At least it wasn't Clinton. Then it would be a scandal..:)

"Elrick Williams's toddler niece Carlyn may be one of the youngest contributors to this year's presidential campaign. The 2-year-old gave $2,300 to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

So did her sister and brother, Imara, 13, and Ishmael, 9, and her cousins Chan and Alexis, both 13. Altogether, according to newly released campaign finance reports, the extended family of Williams, a wealthy Chicago financier, handed over nearly a dozen checks in March for the maximum allowed under federal law to Obama."

I don't think that this is any different than the Clinton fundraising, "scandals", trumpeted to the high heavens here as proof of her criminality. I didn't think think that as a candidate, she has had any direct oversight over national fundraising nor do I think Obama does in his campaign. So, unlike those who jumped on, and still invoke the Hsu and Chinese fundraising stories as indications of Clinton's character, I will not succumb to the temptation to subject Obama to the same treatment.

They raise tens of millions of dollars, and the competition is intense, with pressure on the campaign's top bundlers to PRODUCE. There is no shortage of those who would LOVE to contribute more than the current maximum, and surrogates like children is one way to try to get around the laws.

While I don't expect those who slammed Clinton repeatedly over the stories about her fundraising to  exonerate her based on this news, they should now at least be open to the fact that the  candidates aren't directly responsible for every check that comes in to their campaigns.
I don't blame Obama or think he had any knowledge or responsibility for the funds raised from children.


Van

"Seriously, this is why some are so cyncial about politicians."

That and a WHOLE LOT MORE!!!!!Pandering, not only to baseball fans but to any particular constituency on any given campaign appearance, amassing obscene amounts of money using questionable means and blatantly skirting campaign finance laws, constantly pointing out the perceived short comings of their opponents instead of telling us their good points,  never giving a direct answer to a question, etc. etc.

I have said this before, we need strong, enforceable, campaign financing reform badly in this country.  As long as campaigns continue to be all about money, I will be a cynical voter.  

The Clinton marriage has been analyzed, featured on the Sunday talks, debated and talked about more than any single campaign issue.  The Guiliani marriages and affairs have barely been mentioned.  The whole story of the end of his second marriage from announcement to court order keeping his mistress away from his kids had not even been written.  The bias in this post is Unbelievable.  How can you say with a straight face that the Clinton marriage hasn't been covered like Giuliani's.  That's not balance; it's a blatant lie.  People will laugh at this post.

Where are these polls coming from? Who are a they polling?

Any thing else you have to report? Thank you for your service. We are moving on to the next face.

First, we don't pay attention to national poll. If you have a new poll regarding IOWA, SC, NV and NH let us know.

The more i listen to pundicts that have been wrong 100% of the time the more i get sick. Thank you for your service, we're moving on.

Having fundraisers with  an adulter and someone who commits perjury hasn't hurt Hillary raise money or according to you lead in the polls or have you forgot that....

Maybe that's what he should do

By the way, the campaign got more bad news today in the form of a new Gallup poll, which indicates Oprah's endorsement would technically have a net-negative effect on his campaign.

Then why is everyone so concerned that she will campaign for him...it should just hurt him more and I know that will make you happy.  After all polls are always right aren't they?  What is this the third or fourth poll on this?  I remeber in the spring everyone was saying  polls thought Bill Clinton campaignig for Hillary might hurt her...now you guys can't praise the idea enough....

Here is the story you should be covering Main Stream Moron that is out to destroy a candidate we all love.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/24/for_obama_support_from_a_kindred_political_spirit/

<To the intrested party>

This is what is happening on the ground. We the people we decide this election. Not the MSM.

When Governor Deval Patrick sent an e-mail to supporters last week announcing his endorsement of Senator Barack Obama of Illinois for president, he got 2,000 messages back offering help.

"That's what he needs," Patrick said in an interview yesterday. "That's what we want to help him bring to New Hampshire. That's what we want to try to inspire in Iowa and elsewhere by example."

That inspiration began last night as Patrick presided over a massive rally for Obama on Boston Common. The event was the culmination of a long courtship of Patrick's endorsement by both Obama, a close friend and kindred political spirit, and Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, whom Patrick knew even before he worked for her husband's administration.

At the rally, which Obama's campaign said drew 9,500 people, Patrick offered a forceful argument for Obama, casting the presidential election as one of historic proportions in which merely a change in party would be insufficient.

"We need a leader who is ready to call in our times for our service, and our sacrifice," Patrick said. "You see, this election is not just about who we want. It's about who we are. I want a president who understands that. I want Barack Obama."

The rally was the latest in a series of huge campaign events for Obama around the country, and it was something of a role reversal for the two men: In the heat of last year's governor's race, Obama headlined several large events for Patrick in Boston.

"I am grateful to Deval, because not only has he stood by me through thick and through thin, but also because he is somebody who has consistently stood for the kinds of politics that I believe in and you believe in and America believes in - the kind of politics that begins with the grass roots," Obama said.

Last night's event underscored the potential value of Patrick's support. Before Patrick and Obama spoke, field workers on Obama's campaign were recruiting people from the crowd to canvass in New Hampshire, even as early as this weekend. And in a measure of Obama's organizational strength, his Boston-area supporters have been receiving text messages, e-mails, and personal phone calls over the past several days urging them to come to the rally.

"I like his energy, I like his lack of being jaded," said Rebecca Devaney, a 28-year-old from Haverhill who works at a media company and says she is still deciding whom to support.

In the interview, Patrick said he sees parallels between Obama's candidacy and his own run for governor. Both he and Obama, Patrick said, faced conventional wisdom that said they could not win.

Patrick said that his specific role in Obama's campaign had not been defined, but that he would campaign as aggressively as he could. He said he recognized, however, that he could not help at the expense of his role as governor.

"I've got a job to do, and I and the rest of the Commonwealth, I think, are sensitive to my paying attention to that job first and foremost," he said.

Patrick insisted that backing Obama was not a choice against Clinton, whose husband tapped him in the 1990s to lead the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division.

"I love her. I think she's great. I think she's run a terrific campaign," Patrick said. "If she's the nominee, I'll work my - I'll work hard for her, and proudly."

He continued, "The decision is not without complexity. But the times are so unique. The challenges are so big."

Just as members of the "Greatest Generation" responded to epic challenges, Patrick said, so, too, must the next president.

"They responded to a call for service and sacrifice, and I think the depth and complexity of our challenges demands that again," he said. "And I think Barack is uniquely capable of making that claim."

Patrick also said it made little sense for Obama to go after Clinton more aggressively, as some supporters and analysts have said he needs to do.

"There's no point bloodying each other up," he said. "Part of the appeal of his campaign and his candidacy is that he is a different kind of candidate and not making all the conventional moves and following all the conventional advice."

Definitely won't buy essence this month...one reader said it best

Former President Bill Clinton is quite the romantic husband, according to wife Hillary ... " yup, that's where we stopped reading.  UGH....

That marriage is the best ad for safe sex there is...

Monica says the same thing....cigars anyone!!!

Well, one thing is for sure: Democrats don’t seem to care much about the Clinton marriage.


Why should they.  Bill and Hillary don't give a crap about it either.

Late at night, and you just know it's true, Chelsea dreams that she was adopted.

While the masses have been mindlessly allowing themselves to be DISTRACTED by trite matters, Bush & Co have been systematically dismantling our Democracy. The courts, academia, the military...don't express any thought contrary...what will it take, Blackwater personnel patrolling your town? We have to stop allowing ourselves to be distracted. All you values voters, while you were lulled into feeling self righteous about your "values"...they were undermining you too. Please don't be fooled again.

LOL Nancy......

Rudy has been married three times
Hillary only once (and we all know why)

The media is more fascinated with the Clinton marriage from day one, mainly because it offers everything a soap opera or a miniseries has to offer:

Sex
Greed
Power
Murder

Maybe if the Clinton's were more of a normal couple, then maybe the media wouldn't pay that much attention.

But i think the Monica and the white house tryst and the cigars in the wrong place and affairs with other women opens up the Clinton's world for all to see.

Considering that women read or watch a lot of soap operas and romance books and liberal women especially are so gullible to fall for a man like Clinton, it is almost a fact that liberal women are voting more for her husband then they are for his wife.

Democrats/Progressives do not care about Clinton's marriage past or present difficulties or anybody else for that matter. It only seems to be the Republican's (we know how many marriages they gone through) and so-called moral voters that care about it because they are hypocrits and live in glass houses.

Here is the real story we're following in New Hampshire.

Bee  (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:15 AM)

Bee- the real story is the incredible amount of hypocrisy shown here, by the very people, you in particular, now that the Hsu (my pun intended) is on the other foot.

What would Bee say if on the day a negative fundraising story came out about the Clinton, and someone her supporters claimed that the real story that SHOULD be covered is an endorsement?

Van

The nastiness almost matches the hypocrisy today.

It is obvious that there is a double-standard at work here.

It's really amusing, actually. This should be a fun day on the board.

Van

After learning that Obama is associating with someone like McClurkin, even after the outcry from my fellow community with regard to his anti-gay position, any remote possibility I would support this guy just flew out the window.  If the case were reversed, and Hillary had a concert where someone associated with the KKK was speaking, you sure bet there would be outrage.  Why there isn't any on this issue against Obama bespeaks of the rampant homophobia running in this country.  To hell with him...I'm sticking with Hillary.

I personally do not care about the C;iton's marraige. She could have mirrored ceiling and swinging from the chandelier for all I care. What I care about are the issues. When will she drop out of this race, so that a true progressive Dem (B Obama)can lead this country(and our party) back from the abyss.
turn the page

Obama08

How exactly are any of these issues relevant to the presidency?! Who cares which team they are rooting for in the World Series. Don't get me wrong, I watched it, but really how does what team they support have any impact on how they will RUN A COUNTRY?

Also, if I hear one more word about Oprah in relation to politics, I will tear out my eardrums! Is she a politician? Do her views count for anything when it comes to foreign policiy or government spending? NO!

Another point, why does it matter whether or not the Clinton's marriage is strong? That's right, it doesn't! As long as their personal lives don't interfer with their ability to do the job, it doesn't matter.

I'm sick and tired of hearing a bunch of bologna when it comes to the candidates. I want to hear about some plans for our country's future. What are they going to do about the healthcare crisis? What is their plan for withdrawal from Iraq (or do they even have one)? For Christ sakes! Give me some reporting with integrity, this reads like a tabloid!

PJ, this is your psychiatrist calling.  Please come into the office as soon as possible as it appears we need to adjust your medications.  Also, do not focus on all those little voices you hear; we shall take care of them in four or five intensive sessions.  If that doesn't help relieve the stresses you feel, we always have electroconvulsive therapy to fry your sorry a**.

Any relationship does take work, however, a woman who stays with a man who cheated on her more than once is a fool, he will certainly do it again. People don''t change. A woman, such as this, has no respect for herself, she uses a man to get what wants and to be in a political position, which is sickening.

Van,

I am not intrested in your washington story. The real story here in NH is all about Patrik and Obama. I am going to post the video in a minute.

Chuck Todd: the media has covered hillary clinton, from every angle, on my god, my sides are splitting from laughter on this massive lie lmao

Pat (Huntington NY),

Donnie McClurkin has his views on homosexuality based on his own struggles with it. He is not "anti-gay" so please don't misconstrue anything. YOu wouldn't have supported Obama anyway so let's just be honest and I guess this means that you won't be supporting Senator Clinton either b/c just as another poster distinctly pointed out yesterday,

"Hillary Clinton has been endorsed by Rev. Harold Mayberry, who’s “preached against homosexuality.”

So please let's just tell the truth, shame the devil on this one!!!

Van

How about this quote?

"For once, I want a campaign that’s not about the candidate, but about us.

Not about a resumé, but about character. Not about connections or convenience, but about conviction. Not about smearing the competition, but about lifting us all up. Not about the right and the left, but about right and wrong. Not about yesterday, but about tomorrow.

I don’t care whether the next president has experience in the White House. I care whether he understands life in your house.

I don’t care whether the next president has already met foreign heads of state. I care whether he knows something about how people live and think in distant cities and villages and can remember that our actions affect them, too.

I don’t care whether the next president is the first black president or the first woman president or the first whatever, to tell you the truth. I care that the next president has moral courage, a political backbone, the humility to admit what he doesn’t know, and the wisdom to learn from others"....Devon Patrik

More foot soldier in NH coming from great state of MA.

Here is another news for those that didn't make it to the event.

‘A Principled Sports Fan’
By Jeff Zeleny

BOSTON – Senator Barack Obama is waking up in Boston today, though he’s not sticking around long enough for Game 1 of the World Series tonight.
But in a campaign appearance last night at Boston Common, Mr. Obama congratulated Red Sox nation before taking pains to purposefully not pander to the city’s baseball fans.
When he declared, “I am a White Sox fan,” the audience of several thousand people playfully booed and groaned. And that, of course, provided the entrée to his punch line.
“You don’t want somebody who pretends to be a Red Sox fan as president of the United States,” Mr. Obama said. “You want somebody who is a principled sports fan. Even when his team is losing, he still stands up for them.”
With baseball season drawing to a close, time is running out for Mr. Obama to capitalize on a moment from a presidential debate late last month in New Hampshire: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton suggesting she would “alternate sides” between the New York Yankees and the Chicago Cubs if they faced one another in the series. (That scenario, not surprisingly, did not occur, so Mrs. Clinton was sparred.)
Mr. Obama’s reference to baseball last night was not the first time he has sought to get a little mileage out of Mrs. Clinton’s less-than-declarative answer about her team loyalties. Speaking to a giant outdoor rally in New York City on Sept. 26, he declared: “Even your senator from New York wasn’t clear about the Yankees. I know who I’m rooting for!”
Earlier yesterday, Rudolph W. Giuliani, arguably one of the New York Yankees most famous fans, told a crowd in New Hampshire, “I will be rooting for the Red Sox.”
Judging the applause Mr. Obama received – before Yankees fans last month and Red Sox loyalists last night – it seemed to be a sentiment the rival sports fans could agree upon.

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.  I would take time to respond to you but my hands are sticky from the bonbons I'm eating, then I have to give my nails a second coat, which I plan to do right after I find out who killed Tiffany's boyfriend, because they are saying it was Tiffany and she has amnesia so she can't remember, but I really think it was her boyfriend's exwife's boyfriend. So I'll answer you when I get a chance.

'...Seriously, this is why some are so cynical about politicians…..'

Seriously, this is why some are so cynical about the info-tainment industry !!
Why does First Read even include this crap ?


Van: '...Bee- the real story is the incredible amount of hypocrisy shown here, by the very people, you in particular, now that the Hsu (my pun intended) is on the other foot...'

SORRY !! NO SALE !!
Norman Hsu was an important part of the CLinton organization.
He was a HillRaiser
Did any HillRaiser raise more money ?
Bill Clinton introduced Norman Hsu as 'my good friend Norman Hsu' at Kennedy Center.

Was that 2 year old a fugitive from justice who swindled investors out of their money ?

this has been a continuing problem for the Clintons.
Corruption has been bubbling around them for years.....
What about Peter Paul ?

This is like Bush criticcizing the Democrats for over spending on the SCHIP program while squandering billions on Iraq....

PS
Thanks again, First Read
fluff stories on the Clintons....
and negative stories on Obama .....
'...this is why some are so cynical about...'

Van:  If your allegations about the Obama contributions are found to be true (and I have no reason to doubt that he has some over-enthusiastic contributors who don't understand the intent of law on limitations on donations), I am sure that the campaign will return these contributions.  

The difference between the two campaigns is the degree to which these irregularities occur and what the 'irregular donors' hope to accomplish with these donations.  Unfortunately for Mrs. Clinton, she and her husband have a long history, well etched into the minds of American voters of influence peddling.  Therefore her donations are under closer scrutiny.  

The Chinatown scandal demands closer investigation to see if this represents the use of sham donors to allow large amts. of foreign business money to be infused into her campaign.  Unlike the editors of this post, I don't think that Hillary is
teflon-coated (an observation that, in any case, would not be a complement, since it implies that she is able to weasle out of bad accusations).  It is because of her (and her husband's) old style patronage politics, that these accusations of improper contributions ring so true.

If you love this country and I suppose that you do, the goal is to eliminate this type of influence peddling as it does much to weaken the ability of how government is best able to offer good services to the people.  Hillary just seems to be more of the same old sh*t and I want change.

Hillary is obtuse in her proposals about the war and in her approach to foreign policy in general.  She is pandering in her 'alms to the poor' solutions to socio-economic disparity.  In all honesty, unlike Obama, her goal seems to be self-aggrandizement and I, like many here, find that to be offensive.  

As a friend of mine said yesterday (a 60 year old curmudgeon of an ER doctor, who none-the-less is a dyed in wool Democrat), "if Obama doesn't get the nomination, I might as well just vote Republican or sit the whole thing out."  I replied,
"my sentiments exactly."
Obama '08

Oh Hillary has her Anti-gay moment as well......

Hillary celebrates endorsement of anti-gay Reverend who compared ...Hillary celebrates endorsement of anti-gay Reverend who compared ... Hillary Clinton Continues Push for Black Vote by Meeting with Bay Area Leaders ...
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3634146 - 50k - Cached - Similar pages

And so the Clintons are still together, big deal. And he had an affair and she forgave him, big deal. Get over it. But lets talk about Rudy and all of his marriages shall we? I havent heard too much yet.And after awhile I'll say who cares.

Pat...I see it doesn't seem to matter to you that Hillary was endorsed by Rev Mayberry who compared Gays to theives....No take that back Celebrated being endorsed by him...this is what I mean by the hypocrisy in the Clinton camp and much of this hooplah is drumed up outrage by Clinton supporters

Hillary celebrates endorsement of anti-gay Reverend who compared homosexuality to thievery

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3634146

It seems to be a real sickness with rebumblekins who are so focused on the Clintons marriage. Get your minds out of their bedroom and talk issues people. Throwing rocks at these two is so easy when you hide from the peccadillos of your own party. Bill and Hillarey decided to stay together, get over it.

Van,

I am not intrested in your washington story. The real story here in NH is all about Patrik and Obama. I am going to post the video in a minute.

Bee (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:47 AM)


No Bee, today's story is all about the DOUBLE-Standard shown by you and everyone else here who are blatant in their hypocrisy.

Would you like to review the things you posted about the Clinton on this topic and what you said it means about her character? Why aren't you holding your candidate to the same standard? Why are you ignoring the story and pushing some endorsement instead?
It's called Hypocrisy, Bee, and so far that's the story of the day here...


Van

Van is out to get the talking point for the day.

Van:  If your allegations about the Obama contributions are found to be true (and I have no reason to doubt that he has some over-enthusiastic contributors who don't understand the intent of law on limitations on donations), I am sure that the campaign will return these contributions."

Mitchell-

I have made NO allegations about anything. I posted my contention above, and don't get your mis- characterization. If you disagree, please quote my post to point out where I allege anything. It's a story that's listed as a headline here and as a topic.
I'm quoting the first paragraph.

How you turn this into an indictment of Clinton, and another example of why she shouldn't be the nominee, is a testament to your uncritical, almost cult-like devotion to Obama. You can defend him as that is your right, but do not claim that I am making allegations about Obama when I am quoting the story and posting that I don't believe him responsible.

It is very interesting to read the responses of those who excoriated Clinton for similar offenses.


Van

I listened to Sean Hannity on the radio yesterday...

His continuing question: "What has Hillary Clinton done to deserve being President of the United States?" got some great answers from people......

She's over 35
She's not a felon
She's a woman
She's married to Bill
She's a woman
She's staying in her marriage

God, what great answers......
doesn't answer the question
but shows what the liberal woman mindset is.....

Also he asks "Name three accomplishments Hillary has gotten done in the Senate"........

in 90 minutes of driving yesterday, no one could come up with an answer other then "she's a woman"

Pretty sad.....

Maybe some of you should call the show and tell him what great things Hillary has accomplished......

In a major blow to Dems, Kerrey is NOT running for Senate in Nebraska:
http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/10/huge-blow-to-senate-democrats-bob.html

This is what I had to say to MSNBC's FIRST READ:

Dear Domenico,

You must be busy. I have news for you:

OBAMA IN BOSTON ADDRESSES 9,500

THE HONORABLE GOVERNOR Deval Patrick said:

"For once, I want a campaign that’s not about the candidate, but about us.

Not about a resumé, but about character. Not about connections or convenience, but about conviction. Not about smearing the competition, but about lifting us all up. Not about the right and the left, but about right and wrong. Not about yesterday, but about tomorrow.

I don’t care whether the next president has experience in the White House. I care whether he understands life in your house.

I don’t care whether the next president has already met foreign heads of state. I care whether he knows something about how people live and think in distant cities and villages and can remember that our actions affect them, too.

I don’t care whether the next president is the first black president or the first woman president or the first whatever, to tell you the truth. I care that the next president has moral courage, a political backbone, the humility to admit what he doesn’t know, and the wisdom to learn from others".

(I know you guys are busy reporting "Hillary campaigns in Fresno" so you couldn't get the time to report "Obama campaigns in Boston"...and BTW draws 9,500)

We will gladly help you with reporting even though it is a little unfair.

I listened to Sean Hannity on the radio yesterday...
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:16 AM)


Yeah, and EVERY day. That's where most of your opinions and thoughts come directly from...

Pretty sad...



Van

Jerry,

That is the reason i can't still figure out.

Considering a lot of liberal women seemed to approved of Bill Clinton and where he keeps his cigars, one has to wonder if this election is more about him then her.  It goes to show how Hillary just stayed married so she could use the Clinton name to run for the White House.  That is the only thing she has to run on.

Van,

You still haven't reponded to my news. What do you have to say to Governor Patrick speech.

What really disappoints me with the McClurkin story is that Obama has asked his supporters to demand the firing of Tanner for his ignorant statements. These are 2 equally ignorant individuals who perpetuate falacies. However, Obama seems to be trying to score points with African-Americans by demanding Tanner be fired. He sure doesn't seem concerned in offending the LGBT community. I have been a long-time Obama admirer and supporter, but I find his handling of this indicative that he's just another politician trying to get elected. I was hoping for something more. If presidential elections have come down to who runs the best campaign, just as trials are about who argues the better case, then Hilary wins.

His continuing question: "What has Hillary Clinton done to deserve being President of the United States?"

Can you name them Van?

Hey Obama can not lose now, he is running the same campaign as Deval did in Massachusetts.
It worked for him!
I voted for him because he is a good looking black man. The Massachusetts legislators are giving him a very bad time.  It is a stalemate on the scale of our
Washington DC Congress.  Not much happening!

Hey Obama can not lose now, he is running the same campaign as Deval did in Massachusetts.
It worked for him!
I voted for him because he is a good looking black man. The Massachusetts legislators are giving him a very bad time.  It is a stalemate on the scale of our
Washington DC Congress.  Not much happening!

Van:

I used to listen to Air America so I could listen to the other side......

However the radio station here could make more money if they played mexican music then hot air........

By the way, did they ever catch the ring wing nutjobs that jumped Randi Rhodes? (snicker)

I do miss listening to Air America though.....
GREAT comedy, specially from John Elliot using the F word on the radio from time to time.

Jerry doesn't have to listen to Sean, he is Sean. I don't even have to scroll down to see who sent the post anymore, I can tell it's Jerry with the first three words. Get a new name Jerry give us something to think about when you post. You are sooooooo predictable or maybe just a Di#k. Everytime I read you I get happy you all have nothing important to add to the conversation, just like your party.

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