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First thoughts: Obama steps it up, again

Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:14 AM by Mark Murray
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro

*** Obama steps it up -- again? How much was the Obama New York Times interview -- in which he told the paper he would begin to step up his criticism of Clinton -- was simply about keeping donors on the reservation? Strategists will tell you that there's no faster way to speak to your donor base than thru the Times. By the way, it wasn’t the first time Obama said he would begin contrasting himself with the Democratic front-runner. From the August 15 Washington Post: "Consistently trailing Clinton (N.Y.) in national polls, Obama (Ill.) has sought recently to draw more explicit contrasts between his views and what he has portrayed as the conventional thinking and behavior that have caused problems for the country, especially in the rest of the world. He did that again in the interview Monday afternoon, defending himself against criticism from Clinton and other Democratic rivals for a series of statements on foreign policy and arguing that Clinton's foreign policy views risk continued international perceptions of U.S. arrogance." Is that Post interview from August evidence that, deep down, Obama doesn’t want to go after Clinton the way his supporters and the media want him to? We’ll find out for sure tomorrow night.

*** Great expectations: Obama has clearly raised the stakes for his performance at Tuesday's MSNBC debate at Drexel. The downside to those raised expectations: What if he fails to land a solid blow at Clinton? That could be how the media covers the debate, from the perspective of whether Obama puts her on the defensive or whether she swats him back. Just in time for tomorrow’s debate, a new University of Iowa poll shows that Iowa is a dead heat for the top Democrats. Clinton is at 28.9%; Obama is at 26.6%; and Edwards is at 20%.

*** Two or three presidents? Here’s an interesting preview of what could end up being the longest general election in this nation's history. Giuliani yesterday took Clinton to task over a promise she made about sending envoys around the world to fix the country's international reputation -- the day after she wins the election. Said Giuliani, "The danger is that you have two presidents conducting foreign policy, one with all the power and no moral authority, and one with no power." What Giuliani is touching on is a problem we've identified numerous times about the frontloaded calendar: the possibility of not two presidents -- but really three (the current one and the two nominees). It's a governing nightmare for the current president, but it also could become a political nightmare for the eventual GOP nominee, unless he is able to paint the Dem nominee as undermining the government (as Giuliani attempted with his critique yesterday). Because if this doesn't work, it'll mean the GOP nominee will be constantly stuck between defending President Bush or criticizing him. That’s not a great choice.

*** Mistakes were made…: However, Giuliani’s critique of Clinton was yet another clever way for him to passively admit "mistakes" -- without owning up to any specific ones. Giuliani said he wasn't "criticizing Senator Clinton" for promising to send envoys as president-elect or "charging her with anything." Instead, he wanted to offer her a chance to correct her statement. "I know I make my own set of mistakes, and I wish I could correct things I've said... Let's give her a chance to explain what she meant and withdraw it," Giuliani added in a conciliatory tone, per NBC/National Journal’s Aswini Anburajan. Giuliani has dealt with his supposed personal problems very deftly to date by constantly owning up to making "mistakes," making any future revelations all part of the "mistake" umbrella.

*** McCain’s disadvantage in Iowa: It’s too bad for McCain that the Iowa GOP's caucus rules are so different from the Iowa Democrats’. McCain probably scores well in the second-choice category with Iowa Republicans. The problem is that there's no "threshold" system for the Republicans, meaning every caucus is a simple straw vote. Without the opportunity to coalesce second-choice supporters -- a la John Kerry and John Edwards in 2004, when Dean and Gephardt didn't make the 15% threshold in some caucuses -- it makes Iowa that much tougher. Still, second place in Iowa appears to be completely up for grabs, and McCain may have little choice.

*** Sports metaphor time: After last night, we have to ask: What if the Democratic primary fight turns out to be as interesting as the World Series? So many of us are convinced that the Clinton- vs.-somebody-else dynamic will happen because it always does. Then again, sometimes a veteran team waltzes into the World Series and simply sweeps the hot newcomer. (Of course, the Sox found themselves down 3-1 to Cleveland in the ACLS; Clinton has yet to face that kind of adversity.) Also, can Mitt Romney take heart in the juggernaut that is the Boston sports scene? Sure, he likes to disavow his Massachusetts credentials, but let's face it: Boston apparently is for winners right now -- with the Red Sox, and even the Boston College Eagles. Will Massachusetts add Romney to their list of winners come February 2008?  Finally, with the Red Sox season at a close, look for renewed speculation of Curt Schilling entering Republican politics. There are still some Republicans holding out hope he'll retire and run against John Kerry.

*** On the trail: It’s a busy day in New Hampshire, where three presidential candidates -- Edwards (at 8:30 am ET), Romney (at 12:30 pm), and Thompson (at 2:45 pm) -- officially file to be on the ballot in the state. Edwards, who’s in the second day of a four-day swing through the Granite State, also gives a speech today in Manchester, in which he will rail against corruption in Washington and a political system that doesn’t work for the people. And in what appears to be the longest concerted effort he has made in ANY state to date, Giuliani spends virtually his entire week in New Hampshire (sans one short stint in Connecticut to pick up an endorsement). Elsewhere today, Obama begins his day campaigning in Cedar Rapids, IA before holding an event in Charlottesville, VA.

Countdown to Election Day 2007: 8 days
Countdown to Iowa: 66 days
Countdown to New Hampshire: 71 days
Countdown to Michigan: 78 days
Countdown to SC GOP primary: 82 days
Countdown to Florida: 92 days
Countdown to Tsunami Tuesday: 99 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 372 days
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Before we trumpet the Red Sox world series victory as an omen for Romney, remember that the Red Sox also won the series in 2004.....did John Kerry a lot of good didn't it.
Go Hill! We love you and will campaign hard for you until election day!
That would be interesting, Curt Schilling V John Kerry
A winner VS a loser.....
Kerry hasn't had much of a fastball since he got whipped by President Bush.

I don't know why anybody would be conciliatory
to Hillary Clinton.  You throw her a bone and she just shreds the meat of it and wants more.  Obama better hurry up and go after her.  I can think of several questions for Hillary Clinton at the next debate:

1.  Senator Clinton, you have ordered your papers at the warehouse in Little Rock sealed until after the 2008 race.  What are in those papers you don't want the world to see?

2.  Senator Clinton, lately you have been in trouble with money bundlers from Norman Hsu to Mauricio Celis. Isn't it about time you starting checking to make sure you don't have criminals on your campaign team?

3.  With Democrats promising to punish successful Americans with all sorts of nonsense style tax rates that will hurt the middle class as well, one has to wonder if all these gimmicks you have proposed will be be accepted by the democratic congress.  Can you guarantee the American people that unemployment will stay below 5% during your four years of a Clinton White House?

4.  And finally Senator Clinton, How are your policies going to help Chinese dishwashers who make $21,000 a year, yet contribute thousands to your campaind coffers?
"It's a governing nightmare for the current president"
-- it has been a nightmare for the whole country so Bush is welcome to the club as long as he doesn't whine too much.
This Jerry guy is one of the last 22% still backing crazy Bushman. DOH!!
Jerry I'm sorry your Colorado Rockies lost the World Series .. I see you continue to be on the losing team. I love the way Hillary continues to get your underpants all tied up in knots ...go hillary go!
I love how we start with the fact that one of the best candidates in the race needs to step it up before he gets knocked out of it and the conversation degenerates into Bush bashing. Proper reporting is point / counter-point, not point / Oh My God Bush Is Going To Eat My Baby!!!!

Bush is not that big and scary, he is not the cause of inflation, e-coli, or cookie crumbs in the bed sheets.

If we spent half as much time looking into why Clinton does not want records released and idiotic statments from Congress against our allies as we do on the big scary Bush man, we might just get someplace.

Once again, wake up sheeple. Clinton is the same as Bush, just a different coat of paint. How about we change this bloated pig we call the government and make some progress.
1) Jerry why do you keep writing mindless drivel?
2) Jerry why are you so obsessed with Hillary?
3) Jerry why are you so obsessed with Chinese people?
4) Jerry why are you obsessed with BJs?
5) Jerry, you are disgrace to Texans.
America is waiting for a candidate that tells us the truth: how much of our policies are hijacked by zionist lobbyists, how much of our money is spilled in safeguaring Israel and how much credit and trustworthiness we loose internationally by supporting Israeli terrorism. I do not think Obama has the guts to be this candidate, but any change in that direction would be of paramount importance to the future of our children. Right now only Bush clones like Clinton, Romney and Giuliani are supposed to be frontrunners in the candidacy. That means 4 more years of neglecting our housing, our education, our health care etc. etc. only to spill trillions of dollars with protecting Israeli interests. America wake up before it is too late for our children. Bush and his clones destroy SCHIP and defend ISRAEL.
Two sides to the Clinton diplomacy issue.  One side what Giuliani is saying is exactly what Reagan did with the Iranian hostages, deliberately delaying release of the hostages until the day of his inauguration and keeping the Carter administration out of the loop to make himself look good.  On the other hand if Clinton does not state some plan for improving the international situation she will be...and along with all the other Democrats already is being...attacked for not having a plan.
Hillary R. Clinton will be the next president of the US.  There it is ... short and sweet.
Remember what Bush said to the people of California "tommorow will be a better day", We all know that will be true. 08 will be a new day, Bush goes home to cut brush, Cheney will be happy to go home and kill fish and hunting partners, Condi will write a book on how none of this was her fault, value voters will split up into smaller and smaller sects, diplomacy will again be used efectively, business will again have confidence in the government to create real policies that meet the needs of our country and we will again gain stature around the world as a country that is level headed and reality based. George knows he has become irrelevant and that continued fear mongering has worked before so he continues to use the old devide and conquer strategy, but it is no longer resonating with the general electorate. He has made himself and his party irrelavant. FDR was right "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". It is halloween, time for the republican party to put on new masks.
dems will win in 08 in a clean sweep, then the gop whinners will really have some whinning to do.
F U MSNBC you're the problem.  The media has sold out  it's ethics for bottom line budgets and profits.  Sensationalism and Catchy headlines are more important than the actual issues being discussed.  Why else would you be more obsessed with Obama "landing a blow" to Clinton?  He has been running on the idea that this negative campaigning has been so devisive and harmful to America that he is going to put an end to it.  And when he doesn't come out swinging and he actually lives up to his promises do you report on that?  No of course not, those aren't profitable headlines are they?  No instead you waste all of our time, showing us the soap opera part of the campaign.  It's as if you want to turn the serious issues that are plaguing this country into an episode of The Real World or some other falacious teen drama show.  
More conservative goverments in Europe and else where, but yet the myth continues that the world is moving away from America. Well I keep hearing it from the MSLM so it must be true.
If Jerry is any indication of the people who still support the republicanistas then we have very little to worry about in the general election. 1 in 5 value voters don't have a candidate to support,independants have left the party in droves, no reagan democrats to be found on the planet, hispanics voting for the dems, big business pushing money away from the republicnistas and Jerry having no point to make that would bring people to vote for his candidates. Jerry is on the same page as his party 'say the same thing over and over and over' trying to make lies into reality. Our eyes are open and we see you for what you are, a ghost of your former self BOO!
They begin to shake in their boots as the G-man continues to rise in the polls.  Ultimately he will cut off the head of the Hillary beast and save the world from the apocalypse.  Sorry G but the only thing Hillary is going to win is the Democratic primary.
Hey, Jerry, howcum Bush The Son padlocked via executive order Bush The Father's papers that were scheduled for release?  Don't wanna talk about that, do we?
of course obama steps it up again.  isn't that what he's been doing from the start?  waiting till the time is right and doing whats appropriate?  not these knee jerk reactions all the other candidates take.  busy condeming news paper ads instead of working on anything valuable to the country.

go mr obama!
We badly need the Clintons in office again to undo the enormous damage this administration has done to this country and the world. Elect Hillary Clinton!
Hmmmmm....

Now that's something that has not been discussed.....

Israeli terrorism?.......

Considering it is the rags that are dumping missiles into Israel each and every day kind of makes me wonder why Israel doesn't use it's full military and finish wiping the morons off once and for all.

When Hezzbollah decides next time to pick a fight with Israel, Israel should wipe them out to the last man, woman and child and then we will see if Iran is tough enough and man enough to come after Israel....

Might be a lot of radiation in Iran after that war....

Apparently Mr. Murray is not an NFL fan.  The Patriots have crushed every team they have faced this year, most recently beating the Redskins 52-7 yesterday.  Brady has an astounding 30 TD passes in only 8 games, while only throwing 2 interceptions.  Boston sports fans have many reasons to celebrate right now.  

But back to the topic at hand.  Does Boston even claim Romney?  There are always a lot of posts from people in NYC regarding Rudy and how disliked he is in the Big Apple, but I don't see many posts from people in MA about Romney.  I wonder what people there think of him.  
Matt, Houston:

You've sure got it totally correct re Jerry--I think he's got a Hillary fetish!

Wake up all of you Sheeple, Dumbacrat & Reflublican.
You are being led back and forth by the two party scheme. The government is no longer of, by or for the people. It is a government of the government, by the government and for the government. We need Americans in government not right & left wingers. Repeal the 16th Amendment and our government will shrink to a manageable size.
You right wingers and left wingers don't get it, Hate Bush, Love Hillary. Love Bush, Hate Hillary....did it ever dawn on you that neither one is any good? you are ponds in the governments 2 party sheme to keep you occupied whiel they tax your income and blow your money. Vote for an Independent if you can find one!
Ralph Baum
Alliance, Ohio
Many of us gravitated toward Hillary, early on, thinking that she is the most likely democrat to be elected president.  And she is quite articulate on a number of subjects near to our hearts.  But she is also prone to being pigheaded, as is GW, and militaristic, as is GW, and lately that worries me.  I dread a continuation - four more years of political gridlock - this time under a democrat president.

So, I am more interested in John Edwards and Barac Obama as candidates.  I hope Mr. Obama is able to gain some traction against Hillary.  He is not going to win a beauty contest.  So if that is going to happen, he is going to have to trumpet substantial separation between he and Hillary on an issue that resonates with liberal/ populist/progressive Americans.

I do not see any domestic issues on which there is visible, substantial separation.  It must then be foreign policy.  

Barac Obama needs to articulate the case against GW on Iraq in a way that Hillary is unable or unwilling to. He needs to strike a chord with the democrat base that brings them to their feet.
Finally an article which demonstrates the true dominance that Edwards is showing in the polls. The only reason he has been losing in the general polls is because no one is paying any attention yet, and hardly any positive news or even substantive news discussing his policies has been presented. There has been a huge bias on every channel, putting down the Edwards campaign, focusing on his haircuts, focusing on his wealth. So far the media has shown their ability to dumb us all down to where everything is a dumb story intend to speak right to the gut. 'Oh he makes money and wants to help the poor' he's a hypocrite. Please there are no more messiahs and in order to help the poor these days you need to have the resources to do so. 'But he gets expensive haircuts.' Let's pretend for a second that this matters the least bit, why don't we know how much Senator Clinton or Governor Romney pay for their haircuts, I guarantee you it is over $100 more likely $200. 'But it's a testament to his character.' No it's not. It’s a stupid talking point put forth by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh to try and diminish his candidacy in they eyes of the common man. Why? The vast right-wing conspiracy now is Hillary, sorry Hill, it's the truth.

Corporate interests and the right-wing want Hillary because she turns out the Anti-Bill, semi-retarded values voters (as if bjs were at all important to American life and our status as a super power). It's not her fault, but it's true. For that reason Hillary Clinton is the GOPs only chance for a close race.

Edwards wipes all the GOP off the map in the head to heads. For that matter so does Obama. Right now Edwards and Obama are blocking each other in polling. All I have seen are pathetic subjective analyses of where their voters go as a second choice. I'll tell you this that virtually all Edwards voters would go Obama before Hillary, and to a lesser extent the opposite is true as well. That's why the Iowa caucus will once again knock off the presumptive nominee. The second and third place will band together and knock off ol Hillary or at least I hope Edwards and Obama are smart enough to do so. If they were we'd have Presidential dominance for 16 years Edwards first and then the inevitable victory of Vice President Obama in 2016. Please Hillary go away for the sake of the nation. We need a sure thing now. We need a new course.
The fireworks don't lie in the presidential papers of George HW Bush, they're in the Reagan administration.  The reality of Iran/Contra was about to come out and the GOP had to keep it swept under the rug.  Ancient history?  It would be if not for the fact that the party continues to try to be "the party of Reagan" and that many if not most of the perpetrators in Iran/Contra remain active within the party and in some cases hold or have held positions within the GWB administration.
Dan G in Pepsi Cola, I'm going to take a long shot at this and assume that you are a big fan of Fox News ....give this I will share the last two Bush Poll Numbers from them...

Sept 11 - 12 , 2007  Bush Approval 37%
Oct 23 - 24, 2007    Bush Approval 35%

Not sure what poll number you're looking at amigo but Bush is SOS on the numbers ...same ol sh*t ... BTW when Jimmy Carter left office .. his approval rating was 34%.  Maybe there is hope for the G man ...he can always try for a Nobel Peace Prize ... LOL

Dan face it the GOP Titanic has sunken and you and Jerry are the lone survivors ...
Obama 08  - he is the only candidate you can really trust
This is the final stretch of the camapaign and people are ready to pay more attention. It is high time Clinton started answering all those questions she laughed off. No more HA!HA!HA!

I expect media to do their job and press her for more answer. Obama and Edward should go after her on substance but no personal attack like Monica lewisky.

Folks start your engine and lets get ready to rumble. No more Bush-Clinton dynasty. We need to turn the page
Hillary R. Clinton will be the next president of the US.  There it is ... short and sweet.

If HC wins, the only thing 'short and sweet' in the White House will be the interns Bill has lined up at his office door.
Wow, jerry at 10:32.  You really are a lying, hypocritical, sexist, egotistical, racist bigot.
You guys will really just find any way to spin an Obama story to the negative....  
For 94 years, since 1913 we have been living in slavery economically to our Government. Income tax is illegal and it is what has made a gluttonous pig out of our government. Lets stop bickering and press congress to pass a referendum to repeal the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. No more IRS, April 15th comes and goes, no taxes to file and take home your gross wage. But hey! who is listening. The silence is deafening so our government grows bigger and more tyranical as its socialistic agenda is advanced.
Jerry, thanks for that scary post from you...and just in time for Halloween.  It's views like yours expressed in your post that makes me glad your vote is wasted in a wasted in state like Texas.
Lost in the shuffle is an answer to Jerry's questions. If we dislike Bush's paranoid secrecy, why should we ignore Hillary's?
My God, just stop spewing and vote your conscience.
Now, How about posting Sept and Oct's approval ratingings of the Democratic Controlled Congress since the Dems took over.. suprise the party that was elected to end the war now has lower approval ratings than GWB. OUCH!!! Hmmmmmmmmmm So where is the salvation and believe me people are in no mood as the polls show
jerry/corpus christie, tx..."Kerry hasn't had much of a fastball since he got whipped by President Bush."............

**Apparently you never read the final tally, jerry. The popular vote margin between Bush and Kerry was all of 3%. That's the smallest amount by which any incumbant was ever re-elected. Not exactly the "whuppin'" you give Georgie-Boy credit for.

jerry/corpus christie, tx says....."1.  Senator Clinton, you have ordered your papers at the warehouse in Little Rock sealed until after the 2008 race.  What are in those papers you don't want the world to see?....."

**...and the question that we should be asking "Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P." is..."Rudy, why were the terms and conditions of your divorce from Donna Hanover sealed from public view?"

jerry/corpus christie, tx said..."2.  Senator Clinton, lately you have been in trouble with money bundlers from Norman Hsu to Mauricio Celis. Isn't it about time you starting checking to make sure you don't have criminals on your campaign team?"...

**...and the question(s) we should be asking "Gigolo Rudy 'G'" is/are...."Rudy, why was your mayoral campaign FINED for accepting monies beyond the limits prescribed by N.Y. State law; why are you conducting fundraising activities for your Presidential campaign in London, England; and finally, why won't your campaign give monies back that were either contributed by, or arranged for by Alan Fabian, who was recently indicted on 23 counts including Mail Fraud, Bankruptcy Fraud, Perjury and Obstruction of Justice?" (oh and speaking of criminals in people's administrations jerry...why was Bernard Kerrick appointed Police Commissioner by Gigolo Rudy 'G' and why did Giuliani recommend him for Chief of Homeland Security?....hmmmm?)

jerry/corpus christie, tx said....."3.  With Democrats promising to punish successful Americans with all sorts of nonsense style tax rates that will hurt the middle class as well, one has to wonder if all these gimmicks you have proposed will be be accepted by the democratic congress.  Can you guarantee the American people that unemployment will stay below 5% during your four years of a Clinton White House?"

**...and the question we should ask "Rappin' Rudy 'G' The Gigolo of The G.O.P." is..."Why did you raise the commuter tax on people who travel into "The City" for work everyday, and do you think that's the reason why so many companies have moved out of New York?"...

jerry/corpus christie, tx said.....4.  And finally Senator Clinton, How are your policies going to help Chinese dishwashers who make $21,000 a year, yet contribute thousands to your campaind coffers?

**...and the question we should be asking ALL of the republiCANT candidates is..."Would you restrict U.S. Citizens from contributing money to Democratic Candidates' Presidential Campaigns, simply because they come from CERTAIN ethnic or cultural backgrounds? If so...isn't that BOTH a violation of their 1st amendment rights, and all out RACISM?

*** VOTE FOR FREEDOM, VOTE FOR AMERICA, VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR HILLARY! ***








<<Hmmmmm....

Now that's something that has not been discussed.....

Israeli terrorism?.......

Considering it is the rags that are dumping missiles into Israel each and every day kind of makes me wonder why Israel doesn't use it's full military and finish wiping the morons off once and for all.

When Hezzbollah decides next time to pick a fight with Israel, Israel should wipe them out to the last man, woman and child and then we will see if Iran is tough enough and man enough to come after Israel....

Might be a lot of radiation in Iran after that war....
>>

Jerry, you're sounding an awful lot like Dick "Nuke'em First" Cheney. Do you -really- want WW3 starting in the Middle East? I would have to believe that, given the countries aiding Iran in their nuclear ambitions, there'd be a lot more involved in this war than simply Israel vs. Iran.
While I am clearly in Obama's camp in terms of who I'd like to see as the Democratic nominee, if Edwards is capable of pulling out a win in Iowa and/or New Hampshire (his message really resonates well in both states), I can see myself voting for him as well. I recently saw him in a couple of interviews, one-on-one and his positions both domestically and internationally are very much in line with what I believe.

I just wish one of them--Obama or Edwards--would grow a set and take Hillary head-on in regards to her voting record and her recent statements about both Iraq and Iran and the continued sabre-rattling she is engaging in while at the same time talking about "change" and how she's use diplomacy first. Her definition of diplomacy apparently includes fatigues and an M-16 assault rifle. To me, that sounds no different than the imbicile running the place now.
"Lost in the shuffle is an answer to Jerry's questions. If we dislike Bush's paranoid secrecy, why should we ignore Hillary's? "


If you're going to blindly accept Bush's use of the Constitution for butt wipe, why does anyone else bother you?
Would somebody please get Ralph Baum some aluminum foil?  He needs a new hat.
"Income tax is illegal and it is what has made a gluttonous pig out of our government. Lets stop bickering and press congress to pass a referendum to repeal the 16th Amendment to the Constitution."

Ralph,

You do realize that your second sentence implies that your first sentence is meaningless, don't you? If we would have to repeal an amendment to make it illegal, that means that it is, in fact, legal.

And why would we want to get rid of the income tax? Without it, we couldn't build all those big, scary weapons that are doing such a good job of defeating the terrorists.
and John B, you are an idiot. How was what Jerry stated racist? How was he lying? He stated his opinion of two sides in a war and the FACT that Isreal is a bad hair day away from killing a lot of people. I am no fan of a lot of what Jerry posts, but really, learn to logic jacktard.

Oh yeah, BTW Ricardo, the Dem congressional job approval rating for 10/12 - 10/24 is 24.7% . The whole government, both sides, need to realize that they are no longer the solution, they are the problem.

So what can we do? Start putting up logical points that may or may not support your arguements and lets sort this mess out, otherwise just admit you watch American Idol more than CSPAN and stop lowering the collective intelligence of the rest of the world.

Put up both sides and if you cattle following your party lines find out that you may be wrong then admit it, learn from it, and change your position.
Dan G in Pepsi Cola, I'm going to take a long shot at this and assume that you are a big fan of Fox News ....give this I will share the last two Bush Poll Numbers from them...

Sept 11 - 12 , 2007  Bush Approval 37%
Oct 23 - 24, 2007    Bush Approval 35%

Not sure what poll number you're looking at amigo but Bush is SOS on the numbers ...same ol sh*t ... BTW when Jimmy Carter left office .. his approval rating was 34%.  Maybe there is hope for the G man ...he can always try for a Nobel Peace Prize ... LOL

Dan face it the GOP Titanic has sunken and you and Jerry are the lone survivors ...
Ricardo in California (Sent Monday, October 29, 2007 10:50 AM)

NEWS FLASH!!!! Ricardo all that smoke has got you light in the head.  Bush isn't running in '08 my friend.  The G-man (That's Rudy) is going to put a reality check on the easily manipulated liberal left.
John in Des Moines, Iowa writes "Wow, jerry at 10:32.  You really are a lying, hypocritical, sexist, egotistical, racist bigot. ... John don't blame Jerry he's just being a republican ..
*** Boston sweeps series, George Bush still sucks !
A recent gallop poll as of Oct 4th thru the 7th showed the dem controlled congress's job approval rating was at 23% approved and 71% dissaproved. This is the Congress that Dems promised would end the war in Iraq and would accomplish much in the first 100 days. Their approval rating is worse than Bush's. Hillary voted yes to the war based on the same flawed Intellegence reports as Bush. So how can anyone vote for her. I would not vote for either a dumbacrat or reflublican. Hillary will win in 2008, I'm so sure of that, but it will be more of the same as Bush just trading a right winger for a left winger. The government will remain gridlocked and nothing gets done. Congress is the body that is suppose to get things done and it will still be a loser in the ratings. WORSE THAN BUSH, how can you go any lower.


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