Donnie McClurkin, has said that homosexuality is a choice and can be cured through prayer.

That's not as wild as the preacher down here a few years ago that said that homosexuality could be cured thru Ganja.  He's no longer around either.

Teflon Hillary?  I doubt it.  As more and more stories about her campaign and their tactics come out, I'm sure the American people will see what a fake she is and nominate someone else.  Too bad there are not more choices in the democrat party, but just like the GOP, you just have to make due with what you got.

Wonder why Bill Clinton isn't at the spouse forum?

Obama learned a very valuable lesson, be at the vote when the vote is taken and you will be taken more seriously.  Hillary shot herself in the foot on that vote and Obama missed a golden opportunity,

Huckabee had 51% (488)of the Values Voters votes, of those who were present. Romney had 100 with him--received 99 votes/10%. Before the event, Romney sent mass email urging voters to go to Family Policy Council Action website and cast Romney votes--a buck a vote. Mass Media jumped on the online votes and minimized, again, Huckabee's support among voters, his landslide win at the conference.

Here, again, The Washington Post is Trying to make this a race against Giuliani and Romney.

Romney has thrown too much media-money around to not be included in projections by Media.

I don't think voters will be bought that easily.

Go Huckabee!!!

Will you post this?

I was wondering if Bill would be at the Spouses' Formum too.  Was he ivited--did he turn down the invitation?

'So far this year, Obama and Edwards have assailed her 2002 Iraq vote, to no avail according to the polls. Then this summer, they turned their attention to her refusal to disavow raising money from lobbyists, which is a subject that has all but disappeared. Now it’s Iran and Lieberman-Kyl.'


and the reason anyone would vote for hillary is?

Obama is right not vote for that Kyl-Liberman amendment. It is a disaster that is waiting to explode. I don't undertsand why politician in washington will trust Bush with that amendment. I know Clinton campaign won't admit she made a terrible mistake with that vote.

Here is the logic behind that vote.

One of the reasons Obama disagreed with Kyl-Lieberman
was that it called on Congress to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.

Here is the language that Obama support:

"The operative word is "Congress." The bill that Obama supported called on the State Department to designate the IRG a terrorist organization. He supported the bill -- and opposed Kyl-Lieberman -- in part because he understands, as Clinton apparently does not, that it is the role of State, not Congress, to make that designation"

I think Clinton failed to realized the caveat in the language which as Obama rightly observed:


"The amendement states that we have to "transition(s) and structure" our "military presence in Iraq" to counter the threat from Iran, and states that it is "a critical national interest of the United States" to prevent the Iranian government from exerting influence inside Iraq.

Why is this so dangerous? The Bush administration could use language like this to justify a continued troop presence in Iraq as long as it perceives a threat from Iran. Even worse, the Bush administration could use the language in Lieberman-Kyl to justify an attack on Iran as a part of the ongoing war in Iraq.


I don't know how the CLinton camapaign is going to spin this.

Both clintons are teflon. They have proved it throughout the years and now Hillary is showing that she too has the teflon magic. She is also quite like one of those kids lifesize blowup punching bags with the sand on the bottom. You punch them and they keep coming up in your face. Thats Hillary.

Seems nobody is invincible... but the Clintons come real close. Very tough couple. I think we will see them in the White House soon.

Teflon? yea probably very close to being that. The repugs are terrified of little Hill. I can see why. Im definitely warming to her.I will vote democratic no matter what.

"She is also quite like one of those kids lifesize blowup punching bags with the sand on the bottom. You punch them and they keep coming up in your face. Thats Hillary."

I knew I recognized her from somewhere.

I have always been suspicious of the net root. They are all talk without action.

I remember Howard Dean and lamont. Please give me a break, they don't have much effect on ordinary voters that doesn't pay attention to the blog.

Holy bejesus!  Now that Shrillary is what we need for President...a teflon, lifesize blowup punching bag with sand on the bottom and a blood thirsty ego the size of a full moon.  

Hillary Clinton is teflon?  Right.  That's why her negatives are at nearly 50%.  People get the Clintons, even though the MSM ignores how much people dislike these two hicks from Arkansas.

I'll gladly vote for anyone the netroots dislikes.  Bunch of crybabies who haven't gotten it done for a single candidate yet.

Can we PLEASE remind ourselves that Obama co-sponsored a very similar amendment in April? Which really hurts his credibility: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/10/tom-davis-will-not-run-for-senate-in.html

Bee, it's the conservatives that are afraid of the netroots.  Thanks to the Internet it's possible to fact check the conservative spin in ways that were never possible once the right got the MSM cowed into submission.  Listen to any of the talk radio programs, they're absolutely obsessed with the notion that anyone would question their lies or boycott their corporate sugar daddies.

go hillary go all the way to the WH

Obama should not be taking any heat for this.

If we shut out all of the music made by people who have said despicable things, we couldn’t really listen to anybody.

So long as McClurkin is not talking policy on stage, I think it’s great that Obama is welcoming him. Obama can disagree without being disagreeable.

Obama is always trying to reach the common ground in people. What better way to do this than through music? To paraphrase a man wiser than myself, “Music expresses that which cannot be expressed with words.”

— Posted by a voter in CT

Countdown to Iowa: 72 days
Countdown to New Hampshire: 77 days

Welcome to the deep end. Lockers are to the left, lead weights on the right. 25 diving boards, NO WAITING!


The, "Leap of Faith", and the Shooting Gallery are still open for the duration, but the lines at the deep end are beginning to overwhelm the other attractions here at the amusement park.


Van

Hillary Clinton has been endorsed by Rev. Harold Mayberry, who’s “preached against homosexuality.” and the Gay Community is quiet about that.

I’m sure it’s because they don’t give a damn about Hillary Clinton. They know this country is not going to elect another Clinton President. A fe-male Clinton at that. I believe they’re trying to get answers from the real person who will be President.

10.October 23rd,
2007
4:37 am As a liberal atheist democrat, I think that despite the potential problems that a democratic candidate faces when going before a religious audience with many social conservatives (including in this instance one of the singers, due to the associations that folks may draw), I am happy to see Obama doing it.

Obama seems to be the only one that understands that the only way to get others to understand your point of view is to go to them and talk to them, even if and especially when you disagree with them.

I'm not sure that Bill Clinton is teflon coated. He was impeached, wasn't he?  And In Senator Clinton's case, I don't think being "Teflon" helps her with the voters. She comes off as being somewhat cold and uncaring.

To my way of thinking being Teflon is not such a good thing anyway.  I want a President who IS affected by the issues and people's concerns. And if he or she messes up, I want a President who faces the consequences of his actions.

If her and Bill were actually honest people and were worthy of being President(s) then they would not need a teflon coating. Whether they can shed all the accusations or not, the amount of accusations are indicitive of their dishonesty and corruption. You don't see Dodd or Richardson being labeled as teflon dons. Then again they are not part of the Clinton Cartel.

Susan, Miami says,
          "Both clintons are teflon. They have proved it throughout the years and now Hillary is showing that she too has the teflon magic"

I must admit, Susan you are a very strong supporter for Hillary. I was at one point too, everything look good in abstract, but when you look at things closely you may have a different view. I just challenge you to look at other candidates as well don't let your support of one candidate cloud your judgement of others. You have to be aware of the candidate that you choose weaknesses, and with Mrs. Clinton they are plentiful.
I would never choose Hillary Clinton for President and that is my personal opinion. It is not based on what she says so much as what she does. She says whatever she needs to say to please the audience she is speaking to even though the things she introduce is nearly impossible to enact or if enacted would make little difference. Then she doesn't fully explain anything. I mean the list goes on and on.  

And many speak about Bill Clinton and what he did during his presidency, but I gather that is b/c you weren't wise enough to pay attention to how many of his policies have negatively affected those around you. It is easy to support Hillary if you have little empathy for others, but if you step outside the box and think of those other than yourself then it is no way you can support them.

Bill Clinton's judgement during his years of office caused hundreds of thousands of civilians their lives, so when you speak about the Clinton's and praise them and their policies I ask you to take a step back and think about those lives that were lost knowingly, maliciously and without regard.

Clinton's teflon coating is provided by the media. Even this article is slanted pro-Hillary anti-Obama. I have learned more about politics in this election cycle. The way to win...buy the polling companies...make sure that all of your operatives are well placed with all of the media outlets (including Drudge)...and start your own sites like media matters. The Hillary campaign was set up over the last several years and started when Bill was president. Don't get me wrong, it's a smart, well planned campaign, it's just that, without the objectivity of the media, there is really very little chance of anyone else breaking through. Yeah, what I've learned from this campaign, makes me more discouraged than ever.

Bee, it's the conservatives that are afraid of the netroots.  Thanks to the Internet it's possible to fact check the conservative spin in ways that were never possible once the right got the MSM cowed into submission.  Listen to any of the talk radio programs, they're absolutely obsessed with the notion that anyone would question their lies or boycott their corporate sugar daddies.
John B, Des Moines, IA
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I am not a conservative and i don't listen to talk radio. I stand firm on what i said earlier. The netroot are too controversial and have never gotten anything done. Howard Dean = Burst, Ned lamont = Burst

It seems they like pushing their agenda on us just like talk radio does.  They are too far left and the talk radio are too far right. We need somebody in the middle or else this country is screw.

Here is an interesting story I found.....



By Tom Precious - News Albany Bureau
Updated: 10/22/07 11:52 AM

ALBANY … A lawsuit is being filed this afternoon against the Spitzer administration seeking to stop the implementation of a new policy permitting illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses.

Rensselaer County Clerk Frank Merola, one of 13 county clerks who have vowed not to implement the new policy when it takes effect Dec. 1, said he will sue Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer and Motor Vehicles Commissioner David Swarts today in State Supreme Court in Albany.

"I think it's a slam dunk for us," Merola said citing a section of law that says Social Security numbers be presented when obtaining a driver's license. The Spitzer administration has said the section does not prevent a license from being given out if an applicant has no Social Security number.

Merola said he also is seeking a preliminary injunction to stop the state from its current activities to implement the new law. He said the state is preparing to send out in the next week letters to 150,000 people who lost their licenses in the past because they provide an incorrect Social Security number.

"It's got to stop before these letters go out," Merola said.

Hillary Clinton has supported, but not come out in support of Elloit Spitzer and his giving out Drivers Licenses to Illegal Aliens......

Last time I checked, there is a thing in this country call FREEDOM OF SPEECH. It seems like it’s becomming a ’selective’ Freedom lately!!!!We are all welcome to our opinions and beliefs. Why is it that one group of people can make ‘demands’ on others just because of their beliefs? Donnie McClurkin has an opinion and a belief and story. I respect Mr. Obama for keeping him in the campagin in spite of the opposition!!! Jesus loves us all! No matter what we are. Gay rights groups should be more secure and less demanding!!!

Chuck todd, quit being stupid, when you are on the clinton bandwagon (payroll), you will not address any of hillarys flaws or misteps, This blog you have, gets a few of the dems looking at her, if the baised Brian Williams and others would talk about what she really stands for ON THE AIR for millions to see, then u would see her ratings drop like like  arock. She is corrupt as no other candidate can be, but NBC has decided to accept this and look the other way.So has Couric and Charlie.

Another verdict on the Clinton camapaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102101069.html

Here is an interesting article on the Clinton's campaign. Please tell me why i should trust her.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351

Crystal - Just out of curiosity, who were these hundreds of thousands of lives that Bill Clinton's bad jugment cost?  

Hillary will bury herself.  Ultimately she will be revealed.  Here's something on how Matt Drudge is hooking her up in the press.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2197220,00.html

Here is something else about Peter Paul.  This stuff is just starting to come out.  She will bring herself down.
http://video.google.com/url?docid=7007109937779036019&esrc=sr8&ev=v&len=819&q=hillary&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D7007109937779036019&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D7007109937779036019%26q%3Dhillary%26total%3D16756%26start%3D0%26num%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D7&usg=AL29H20mC8g7uDwLfGmO5UxMSLVFgDdtSw

Arms Industry Backing Sen Clinton
Friday, October 19, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com


The US arms industry is backing Hillary Clinton for President and has all but abandoned its traditional allies in the Republican party. Mrs Clinton has also emerged as Wall Street's favourite. Investment bankers have opened their wallets in unprecedented numbers for the New York senator over the past three months and, in the process, dumped their earlier favourite, Barack Obama. Mrs Clinton's wooing of the defence industry is all the more remarkable given the frosty relations between Bill Clinton and the military during his presidency. An analysis of campaign contributions shows senior defence industry employees are pouring money into her war chest in the belief that their generosity will be repaid many times over with future defence contracts. -Independent

A 5-man race? And you still don't include Ron Paul in your 5? Seriously, what is wrong with you folks?

Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who can win the race and he is the only one who can save this country and our future.

Do you even realize how foolish you look each time you "forget" to mention him?

As in "Hillary Clinton wants to rope-a-dope us into W and Cheney's nuclear war with Iran"?

The Lieberman-Kyl vote seems like a serious issue to me. Call me crazy.

BTW Domenico, isn't it just as ODD that hillary seem's to show up a day or 2 later where barack has been. Get your heads outta her ass & you may be able to distinguish something's. Pass the Charmin!!!!!

Carrie:

let's start with 9-11 and his failure to capture or kill Osama Bin laden.....

I can also say Somolia (Blackhawk Down).

So Crystal, again, will you be voting democratic or republican?  Show us your true self. AND the Clintons have had to be teflon over the years due to the lies and phoney stories put out there, by the republican right wing. The Clintons seem to be the only ones who are able to deal with the attacks by the republican smear machine and still be standing. That is an amazing feat in itself. So, in that sense, being teflon is a good thing. Nasty lying bulls--- just slides right off.

jdr, you are in la la land. Come down off your crack high and see reality. All that stuff is TOTAL crap, and YOU can't see that?

shouldn't obama do his job as senator even though he's runniing for president? really, missing the vote and then whinning aobut it is just so manly.....

the senate was in session... he should have been there..
anyone what to defend him for skipping ?

"I would never choose Hillary Clinton for President and that is my personal opinion. It is not based on what she says so much as what she does. She says whatever she needs to say to please the audience she is speaking to even though the things she introduce is nearly impossible to enact or if enacted would make little difference. Then she doesn't fully explain anything. I mean the list goes on and on."

Could you document ANY of this convoluted logic?

1.It is not based on what she says so much as what she does.
Please for once, provide something to substantiate your contentions.
Here's her voting record;
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm?o1=lib_composite&o2=asc#vr

http://votesmart.org/index.htm

http://www.govtrack.us/

What EXACTLY has she DONE that formed your opinion.

The next sentence is so convoluted logically speaking that it has to be broken down into parts;

2."She says whatever she needs to say to please the audience she is speaking to"

Can you provide any examples of this? All politicians tailor their stump speech to their audience, so you must mean something else.
Please go to her website or Google her public statements to provide some examples of your contention.
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

Which of her stated principles has she repudiated or compromised in your view that has influenced your decision?
You say, it's "not based on what she says so much as what she does.", then say that she, "says whatever she needs to say to please the audience she is speaking to" If it's not based on what she says, why do you mention it?
2a. "even though the things she introduce is nearly impossible to enact or if enacted would make little difference. Then she doesn't fully explain anything. I mean the list goes on and on."

I'm not going to bother correcting your grammar, as it isn't germane to the discussion. I'll just try to disentangle the, "pretzel logic", involved.

Which of the many things that she has introduced, either in the campaign or during her seven years in the US senate do you refer to when you say that the "things", she  introduces (proposes?) are nearly impossible to enact?
Why would proposals that are nearly impossible to enact, " make little difference."? It makes absolutely NO SENSE.
Proposals that are difficult or almost impossible to enact would make no difference? What would be the appeal to her constituency? to anyone?

2b."Then she doesn't fully explain anything. I mean the list goes on and on."

So, the proposals that are nearly impossible to enact that wouldn't make a difference anyway, aren't FULLY explained.
Which of Clinton's proposals or position papers are you citing here? Which portions of which proposals do you feel haven't been fully explained?
Do you have any source material that you have used to reach this conclusion?

So, we know you would not choose Hillary Clinton, but your reasons don't seem to have anything factual behind them that would influence anyone else.


Van  



 

Susan:
AND the Clintons have had to be Teflon over the years due to the lies and phony stories put out there, by the republican right wing.

I don't recall Bill Clinton saying it was the right wing republicans that pushed him into an affair with Monica.....

Considering he lied to the country, his own people in the White House and most importantly HIS WIFE..your statement is just laughable.

And many speak about Bill Clinton and what he did during his presidency, but I gather that is b/c you weren't wise enough to pay attention to how many of his policies have negatively affected those around you. It is easy to support Hillary if you have little empathy for others, but if you step outside the box and think of those other than yourself then it is no way you can support them.

Bill Clinton's judgement during his years of office caused hundreds of thousands of civilians their lives, so when you speak about the Clinton's and praise them and their policies I ask you to take a step back and think about those lives that were lost knowingly, maliciously and without regard.

Crystal (Time for change) (Sent Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:34 AM)

And many speak about Bill Clinton and what he did during his presidency, but I gather that is b/c you weren't wise enough to pay attention to how many of his policies have negatively affected those around you. It is easy to support Hillary if you have little empathy for others, but if you step outside the box and think of those other than yourself then it is no way you can support them.

Bill Clinton's judgement during his years of office caused hundreds of thousands of civilians their lives,"

Not even the lowest of the low republicans has ever made such a statement about Clinton. If you have to sink to libeling the only TWO-Term Democratic President in our lifetime, accusing him of "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIAN DEATHS", You have abandoned any semblance of honesty and decency in the support of your candidate.
It isn't Clinton's honor and credibility that is called into question here, it's yours.


Van

Here is a point that the Gay community is missing.  Why would someone "who does not like gays" sign up for a tour with Obama? He is a strong advocate for gay rights. Perhaps Obama's ability to bring people together to see pass prejudice helped Mccurcklin to come together with him for the greater good.  McCurcklin did not pass up the olive branch why are the Gay groups turning their back on it?

The senate leader had informed Obama that the vote would not take place that day.  It was then rescheduled, after he had left Washington and without time to return.

Carrie:

let's start with 9-11 and his failure to capture or kill Osama Bin laden.....

I can also say Somolia (Blackhawk Down).

jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:32 AM)


9/11- It happened on BUSH'S and your republican party's WATCH! We'll be reminding the voters about that.

OBL-Bush has FAILED to capture or kill the two top leaders of AQ for 6 YEARS as they taunt us with videos and continue to have influence over the worldwide JIHADIST movement. Bush even was quoted on several occasions as saying he, "Doesn't think" about OBL.
The rest of AMERICA does, and we'll be reminding them about that too.

Somalia?- Hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS?
Iraq- NOW THAT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS, with sadly many more to come. You can guess that we'll be mentioning this too.

It's really hard to believe that EVEN YOU could possibly believe any of the things you post in lieu of addressing the sad reality of this criminal administration and your morally and intellectually bankrupt republican party.


Van

The Lieberman-Kyl vote seems like a serious issue to me. Call me crazy.

Betty, Baltimore, MD (Sent Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:26 AM)


Okay, you've got it.

Jerry can say "Somolia" but he sure can't spell it!

And he doesn't know who was President on 9/11!

Jerry, you go girl with your braindead Girly Gossip!

"I don't recall Bill Clinton saying it was the right wing republicans that pushed him into an affair with Monica.....

Considering he lied to the country, his own people in the White House and most importantly HIS WIFE..your statement is just laughable.


jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:54 AM)

Price tag for Starr investigation: $40 million plus

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/01/starr.costs/

Cost of Cisneros Probe Nears $21 Million Over 10 Years
Investigator of Former Housing Secretary Spent $1.26 Million for Last Half of '04, GAO Audit Reports

By Jonathan Weisman

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17129-2005Mar31.html

Not much for the money.
Imagine if there had been a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for the past 61/2 years, what would they have found?

We'll know when the whole gang of thieves is tried and convicted on national television, like DUKE CUNNINGHAM. Republicans have REAL CORRUPTION.

What's laughable is that a conservative would contend that the SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS plus was worth it.
The hippie museum is only a lousy mil.
Republicans are the punchline...Choose your own joke, there are so many.

Van

No Jerry, your statement is retarded and I'm sure you heard about the BJ in the white house, as we all did. However starting a war on false pretenses and continuing to lie about it which causes thousands of deaths and destructions of whole countrys.... well Jer, thats a huge difference... hmm a BJ compared to death and destruction of thousands. Gee, is there a difference folks Wow! can anyone tell the difference between the two? Jerry can't.

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