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Rudy: A tale of two Iowa cities

Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:18 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Matthew E. Berger
IOWA CITY, IA - Giuliani’s trip back to Iowa yesterday could almost be called a tale of two cities.

His first appearance in Des Moines showcased the resistance his campaign is facing in this state. Giuliani was not introduced by a state official or local supporter, as is usually the case, and had no significant backers to show off behind him. Instead, Texas GOP Gov. Rick Perry introduced Giuliani, but had to introduce himself and explain his credentials. Giuliani did not get much of his usual applause or laughs, even when he attacked Hillary Clinton, despite a crowd of mostly college students. His discussion of economic principles and the need for legal reform seemed to go over the audiences’ head.

But his evening appearance in Iowa City showed the potential that Giuliani has. Facing a roaring crowd 20 people deep, Giuliani scored big cheers and laughs from University of Iowa students, and even a protestor was quickly shouted down by supporters. Giuliani took note of the fact that he was the first Republican candidate to visit the school, and seemed to tailor his message more to his youthful audience, while still sticking to legal reform as his signature message of the week. He continued to tell the story of the $54 million dry cleaners lawsuit in Washington, D.C., but did so with more energy and better comedic timing.

The crowd seemed to hang on his every word, shouting back at him in agreement and booing the Democratic candidates whenever their names were mentioned. Afterward, he walked a long rope line, signing autographs and posing for pictures.

It's noteworthy that Giuliani’s first appearance in Iowa in two months was confined to three events on college campuses, featuring groups of students who may not be eligible to vote in the Iowa caucuses, and with no state officials at his side. "You can be crucial, students can be crucial to getting this done," he told the crowd. "We can really surprise people."

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Lier, lier pants on fire. Guiliani is not to be believed.
A roaring crowd of 20?
Given how weak Giuliani is <a href="http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/10/new-poll-from-iowa-has-clinton-up-big.html">in yesterday's Iowa poll</a>, I wouldn't really count on him being strong here. The only thing he can hope for is not be fourth like in that poll.
Yeah, bring up the "suit pants" case as a reason for tort reform is like using the "welfare mother's driving up in their new Cadillac to collect their check" anecdotal evidence to cut welfare programs.  It's an extreme case which has little to do with reality but makes great talking points and headlines.  Politicians tell lies by not telling the whole truth.  Problem is, people believe this BS because it is easier to believe they are being screwed over by the extremes than to admit it is happening to them every day by the very system they believe in.
It went over the heads of the young college republicans you mean...they are chickenhawks too rudy...feed them some patriotic music and give them bumper stickers...just dont expect them to serve or understand anything
Asad-I'm no Rudy fan, but the line read "20 people deep"
Newspaper accounts put the crowd at 450-600. I guess 20 deep would make that about 22-30 across.
The comments here are on about a 4th grade level of discussion...this is what MSNBC promotes?
there was well over 500 people there.   i know, because i was actually there.  the liberal heckler ignited the conservative crowd's energy, keep up the good work.
Does it matter how many were there?  Only 1 in 20 college kids vote anyway.  I'd have been more impressed if you told me it was a union group or any group of people over 30.  But as Howard Dean found and Barack Obama will probably find, enthusiasm doesn't usually translate into votes.
Reports of this rally don't impress me anymore than watching Rudy up close & personal in NY for 8 years did.
Hey Snow Poop, I just did division of a 2 digit number into a 3 digit number with rounding; that is at least 5th grade level.
Ah, Snow Pop, now even Duhhhbya can understand what goes on here.
"a crowd 20 people deep"

That is how repubs describe a few people standing in line for soup being harranged by a rightwinger with a bullhorn.  

I had to laugh that Gov. Perry used his introduction to introduce himself instead of Rudy.  He sure wants to be VP ba-a-ad, since his career in Texas is all but toast.  Maybe in future speeches, Rudy can use Jeb Jr. to introduce him.
The suit pants case was thrown out of court, as are most frivolous lawsuits, including the infamous McDonalds hot coffee case.  But that's OK, going back to Reagan Republicans have understood it's better to tell a good story than one that's truthful.


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