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A $2.4 trillion price tag

Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:00 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Kristin Wilson
Got an extra $8,000 sitting around?

If so, good -- because, according to the Congressional Budget Office's report on the costs of the Iraq War, the $2.4 trillion price tag over the next decade comes out to some $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in the United States.

CBO Director Peter Orszag met with some of the members of the House Budget Committee today -- 13 of the 21 Democrats, and 3 of the 15 Republicans -- with the ominous news that "it's clear under analysis that the nation is on an unstable fiscal path ... with the higher debt and interest costs, is going to cause severe economic dislocation, which are exacerbated by war costs."

Orszag said a big factor in the large price tag is the reset costs. Reset costs originally meant that the money would be spent to return military brigades to the same standing as before they were deployed -- i.e. fixing tanks and vehicles, or if irreparable, replacing them with similar equipment.

However, an additional CBO study found that, rather than repairing or replacing equipment, the military is upgrading or getting something new. Orszag used the example of the 120 M-182 tanks that are being requested with new funding. At the cost of "$5 million per tank, this cost is more than returning the damaged tank to its original state."

"If you fully fund these requests, the military will be in a better position in terms of equipment than before the war," Orszag told them.

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The cost of the war will put us in a precarious state. The chinese and the Russians are waiting in the wings for us to become a second class economy. Do we need anymore examples of the cliff getting closer!
Sounds like a good investment to me.  Get rid of Sadam and kill a few thousand jihadist for $8,000.  I'll gladly pay another $8000 to kill a few thousand more at about .50 cent a piece.
I'm sure the democrats will take it from the poor as well as the righ......
Another bill left for your children to pay. Sounds fiscally responsible to me.  
John S.,  they need wait no longer.  We will be part of China before we get out of IRAQ!
Our whole economy is crumbling and j and the Jihad Killer are thinking this is a good thing.
We are certainly doomed when you hear great thinkers like this, so many of them out there.
Can't anyone in Washington stop this madness? Where are all the protesters? Why aren't people marching in the streets? We are in a dead-end war that is bringing us to the brink of bankruptcy and decline. Our leaders are so corrupt, no one will stand up for the people.
"over the next decade...."

I don't think I like the sound of that.
With all the latest on the State Dept's private contractors and top level resignation.....and more cronyism.  No accounting, millions missing.

The Republicans are toast!  Toast, I say.
that will be a bill paid by the middle class, and not the rich.

here's what we ought to do to rid us of the crushing gop debt... tax unearned income over 100K a year at an 8% war bonus tax for adults, for minors all unearned income over 1K ought to be taxed the war bonus tax

this way those who gain the most from living in the USA can pay the most.
You would think real fiscal Conservatives would be outraged.
http://www2.oct27.org/brave_new_video

Fall Out Against The War - Oct. 27 - 10 Cities.
See you all in the Big Apple this Saturday.
Hope we can disrupt your day!
Have a nice War.
Yes, the military will be in a better position than before the war...but nothing compared to the military CONTRACTORS!!  These people are making out like the bandits they really are. Stark's statement should have been "for the benefit of the president's cronies."
No, Jerry, it's the repubs that take from the poor to give to all their rich friends!
Fall Out Against The War - Oct. 27 - 10 Cities.
See you all in the Big Apple this Saturday.
Hope we can disrupt your day!
Have a nice War.

Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:32 PM)


Where is it being held in NYC?


Van
This is part of a larger problem. The United States will be around $50 trillion in debt by mid-century.

America must slash benefits to Social Security and Medicare by over 50 percent as well as terminate the expansion and maintenance of its empire.

The alternative is to increase taxes by 65 to 90 percent.
Brad Lawrence, Pleasanton, CA - Dude, 10 cities this Saturday, Oct. 27.  San Francisco is one of them, so is L.A.  HTTP://www.oct27.org
Problem is MSM doesn't like to cover them for some reason. However The Daily Show might have a crew at one of em. At least it is from a network with integrity. Comedy Central.
So you got no excuse. You know where the action is, it is on a Saturday and if I remember right, Pleasonton is in the Bay Area. Come and help out.
I'll be in New York for it and I hope you lend a hand in SF.
BRING THEM HOME NOW!
Van,

go to
http://www.oct27.org
It has the route for NYC.
Union Square to Foley Square down Broadway.

Hope you can make it Van. We can argue about Senator Clinton. :)
I should be noted that this administration projected the total cost of the Iraq war at about 10 billion and projected an engagement of months, not decades.  

Anyone who believes a Republican at this point, honestly, deserves what they get.
What, me worry?
you can take it to the bank that anyone who is fine with this waste of money ain't paying taxes..oh I know you think you are but I'm guessing you are a tax filer not payer...and no doubt a flag waving faux patriot chickenhawk to boot
I lost good friends in vietnam, I lost a nephew in iraq. Same old war, different century. Are we going forward yet? Remember IKES warning about
military-industrial complex? remember the pheonix program, Taking over territory and then going back to base for evening chow so that the enemy moved back in same night, agent orange, government spying on the church peace activists, NIXON AND AGNEW, corrupt vietnam government making money off the war, american corporations getting oversized military contracts for more weapons and a state department that doesn't know diplomacy if it hid under their bed and came out every night to scare them into nightmares of domino theories. If you think about it, the neo-con idea of a democratic middle east is a reverse domino theory.
Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana

// Fall Out Against The War - Oct. 27 - 10 Cities.
// See you all in the Big Apple this Saturday.



Can't make it.  Have to work so I can pay the taxes for the social programs that take care of you sorry a** people that don't work.

// Hope we can disrupt your day!

About as much as a pimple on a elephants butt would.

Hopefully there won't be any attacks on NY that day.  Got that pretty much under control now that we have a real leader in office.  You don't have to worry about something like that disrupting your day, which appears is going to be the highlight of you life.
That's what comes from believing in the party of 'fiscal responsibility'.
The dollar is the lowest it has ever been against foreign currencies.  We are losing money in Iraq every day.  We send it over there, never to be seen again.  Sounds like a plan to me!!
brad, the protesters of the 60's are the blogers of 2000's. we in the 60-70's had protesting to an art form, rhetoric and slogans et al..  now committment is the internet and voting a convience not a responsibility. where's baez,dylan, pp&m,and country joe when you need them? we need lyrics of protest back in the charts again and then the masses will rock to the music. bush promised a 1.3 tril. tax cut in 2000 over a decade what he forgot to mention was given the opportunity to correct dad's mistake of not finishing off sadam he;d take twice the amount away and sacrifice us troops to boot.
Yee Haaa! First Bush destroys Iraq and now WE are next! The maniac is just getting started destroying the US. Go Georgie go! The absolutely, positively WORST PRESIDENT EVER and a HORRID human being.Bush and Cheney are going straight down, and unfortunately we are all being dragged down with them.
Van: Man you guys protest everyday. Nothing new. Please spare us the New York Liberal news.

Class Warrior: Just who do you think work for the government? Contractors. If you go to any base, even some of the secretaries are contracted. everything is contracted. You only know about the contracts that a disgruntled contractor brings to the forefront because he didnt receive it. ALL CONGRESSMEN want whatever vendor is located in their district to receive goverment contracts. Dont think for one minute that if Blackwater was HQ'ed in Vermont that Leihy would not be fighting for them. That is the way of the game.
You say cronies: I say in every profession or occupation its all in who you know. Don't you think when Clinton was president some of his partners back home got privledges that the ordinary man didn't? Don't you receive privledges on your job that I woldn't get if I walked up to your boss? Man that is life.
Making out like bandits: I had a plumber come to the house yesterday. He charged me 550.00 to repair a leak that took him all of 25 min. Now what do you call him. EVERYONE GOES INTO BIZ TO MAKE MONEY.
Gary-

I'd like that, seriously. I live on the UWS, so I'm only a few subway stops away. Any suggestions on how we find each other in a crowd of (hopefully) tens of thousands?
Are you going alone, or are you part of a group?
It's been too long since I attended an anti-war demo.
I did get arrested in Washington 35 years or so ago though...:)

Van
IntheMiddle, TX

Sounds like your roof is fixed.  Have we fixed things Iraq?
I guess the author of this story would rather spend $8,000/man, woman and child on medical benefits for illegals.  She's probably wondering where Clinton's "peace dividend" went.  Perhaps her children will be speaking Chinese or Russian after our troops get ripped apart when they go into the next "great" battle (there will always be another next great battle) with weapon technology that is 30 - 40 year old.
It would be a much better use of the taxpayers $8,000 if we gave it to some poor dem that cant hold down a job and does not pay taxes to begin with.
Dot: WTH does my sink has to do with Iraq? Always trying to find some way to tie Iraq into everything.
In response to "Jihad Killer and Loving it"...Hey, idiot, the price tag is $8K PER EVERY PERSON IN THE US.  Do the math!  You're only off by a factor of around 250 million!
karlos- Check out the grey hair in the crowds this Saturday. Time to push back the keyboard and get outside.
As far as the music, Check out Grace Potter and the Nocturnals. A little band out of Vermont with a new album  'This is Somewhere' and a new single called
'Ah Mary' (America). Google the lyrics but look at several of the sites. Some of them are censoring the last verse.
The Kids are Alright. But unfortunately it  is probably going to take 20,000 KIA to get their attention. That is why those of us that have been through this before and saw it coming this time 4 years ago need to stand up. If you are near one of the 10 cities, get out there and raise two fingers in the air like you mean it.
Will it help? Can't hurt.
IntheMiddle, TX

Sounds like your roof is fixed.  Have we fixed things Iraq?

Dot, Illinis

Getting there with Iraq.  Another democracy in the middle east will go along way to establishing peace in the region.  Bush can expect to get the Nobel Peace Prize in a few years for the effort.

What's troubling is the amount of money being spent on anti-poverty programs.  5-10 times more then Iraq for the same time period, and no end in sight to poverty.
I suggest all the right wingers who love the shrub pick up the tab.
Bravo for George W Bush's compassionate conservatism. In six short years this "Borrow and Spend" philosophy has succeeded in turning the US into a debtor nation.

I wonder if this is what Jesus would have done with $2.4 trillion!
I look at these comments and I am really saddened that people beleive that there is any good in George Bush and his cabinet.  I knew this would happen if he got elected.  I am a former Texan have been wroking against this Guy since he was owner or the Rangers in Texas.  No one listened to me then and look at the mess we are in now.  We will be glowing soon, in the future!
Van- Just my wife and I. We should be easy to spot. We will be carrying sign that depicts a 3 X 4 foot American flag held vertically. The 7 red stripes are formed from columns of names. The blue field contains a broken peace symbol.
It is really hard to get 3822 names on one sheet of paper.
If you find us we will march together.
Mike, Hermosa Beach; The Social Security gap could be over 50% covered just by lifting the 85,000 cap on income subject to FICA withholding.  The rest could easily be filled with a little tinkering here and there as long as we do it now.  Larry Rose, the Peace Dividend wasn't a Clinton invention, it was part of the PR that was claimed as Reagan's legacy for bringing down the Iron Curtain.  Now not only did we not reduce expenditures but we spend half of all the world's defense budget.  That would be twice the budget of the remainder of the top 10 (most of whom are our allies) and 20 times China.  Before adding in the Iraq war.  There's nothing on the planet that can begin to compete with any of our own technologies and we continue to work on new weapons systems.  That amazing military machine then tempted the arrogant neocons to believe we could just knock off sovereign nations at will and secular democracies would "bloom like wildflowers" (their words, not mine).  How's that working out so far?
We cannot afford to do what it takes to win in Iraq.  Our moment passed four years ago.  That is why we have to withdraw.  There is nothing worse than trying to fight a war halfway, and that is all Bush has done.  It is all Guiliani will do, and it is all that Clinton will do.
InTheMiddle, TX

My point was that you seem to have gotten something for your money.  I'm not sure our country has gained all that much from spending all that money in Iraq.

Wesley Reed, Baltimore, Md

I wish I felt that we are getting there in Iraq, but I'm afraid it will take many more years and lots more money to resolve the conflict in that country.  I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.
Don't forget the up to 100,000 civilians that had nothing to do with any of this but died anyways not because of Iraqi power structure but because of our military. Also dont forget that before we came there were no suicide bombings in Iraq..now they happen almost every day. And again more innocent women and children die because of our irresponability...
InTheMiddle, TX

Since the article we were posting about is about the price tag of the Iraq War, I thought mentioning the war in Iraq might be germaine to that article.
Did the reporter here edit out Afghanistan, or did the DNC do it for her?

What would the cost be if we brought them all home kept them on the payroll, and bought the equipment?
Let's put this 2.4 trillion dollar price tag into perspective.  That amount would pay for the building of 300,000 new elementary schools, or 200,000 new middle schools or 100,000 new high schools in the U.S. (as of 2002 there was a total of 94,112 public schools in the entire nation). It could pay for the building of 4000 new 400 bed hospitals (there are presently just under 6000 hospitals in the U.S. with an average bed count of 115) or could more than twice pay for the total needed to fortify or replace our bridges and tunnels across this vast country.  

And think of the jobs (with benefits) that we could create with this money to accomplish this construction and at the same time have the money channeled back into the general economy and into the infra structure (add all of that to the unnecessary $1.2 trillion tax cut - so important only to the very wealthy, as the top 2% of wage earners received 70% of the tax cuts - and think of the unbelievable good could have been done for our country).  The behavior of this administration has been mind boggling. It mirrors the political thinking of a hundred years ago, the last time when there was such a polarization between the rich and poor.

These statements do speak strongly for the need to change the nation's course.  We need an administration that will preserve social mobility by providing for good jobs and infrastructure.  

Barack Obama, who is not beholding to corporate interests, will be the agent for this change.  Barack Obama, who has a clear foreign policy that will use military confrontation only when diplomatic measures have failed, will lead this country in the correct direction (after this hiatus in hell) and help to repair the great destruction wrecked by the stupidity and myopia of this adminstration.  On the other hand, an administration headed by HRC would be bound to corporate obligations and have its vision obscured by old style thinking, making it unable to distinguish itself from the present intransigence.
Obama '08
If you find us we will march together.

Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana (Sent Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:54 PM)

I will be looking for you and the Mrs. I would be proud to march with your sign!


Van

Van
Hey Karlos,
"GIMME AN F, GIMME A U". you know the rest. I'm sorry I can't go to one of these protests, I got horses and cows and goats to take care of.
BE LOUD AND BE PROUD!!!!!!
Yeah some of you JACKOFF right blingers, we do work for a living, We are farmers and machinists, lawers and teachers, mothers and fathers who have lost a lot under your boy king, wages and children! In fact the democratic party has the more diversification than your party, oh yeah that's your problem with us, we are diversified. Thats what you get in a democracy! Eat me and the organic material my cows leave all you jagoffs who still support satan and his crew.
Can I include the $8000 as a loss on my income tax return like any other failed investment?
Gary Schear, new song by an old friend, "dirty old man"-Neil Young
Remember the $600.00 Toilet Seat?  It's now the $600,000.000 Toilet Seat. Ah...Defense Contractors.


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