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Oh-eight (D): 'Turn the page'?

Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:08 AM by Mark Murray
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“In a reversal from past election cycles, Democratic candidates for president are outpacing Republicans in donations from the health care industry, even as the leading Democrats in the field offer proposals that have caused deep anxiety in some of its sectors,” the New York Times front-pages.

CLINTON: Something that may sound good to Democrats in a focus group may have gotten Clinton some unneeded bad press. The Des Moines Register gets scholars and experts to critique Clinton on her promise to begin sending distinguished Americans around the world, even before she's inaugurated -- which some argue could undermine the sitting US president. (After all, Clinton -- more than any other potential president -- knows better than most of the potential for one president to handoff an international crisis to another. Did someone say Somalia?)

By the way, check out this quote Clinton gave to the Des Moines Register: "Obviously, these are somewhat unusual times," Clinton said in a Des Moines Register interview. "The country is ready to turn the page on the failed policies of the Bush administration. The world is anxious for that to occur."

"Turn the page"? Wonder what Camp Obama thinks about that!

The Concord Monitor: Madeleine Albright tells the editorial board that when a new president takes office, “any international leaders will be rooting for the restoration of America's credibility.” And she “offered a spirited defense” of Clinton’s ’02 Iraq vote.

From her stop in Harlem, the New York Daily News has this headline, “Hillary Clinton shines at Harlem's Abyssinian Baptist Church.” “[I]t was the boost she got from her husband, former President Bill Clinton, that seemed to wow the crowd” as they “packed the famed church, a venue long considered a can't-miss stop for pols hoping to win black support.”

Apparently, Gerald Ford believed Bill Clinton is/was a sex addict, the New York Daily News reports. "‘He's sick -- he's got an addiction. He needs treatment,’ Ford told Daily News Washington Bureau Chief Thomas M. DeFrank, author of ‘Write It When I'm Gone: Remarkable Off-the-Record Conversations with Gerald R. Ford.’” And Betty Ford told DeFrank in 1999 that Clinton was “in denial.”

DODD: With four sitting senators running for the Democratic nomination, it's always interesting when a key litmus test vote comes up. The Mukasey confirmation vote strikes us as an interesting test now, even though it didn't seem so at first, since Mukasey was someone Chuck Schumer recommended. On Meet the Press yesterday, Dodd became the first of the four presidential-running Democratic senators to come out against him. This should play well in the blogosphere, since the most noise Mukasey's confirmation hearings made were on the issue of defining torture. Now, what will Clinton do since her fellow New York senator is such a Mukasey fan? Obama? Biden?

A Clinton spokesperson says no decision has been made but notes, she has said that she has concerns with some of the answers he gave during his testimony.

Here’s the transcript of Dodd’s interview on Meet.

EDWARDS: In his speech today in New Hampshire, Edwards will say, per excerpts the campaign gave First Read: "It's time to tell the truth. And the truth is the system in Washington is corrupt. It is rigged by the powerful special interests to benefit they very few at the expense of the many. And, as a result, the American people have lost faith in our broken system in Washington, and believe it no longer works for ordinary Americans. They're right.” More: “I believe you cannot be for change and take money from the lobbyists who prevent change. You cannot take on the entrenched interests in Washington if you choose to defend the broken system. It will not work. And I believe that, if Americans have a choice, any candidate who takes their money - Democrat or Republican - will lose this election.”

The Washington Post has a "no respect"-like profile of Edwards and his campaign in Iowa. This graph stood out to us: "Edwards has been coming on tougher in debates, [Iowa supporter Leslie] Pomerantz says, but maybe people can't tell when those moderators direct so many questions to Clinton and Obama."

The Portsmouth Herald: “Elizabeth Edwards told a room of supporters at a house party Friday afternoon that the prognosis for her cancer is positive and not a campaign issue.”

The AP: Edwards wants drug companies to have to wait two years to advertise new drugs.

The Edwards campaign does a good job of getting guerilla-type media. For instance, they picked a fight with Stephen Colbert about who is the REAL South Carolina native.

GORE: Bloomberg's Al Hunt has a great Al Gore column today. "Al Gore won't run for president this time. Still, whoever does assume the office in less than 15 months will face the presence, the shadow, of the former vice president immediately. If it's a Republican, then the Democrats, having snatched defeat from the jaws of near-certain victory, will have two options: suffer a nervous breakdown or turn to Gore as a savior. A Democrat, especially front-runner Hillary Clinton, whose sibling rivalry with Gore during the Clinton presidency endures, will confront Gore as a watchdog on national security, foreign policy and energy and environmental matters. It may be the most intriguing intra-party dynamic since Senator Robert F. Kennedy and President Lyndon Johnson four decades ago."

KUCINICH: The congressman used his New Hampshire filing press avail to hit his foes on the war. "If you really oppose something, do you fund it, give it hundreds of billions of dollars? You see, he cannot square that and he'll never be able to square that and this is the difficulty he has with his candidacy," Kucinich said of Obama.

OBAMA: In an interview with the Des Moines Register, Obama "seized on the increasingly pointed debate about U.S. policy toward Iran to suggest that restraint should be the preferred diplomatic tool. “‘Typically, we have made our biggest blunders when we overreached militarily,’ the Illinois senator said…  ‘And we have had our greatest foreign policy successes … where we showed restraint,’ he said, referring to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis and the 1991 Persian Gulf War. ‘And I think that is important as we consider how we approach problems ranging from Iraq to Iran.’”

Today, Obama will participate in a town hall at Cedar Rapids and then in the MTV/MySpace forum.

The Washington Post's Pappu writes on Obama’s gospel tour and the bigger effort the campaign is making to reach out to religious Democrats. "The events themselves seem to straddle a strange line between political pep rally and old-school revival. At the first two concerts, Obama appears by video offering his regrets for his non-attendance and thanking those who've come. At the Greenwood event, a video is shown that begins with Obama's convention speech in 2004 and then retells his life story.  In North Charleston, a video display of a speech given by Michelle Obama in Iowa gives rise to calls of ‘You go, girl!’”

The Boston Globe’s Helman looks at the role Michelle Obama plays on the trail. The Washington Post's Pappu writes on Obama’s gospel tour and the bigger effort the campaign is making to reach out to religious Democrats. "The events themselves seem to straddle a strange line between political pep rally and old-school revival. At the first two concerts, Obama appears by video offering his regrets for his non-attendance and thanking those who've come. At the Greenwood event, a video is shown that begins with Obama's convention speech in 2004 and then retells his life story.  In North Charleston, a video display of a speech given by Michelle Obama in Iowa gives rise to calls of ‘You go, girl!’”

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Kucinich doesn't understand that Obama's unwillingness to cut funding when Democrats were a minority was to retain political capital in order to push the issue when Democrats gained the majority,  and could actually do something about it.  The entire effort of Congress to withdraw our troops over this last year revolved around the exact dates Obama suggested in his January Iraq bill, and that's not a coincidence.  Had Obama gone for broke on the issue in 2005, he would not have had the standing to bring people together in the Senate to coalesce behind those timelines; instead, he waited until the American people had spoken, the President had defied that mandate with a troop surge, and the Democrats were in control to have a shot at doing something about it.  Timing is everything.  The fact that Kucinich doesn't get it is testament to the fact that despite his agenda being more ambitious that Obama's, he would get far less accomplished as President, because far fewer bills would ultimately get through Congress and passed into law.  

You have to stand by your principles, but that also means picking your shots.  There's no sense in supporting a symbolic statement (which is what opposing funding in the 2005 GOP controlled Senate would have been) at the expense of potentially making real progress in the future.
What does Obama think, because Clinton lifted his line? Probably the same Biden thought when she has taken policys he put out almost a year ago as "her new proposal", or when she stole Richardson's line from the August ABC debate in DM, the "with me you get experience and change", or when she basically copied Edwards health care plan that he released in feb.

What is more important is whether voters will notice that she has no ideas of her own, or any true convictions. Sad, truly sad!
I wonder what would have happened if Bill Clinton was not at that church in Harlem......?

Under the American constitutional system, we elect presidents for four years - no more, but also no less," said James Lindsay, director of the Robert S. Strauss Center for International Security and Law at the University of Texas at Austin. "Presidents-elect should not exercise their authority before they have it."  Wise words; she can go out and save the world starting January 20 2009......

However, in order to do this, she has to win first!
And Hillary is going to pay everybody's airfare, since they can't use government funding till her inauguration....IF she wins......


Apparently, Gerald Ford believed Bill Clinton is/was a sex addict........
That is nothing new, we all know that.......
Going to be interesting to see how Hillary Clinton handles Sexual addicts when she has her won living in the White House....


The Portsmouth Herald: “Elizabeth Edwards told a room of supporters at a house party Friday afternoon that the prognosis for her cancer is positive and not a campaign issue.”
The AP: Edwards wants drug companies to have to wait two years to advertise new drugs.....

I like how First Read puts this one behind the other.
So in other words, if there is a new drug that will cure breast cancer, John Edwards doesn't want it advertised for two years?????  His wife might be dead by then.....And then he will be blamed for that.

Al Gore better just pack it up and forget about being President.  His movie will be the dagger in his back during the debates.....















People are dying. You don't weigh politics; you stop the dying. I don't have any respect for anyone who would put the safety of their political career above the death of thousands. Yes I do expect them to sacrifice their careers for the country; people are sacrificing their lives for the country. No one is irreplaceable.
Turning the page, that's what it's all about isn't it?  The trouble with Hillary is that she's on the same page with Bush and we can't tolerate 4 more years of the same ol', same ol'.  It's time for a new approach to foreign policy.  Diplomacy first with re-establishment of our standing in the world community.  That's what gives us real strength, not reckless military actions that leave messes worse than before they were started.  Obama is the one to lead us with the new approach, diplomacy first and military action as a last resort.  That's how all military commanders prefer to use their fighting forces, in every nation and all through history.
Obama '08  It is more than a feeling.
health care industry knows who the winners in 08 are going to be and are jumping on the bandwagon, can you say GOOD-bye repubs.
more words from the unwise jerry.  finally learning to just scroll over his nonsense.
Is it any wonder, she has NO, ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, idea's of her own, other than to take other's statement's & call them her Original's. The voter's who have been paying attention & the ones just starting can already see thru that empty glass.
Jerry, I like the last empty page of your written thoughts the best. Just and empty page....nothing from you is best.
"It was the boost she got from her husband, former President Bill Clinton that seemed to wow the crowd."

Something about that bothers me, because it often seems that Senator Clinton is running more on her husband's appeal to voters than her own. I think the distinction between who is actually running for President is often intentionally blurred.

I can't put my finger on exactly why that is troublesome to me; if she is elected I am sure President Clinton will be a powerful advisor, and she will be President, but one has to wonder who will be making the final decisions with respect to policy for the US. Will Mrs. Clinton have the title and Former President Clinton have the power? And if that should be the case, is that okay?


The trouble with Hillary is that she's on the same page with Bush...
Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY (Sent Monday, October 29, 2007 10:08 AM)

That's a claim that you repeat incessantly without ever backing it up. That's because it isn't true.

Which policies of the Bush administration do you claim that Clinton will continue? Stop mouthing platitudes and bumperstickers and provide a little substance.

Please provide some proof of your claims as to which Bush policies Clinton would continue.


Van
Hey First Read, since Colbert is beating both Richardson and Kucinich, and Undecided is leading in the Republican race, don't they deserve some mention on your blogs?
"Please provide some proof of your claims as to which Bush policies Clinton would continue."

It's hard to say since she is usually vague and refuses to "engage in hypotheticals".

If you want to know her policies, here are some links to follow:

http://www.barackobama.com/
http://www.joebiden.com/
http://johnedwards.com/splash/
http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/
Jerry I agree with your comment at the bottom of the page.
Did she say turn the page? Another phrase from Obama.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

First, she hijacked Experence + Change from Richardson now she want hijack turn the page.

She is so bankrupt of idea  she can't come up with her own cliche. Sorry madame clinton, that phrase belong to Obama.

We are ready to turn the page on Bush-Chenney lyte policy of the clinton.
Come on Van, do you like sucker punches?  I refer you to her vote for Iraq authorization of force resolution in Oct. of 2002, her nay vote on the Levin/Reed Congressional oversight amendment (Oct. 2002) and then to her yea vote for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment of September 2007.  The latter, again, showing (a flat learning curve) how Hillary trusts the president to 'prudently' use a Congressional resolution condoning military action to combat the Iranian terrorist organizaiton 'The Iranian Revolutionary Guard'.  Of course the problem is how the president's propaganda team might be able to use this resolution to support Darth Vader and the neocons'in their launch of another offensive.  And as her campaign staff defended the vote, as a positioning for the general election, I had to wonder about the principles of one who casts votes that determine the life and death of our fighting forces and determine our standing in the world community, based on her political positioning.  It's shameful.  

And man, I back up my accusations all the time.  It's just that you don't pay attention unless someone is debunking the inevitability factor of your sacred aggregate national polls.  BTW, Univ of Iowa poll shows Obama only 2 pts. behind Hillary, imagine that! Even though I have to say I am not sure how one can interpret these polls in a caucus state.

Van, everyone knows that you're a smart guy.  Explain how you can march against this war and support Hillary's candidacy.  Your turn, you back it up.  And I'm not buying that it wasn't a well executed war because whether it was successful or not (and it was a doomed venture from the start), it was absolutely immoral from its inception.  

Also, as an aside, her not putting anything on the table to fix Social Security until 'we first exhibit some fiscal responsibility' is utter avoidance (more of the same fiscal irresponsibility seen with the present administration).
Don't tell Mama, I'm for Obama '08
Obama '08
Van is the smegma of the Clinton campaign...
At the Iowa State Fairgrounds, he was first to address the rapt crowd, promising to make "just a couple of points" before bringing on his wife. And for once, he actually meant "just a couple," at least by Bill Clinton standards. The former President spoke for just over eight minutes in a role carefully designed by Senator Clinton's strategists, recounting her long history of public service leading up to the Senate, calling her "by a long stretch, the best-qualified nonincumbent I have ever had a chance to vote for."

With the crowd duly warmed up, Hillary Clinton took the stage for 25 minutes, dwelling on her biography and on her major issues (health care, environment, education, Iraq, international leadership and, as always, experience). She attacked the alleged corrupt practices and cronyism of the Bush White House, just as her husband did 16 years ago with a different Bush.
Playing the proper candidate spouse, Bill Clinton performed a subtle version of the fixed eyes and adoring nod. But frequently he rested his face in one of his oversize hands, looking—depending on one's perspective—captivated or faintly restless.

The crowd seemed similarly ambivalent. About eight minutes into her speech, some started to get distracted, holding audible conversations, even moving away from the stage rather than angling forward. The moment highlighted the risk of following the former President's act. Bill Clinton sounds intimate and conversational when he's discussing energy policy. Hillary Clinton sounds like a policy wonk when she talks about her mother's childhood struggles.

When Bill Clinton speaks, the women go wild and everybody is straining to hear what he has to say.

When Hillary Clinton speaks, the crowd breaks off into conversation or moves away.

This was a story in Time magazine over the summer....

This proves without a doubt that Hillary cannot survive a national race without either her husband or the name.....

Now you have the answer as to why they stay married.




Geraald Ford was just trying to drum up business for the Betty Ford Clinic.  Wonder wny he didn't say that about Sen. Vitter  and Larry Craig?  Oh thats right, they are pervert Republicans.
If you think we've scared the hell out of you and your children with propaganda about Global Warming just give us a chance to use terrorism to keep you in line.
GAB:

In case you didn't know......

Gerald Ford died before those two had their problems.

You just stick with your pervert president......
Jerry Jerry Jerry,
I Pity you, you are the reason the party of the right is wrong so many times. Like Pat, I will scroll past your sillyiness from now on, I'd rather watch the Hollywood news minute, at least I learn something. Al Gore Ain't running, so whats the point, oh yeah your people don't need to make a point, no one is listening including your Value voters who will sit out in droves. We all know where this is going, we just have to wait for it to happen. Hiding your eyes from the political reality is all you really have anymore. Blinders are beautiful.
Political marriage will only beget another Monica Lewisky's scandal couple with Viagra. I just don't see how she can be trusted with our nation.

Perhaps, with Viagra Bill Clinton can go after another intern. What would "so called" Madame president do? Send him out of the white house.
I look forward to our new President telling the world that there's a new group of leaders (including real diplomats) coming.  January 2009??? No way.  imo, November 2008 isn't soon enough.
GAB, I hear Austin lost its Err America station. Things are looking up there.

The times is surprised that people are donating to the party they think will win? That's almost as rich as the Times, a model of nepotism for centuries, deriding John Podhoretz' appointment at Commentary, as nepotism.


Has moonbat Dennis said anymore about the UFO he saw at Shirley mcClain's house? Wonder if it was just some good sensi...
HAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEH! ah, yea bee, and Hillary will win with this tactic. Its called P O L I T I C S. What a shocking idea!
Lek,

We can't trust Hillary with the highest office in the land. We know she is going to sell it to the highest bidder just like Bush sell it to the Texas Oil taccon.

If you want change vote for someone else.
"HAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEH! ah, yea bee, and Hillary will win with this tactic. Its called P O L I T I C S. What a shocking idea!"
Susan, Miami (Sent Monday, October 29, 2007 1:24 PM)

Susan,

That is your problem. Un-original ideas combined with issue-dodging is your type of politics. Why don't you stick to your sickening songs of praise for Van, as it appears that this is what you are good at.
CitizenJ, why don't you stick to your criticism. That appears to be what you are good at. Love your comments Susan.
You know Air America is on the outs when you can't even stay on the air in Austin Texas, the most Liberal city in Texas.  And just like here in Corpus Christi, they lost out to Spanish speaking radio.

I guess that little publicity stunt they tried with Randi Rhodes and John Elliot didn't work.
Susan, Miami do you embrace every idiotic thing that Hillary does just because you love Hillary?  I admire your fidelity but your ability for intellegent assessment is severely lacking.  In fact you sound just like those lunatic Bush supporters who will stick with him through thick and thin.  Your life-partner should feel comforted.
"CitizenJ, why don't you stick to your criticism. That appears to be what you are good at. Love your comments Susan."
Sidney, Pa (Sent Monday, October 29, 2007 3:48 PM)

Thanks, Sidney. It is always nice to hear compliments.

It is not surprising that you love Susan's comments, as they are harly ever made up of any actual information. It is easy to love comments that simply follow the cookie-cutter pattern of "Go Hillary!", or "Hillary will be the next president so you guys should just get over it."

I would compliment you on something that you are good at, but you have provided less information about your views than Susan has, so I have nothing but assumptions. Maybe the next time a logical Clinton supporter posts something rational that actually provides some reasons for support, you can throw out an "I love you [insert name here]! Keep posting!" Then I will have something to work with.
Citizen J you are such a crybaby.
We support Senator Clinton BECAUSE!  WE need not explain why to YOU! WE like and agree with EVERYTHING she says and does, if you do not so be it.
Rant and rave and play the superior "we want proof of your fidelity", well it ain't gonna happen.  We owe you nothing!
President Cliton I love YOU. DITTO SUSAN!
obama is the only one i can really trust in all this.  i hate to say it, but there is no way i can vote for hillary with her horrible divisive nature.  she just doesnt have the experience bringing people together to get any issue resolved.  just see how her health care bill fared a few years ago.  totally because she wasn't prepared to face the oposition it would receive and get the other side involved.  she is not the right person for the job.
Good point HP. Love Hillary and Susan,Miami. You too HP. Enouph said CitizenJ.
Elizabeth Edwards cancer is a death sentence and all John Edwards can do is think about attacking Hillary Clinton to try to save his own sorry political hide.


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