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2-man race: Rudy v. the conservative?

Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:33 PM by Mark Murray

From NBC/NJ's Erin McPike
POLK COUNTY, Iowa – Romney this morning suggested that he believes the GOP primary is going to come down to Giuliani and a more conservative candidate.

“I think it's going to come down to two folks in my view if you look at what's happening with the nomination on our side,” he said of the Republican primary race this morning in an answer to a woman, who said she had left the GOP and asked what the Republicans can do to appeal to a broader range of voters. “And one of the two is going to be somebody who has adopted social issues that are far more like Sen. Clinton's. And someone who is in favor of or who has fought the line-item veto all the way to the Supreme Court." He added, "I don't think that's the right course for our party. It might help us do better in states where we might lose by a smaller margin. But we would still lose.”

Later with reporters, he backed off a little on insinuating that he sees the race as a two-man contest between him and Giuliani. He said he hopes he becomes the choice of the Reagan coalition -- the alternative to Giuliani. He pointed out that he has raised $5 million more than Giuliani, but his campaign later said it was closer to $3 million in primary dollars.

At the town hall, he also went into further detail on his aggressive stance on Iran, bringing up the back-and-forth in the Democratic race as a selling point for his own position. “I listened to both John Edwards and Barack Obama, and they were critical of Hillary Clinton, because she voted along with the rest of the Senate to sanction Iran with economic sanctions," he said. "Do the Democrats not understand that Iran becoming a nuclear nation. And Iran and Ahmadinejad, who call for the destruction of us and of Israel, who talk about genocide and are moving headlong into technology that could carry out genocide, that it’s not appropriate to sanction these people?” he asked. “I find it extraordinary.”

An older voter asked Romney what he thought about getting College Republicans together for a Halloween event on the influence of Hollywood on politics. “That’s a great idea. What do you think about ‘Hillary’s House of Horrors.’?” He gave a list of what he would like in such a house and added, “What the Democrats are selling is quite frightening as we approach Halloween.”

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Chuck, Mark, or Domenico,

Can you guys look into why I just got an email from Bill Clinton at the DCCC asking me to sign a birthday card to Hillary that says at the bottom paid for by the DCCC and approved by Hillary Clinton for President.

If you sign the birthday card it then takes you to a Hillary contribution page.

Seems a little wrong for the DCCC to be basically sending out a fundraising email for Hillary.
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
-Ronald Reagan
Oooh whip deedoo! confused and upset needs to delete what he doesnt like and then get a life.
Hey Mitt, there's more to this campaign than debate over the line item veto, your phoney and dishonest stance on issues, and album photos of your charming family. You, probably more than any other candidate (with possible exceptions of Tancredo and Richardson), are responsible for the dumbing down of this entire process. Given a choice between your brainless candidacy and Giuliani's dangerous one, I choose neither.
Hillary has the right idea the whole time. Thats gonna make her our next president. Good.
Ronald Reagan is dead and if President Bush has his way we will all succomb to the New World Order, advocated by his Papa.Ah, I see, all you on-line advocates of Ron Paul, gave him enough money to continue into the debates, nice distraction.
Just a note to say the new graphics are a real improvement.

The conservatives will eventually rally around one of the available choices and Rudy will go from front-runner to also-ran in a week.

Van
Neocons:  IF draft dodging cowards are your choice for a STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE, how can you possibly pass up a cross-dressing chicken hawk coward?
Neocons:  IF draft dodging cowards are your choice for a STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE, how can you possibly pass up a cross-dressing chicken hawk coward?
Curious minds want to know! (Sent Friday, October 26, 2007 2:22 PM)

Mr. G YOU SUCK AT COVERING YOUR OWN TRACKS - "G SUCKS"  YES YOU SUCK AND I'M BIPOLAR"  Nurse Betty where are you?
For the Halloween event how about:

Mitt full of Sh*t

or

Romney's Ghost of Romney (brainwashed)

On another topic, in reponse to the woman's question about what Republicans can do to appeal to a broader range of voters, Mitt's answer should have been:

Vote Democratic!

The lady had already left the GOP.  Most candidates figure out where the voters are headed and scramble to get in front of them! You're in the wrong party Mitt, time to face facts!
The rightwingnuts still aren't lining up at the recruiters to go fight those terrorists...tell you what, if you really really beleive iran is so dangerous then sign up and fight you pack of cowards...
vanreuter, NY NY / 'The conservatives will eventually rally around one of the available choices and Rudy will go from front-runner to also-ran in a week.'

 sounds like the same thing that is going to happen to the hillary after she gets thumped in iowa.
"Mr. G YOU SUCK AT COVERING YOUR OWN TRACKS - "G SUCKS"  YES YOU SUCK AND I'M BIPOLAR"  Nurse Betty where are you? "

You're something, that's for sure.  Better check your "sign" again, foil hat.
LOOKS LIKE MITT ROMNEY GETS $400.00 HAIRCUTS & A BLOW DRY,DOES HE USE THE SAME HAIR SALON AS JOHN EDWARDS
OR IS IT HILLARY'S ?
Obvious planted question. See FEMA newsconference for another recent example of typical underhanded Republican behaviour. If you can't trust them on the campaign trail how can you trust them once in office?

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An older voter asked Romney what he thought about getting College Republicans together for a Halloween event on the influence of Hollywood on politics. “That’s a great idea. What do you think about ‘Hillary’s House of Horrors.’?” He gave a list of what he would like in such a house and added, “What the Democrats are selling is quite frightening as we approach Halloween.”
I have no comment except to say that Charles Pierce's blog on Altercation was PRICELESS today about the Republicans in the race.  
One lie from a candidate & I'm done with him.  At a Romney event a man asked about the SPP (spp.org), and Romney said, "Oh, I really don't know much about that..." and QUICKLY took another question.  About 20 minutes later, as he was leaving, we caught up to him to let him know what it is (he SHOULD know!)... and here is a direct quote, "Oh, I know what that is, I just didn't want to talk about it."  In my book that is a LIE, and we already have way too many politicians who lie.
Mitt Romney can get $400 haircuts because he's a capitalist.
This story is badly written.
My coalition is dead, like me.
Clinton can't even control her husband, so how can she control the country.  Just another DUMBOCRAT
The many faces of a desperate Mitt Romney. Sorry pal, but the only Republicans voting for you will be your fellow Mormon fanatics in Utah.
If what the Democrats are selling is frightening only on Halloween, I can live with that...

What the Republicans have sold the last seven years and are continuing to peddle to our country is frightening the other 364 days of the year!
Mitt is the most disengenious & smug candiate I've ever seen....He wreaks of snobery & arrogance...

This article on Rolling Stone about him was outstanding, & it gives you a great insight to the FRAUD that he is....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16983679/mitt_romney_the_huckster

Excerpts:

"Even more telling was Romney's interest in a medical-testing firm called Damon Corp., which Bain bought in 1989. The company was eventually fined a record $119 million for defrauding the federal government out of $25 million, but Bain still tripled its investment on the Damon deal. And Romney, who was sitting on the Damon board at the time of the fraud (his claim that he was the one who called for an internal investigation has never been substantiated), made a personal profit of $473,000 on the deal.

In a delicious detail that says a lot about the nature of Romney's morality, the investor had no problem making piles of cash off companies that executed mass layoffs or defrauded the government, but he balked when asked to invest in a Bain deal to acquire a video distribution company called Artisan Entertainment. "I didn't want to profit from a studio that made R-rated movies," he huffed.
So when some starched-up, smooth -talking, TV-ready creature like Mitt Romney, who made his fortune laying off factory workers, walks onto college campuses and starts bashing cohabitation and having children out of wedlock, he loses young people who are tired of watching our leaders **** things up on a grand scale and then turn around and blame our problems on stoned teenagers".
"Clinton can't even control her husband, so how can she control the country.  Just another DUMBOCRAT "


Typical nazi - thinks people should "control" other people. (In your case, though, I'm tempted to agree - someone should.)
Rudy Giuliani has been embroiled in scandals, his 9/11 record is blotched.. just ask the firefighters that blame him for the defective radios, that he was warned about, which resulted in over 242 deaths...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17869046/

He later claimed that he spend just as much time as workers on ground zero, and didn't offer any kind of sympathy for the fact that they are suffering from illnesses, It was later found that he only spend 29 hours on ground zero, less then the time he spend at Yankee Stadium..

Then he was warned in 1993, after the first world trade center attacks to move the security office from the seventh floor out of the building in case of an emergency.. of course he didn't listen and look at the results..

He won't sign a pledge confirming lower taxes

And New York City’s crime rate being down attributes to police Commissioner Bill Bratton, Rudy had nothing to do with it.. “Bratton, not Giuliani, was featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1996.[54] Giuliani forced Bratton out of his position after two years, in what was generally seen as a battle of two large egos in which Giuliani was unable to accept Bratton's celebrity”

His co-chair has been quoted as labeling "blacks retarded," not to mention that Giuliani's main sponsors have been caught in money fraud, drug/prostitution scandals

Don't forget when Rudy was mayor he was already accused of racial profiling, and not even reading the 9/11 commission report

Contrary to popular belief he does not support gay marriage, only civil unions!

Rudy will privatize social security.

He has been married three times, including once to his cousin, and his own children won't even speak to him, his daughter plans to vote for someone else..

His solution is to the failing public school system is not doing anything at all. He wants to leave the option open for parents to chose public or private schools, but most middle-class Americans, cannot afford to go to private school. Instead of letting the system fail, why not improve it, our tax dollars are already paying for it!

The only viable candidate the republicans have is Ron Paul, say what you want about him.. but a pro-war candidate is unelectable... unless you want Hillary in office you better back him
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
JOIN THE MOVEMENT THAT IS TAKING THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD BY SURPRISE
To all of those who don't like Romney...I consider you to be religious bigots who are hiding behind miscellaneous detractions instead of confronting really why you don't like him (he's a Mormon).

Hillary wants to raise our taxes to 44% because she wants to continue the dole out to her constituents, Rudy will do nothing as president, and Ron Paul or Obama don't have the experience needed to be president.

So, who's left in the race?  Romney and Edwards.  If you listen to Romney, he has made changes to his thought process and beliefs based on his experiences.  Like with abortion, he was strongly anti-abortion until a close family friend died as a result of a botched, back room one.  He now realizes that there is a place for legalized abortions.  

I could go on in other areas too.  My biggest complaint with "shrub" (miss you Anne Richards), is that he will not change his position, even when the situation has changed.

We need someone who is a Leader not a politician who wants to be President to make a difference in this country.  The only ones that I see who fits that description are Romney and Bill Richardson.

Just strap your dog to the top oif your car like Mitty did and drive 12 hours on  a vacation  and you can run for President too..  Is this the best we can do ? I think not...  I am voting for Hillary
i didn't read the article. i don't need to. all i know is that romney is awesome and thats all anybody needs to know. sure hes mormon. sure im mormon but that doesn't make a difference does it?lol. living in a california community w/ tons of mormons, we are pretty nice ppl i have to admit(not bragging of course lol :)) we don't cuss, u wouldn't have to worry about a president on drugs or alchohol, we respect other ppls religions and customs. just about two weeks ago, i went to a ramadan dinner cause someone invited my family. it was very interesting. well, im off topic wat were debating rite now is whether romney is friggin awesome. he is so vote for him and not clinton cause clinton w/ her health care views will cut my salary in half.
I really don't want to see any of the existing candidates elected!  

Hillary and National Health Care scare me half to death.  The Republicans courting the bible thumper vote is enough to scare the other half of me to death.

I'm all about pro-choice in everything.  Want a gun?  Buy one, but if you use it to kill somebody then I fully expect you not to complain when you get the death penalty.

Want to marry a member of the same sex?  Go for it!  Not my choice but I don't see I have the right to limit your choices.  (Though I can see each church having the ability to decide who they perform ceremonies for.  Civil Unions shouldn't be a problem since the Government is in control of them and the Government really shouldn't care who we are sleeping with provided each person is consenting and of age).

I think we should elect the lawmakers that are going to give us the ability to make our own choices and force us to take responsibility for our choices.

I know, it's scary asking adults to be responsible adults, but I think the alternative is far more frightening.
The article was misleading.  I reread it several times and could not find support for the statement.

"Romney this morning suggested that he believes the GOP primary is going to come down to Giuliani and a more conservative candidate."

What he said was the alternative was someone who supports the line item veto. That is not conservative. The supreme court has ruled it unconstitutional so to support it would be radical not conservative. A conservative believes in the constitution.
I agree with Burke in Ft. Worth.  Romney isn't flip flopping as people might suggest.  The sign of a good leader is one who IS willing to change his/her mind based on evidence and experience.  That shows flexibility and humility.  Why would you stick with a position you initially chose when you have learned through experience or have been presented evidence that clearly refutes your original position?  Romney has common sense.  He is fiscally responsible.  He has the best ethics of any candidate.

I also agree with whoever said something to the effect of, "If Hillary can't even control her own husband, how can she control the country?"

Romney has the vision, the experience, and the sense to run the United States of America.  He will restore this country and its image.
is it bigotry?   why do other religion dont think mormons are christians.  they dont look into the mormon religion to see what is like.  stupity, ingorance,and tolerance has no place in society. we are living in the end times. these people deserve hilliary and wish they had some one better like mitt.  john dunkley  rexburg idaho
What we all too often forget during a presidencial election is that the president is not the top law-maker.  He (or she) is the head of the executive branch of government.  Laws are established in the legistrative branch.  Sure the president has veto power, but ultimately the authority to pass laws rests with the legistrative branch as they can overide that veto.

What we need in a president is someone who can lead the largest administrative staff in the world.  Think of it like someone running the largest business venture and the choice is clear - Mitt for President!  Hillary, on the other hand, has managed a staff of about 50.  She's not even close to being in the same league.  In fact, the only reason she's in the running is her popularity from being 1st lady.  Had Bill lost to George Sr. she'd be ancient history by now.
I find the medias approach to Ron Paul dissappointing. I am not much into politics but from what I have heard he is definitely the best thing for the United States if we want to remain as such. I have this odd feeling though that perhaps the upper echelon poised on both sides dont really have that aspect or goal in mind. That really scares me ALOT. Americans DO need to learn to be self reliant. I don't need the government helping me go to the bathroom. The only difference I have is that we as a society should help children and elderly more. Unfortunately though we are not living in Euphoria and people have to just come to realize that.
"I didn't read the article.  I don't need too."  What kind of a moron are you, Jordan Smith, to think that you don't need to read information beyond Mitt's campaign page to know anything about him?  I'm Mormon too, and I am DEEPLY convinced that he is the absolute worst candidate in the pool right now!  He was a dirty businessman at Bain when he bilked thousands out of their jobs to make profits, he lies and flip-flops on the campaign train, and he doesn't give a crap about the average American citizen because - shocker - he's too rich to know what we're like!  All he cares about is getting government out of the bank accounts of the wealthy.  Wake up, man!  Unless you're a rich California Mormon who will benefit greatly from his taxes...never mind Jesus' whole admonition to watch out for the poor.
My USW Union supports John Edwards.  I am Republican.
Should I change to Democrat?  Should I quit the union?
I keep hearing that people wouldn't vote for Romney because he's a "Mormon" (member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).  I highly suspect that a VAST majority who feel this way (e.g., Mormons aren't Christian, etc.) have no idea of what Mormonism is.  True, they don't follow the dictates handed down as the Nicean or Anasthesian Creeds, but they line up perfectly with the doctrines on God as set forth in the New Testament.  

I recently heard a wonderful Lutheran (Harvard School of Divinity, etc.) speak on how we should look at others: (1) Go to the source for information on a religion, not to its critics or enemies; and (2) don't compare the best in your religion with the worst in theirs; and (3)...don't remember exactly, but something about having a holy respect for truths found outside of one's own religion.  
I keep hearing that people wouldn't vote for Romney because he's a "Mormon" (member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).  I highly suspect that a VAST majority who feel this way (e.g., Mormons aren't Christian, etc.) have no idea of what Mormonism professes.  True, they don't follow the dictates handed down as the Nicean or Anasthesian Creeds, but they line up perfectly with the doctrines on God as set forth in the New Testament.  

I recently heard a wonderful Lutheran scholar (Harvard School of Divinity, etc.) speak on how we should look at others: (1) Go to the source for information on a religion, not to its critics or enemies (i.e., anyone whose livelihood may be threatened by what they perceive as "sheep-stealing").  (2) don't compare the best in your religion with the worst in theirs ("..you will know them by their fruits").  (3)...don't remember exactly, but something about having a holy respect for uplifting doctrines found outside of one's own religion.  

Speaking as one person, I want the Constitution to be defended.  If Romney can do this best, I'll vote for him; if Huckaby or someone else fills that bill better, he'll get my nod.  Anyone believing in a New World Order (Bush and Bush) or socialism (any Democrat in the government) should raise warning flags.  Unfortunately, such people hide their true intentions. Is there still any place in this world for honor and honesty?
Rudy vs. Rudy sounds like a great fight, will it be on ESPN?
With Mitt Romney running, it will be nice to vote FOR a canidate, then against one for once.
I usually dont vote republican, but with Hilary, I dont want to have to raise and PAY for everybody else's kids!  I paid for my kids health care, why should have  to pay for kids from Dead Beat sperm banks and women who dont know what birth control is.
If you have kids, pay for them yourself.
Besides, Mitt is the only guy who has the guts to speak out against Illegals, all the others must own a few of them theirselves!
               C H A R G E !
Romney has changed his position on EVERY major issue. It's not a matter of him changing his ideas because he's a good, flexible leader. It's been for pure political gain and necessity. Clearly, all politicians do this to a certain extent. But none has been so fluent at it than Romney. He's a smart guy. But if you think he has vision, you are mistaken. He is a good businessman with high-end political ambitions (for not other reason...). Period.
Romney has my vote 110%. There is something, dignified, honest and powerful about him. A man of great interity in a day when such are few and far between. I don't care what his religion is, except that he is non-wavering in it. The day he casts it aside for political gain is the day he loses my vote. His life speaks volumes of his character and abilities to do what he says he will do, and his commitment to serve his fellowman. I guarantee that he has given more of his time and talents (not to mention money) without compensation or even expectations of compensations than any other candidate from either party.  

I am really am sick of the ripping he gets. I bet everyone of you men commenting about his hair are bald beerbellied libs that would crawl home sucking your thumb before you ever put yourself out there to fight for our countries freedoms.
Also I guarentee, you don'tknow enough about his religion to fill a pill box. How shallow.
Complete ignorace.
Go Romney! You have my vote a hundred times over.
In my opinion you are the man!

Bush is the very best thing that has happened to the Democratic party in the past 7 years. Instead of attacking the worst president that this country has seen in its history, the ostrich like Republicrooks are beginning to tear each other to pieces. They act as if their house and senate seats are safe, when in reality they know that they are going to lose both houses BIG time. It is going to be President H.Clinton, there is not a single Rep. candidate that could give her a run for the Presidency with the exception of Ron Paul. He will never wind up being the Republican of choice because he tells the truth. The Republicans love liars,and from the top down, they have more than their fair share of them. Can't wait 'til one of them has to debate one on one with H. She is going to rip him apart.
Democrat, Republican or independent,
Before you vote for Giuliani check out the link below. Or go on youtube, search for "Giuliani cross dressing". Are we so disparate? Can not find anyone has a bit more integrity?

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=rudy+cross+dressing&spell=1



The Swiftboating of Hillary Clinton has begun.  It will mean her downfall.  Check out You Tube and Fox for the preview of a new documentary.  The Clintons have a closet full of disgusting criminal activity that Swiftboaters are going to exploit and eventually take her down.  She will try to adroitly explain away, with the help of the networks and major news organizations, her criminal activities without success unless she can lawyer-up and shut them down in court so the truth does not come out.  She will try the usual Clinton tactic that worked well on Starr, etc. of personal destruction but it will not work this time when a lot is riding on it.
Romney will be best on energy and economics. As the dollar continues to fail against the Looney and the Euro, we better get serious about exposing the Green Wash Lies of Ethanol -- WE NEED LIQUID FUELS IN THIS COUNTRY FAST! Oil Shale. Coal To Liquids. Better vote Romney or you will be walking as Hillary panders to the ethanol crowd. She won't have the balls to show up in Utah and Colorado with a massive oil shale support despite $5.00 gasoline. Vote Romney or pick a place to park your car -- for good.
yeah lower taxes for the people who have enough money to afford them, then who is going to pay for this dammed expensive war? more taxes on people who can't afford to eat or keep warm or buy gas to get to work? oh yeah we don't need to drive to our jobs that aren't going to be there anyway,unless it's a job catering too the rich, tax exempted few???
Hey Adam P, you just described Ron Paul, the only hope for America.


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