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Oh-eight (R): Rudy’s good, bad news

Posted: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:07 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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In advance of Tuesday’s Republican Jewish Coalition presidential candidate forum, NBC/NJ’s Matthew Berger writes in the latest issue of National Journal that many of the leading White House hopefuls are viewed by Jewish donors as strong on Middle East policy -- but with slight blemishes. The Democratic campaigns are working to overcome associations with advisers who are viewed as sympathetic to the Palestinians or hostile to Israel. They include Edwards’ campaign manger David Bonior and Obama adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. Clinton also has had to move past her 1999 embrace of Suha Arafat.
 
On the GOP side, Berger adds, many key Jewish contributors are staying out of the fray. While Giuliani has won accolades for his ties to Israel during and after his term as mayor, many donors feel the race is wide open. “It’s disconcerting,” said Fred Zeidman, a Republican Jewish fundraiser in Houston and chairman of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council, who has been raising money for McCain. “None of us are making serious headway in the Jewish community.”

Also in that issue of National Journal, NBC political analyst Charlie Cook looks at how South Carolina could very well be the pivotal contest for the GOP candidates. “A Giuliani win in South Carolina, a state that has few last names with a ton of vowels and few voters with moderate positions on social issues, would be a huge victory. If Thompson wins South Carolina, it might suggest a consolidation of Southern conservatives and keep this race up for grabs. Coming on the heels of Romney wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, a win by either Giuliani or Thompson would establish that candidate as the alternative to Romney.”

BROWNBACK: The AP looks at how Brownback is trying to revive his campaign beginning with today’s appearance with Biden on their plan for Iraq.

GIULIANI: The AP says that Giuliani will pick up the endorsement of former presidential hopeful and Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson. "’Rudy Giuliani has shown that he is a true leader. He can and will win the nomination and the presidency. He is America's mayor, and during a period of time of great stress for this country he showed tremendous leadership,’ Thompson, the former Wisconsin governor, said in a statement obtained by the Associated Press.”

Giuliani’s stump speech in South Carolina was FILLED with Hillary Clinton hits, even more so than usual.

Just being associated with something called "vulture funds" can't be a good thing. The Times of London reports on Giuliani's ties to Paul Singer, chairman and founder of Elliott Associates. According to the report, British PM Gordon Brown has "condemned" the activities of these so-called "vulture funds" as "nothing short of scandalous."

Here’s some other potential bad news for Rudy -- regarding Bernie Kerik. The New York Daily News: “Federal prosecutors [are] expected to file charges against the former police commissioner that will likely include allegations of bribery, tax fraud and obstruction of justice.” Sources told the News, “The indictment will have direct implications for Giuliani.” More: “The bribery allegations against Kerik stem from a secret meeting at a bar in Tribeca.” A “Giuliani commissioner and a top inspector general during Giuliani's years as mayor will be called as witnesses to describe the secret meeting.”

HUCKABEE: Newsweek.com did a Q&A with Huckabee. And he did something he rarely does -- he makes the case against Giuliani.
Q: What do you make of the conservative mutiny against Giuliani led by some familiar figures?

Huckabee: It’s not just that Giuliani’s positions are significantly different than the core conservative constituency, but he’s been outspoken in the past, saying things that really lit up that community … whether it’s the NRA or the pro-life community. So I think that’s some of it, but I think there is among many people a healthy respect for him. I know my own attitude is I don’t agree with him on several key issues. But I have said and I’ll continue to say that I do respect that at least he’s honest and forthright about his positions and that he hasn’t changed them just to run for president.

PAUL: So what does a $5 million third-quarter fundraising report buy you? A profile in the Washington Post!

ROMNEY: The campaign has struggled getting the same traction in South Carolina as it has in Iowa and New Hampshire. A new gambit? Have Jim DeMint cut a radio ad for him.

Romney is getting more backseat driving advice about doing a speech about his faith.

And if he does, will it mean evangelicals begin to rally around Romney? That's what Time is reporting in its new issue. The magazine notes the recent new efforts the campaign has made to court evangelicals. "It is too soon to know if most of the nation's 50 million evangelicals will take the cue and give Romney a closer look. But the evangelical voters are one of the few real prizes in the Republican primary campaign -- and one that Romney, who has stumbled a bit of late and trails both Giuliani and Thompson in many polls, could sorely use. All of which means we will be seeing more testimonials, endorsements, and solicitations designed to woo a voting block that has yet to find a hero as the primaries approach."

THOMPSON: The Des Moines Register’s Hansen looks at the Thompson dilemma in Iowa. He quotes one man who wanted to support Fred Thompson, but then couldn’t find his campaign headquarters, then got a Romney direct mail DVD and was impressed. He said he couldn’t help but wonder, “[I]f I was more attracted to the character he was playing on TV." As for Romney, he found him “organized.”

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Clinton will negotiate with Iran without "Precondition". I guess she finally realized she was wrong during the summer. She was wrong to criticize Obama during the summer and her critisism shows lack of Judgement i have been talking about.

When the Clintons speak, people should take cover because they lie with such an ease.

I wonder what her supporter we say to this issue.
Why would the Democrats care about what the REPUBLICAN Jewish Coalition thinks?
Rudy is a bad used car salesman. He will say what he wants to who ever he wants. Believe that he is totally scripted 100% of the time. I am suprised he remembers his lines and has not shot himself in the foot more often. But then again he has his wife to keep him in check with his perfunctory phone calls at any podium. Rudy is a hack, he is not presidential.
Rudy is a bad used car salesman. He will say what he wants to who ever he wants. Believe that he is totally scripted 100% of the time. I am suprised he remembers his lines and has not shot himself in the foot more often. But then again he has his wife to keep him in check with his perfunctory phone calls at any podium. Rudy is a hack, he is not presidential.
Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. (Sent Friday, October 12, 2007 10:15 AM)

Oh, how they lie so much because they fear the G-Man.  Rudy will beat the Leftist/Socialist fools until they flee to Canada in '08.
Well, if Ann Coulter truly supports the Republican candidates, that should cause a lot of Jewish potential voters some consternation, especially after Ms. Coulter's recent remarks.
Bee here is talking about the Clintons lying? I suspect she favors a President, Vice President and Candidate Rudy that lie more often than they tell the truth! Check our Slate about the facts that Rudy presented in the last GOP debate. When he said to Romney that he "Led while Mit Lagged" Mitt should have said "you mean you lied while I told the truth!"  Get it right Bee!  
While Rudy and Romney are taking jabs at each other, Mr. Thompson will continue to climb in the polls. I do not believe Rudy will do well in the south due to his position on gun control. Thompson will get sharper and more appealing.
It does not seem to matter who the person is nowdays when they run for any ofice they lie cheat and will kill with imputiny; Don't think so? how many of the detectives died on the railroad tracks when they were investigating The Clintons? It seemsthat every one has lost their mind and have forgotten the bad ! No one will change and they all work toward a one world govt.
Giuliani's yard signs in South Carolina will state his name as "Rudy Billy Lou", y'all.
This is a good example of media bias.  Look at the coverage of Ron Paul versus the others. Ron Paul raised more than Huck, Thompson, and Brownback combined, but Paul gets ONE QUESTION. The media lacks objectivity because they are intellectual prostitutes. Truth is of no concern to the media. Propaganda is the agenda of the media.  Ron Paul speaks the truth and he doesn't have an baggage or scandals that the media can blackmail him. Ron Paul is the ONLY knowledgeable candidate in the bunch. Vote Ron Paul for President.
Go ahead and roll your eyes, media type. None of the other candidates have the VOLUNTARY support like Ron Paul.  Try something new:  think for yourself.
The media censors the truth.  Look at the difference between the coverage of the candidates on this page. Ron Paul receives a one line question when he raised more money than Huckabee, Thompson, and Brownback combined. That's right in front of your face.
pandering to the evangelicals will only hurt Rudy and Mitt in the general election. The american taliban has lost million of dollars in support in the last few years, some evengelicals are pulling away from the rebumplikans over issues like poverty, the environment and the war in Iraq. There are more rebums retiring from the house, one rebum has switched parties in Colorado, the Dems are receiving more money everyday than their counterparts in the elephant party, George Bush is being ignored more and more by congress, Ann Coulter pops up and spews stupid comments about the jewish religion, The economy is slowly bleeding and Fred thinks that "is rosy looking", George trys to convince us the housing problems are only regional, no raise in real wages since Bush entered office, George believes that international treaties can be ignored, crime is up, police are not given the money or tools to protect us, we have a justice deparment that is the personal lawyer for the White House, China can now sell medecine in our country, soldiers of fortune kill innocents in Iraq, a deficit that continues to climb, unsafe products, no real diplomatic efforts on any front, spending million on Radio Marti that doesn't reach Cuba, an upcoming problem with Russia on missle treaty, food that poisons children, lipstick with lead, global warming and a host of other problems that are being ignored by the rebumlikans will be the downfall of this group of ideologes. Keep up the good work GOP, we love your close mindedness, it makes us look better everyday, GO DEMS. GO AMERICA.  
If Mitt Romney wants the evangelicals he must show them he is a christian, and to do this he should refer them all to a talk last Saturday by Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of Twelve of Apostles.  He gets it straight in that talk, and everyone should listen.
Licorice
Has everyone gone away fromthe Idea that our leader must be some that we can beleive in and follow. someone who is truthful and has integrity.  That's what we need in a leader.  
It is truly remarkable to me that anyone would vote for a proven "say whatever is needed at the time" person as a Clinton. Bill destroyed any morality there might have been in the White House, and "Big Hil" changes her tune twenty times and no one ever says " hey wait a minute, you said before". If this country elects them then we are truly doomed, the USA does not exist any longer because they will sell it to the highest bidder, why not they hate the US anyway. Amazed at Stupid Voters...
Coulter just told the truth! If you read the Bible and BELIEVE what it says the you will know the Jews will have to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior or you know the rest.  That is if you red the Bible.
Kimo
We certainly got that in President Bush two. Not to mention the high moral standards of President Clinton. A person cannot be elected to the Presidency that has moral integrity and moral standards or truthfulness. We the American people get the type of politicans we deserve. Typically we are sheep that don't think for ourselves on the critical issues facing our country. Instead we are lead by the nose with deceptive or inflammatory ads like Swift Boat Veterans and General Betray Us.
Where are Huckabee and Romney's flag pins in these pictures?  And why hasn't the lunatic fringe commented on their absence?
I just wish the Republican Party would stop nominating cartoon characters, comedians and actors as their party standard bearers.  First we had the "gipper" with "don't worry, be happy" as his theme.  Now we have a smirking Alfred E. Neuman as President who says, "What, me worry?".  Next we will have Rudy Giuliani who looks like Colonel Klink without the monocle and my prediction to Americans will be "You'd better be worrying" if he gets elected.  The Gipper was an inspiration to his teamates while he was dying and after he was dead; Alfred E. Neuman is the modern day characature for leaders like Nero; Klink was the representation of the incompetent Nazi who religiously followed the orders of his superiors yet couldn't be trusted to carry them out.  Folks, vote for a human being with vision instead of some representative characture who is someone else's vision.
Ron Paul 2008!!!

He is the only candidate that speaks the TRUTH!!!!!
In regard to John Doe in Va.

The Bible also says to stone recalcitrant children.  The Bible -- through the words of Jesus Christ himself -- also makes it clear in no uncertain terms that divorce is not consistent with God the Father's will.  So if you support Mayor Rudy Giuliani, it is YOU who is supporting a candidate seriously at odds with a relevant biblical theme uttered by our Lord and Savior.
Democratic "immorality" in the White House consisted of a little philandering who hurt no one but the parties involved and would have taken nothing from the countries if the republicans hadn't gotten up on their hypocritical high horses and turned it into a national spectacle for the simple reason THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ELSE HE'D DONE WRONG THEY COULD USE.
Meanwhile, this White House considers it moral to torture, detain ANYONE INCLUDING U.S. CITIZENS w/o counsel and for an indefinite period of time for nothing more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time and is now pushing (and will probably get, due to their "if you're not with us, you're unpatriotic and responsible for the DEATH OF AMERICA" rhetoric).
The democrats running want to repair our extremely tarnished image around the world and restore the constitution to its original intent.
Republicans running would "double the size of Guantanamo" and use "any means necessary" to fight the "war on terror"
Which world do you really want to live in?
to bad john doe from Va read the bible rather than school books
The party of Linclon, T. Roosevelt, and Eisenhower can't come up with a better slate for president than this bunch?!
P.S. As to the macaroon Coulter, Jesus of Nazareth was a devout Jew his entire life, not a christan! Christ is a Greek word and Jesus did not speak Greek.
Dear John Doe VA - guess what - not everyone is stupid enough to take the bible as gossipal.  Get a life and quite trying to foster your sanctimonious religeous beliefs off on others.  No everyone has to believe in a God to make their lives fulfilled.  Sheesshhh you bible thumping Morons make me sick....
Rudy Ghouliani is a lisping, flaming, *closeted homosexual* as all of his wives have discovered.  I have nothing against gays, just *closeted ones* that cant admit they are effiminate lisping fairies to themselves... like Ghouliani
VOTE RON PAUL... anyone who sniggers and snickers at someone like Ghouliani did to Ron Paul should be voted against just out of principal....
I see from the pictures above that only Rudy has a flag pin. I am still waiting for a True Republican to tell me which of the candidates do and don't wear our flag so I can know which love America and which hate America.
I thought Ron Paul did well from the constitutioalist point of view. Fred Thompson
also did well and started going in depth and expanding on others answers. I didn't like Rudy and Mitt trying to blow a bumch of smoke up everyones butt. Rudy was correct on the Romney consulting attorneys answer. However, Rudy is no longer a contender.  
Giuliani is about to become un-electable. Ever heard of Bernard Kerik?
Bernard Kerik’s the former police commissioner of NYC.
Federal prosecutors expect to file charges against the former police commissioner that will include allegations of bribery, tax fraud and obstruction of justice.
Rudy's problem?
Giuliani’s former chief investigator briefed the mayor on Kerik’s alleged organized crime connections before Giuliani named Kerik police commissioner.
Mr. Giuliani, testifyed last year under oath before a Bronx grand jury investigating Mr. Kerik and said he had no memory of the briefing.
Starts to sound like the Clinton Gang doesn't it?
What we have here is a presidential candidate who is in bed with organized crime.
In addition NARAL a pro-abortion activist group is just short of endorsing Rudy. Rusy's campaign is feverishly negotiating to halt the endorsment.
Good Night Rudy!
Of all the Repubs, true that only Paul has even the slightest hint of integrity.  Not that the Demos are much better.  But come on, people, why are you still on that "Clinton-as-murderer" bit?  All of that nonsense was unconnected and absurd anecdotes, and there were three deaths.  Three.  One a suicide, and two boys hit by a train.  This follows the following reasoning:  A) two boys were killed by a train.  B) the train ran through Arkansas.  C) Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas.  Therefore, Bill Clinton killed the boys with the train.  Clever; I never would have thought of that.

And yes, Coultergeist is an anti-semite.  At the time, the Bible's lessons may have been appropriate, but I like to think our society has evolved (oh, sorry, intelligently designed itself) somewhat since then.
As an Independent, I couldn`t imagine voting for any Republican after what Bush has done to the country, especially Giuliani whose values appear more Democratic than Republican and therefore leads one to question his sincerity.  Why would the Jewish organizations even want to support those with a platform to enforce Christian principles in the White House, principles that include the need for "perfecting?" the Jews?
Israel`s best hope is a president that stands for American constitutional principles, not some politician`s gloss on Christian or Mormom principles.  As Lincoln said, none of us can know the mind of God but can only hope we are on his side.  
It is obvious to me that the Democrat/progressive liberals will abandon Israel. I am a registered Independent,
I hear a bunch of doublespeak out of the entire Democratic group. Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, Obama, etc.
You really want Obama after his comments on leaning towards the Islamics side in many cases such as Lebanon? They continue to  give lip service to standing srong with Israel but the core left is against military action in the Mid-east. You watch what happens when Israel takes out the Iran nuke plant.
The left will be screaming to cut or halt aid to Israel and to increase dialogue with the Islamic facists.
Ron Paul will not be any help either. As a constitutionalist he will abide by it's requirements to war, which means the U.S. must be attacked directly.
Fred Thompson on the other hand is a Federalist up Abraham Lincolns idealistic frame of mind and has given every indication that although he respects and would generally follow the constitution, he realizes that we live in a far more dangerous world than our fathers. He has stated that he would use pre-emptive force if called for.
Take a good look at the man and his reasons for his stances. The last thing we need is a liberal/progessive in the White House
I am getting more disgusted by the minute by the choice of presidential candidates on either side, I may end up sitting this one out in protest and may the best a-hole win.    
now fred says, you all just keep on sowing keep laboring when you are seventy five maybe just maybe ill let you go out to pasture depends on how
Republicans have a lot to answer for in the minds of Jewish voters. The first is the culture of Christian superiority among many GOPers and their implicit view of Judaism as an inferior faith. The second is the failure to capture or kill bin Laden and the catastrophic occupation of Iraq. Finally, the unwillingness to recognize officially marriages performed in Reform and Conservative synagogues that happen to occur between people of the same gender.
Dr. Ron Paul doesn't care if you are jewish or not - he's interested in what is best for the United States - follow the constitution & protect the bill of rights to protect "us" and our civil liberties - heck he's sponsored the Industrial Hemp Farming Act HR1009 - all the other politicians talk like used car salesman & I say "no thanks" to Rudy, Mike or any other democrat - go ahead, ignore Dr. Ron Paul - we will continue forward with getting his message out of positive change for America..


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