekstra is already condemned for his report called "misguiding" "incorrect" for stating Iran is making "weapons-grade uranium." IAEA already reported Iran's uranium is 3.5%, when it should be @ 90% to be "weapons-grade."

It's one thing to seek legal advice and constitutionality...it's quite another to gather advisors around you who don't know a hole in the ground! We've had ENOUGH, TOO MUCH of that already!

Just because Romney made millions (which cost thousands their jobs through Romney's forced Buy Outs, and thousands more had to take cuts in pay just to keep their jobs) DOES NOT MEAN THIS MAN IS BRIGHT!!! Just because he's good at memorizing speaches and punch-lines DOES NOT MEAN THIS MAN IS BRIGHT!! He stumbles along, obvious he's repeating drilled lines!

So he got the biggest laugh--and now he is BRIGHT???

The same way media said Thompson won the NRA gig! Thompson got the biggest laughs, the most applause. Let's get Whoopi Goldberg for president! Or Seinfield!! He's funny!! He's BRIGHT!! How about Britney Spears! She gets alot of laughs these days! Maybe that makes her BRIGHT!

Romney is funding embryonic stem cell research (he could stop that if he wanted to). He refused to work toward getting porn removed from family motel rooms! Making excuses for it being there!! Romney funded gay/lesbian sex lessons for kids as young as kindergarten without parental consent or notification! Romney allowed his office to fund dances for 12 yr. old kids to meet up with 22 yr old gays/lesbians/bi-sexuals/transgenders...And he's called a good, moral, family man?!

Romney is such a good "family man" the day his wife publicly mentioned they would not be returning to Massachusetts from Utah, for Mitt to run for governor, because of her health, Romney butts in, and the next day announces their move to Massachusetts for campaigning for governor.

People LEFT Massachusetts, "his" state, like it was the plague while Romney was governor! Median home price rose 95%!!! For Crying Out LOUD! It was 40% for the Nation! "His" state was the ONLY state that FAILED to post ANY GAIN in EMPLOYEED RESIDENTS!! Maybe that's EASY for MEDIA to forget, being blindsided as they are!

LET's GET REAL FOLKS!!

Maybe his legal advisors will teach him it is not a good idea, if he wants to be leader of the free world, to still be wearing underwear that are to protect him from attacks from the devil! Or claiming it is True that there were steel-mills in Israel 2400 yrs. before the first steel production in the 1800's!!! Maybe they can convince him he gets NOWHERE telling Christians he believes in "Jesus Christ," when they know it is not Christ of the Bible. Telling Bible-believers he believes in the Bible, when his scripture teach the Bible couldn't guide them for 24 hours--they have living oracles that guide them! This make him come across as such a FOOL.

THERE ARE CANDIDATES WITH REAL SUBSTANCE, WITH REAL QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE TO OFFER TO AMERICA. WHO REALLY ARE "BRIGHT!" BUT MEDIA IGNORES THEM! THEN THEY TELL VOTERS WHO THEY PICK! ON AND  ON ABOUT WHO THEY PICK, WHO THEY CHOOSE THAT DAY TO SHINE THEIR SPOTLIGHTS ON.

PLEASE, MEDIA! STOP turning this election into a 3-ring circus!!!

"Then there was the waffling by Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo at the GOP debate about whether they'd support the eventual GOP nominee."

That statement is misleading.  Paul has been consistent, not waffling, in that he has repeatedly stated openly that he would not support a republican nominee that is hawkish on foreign wars of conquest.

from the washington post. Nancy Pelosi to the left wing.. GO TO HELL, we did all we could on Iraq, they have camped out on my sidewalk, brought couches and stayed in my yard. and they call it 1St amendment,

I'm really surprised by what has been left out of all this observation.
Wasn't it evident during this debate that Mitt Romney was clearly head and shoulders above anyone else? He displayed more command of the issues, was more articulate, had an enthusiastic and credible personality, and passionate leadership capability.
I'm convinced he's the real candidate that can unite our party, the nation and beat Hillary.

RH Oregon and Eric Doran - I agree with both of you. Ron Paul is the only one with a positive rating...and a very strong positive rating at that.  Hopefully, he will get a lot of grassroots support because the media certainly isn't doing him any favors.  I honestly don't understand how any of these people can call themselves journalists or mediators when they are so obviously biased...all of them!!  The media has become so transparent and long since fallen into the web of "bought and paid for" that it leaves one to ponder just what the hell are they good for anyway???  IF the republicans want to win back the White House then Ron Paul is their only hope.  

Dr. Ron Paul and former Governor Mike Huckabee were clearly the winners last night.  Fred Thompson stumbled around like a fish out of water, Romney and the former Mayor of N.Y., looked foolish.

Don't know where you've been polling Republicans, but down here, in the South, I  haven't heard of much support for Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, or McCain. Also, what happens in Iowa, New Hampshire, and among the gossiping media means nothing to us. The media's propaganda reflects a deep-seated and abiding delusion that we the people are stupid, ignorant, and gullible, when in fact we are individuals with God-given free-will, capable of making independent decisions without any input or advice from them or anyone else we don't care to hear from.

New Gallup on dems;

October 10, 2007
Clinton Maintains Commanding Lead in Latest Election Update
Majority of Americans now express favorable view of Clinton

by Jeffrey M. Jones
 
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The latest Gallup Poll of nationwide Democrats' preference for their party's 2008 presidential nomination shows New York Sen. Hillary Clinton continuing to hold a commanding lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and the remainder of the Democratic field. Clinton's lead over Obama is 21 percentage points in the current poll and has exceeded 20 points in each of five Gallup polls conducted since the beginning of August.

The Oct. 4-7, 2007, poll finds 47% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents favoring Clinton for the nomination, with 26% supporting Obama. Former senator John Edwards is the only other candidate in double digits, at 11%."

The Gallup numbers match  the RCP averages, almost to a , "T".

Disclaimer:
(You can read the entire entry by following the link. I am trying to balance my posts between those who complain that they are too long when they are complete, and those who complain that I am, "distorting the facts", when I leave the reader to their own devices.)





Van

Never saw so many losers in one place looking as baffled and stupid as the repuke candidates.
Not one intelligible or cognisant one in the bunch!
The repukes are an embarrassment and a disgrace!
They have not a chance in hell of tricking Americans into trusting them with the economy or the moral high ground. Bush sucks and so do they, the stink is heavy.

I watched last night's debate to see what all this hype about Fred Thompson is about. Hype is right...he is no Ronald Reagan. Quite honestly they all bored me to point where I fell alsleep on the couch with my cat. I'll keep drinking the democrat kool-aid with a watchful eye on this crew to see if anything should spark my interest. After watching this movie for the last seven years I highly doubt that any of them will provide anything new for the working middle class, well maybe some lies and deception..........

Oh God!

Not another has-been actor!!

Paul's "waffling" is called principle outside politics.  If more politicians placed principle over party, we wouldn't be having the problems we do now.

Rick - With all due respect, those who support Hillary are frequently attacked for supporting her as well.  

A question to you:  why is it that some posters on here have to accuse anyone backing Hillary of doing so only because she is a woman?

    why wasn't hillary clinton at the debate since her plan to replace social security with private stock market accounts parallels the republican plans.

     hillary thinks everyone should play the stock market, even the poor need to send their money to wall street to have it siphoned off by the wealthy elite, then the market can have one of those unforeseen downturns leaving the rich with the money and the poor investor with nothing, according to people like hillary that is how the natural order of things should be, the poor don't know what to do with money anyway

    with the so called privatization plan the government can continue to spend the money that is supposed to be for social security on their pork projects all at the expense of the wage earner, remember the wealthy are not required to pay into social security above a set limit, the wage earner is towing the whole load on this deal, the wage earner gets taxed at 40% with no way to shield or hide income like the wealthy

    hillary was created by the wealthy elite to protect the wealthy elite, elect her and see how all the plans to help the middle class and poor evaporate right before your eyes, the excuses for this have already been written and only await the proper timing for release, don't give them that opportunity

President Bush denying Armenian genocide?

RE: Then there was the waffling by Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo at the GOP debate about whether they'd support the eventual GOP nominee. Remember, it wouldn't take more than a percentage or two in some states for a third party candidate like Paul or Tancredo to cost the GOP a whole bunch of Bush '04 states out West.  

Comment: Saying "No" is hardly waffling, it is honest and real - two qualities needed in the White House. My hope is that Ron Paul gets the Republication nomination. If he doesn't, then I am writing him in for the General Election, because my vote is for honest and real.

These repukes have as much chance of being elected as as they do of getting an erection!
We can not trust the insiders why would we trust an outsider, just wondering?  All the outsiders are also insiders don't ya think?

I'm thrilled to see Fred Thompson in these debates. He was so unimpressive all the "I'm with Fred" folks that never really heard him talk but didn't like the other candidates are probably wondering what to do now. Maybe they hope he'll do something scandalous so they can get out easy from supporting him. His candidacy makes it so much better for Ron Paul. (By the way, "I'm with Fred" folks, you're welcome to join the rEVOLution.) I, too, agree with a previous poster wondering when the top tier candidates will ask the field to be reduced, although I'm not sure John McCain will appreciate being bumped in favor of Ron "$5 Mil in the Bank" Paul who will school Giuliani and Romney when people start paying attention which will probably be about a week before Iowa.

Did anyone notice how every candidate has taken one of Ron Paul's positions as his own for debates now? Why not just vote for Ron Paul, he holds all those positions and held them before they were popular ways to win an election. Solid? Yup.

These repukes have as much chance of being elected as as they do of getting an erection!
We can not trust the insiders why would we trust an outsider, just wondering?  All the outsiders are also insiders don't ya think?

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