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Iraq/Iran: Here come the sanctions

Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:27 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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The Washington Post broke the news. “The Bush administration plans to roll out an unprecedented package of unilateral sanctions against Iran today, including the long-awaited designations of its Revolutionary Guard Corps as a proliferator of weapons of mass destruction and of the elite Quds Force as a supporter of terrorism, according to senior administration officials… The new sanctions will empower the United States to financially isolate a large part of Iran's military and anyone inside or outside Iran who does business with it, U.S. officials said. The measures could affect hundreds of foreign companies by squeezing them to drop Iranian business or risk U.S. sanctions.”

The New York Times adds that this “is the first time that the United States has taken such steps against the armed forces of any sovereign government.” Per NBC’s Libby Leist, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson will appear jointly today at 9:00 am ET to announce the sanctions.

The New York Times also front-pages Giuliani’s foreign policy advisers, who include a Who’s Who of prominent neoconservatives. “Mr. Giuliani’s team includes Norman Podhoretz, a prominent neoconservative who advocates bombing Iran ‘as soon as it is logistically possible’; Daniel Pipes, the director of the Middle East Forum, who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps; and Michael Rubin, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who has written in favor of revoking the United States’ ban on assassination.” 

More: “Based on his public statements, Mr. Giuliani does not share all of their views and parts company with traditional neoconservative thinking in some respects. But their presence has reassured some conservatives who have expressed doubts about Mr. Giuliani’s positions on issues like abortion and gun control, and underscored his efforts to cast himself as a tough-minded potential commander in chief.”

As we've been saying for weeks now, Iran is the new Iraq in the Democratic primary. The Washington Post's Balz goes through the disputes between Clinton and the rest of her opponents and notes the struggles that Obama, in particular, is having in getting traction on this issue -- since he both supported a similar resolution earlier this year and then didn't vote on Lieberman-Kyl.

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what was it mccain said "bomb, bomb, iran"?  well bush the coward heard him and the bombs are ready to go, thats right folks another bush/gop war for oil and religion, so get your kids ready cause bush needs more human sacrafices to please his god.
We'll see how this flies with those republican leaning business leaders at Haliburton and Exxon...there is probably an executive order grandfathering FROG Friends of George and letting them keep on earning blood money while waving the flag too
this iran deal is becoming all too real, thanks hillary for your support of our insane dictator
How is that "handing Bush the tools of diplomacy" rationalization working out?

Also, Rudy needs to add a torture expert to his list of advisors to round out that rogues gallery.
The old switch and bait going on here.  Soldiers are still fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and we are sabre rattling on Iran.  Another request for more money for the battles in those two regions.  Anyone wonder why this is going on now at this specific time frame?  I am just a wondering individual here
Just as the Congressional Budget Office Director is saying we are "on an unsustainalbe fiscal path, something has to give" our president is getting us into another war. We are facing 9 trillion debt as it is. Saudi Arabia, China and Japan will own us outright.

Will this make us safer?

Iranian madman (and he Is mad, now, for sure!) already said he has 50,000 suicide bombers trained and waiting, if U.S. makes Any military move or sanctions against Iran.

Hello draft.
That saids it all that our country HAS NEVER designated a country's arm forces as a terrorist organization. Not even Hilter's SS was given that distinction. Leave it to these bunch of meglomaniac and sociopathic chicken hawks and you wonder why we are so despised around the world.  
Oh great welcome to world war 3, they already gave Bush the leeway to invade Iran... Iran said they would only attack us if we attack them or pose threats...

ughhhhhhh......... and people won't claim they won't vote for true anti-war candidates like Ron Paul, he's too out there...

well have fun getting drafted into war, and high taxes, and no social security...

I can't believe it...this is Iraq all over again. If this Iran push continues to go further the Democrats AND Republicans deserve to lose to a third party.
Just kick the Iran can down the road and let Hillary deal with it.
So if Bush starts bombing Iran....and Rudy and Hillary are the nominees....who do we vote for? Rudy because he supports it, or Hillary because she is against it but used bad judgement again by voting for it? (I voted for it before I voted against it.) I truly hope we have another option...and I believe that Democrats need to start thinking right now about providing that other option.
Unilateral sanctions, huh, and I had money against Bush on the go-it-alone approach.

I reserve judgement, but ultimately, I don't see anything changing.
Russia and China both blocked a resolution against Iran in the UN.  Will they honor US sanctions?  If not, what happens then?  
All you leftist freaks need to present your sorry a**es to the Revolutionary Guard and Quds Force for your annual pelvic examination for the treatment of STDs.  They are reportedly quite ready and willing to deal with you suckers/fools/idiots/quislings who wish to pander to them.  Take some cupcakes too...and maybe a few joints as well.
I'm starting to think the 2008 election is too late to make decisions on war...something needs to happen NOW to stop Bush once and for all. The guy wants to bomb Iran..just like he wanted to invade Iraq. They are never upfront about their intentions...Democrats need to stop cracking jokes and talking political. Time to get serious with the Bush administration and tie him down or they'll be explaining why Iraq is launching missles toward Isreal and deathsqauds are fighting our troops in Iraq.
Didn't we sanction Iraq and threaten them with war if they didn't comply? Look where that got us: the re-election of the most incompetent president EVER, and an endless quagmire of a war.

So what is the best way to get a Republican elected back into the White House? Start another war. It's their only chance.

It won't be long....
all war supporters there are army and marine recruiters waiting for you to walk the walk not just talk.
It's neocons such as yourself who are clueless. It started with Al-Qaeda (who are the REAL enemies), to Saddam Hussein, now its Achmedinejad (who is an elected figurehead) and Iran's army. It's one group after another who automatically become the next greatest threat to mankind just b/c the Bush admin says so. It's insanity that's what...and some chickenhawks in this country are willing to ride off the cliff with them. If anything, it goes to show the extent of irrationality some here in America can go to when there is a lack of leadership and with a out of control POTUS...McCarthy X 10. Since when in our history have we ever preemptively engaged in perpetual wars. Answer that. What are we Russia?
Bush is a moron,also his vp Cheney and America is hated more now for the wrong that they have done. Congress has also done nothing because they are all in each others pockets. It is sad to say this about the Great Power of America.
Notice that even our normal allies won't back us on this escalation.  That says they're more afraid of giving GW the rope to hang us all than they are of the status quo with Iraq even though they acknowledge that Iraq is a bad actor.  And now they're building a base along the Iraq/Iran border.  I still look for one of our "contractors" to get into a cross border fire fignt as an excuse to escalate into open warfare.
"They are reportedly quite ready and willing to deal with you suckers/fools/idiots/quislings who wish to pander to them.  Take some cupcakes too...and maybe a few joints as well."- well, "how I stopped worrying", who's daddy (and his master) sent both cake and missles to the theocrats in Iran. Hmmm. I wonder if you know?
CJ-BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First we arm them then we harm them?
Well the squeeze certainly won't be on the AMERICAN COMPANIES. The off shore AMERICAN COMPANIES will be doing a boom (or is that bomb McCain?) business as usual.  So how far are the lunatics in the WH going down this dangerous road? More BLOOD and GUTS!
How soon MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?
NUKE THEM! NUKE THEM FOR JESUS!
"All you leftist freaks need to present your sorry a**es to the Revolutionary Guard"


And all you cowardly psychopaths need to present your a@@es to the NATIONAL GUARD. They know how to deal with beak flapping chicken hawks who think war is great (as long as you don't get any closer than your TV.) Go on, you whining little physical coward - put your blood money where your stupid mouth is.
"NUKE THEM! NUKE THEM FOR JESUS!"

One of my favorite quotes about religion:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
If we learn anything from history it is that we better get ready for a sound thrashing. We are destined to attack Iran, Syria and Turkey for excellent reasons, albeit false but excellent. All dictators and fascist nations felt it was their duty to control the world. Every one was crushed and came to no good. It is now our turn. Enjoy while you can. There is a storm on the horizon.
Citizen J..Absolutely!

Also Connie has a face you can sing about...
YOU GOT THAT WORRIED LOOK UPON YOU FACE!
YOU GOT YOUR TROUBLES I GOT MINE!
Boy do we have trouble.
CitizenJ: What makes you think that they will not be nuking for Allah first?
Bush is urging Turkey not to attack the Kurdish terrorists because it would destabilize the autonomous northern Iraq;  and he should know how attacking a country with supposed terrorists will destabilize a country.  

Guiliani is preparing his future war plans to include the input from Daniel Pipes, a man who endorses Muslim profiling in all aspects of American society, perhaps he felt the Japanese internment camps were a high point in American history.

Hillary has promised not to remove the troops from Iraq until 2013.  She also endorses increased spending that ensures our currency will continue to devalue.  She has also avoided questions that query whether or not she will scale back the powers accrued  to the presidency that are unparalleled in history.  My point is, both the GOP and the Dems need a wake up call.  Don't support the status quo.  Listen and support someone who will get us out of Iraq, adhere to the Constitution, and stop the out of control spending that WILL cause dramatic future economic consequences.
Any remember how Rome declined and fell? Didn't it have something to do with being over-extended with foreign wars and occupations and a Christian takeover of the government?
If you are are referring to "NUKE THEM! NUKE THEM FOR JESUS!" comment, ask Typical crazy neocon (Sent Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:25 AM), as it is his/her quote.

But, if you want to know my opinion, all of this Iran bulls**t is for two reasons, both of which are partisan:

1) If people are thinking a lot about Iran, they will be thinking less about Iraq. And that is an advantage for the Republicans.

2) If Bush scares enough people into thinking that we or our allies are in danger of being hit with a "nucular" missile from Iran, those people will be more likely to vote Republican in '08. I think this because, as incoherent as Bush's foreign policy has been, Republicans are still seen as strong on national security.

Personally, I am a little worried about Iran gaining the capability to produce "nucular" weapons. Not by 2008, but sometime in the relatively near future. I also think that part of Iran's reasoning is that they have no idea what the idiot in the White House will do, and they have no idea what our Congress will give him authorization for, so they want to be able to retaliate - or at least deter.

I don't think Bush will invade Iran by November 2008. I think he will try to scare people into electing a Republican. I hope it doesn't work. If it does, we are screwed. If it doesn't, I think we will actually be able to negotiate with Iran once we have someone in the White House who still has possession of their sanity.
Don't underestimate Bush...that's what I think. I know people thing it's political and it makes sense. But the rhetoric and actions is nearly identical to how we went into Iraq. Cheney talking with 100% confidence of how the "international community" won't condone their actions. Who?? Guam?? Diplomatic relations refused...of course given the acidic environment, it's a catch 22. I would like to believe an administration has our best intentions in mind..but when it's based on solutions of perpetual warfare b/c you believe in eliminating every form of percieved evil..i can't support it. That's at the core of the neocon agenda and they have the finger on the button. The only reason they haven't pushed it b/c of lack of American public support...but whenever they think they have 40-45%..who says they won't do it.
CJ

I just have to add don't misunderestimate him either!

I think you are absolutely right--if public support for an attack on Iran increases or if a credible excuse can be found, President Bush wouldn't hesitate to go for it.  

    CJ, the President's pattern is pretty obvious, isn't it? He believes he has God on his side, has stated so, publicly, many times.
    He also believes it his mission to bring democracy to the world. Supposedly he received this mission from above after 9/11.
    I still think it is part of his father's,plan along with others,to create the New World Order.
...if public support for an attack on Iran increases or if a credible excuse can be found, President Bush wouldn't hesitate to go for it.

Neither would Hillary, but not many seem to see this.  In fact the neocons would rather see her in the Oval office than any of the lower tier Republican candidates who oppose war.  
"CitizenJ: What makes you think that they will not be nuking for Allah first? "

Because it would be suicide. Have you learned NOTHING from 40 years of cold war?

Why do you neocons present wild, hysterical, panty-twisted speculation on threats to us, but take an utter head-in-the-sand approach to how threatening we appear to the rest of the world?
Hmm? that quote is Lee Holmes's
Nuanced last time I was in Rome I remember hearing about that Rome thingy....:)
Does the chief idiot have to go to Congress to start World War 3  or does he just jump in whenever.....
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." - Fred Thompson
yah, I know.
Come on nuanced,  it was the gays, abortionists, ACLU, feminists, pagans that brought down Rome.

In the 1930's there was a Governor of Texas called Ma Ferguson.  They were debating bilingual education even back then.  She said,  "If English was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for Texas."
..and thats why you dont elect Texas governors to national office.  
RE: John B, Des Moines, IA said, Notice that even our normal allies won't back us on this escalation.

I was wondering if you always just make stuff as you go along.  Even France (you know, the country that was against the iraq war) is supporting our position.  I guess you missed statements like the following.

September 17, 2007: Paris sent another strong message to Iran on Monday, announcing that it would work to set up a European sanctions regime modeled on the one in place in the United States if the United Nations Security Council failed to agree on tougher measures to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program.

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I think Iran is buying time to prepare for war aming its self,it almost seems that there wantingthe us to attack them drawing us into a war that Bush cant afford to come up with the man power to start another war and bush giving them to much slack and time I think when we attack Iran is just sitting waiting to draw us in and then the push of the button were at World war three,just because we've waited to long and it may be already to late.
"NO NATION" has ever benefited from A PROTRACTED War--Sun Tzu 500B.C. Now Bush is setting our crosshairs on Iran(Persia).? I dont Recall ANY Nation in World History that has SURVIVED 3 CONCURRENT Wars for ANY LENGTH of Time. Bush should be IMPEACHED due to INSANITY.
Kenneth White you are correct that France is willing to cooperate with sanctions against Iran, but not to nearly the extent the Bush administration wants.  In particular the administration wants language that would clearly delineate that military action is an option if Iraq fails to comply.  Neither France nor any other nation has been willing to give Bush an avenue that could lead to war.  That's considerably different from making things up as I go along.  It's also considerably different from only telling the part of the story that's convenient, something that the neocons are particularly adept at.
hello canadian perspective/controlled language 1st/note/did you americansforget that russia was behindthe kennedy assassination/i as ayoung man supplied the DEW line[canadian far north]we did to9 keep noradinformed[wesnowshoed 800 miles/killed off timber wolves/we were@arereal men/like your courageousfirefighters/the idiot islamic world is beheading/exploding every where/there are 250,000 iranians in north vancouver/ready to createhavoc/mr. bushes military leader-mr.tommy franks stated-do you want to fight them here?/or there!!!!!!!!!WAIKUP/support the war machine-its getting plenty of exercise/you keep yor armour in order/oryou lose.note russias armour is a mess/iran is their PROXY-do not forget that/jdenishuggard/west vancouver/bc/canada/keep the spirit
Although I'm not from the US I feel like I am more patriot to your country than many of the people writing on here.  I agree that many things may not seem to be the best thing to do, but educate yourself on some of the countries the US is dealing with.  The US is a oil hungry country and if the US does not have oil or if the cost for oil is to much, than every US citizens lives would change for the worse.  Not to mention some of these countries increasingly show radical and extremist type behavior.

As for the whole war thing I personally think we are getting very close to WWIII which is a little freaky but I wouldn't be a bitch like most of you and not fight for my country.  Your country is your home and you should fight to protect if even if that means economically.

Take a look at the strategic position the US has over Iran.  The US has a perfect position to attack if needed.  They can attack from the left (Iraq) and from the right (Afghanistan) as well as from below (Sea).

People compare the US as with ROME and how ROME fell.  Well this comparison could be true, as all Empires eventually fall at some point.  

The comments about the dollar declining well your just not educated on economics.  If your dollar is very high than your exports are very low.  If the dollar is low than your exports increase.  A good business man knows when to speed up growth and to slow it down.  In this case the US is on a slow down as to much growth is not always a good thing.  Another benefit of having a lower dollar is the chance of local US jobs being out source decrease as the cost is almost equal now.

Well this is my rant and I hope some of you get some courage and start being more patriot to your own country.  Again I'm not from your country yet I probably have showed more patriotism than most of you.
    It's a moving finger, can't find bin Laden in Afhganistan nothing to bomb (Rumsfeld's) quote, move on to Iraq. Saddam gone in Iraq, mission accomplished but gosh darn that surge was necessary and those benchmarks laid down by us and the Iraqi government have yet to be reconciled.Oh well, we've always wanted to get our revenge on the mullahs in Iran, so lets focus on that.
    Moving targets, all part of the plan to reconstruct the Middle East to our liking. Funny thing, our allies, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have all been openly quiet about all of this.Keeps their monarchys in power for awhile to come.
    Very dangerous games being played out by very dangerous minds.  


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