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Romney loses NV straw poll

Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:26 PM by Chuck Todd

***UPDATE***Correction: An earlier version of this post had incorrect straw poll results. Romney was NOT fourth, but second. The post below is now correct.

From NBC/NJ's Erin McPike

SPARKS, Nev. – Ron Paul won the GOP presidential straw poll conducted by organizers at the Conservative Leadership Conference held at the Nugget Casino this weekend “by a large margin,” according to an organizer.

Paul won with 33 percent, Romney came in second with 16 percent and Duncan Hunter was just behind with 15 percent. "Undecided" was fourth with 11 percent, and Thompson and Giuliani were next and ahead of the rest of the pack -- all in single digits. Raw numbers haven't been provided, but there were approximately 430 registrants at the opening of the conference.

Although many of the Republican presidential teams had surrogates representing them at the conference, Mitt Romney and Duncan Hunter were the only candidates to speak at the conference, and the victor himself was not there.

Libertarian sentiment dominated the conference, and a number of attendees expressed disappointment with the Republican Party for not catering to many of their views. Several speakers explained that they were looking to move on, echoing much of the discontent that came out of the meeting of the Council for National Policy in Salt Lake City late last month.

In fact, American Target Advertising Chairman Richard Viguerie, who said he was part of the strategic meetings in Salt Lake City, said Thursday night that even though he has agreed not to support Giuliani, Thompson or McCain, he’s still not close to declaring support for Romney or any other lower tier candidates because they are still actively and seriously courting conservatives. “Why would we stop the flow of flowers and candy?” he said.

Almost on cue, Romney said during his speech the next day to the group, “I’m from the Republican wing of the Republican Party,” eliciting a negative response from some rival campaigns and the Democratic National Committee. The DNC jumped and noted that he stole Chairman Howard Dean’s line from the previous election when he told voters he was “from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party” before losing to John Kerry.  

Out of the malaise over the conference came several questions targeted to Romney urging him to explain why he could be the candidate who would change the party’s direction. In particular, vastright founder Joseph Bentzel, whose start-up Web company with slogan “Powering Digital Conspiracy” has yet to launch, asked Romney at a town hall how the party can be re-brand, reform, refocus and re-launch after what he called is a phase of “pre-emptive defeatism” for the GOP. Romney gave a four-part answer, starting with his pitch, “Well, I think it helps to have a new face.”

Romney went on to sound another theme of his: optimism. He called the Democrats pessimists and said his optimism could go a long way for the Republicans, and he moved onto a point similar to his first, that the country ought to be led by someone who hasn’t spent an entire lifetime in politics. And he ended with a line that played well before the crowd of Reaganites, implying that his energy and passion could echo that of Ronald Reagan’s.

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I'm sorry but why was the winner of this poll only mentioned once while the loser, Romney, is in every paragraph?
Romney is in for a very rude awakening if he thinks "optimism" is going to prevent the GOP from going down in flames if it nominates a pro-war candidate.

As the good doctor pointed out in one of the debates, the GOP is doing nothing but "saving face." At least he's got the guts to admit that the mistakes the GOP made were not semantical, but fundamental.
Its funny, Ron Paul wins, yet you somehow find a way to focus 80% of this article on Romney, he wasn't even in the top three. This is just another example of MSM biase. I appreciate that you weren't negative on Paul, i just think after he beats out Romney who actually attended the event 80% of your article should have focused on Paul and how he is massing support.
Never have I seen an article about a poll be so much more about the loser than the winner.   That is not HISTORY!  History is always written by the winners about the winners.  So, writing about the loser as oppose to the winner really suggests something about the writer; losers write about losing.  
Congrats to Ron Paul, another straw poll victory.  Over 500 people attended this event too. =)
Looks like Ron Paul has some support down in Arizona! Should spend some time investigating that. People who think Romney could rebrand the GOP are kidding themselves, he's just more of the same.
Ron Paul also won the Alabama Jefferson County straw poll yesturday in a landslide
Ron Paul    58%
Thompson    16%
Guiliani     9%
Romney       8%
Ann  
What?  Major media reporting on a straw poll?  I'm in shock!  Ron Paul has the best record by far in straw polls across the country.  This is his 7th win in the last few weeks.  Thanks for reporting on this one.  Perhaps you might consider reporting the whole pattern...
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
How about changing that headline to read "DESPITE NOT SHOWING UP IN PERSON, PAUL WINS NEV. STRAW POLL"?
Yes, I'm overjoyed to hear that Paul won! He's the only candidate with the courage to call for an end to the Iraqi occupation. There were no WMDs, no connection to 9/11, Saddam is dead, and his army is gone. Paul wants to declare victory and come home. This will save the country TRILLIONS that can be used to make up the budget gap in the ballooning entitlement programs like social security. At the same time Paul is allowing young people to opt out of social security because they know they're going to get nothing out of it. He wants to end the IRS, Repeal the patriot Act, and address illegal immigration by ending social services for illegal aliens. I love this man. His message is powerful and is spreading despite the attempts of many to ignore or slander him.
Wow why don't we hear more about this Ron Paul guy???? I just looked up his website and he sounds like the PERFECT candidate for these troubled times in America. I just don't understand why he is hardly mentioned in the media when he clearly understands the issues.

I know who I'm voting for in the primaries now!
Romney is "fake."  I don't trust him, particularly because he is a multi-millionaire businessman.  I wonder  who he would serve?  Certainly not main street!!
OK, I know you won't print this...  Let me get this straight... Ron Paul got almost TWICE as many votes as the next guy, a "front runner, 1st tier" candidate?  Yet, it was so impossible that he could win anything that CNBC pulled their poll off of their website because Paul won in a landslide?  Those pesky spammers, those ingeniuos internet users, are somehow projecting realistic 3-D human looking beings to participate in these polls.  Damn them!
Ron Paul wins a straw poll, so you write a story about Romney? I'm thinking you missed the bigger part of that news story.
Great article. Could you do an article on who lost the straw poll in Jefferson County Alabama while you are covering losers?
Romney loses and still gets an entire article devoted to him? Interesting.
Funny, the guy who won the poll was barely mentioned.  You state "Libertarian sentiment dominated the conference..." but you ignore the only libertarian in the race.
Ron Paul has won 16 straw polls http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/ across the country. The support for him is not just online but in every state. The more his message of ending the war in Iraq and ending our foreign policies that the Bush administration advocates the more people flock to Ron Paul. He warned us against the war and the quagmire it would become and is warning against the fed printing money to help the banks at the expense of the dollar, which is a tax on all us working class folks.
Ron Paul wins the straw "by a wide margin" and you write a story about Romney?
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Google or YouTube: "Ron Paul"
Ron Paul won the poll, yet this entire article talks about Romney and the others. Ron Paul's name was mentioned only in the beginning. Even though Ron won the straw poll by a large margin, not a SINGLE mention of Ron Paul's message or what his campaign is about. Your bias is sickening and obvious. Hey NBC: We, the American People, pick the president, not you. Get is through your corrupt heads and stop downplaying Ron Paul's successes. You're becoming more irrelevant by the day.
Nevada is a major win for Mr. Ron Paul. The growth rate of support seems to double each month for him. From my point of view he is the GOP front runner.
1. He wins every single debate poll,
2. he has won 16 out of 34 straw polls, coming in 2nd or 3rd in a total of 28 straw polls. Margins of win average 2-3 times the runner up.
3. He dominates all online polls by an average of 75% (which just happens to equal the percent of people against the war

The scientific polls can not be used to gauge his performance because they dont mention his name as an option.
Ron Paul will win NH primary for sure. The other states will follow.
Ron Paul has a secret weapon as well. Every single supporter will be a primary voter, while the other candidates supporters all say they will vote for their candidate if they make it to the general election.

ODDS on Ron Paul are now 4-1.
This is journalism at its worst... You guys completely underplay the fact that a politician won a straw poll without even showing up.
this is absurd, ron paul can win a straw poll and be in the title of the article and still not be mentioned. this is amazing, msnbc has lost all credibility as a news source. be ashamed. why don't you just call the article "romney didn't win but we should talk about him anyway."
this is the most ridiculous attack on journalistic integrety i have ever seen
Chuck -- Thanks for posting this.  I've been reading your team's First Read stuff more and more lately, because you all report on whatever is making news with no republican or democrat bias as far as I can see.

I really commend this, because we all have our favorites.  I think you and your team do a great job of just plainly reporting the story, instead of insinuating some sort of bias like that clown at WaPo Chris Cillizza.

Keep up the straight reporting.  I am a pissed off Republican who probably won't vote for the first time in my lifetime because all the candidates are just terrible.  If one of them emerges as the true conservative who does NOT pander to special interest groups, I may be swayed to consider voting.

Frankly my wing of the republican party is doomed in 2008.  We have lost our way to the point that we literally do not stand a chance.  It is sad because conservatives are some of the most generous and big-hearted people out of their own pockets by their own free will as opposed to liberals who want the nanny-government to decide who receives goodwill.
Ron Paul wins the straw poll by a large margin, yet the article concentrates on Romney???  No media bias here.  
This is monumental.   Romney is on the cover of Newsweek right now for pete's sake.   Romney showed up and participated while Paul was all the way across the country.  Here's one for anybody who has been looking to these straw polls as tea leaf indicators of what's to come.
This isn't like those "open to public" straw polls in the past few months. This story needs airtime and more explanation.
Another win for Ron Paul. If you look at straw poll showings across the country he is a front runner. If you look at fundraising he is a front runner.

Frankly official polls don't apply to him..because majority of his base is not represented in them.

Disenfrachised voters? Nope
Independants? Nope
Young people? Nope
3rd Party converts? Nope
Democrat converts? Nope

Frankly I look forward to all the hurrying we'll see in the media to cover him when he starts winning primaries

As far as Romney claiming to be a real conservative...yeah right...he is no differen than the rest of them. These guys should drop the "fiscal conservative" act because they'll never be able to top Ron Paul who actaully believes what he praches.
It seems strange to me, that Ron Paul won this straw poll, and yet you spent 40% of the article talking about Romney.  The only time you mentioned Paul was to say that he won and by what percentage.  WAKE UP!!  THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION IS THE STORY!!
    ah yes, optimistic romney. ready to invade iran. the mantra of the republican party, bomb them all to oblivion, our pockets are deep
Ron Paul wins a straw poll?  There's a surprise.  Most people support Ron Paul because they want more freedom.  Me?  I support Ron Paul because I like to see the pig farm media and slanty forehead opinion polls squirm their way into irrelevance.

Didn't you get the memo?  Send Mitt Romney and his intellectually bankrupt gang of sharp-dressed troglodytes back to the hairstylists, PR firms and crooked pollsters.
Looking forward to John Harwood's piece on how the Conservative Leadership Conference was hacked and/or the straw poll voters ruined the purpose of the poll by beating the Ron Paul drum. After all, he hasn't Ron Paul pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/21257762

FIRE JOHN HARWOOD
Ron Paul wins and the story is about the loser??? Is this slanted reporting or what?
Wow, Romney lost to Paul even though Paul wasn't there? I need to look further at Paul because the current contenders don't have much to offer me.  
Wow, Romney lost to Paul even though Paul wasn't there? I need to look further at Paul because the current contenders don't have much to offer me.  
Finally an article by the main-stream media that reports on one of Ron Paul's victories at the straw polls! It would be nice next time if you elaborated on Paul's positions within the article and discuss why it is attractive to voters such as the people who voted at the straw poll. Perhaps some statements from attendees thrown in would add to it as well. Its good to see Ron Paul surging in popularity in any case!
Yawn...Typical McDonald's Media at work.  Ron Paul could have had 100,000 people show up but the focus of attention would not be on him. Instead, here, we get to better understand how Romney didn't do well as opposed to why Ron Paul did do well.  Yawn...
Thanks for the article. I would appreciate if it went into some more detail about Ron Paul, since he was the winner of the poll.
Why is it that the looser got the headline?
Assuming that Mitt Romney is a true conservative (which is highly suspect in light of his conversion of convenience on core issues critical to religious/social conservatives), he should not feel bac losing out to Ron Paul, who has not only been a true conservative much longer, but who also has been the much more consistent true conservative.  Did Mitt Romney spend in Nevada as he did in the earlier straw poll in the other state?  If so, perhaps the Nevada folks are not as easily swayed by such expenditures of money.  As for Ron Paul, I hope he will continue to take the fight to the party establishment and to make his case to the voters.
Great article about Mitt Romney losing yet another poll. Who wants to read another lame story about Ron Paul winning one more poll in a landslide. It was starting to get a bit repetitive with all of these straw poll wins.
Thanks for following up on the comment I made to your last story on this conference, even though it was never approved. But, a little more on Ron Paul, the winner, whould be nice.
Democrats for Ron Paul 2008! Go Ron Go!
Since Nevada's straw poll doesn't make any difference, Mitt's supporters knew they didn't need to come.
If they voted for Paul then it was probably for the Democrats anyway.
You've GOT to be kidding me?
Let me get this straight, Ron Paul wins the straw poll, and you do the piece on Romney.
You guys have got to be crazy.
I mean, this is ludicrous, you dare compare Romney to Reagan? Why do you think he got so little votes in NV?
Ron Paul won it because his fiscal, domestic, and foreign policies almost mirror Reagan's.

If you love Romney so much, why don't you gay marry him?
I think the groundswell of support whisking Ron Paul forward sends a clear message as to which direction the people want this country to move!
Romney is the Tin Man. No heart. He is some odd alloy on the outside and hollow on the inside where it counts. He's a lot like Ronald Reagan, now, about four years after the poor guy passed away.

Ron Paul wasn't even there and his grassroots support is amazing. The Republican party had better wake up. Oh, and thanks MSNBC for making this article all about the fourth place finisher. That's what we need, more Romney coverage. It shows that you will cover the second tier candidates if they have 250 million dollars in their bank account. Thanks for proving that you'll still help out the average American multi-hundred millionaire. I'm taking up a collection for Romney myself. I'm buying him a real beating heart.
So Ron Paul won another Straw Poll?  Are you beginning to see a pattern?

I went to my first sign Ron Paul sign waving today.  Guess what there were a lot of Ron Paul people there.  When we show up for the Primary's you are going to be stunned!

"Viva la Liberty"  
So Ron Paul won another Straw Poll?  Are you beginning to see a pattern?

I went to my first Ron Paul sign waving today.  Guess what there were a lot of Ron Paul people there.  When we show up for the Primary's you are going to be stunned!

"Viva la Liberty"  


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