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Romney: Hillary as Karl Marx?

Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:25 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Adam Aigner-Treworgy
Romney rounded out the scheduled appearances today by GOP presidential candidates at the Club for Growth’s fall conference in DC. The former governor touted his economic accomplishments in Massachusetts and continued distinguishing himself from Giuliani over his support for the line-item veto.

“I used that 844 times as governor of Massachusetts,” Romney said. “I’m glad I had it.”
 
A day after Thompson called for Republicans to spend less time worrying about Hillary Clinton and more time worrying about themselves, Romney spent several minutes criticizing Clinton’s view of the role of government.
 
“[Clinton] believes in big government and bigger taxes, if you will, big brother making life better for everybody,” Romney said. “She’s described her economic philosophy by contrasting it with what we’ve known for the last couple hundred years. She said we’ve always been an on-your-own society…we should be a we’re-all-in-it-together society, a shared responsibility society. So it’s out with Adam Smith and in with Karl Marx.”
 
Rather than differentiating himself from his GOP opponents, Romney used Clinton as a foil to say that he would “build upon personal responsibility,” making the Bush tax cuts permanent, cutting marginal rates “across the board,” and eliminating taxes for interest, dividends and capital gains for those making less than $200,000 a year.
 
Romney also proposed a coinsurance program where individuals would be responsible for an overall percentage of their health-care bill, which would encourage patients to “care how much a procedure is going to cost and they care also about the quality of that procedure.”
 
During a question-and-answer session following his speech, Romney fielded a question on the country’s education system and defended No Child Left Behind.
 
“I like the fact that in No Child Left Behind we test our kids,” Romney said. “We can see which schools are succeeding and which are failing. That alone is a huge advance…I think that’s going to build pressure. Build pressure upon the unions in the country to say, ‘you know what, we’ve got to star thinking also, not only about our members, but also about the kids the members are taking care of.’ And so I like No Child Left Behind.”
 
Romney also proposed a training seminar for the parents of children enrolled in schools that rank in the bottom 10 percent. The former governor said that he would like to see a national program enacted similar to one that he failed to get enacted in Massachusetts, where “before a parent can send a child to school for the first time, they’ve got to go to a weekend where they learn about being prepared to support their child in school.” 

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Mitt is obviously for the 'Some Are Above Society" which makes him like the last few Republican Presidents.
I can see that Romney is trying to be a Bush clone cut taxes for the rich and super rich and cut Medicare for the poorest among us. This administration has created more billionaires and at the same more poor people than anyone since Hoover and Mitt the S**t wants to continue that trend.
I can see that Romney is trying to be a Bush clone cut taxes for the rich and super rich and cut Medicare for the poorest among us. This administration has created more billionaires and at the same more poor people than anyone since Hoover and Mitt the S**t wants to continue that trend.
The public school I attended for highschool was pretty bad.  One of the worst in the city and the No Child Left Behind program only made it worse. Now they can no longer afford to hire teachers with the apropriate degrees or as many teachers.  Combine that with an increasing student population and it seems more like a warehousing institution.  Pack as many of them in as you can while spending as little as possible. Romney doesn't seem to understand the situation very clearly.  Does he want to keep children out of school until parents attend this "weekend"?  
Out with Adam Smith and in with Joe Smith is more like it with Mitt to parallel his outrageous smear on Hillary.
First Read, why repeat Mitts smear in the headline with the ? to try to let yourself of the hook when a better headline would have been "Mitt Smears Hillary" or "Mitt Slings Mud" instead you help put his lies into people's head. Shame.
Hail, Ceasar!

"Big brother." Now the American Fascist party is co-opting the ultimate symbol for a watched society - the neocon wet dream.

Thanks for having such patriotic (5 civilian) sons, and being "poised" to start a new war (which is peace).
No! I think what he means is that he doesn't approve of "Socialism".
  Mitt is running for president of the same party that six years ago today closed then Gov.Patakis office in Manhattan,Had to close the House after twenty-one people were exposed to Anthrax.Never has been solved.W.M.D.s never been found.Corporate earnings at record levels.Middle Class America has disappeared,racism is rampant,hate is commonplace and accepted.Jobs are being outsourced,shareholders profits are staggering.The uninsured Americans that die early or suffer needlessly is a National disgrace.So why doesn't EVERYONE learn something about each candidate for yourslf,the good and the bad.Make your decision on you own decision,and not because of blind party loyalty.That sounds rather socialist doesn't it? Finally,Mitt ROMney is not an evil git anymore than hillary is cold hearted.Don't believe everything you read because that is someone elses opinion,not yours.Your only borrowing it because you are too busy or lazy to make your own judgement.Please people,we are all Americans and if you don't vote,you can bet someone else will.Just hope you agree with their choice.
ROMNEY'S ECONOMICAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN MASSACHUSETTS?

I just bet Romney forgot to 'TOUT' that the ONLY THING that kept MA's. unemployment rates down during his term was THE 222,000 MORE RESIDENTS WHO OUT-MIGRATED FROM MASSACHUSETTS than moved into "his" state.

Did Romneo remember to 'tout' that WHILE HE WAS MASSACHUSETTS' GOV., MA. was ONLY STATE that FAILED TO POST ANY GAIN IN EMPLOYEED RESIDENTS!

How about Romney's brag-book, full OF MA.s HOUSING MARKET where the MEDIAN HOME PRICE ROSE 95% during his "Leadership." (40% for the nation).

I just bet he didn't 'tout' 'his' state being 3RD FROM BOTTOM IN CREATING NEW JOBS (would've been 2ND FROM BOTTOM except Katrina destroyed Louisiana)!

With ALL the ways to distinguish himself from Giuliani, Romney goes for the line-item veto. ROMNEY REALLY WANTS THAT POWER IF ELECTED. Using it 844 times as MA GOV. doesn't necessarily add up to "a good thing."

We don't have to worry about Romney "making life better for everybody." If it comes down to Clinton/Romney (GOD forbid!) Clinton can have that one all to herself. Romney, months ago, already started talking about how he wants to CUT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS and PUT MORE MONEY INTO GROWING THE MILITARY. Whose kids are going to go to school hungry? It won't be Romney's family! gotbucks--keepbucks!!  Whose mother is going to have to decide whether to be warm or buy medicine?...buy medicine or have food? I don't think Mrs. R. will go without either while Romneo INCREASES MILITARY SPENDING. (WITH COFER BLACK AS HIS ADVISOR!)

Of course knock the fact that we really are ALL-IN-THIS-TOGETHER!! Another one OUT OF TOUCH with his country and likes it that way!

Ya mean m.r. really gave time for questions? During Q and A with Jewish group romney took a right turn and rolled back into memorized lines from his stump speech, taking time from being questioned.

There were achievement tests when I was in school. Maybe he has room in his life for MORE PRESSURE, but our kids and teachers are under a lot of pressure for programs and tests that take away from teaching/learning time. And Huckabee is right about needing Music and Arts back in our schools...they DO increase grades in Math, Science, Reading...they also increase better behavior. Romney, rather, funded gay/lesbian sex education for Kindergarteners as 'Leader' of MA.without parental consent or notification!

Dah! A real 'no-brainer- why his wk-end to learn how to support children in school didn't get passed! Most parents (especially those suffering through the aftermath of buy-out firms, working 2 and 3 jobs,are working just to SUPPORT their children.

Romney really can't understand, and that's too bad, that today's Middle Class in America, those who still have Middle America jobs, are reeling from companies like ROMNEY'S BUY OUT FIRM forcing Buy-outs and costing 1,000's of Americans their jobs, forcing 1,000's more to receive much lower wages just to keep a job, after new company comes in. Most Middle America with jobs 'under $200,000 a yr.' can't afford many investments. It sounds good, looks good on paper.

A real businessman!

G.O.P.'s are So in trouble!



Nah, he's for the, "if you work harder, you deserve more", policy.

I personally don't wanna pay for someone who is too lazy to help themselves.
How is Gov. Romney going to finance his Energy Independence Program, without new taxes or fees?  Cold Fusion?
He's a Republican, that is to say, an anti-socialist.
Has Romney gone off the deep end? Comparing Hillary toKarl Marx?  I`m sure he never read Marx.  If there is any "we`re-all-in-it-together society" in America, it is the Mormons.  As I understand it, this religion, cult, group, take your pick, prescribes most things in their member`s lives, including even how much food to keep in the house.  The last I heard, it was enough for two years.  Now, why is that?  
Has Romney gone off the deep end? Comparing Hillary toKarl Marx?  I`m sure he never read Marx.  If there is any "we`re-all-in-it-together society" in America, it is the Mormons.  As I understand it, this religion, cult, group, take your pick, prescribes most things in their member`s lives, including even how much food to keep in the house.  The last I heard, it was enough for two years.  Now, why is that?  
It's good to hear candidates talking about cutting back the tax burden.  It is also great to hear that Romney supports federal testing to drive education quality higher.

Clearly there are basic philisophical differences between Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney.  Hillary seems to lean left of Bill Clinton.  I tend to agree with Mitt Romney
Hillary knows what's good for us by God and we better know it too!
If there is any we`re-all-in-it-together group, religion, cult, what have you, it is the Mormans.  They even tell their members how much food to keep in the house.  
I'm glad to see some straight talk from politicians.
No one else has given such difinative responses to questions the voters have.

I think Barack and most other Democrates talk in circles without giving solid information. Everyone can have several general ideas, as Hillary says she has so many ideas, but has she checked to see if they work or how much it will cost, or is she just going to try them all and see if they work.
It is too bad that a former Gov with Romney's credentials cannot campaign on his own merits but instead has to try to link Karl Marx to Sen Clinton.The current Bush Administration has done absolutely nothing for the midlle class and or the poor in this country. It is as if their problems do not even matter. I for one would not mind seeing us pull togeter more often in the  way Mrs Clinton suggests. If that makes me a kin to Karl Marx so be it. It is better than being part of group that ignores entire segments of our society! He talks about Mrs Clinton wanting more of BIG BROTHER.This comment from someone who belongs to the Republican Party that has systematically dismantled our Constitutional rights the last seven years and that has everyone under surveillance is absolutely laughable. How stupid do some of these candidates think we are?  
Romney sez "So it’s out with Adam Smith and in with Karl Marx.”

Here's a line from Smith that Mitt overlooked:
From his The Theory of Moral Sentiments, ed. by Knud Haakonssen, pp. 215-16:


The rich only select from the heap what is most precious and agreeable. They consume little more than the poor, and in spite of their natural selfishness and rapacity, though they mean only their own conveniency, though the sole end which they propose from the labours of all the thousands whom they employ, be the gratification of their own vain and insatiable desires, they divide with the poor the produce of all their improvements. They are led by an invisible hand to make nearly the same distribution of the necessaries of life, which would have been made, had the earth been divided into equal portions among all its inhabitants, and thus without intending it, without knowing it, advance the interest of the society, and afford means to the multiplication of the species. When Providence divided theearth among a few lordly masters, it neither forgot nor abandoned those who seemed to have been left out in the partition. These last too enjoy their share of all that it produces.


Mitt stated in the last Republican debate
that as President he would "consult with
the lawyers" about whether the Commander in
Chief/President could start a war without
consulting with and without getting a resolution
passed from Congress??

How about reading the constitution?
And the funding is where for NCLB?  I like the idea of parent responsibility and having to attend a class, but once again where will the funding come from?  And who will conduct these classes?  Teachers?  And will they be paid for their services?  Or is this just another assigned duty as part of their contract?  I would like to see how that will float with teachers and union negotiators..
he is simply outlining the fact that socialism is nothing more than buying votes, hillary wants to do the middle class what democrats have already done to the poor, make them dependant on the government.
Mitt Romney thats right his last name should be
Rom -ME, becuase it is all about him. I live in Massachusetts and he did nothing but cutcutcut.Important funding for the poor, and
homeless that because of him, not Deval the Boston Common was filled with homeless people sleeping overnight will not place to go. Becuase of a shooting in the commons homeless are banned and have to leave at a certain time.
Romney was never at the Boston State house, he was out of Massachusetts most of the time he was in office. He never brought Jobs back to Massachusetts he did just the opposite. Wake up America we the people lived with Romney in office, with him the Rich get Richer The poor disappear to the Boston Commons to live!!!
Mitt Romney thats right his last name should be
Rom -ME, becuase it is all about him. I live in Massachusetts and he did nothing but cutcutcut.Important funding for the poor, and
homeless that because of him, not Deval the Boston Common was filled with homeless people sleeping overnight will not place to go. Becuase of a shooting in the commons homeless are banned and have to leave at a certain time.
Romney was never at the Boston State house, he was out of Massachusetts most of the time he was in office. He never brought Jobs back to Massachusetts he did just the opposite. Wake up America we the people lived with Romney in office, with him the Rich get Richer The poor disappear to the Boston Commons to live!!!
So helping fellow americans reach the dream is socialism, then why do we give tax money to corporations that already make billions in profits every year? Hello boys, communism is dead and you can't ressurect the demon just to cause fear. It just doesn't work anymore for the general population. Oh yeah, you have to scare your base first to get the nomination. I want a leader who speaks about what to do about danger not a man who points at the danger so I will not question his motives or ideology. We know there are people out there who want to attack us, that is a given, what are you going to do about it MITT. Playing the SWORD OF GOD is getting old already and we are not even close to the general election yet.
Isn't using the Marx reference just as bad as comparing Bush to Hitler? Romney has really gone over the top- and sounds like he's channeling Limbaugh. And in a purely capitalistic model, its every man for himself- profits above all else. We already have one corporate shill in the White House, who recently vetoed a healthcare bill that 80% of Americans support- do we really need another?
Mitt is for the two class society and the trickle up economics. There is uber wealthy and working class. Transfer wealth from the working class to the rich and powerful.
While Democrats support bigger government for social needs, Romney and other Bush Republicans support bigger government for corporate subsidation, crony appointments, and subversion of Constitution liberties.    Whether one prefers small government or big, the choice above is crystal clear to anyone with any common sense.  
While the line-item veto may be consistent with the Massachusetts state constitution, our U.S. Supreme Court (U.S. SCT)has determined that it is not permissible for the president of the U.S.A. to use under the U.S. Constitution.  As a religious/social conservative, I have trouble disputing that the position that the U.S. SCT's invalidation of the line-item veto is inconsistent with the intent of the framers of the U.S. Constitution.  Indeed, I seriously doubt the framers would have envisioned letting any hypothetical president invalidate via the veto any single line of any bill submitted for the hypothetical president's signature.  If Mitt Romney cannot see the difference between something being permissible for a state to do under its own constitution but impermissible for the U.S. government to do under the U.S. Constitution, that gives me serious grounds for concern regarding his understanding of the concept of federalism AND doubts about his commitment to strict constructionism.  In short, the more Mitt Romney tries to enhance his conservative credentials by touting his support of the line-item veto, the more reasons I have to doubt that Mitt Romney is truly a conservative, especially in light of his conversion of political convenience on other issues important to the religious/social conservatives.
Nit-wit-Mitt
the new buzz word for the republican party this campaign will be "islamo-fascism" if i were you i would always
mitt obviously does not understand "of the people, by the people and for the people" but then no repub does rather the repubs know "me, me, me and screw everyone else".
Mitt says we have to build pressure on teachers' unions to get them to care about children. Huh? Yeah, like people go into teaching strictly for the big bucks. Damn those money driven capitalist teachers!    
There's no doubt Mr. Romney is the biggest advocate of a free market system.  With few exceptions, open market solutions maximize utility for everybody.  I hope Mr. Romney can effectively communicate that message to the American people, and I think the economic future of our country would be in good hands with Mr. Romney as president.
I don't quite understand what the last comment meant, but I will say conservatives in Mass. have enjoyed having Romney as Governor.  We wish he would have stayed, but we were merely a stepping stone to the White House.  Romney did the best he  could in a state that is majority democrats. The legislature is atleast 80 percent avowed democrats, and many republicans are RINO's (see Olympia Snowe of Maine)because they couldn't get nominated as democrats.  he really di the best he could.  The Republican party is in shambles in Mass.  and he tried to repair it, but there seems to be little desire for it here.  
"Personal responsibility" is more and more obviously code for "I could care less about other people, only my own selfish interests count."
Could Mitt get further off course.  Early on and actually until this article with the statement on "No Child Left Behind" I pretty much agreed with his ideas.  No Child has been a financial fiasco for most school systems throughout the US and has put an undue burden on local tax systems.  Anytime that an education act is mandated and little or no money is provided to help pay for the cost of the mandate it is inappropriate and improper.  It is the growth of federal government in an area where it should be left to the states and the professionals.  Most education departments in both state and national government have too much control.  I agree they should set curriculum and safety and security but when we determine that all students must be mainstreamed or all students must be graded and judged on the outcome of a single test or even a series of tests I believe that we have placed a bandage on a problem that we still have not really identified.  Come on Mitt....if you want to really make the schools work you have to start with parents who really see education as an available and important way for their children to improve.  If parents have not or do not see education as important neither will the child...we must change those attitudes...deadline (death day) tests are not the answer....we do need to test, we do need to measure, we do need to understand and then we need to assist families and individuals to comprehend that the future of the child, the family and the nation hang on the strength of individuals and a fair and equitable education system that once again recognizes the value of individuals and not the value of a standardized test that will determine the life direction of that child for the rest of their life.   How can you actually say you are for leaving no child behind and then push standardization and sameness.  We all learn differently, we all have different ideas, we all are individuals and should be valued for our difference as well as our different abilities.  In the system that "No Child Left Behind" promotes, Einstein, Edison, Lincoln, and hundreds of thousands of others could and most likely would fall through the cracks.  You must understand that standardization does not encourage individuality...no different ideas...because they don't fit the standard...they are different...just like entreprenuers are different individual thinking people and I believe that you, Mitt, believe that our economic system depends on this kind of thinking. We are not the Japanese or the Chinese, we don't copy things well we invent things because of Yankee Ingenuity... Mitt, do us all a favor get on track with the real needs...I really thought you were the one that I could trust and vote for but I really have to question following the leadership of a President who claims to be such a great education president when his own state was rated 48th overall among the state when he was first elected president.  One other thing that I question...if schools fail and are taken over by the individual states and the states realize they don't have the skill or the finances to run multiple school districts what happens then...privatization?  I live in Indiana we even have privatized our toll road...if education is privatized does that mean that vouchers, and private schools become the wave of the future....hmmm...doesn't that play directly into the ultraconservative side of the Republican Party....education by Political Party...now there is a novel idea...I think it was first put forward by Marx or was it Hagel?  Mitt, I am so disappointed...I really wanted to see you do well but to me you have seemed to fall off the beam.  I admire your family, your success and the abilities you possess and I remember well your Father but this issue really diminishes you in my eyes...what a shame.
It's ironic.  Contrasting personal responsibility with the collectivist philosophy, Romney is calling for another federal government program to raise parents' involvement in the education of their progeny.  
Right concept, but the wrong tool.  Parents too often shove off their responsibility for their childrens' learning as they shove them out to the bus stop.  The parents who CHOOSE their kids schools get the best results, not least because they are committed and engaged in the education process.
 Ron Paul would END the federal governments' involvement in something that is best left to parents.  The best government involvement is local, and that is done by engaging parents.  
Having a national test seems reasonable.  The problem I see with "No Child Left Behind" is that it raises our education bar to mediocre.  Teachers and schools end up teaching to a test, and students are held back from their true potential.

I remember in school taking the Iowa Basics.  I remember thinking the test had something to do with corn; sadly, no.
I'm amazed that even though Romney has a law degree he doesnt quite understand the rules of the this country.  Of course he used line-item veto in Mass., there's nothing in the Mass. Constitution preventing it.  However, in the federal government, which is guided by this little known document called the US Constitution, the ability to use a line-item veto goes against the system of checks and balances.  

BTW, Pres Clinton wasn't the first president to want line-item veto ability.  Every president has wanted it (its a way to circumvent Congress) and yet it isnt a law.  My guess would be because its illegal...

Romney also proposed a training seminar for the parents of children enrolled in schools that rank in the bottom 10 percent. The former governor said that he would like to see a national program enacted similar to one that he failed to get enacted in Massachusetts, where “before a parent can send a child to school for the first time, they’ve got to go to a weekend where they learn about being prepared to support their child in school.”  

Is this guy for real?  Kids in these schools are lucky if they even have two parents, let alone even one who has time enough to attend a seminar.  When was the last time he tried to work full time, come home, make dinner, review homework, make lunches, sort laundry, MAYBE speak to your kids a few minutes, pay bills, repair broken bookbag, fix leaky faucet, rake leaves, put out trash and on weekends, after housecleaning, shopping, laundry and school projects, MAYBE a few minutes to watch a movie w/ your kids.
One of my kids' teachers once said I should spend 25mins a nite reading to my kids.  I wish I had 25 minutes a nite to BE with my kids.
I don't know what world this guy lives in, but it's not the one 95% of the parenting population lives in.
Romney is $8 million in debt?!

Do we really want him spending taxpayer's money like he spends his donor's money?
Tony Robertson, Socialism is public ownership of the means of production and central planning.  is ANYONE suggesting Socialism in America?  You're too easily scared by talk radio.
Bush created the biggest gummint agency in decades, (Homeland Insecurity)wiretapped Americans, did away with Habeas Corpus and civil liberties...and HILLARY's for Big Gummint?!?
Mitt is Lucifer personified! Be careful what you wish for and vote for people, he is death and taxes!
I absolutely and defintely oppose H P Boston's comments. Mitt is the right person to be the President of America. Why? How? you should know the reason.


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