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What are the politics of hope?

Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:09 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Yet ANOTHER memo… this one from Mark Penn, Clinton’s chief strategist. We noted this morning that the Clinton campaign posted video of Obama talking about the politics of hope and Edwards talking about not attacking Democrats back in his 2004 run. And now the Clinton campaign is trying to grab the “politics of hope” mantle, saying in the memo, “One candidate is defining the ‘politics of hope’ while the others are abandoning them.”

One thought though: are Obama and Edwards really not allowed to point out differences with Clinton? That would certainly be a plus for Clinton if everything is off-limits. Is it going to be off-limits for her to criticize another campaign or “point out differences”?

Here’s the full memo:

To:   Interested Parties

From: Mark Penn, Chief Strategist

RE:   What Are The Politics of Hope?

There’s been a lot of chatter lately about the “politics of hope.” But what does the term mean? What are the “politics of hope?”

Does the “politics of hope” mean launching attacks on one candidate? Or does it mean laying out a vision for the American people? Does it mean questioning a rival’s integrity? Or does it mean talking about the change we need?

The Clinton campaign believes the “politics of hope” should be about outlining how our candidate will reverse the policies of the Bush Administration and give America a new beginning for the 21st Century. That’s why Senator Clinton has spent the last few months detailing:

- Her plan for ending the war in Iraq.

- A health care plan that provides coverage for all Americans and that builds on the present system.

- A middle class economic plan that rebuilds the road to the middle class by making our economy work for all of us, not just some of us.

- A plan to make college more affordable by expanding the Hope Tax Credit and Pell grants.

- The American Retirement Security Accounts to enable people to save for retirement and take those savings from job to job.

- A plan to expand the Family and Medical Leave Act and provide a better work-family balance.

- How she would use aggressive diplomacy to avert war and deal with Iran.

Contrast that with the campaigns of our two leading rivals, both of whom made their names by promising a “politics of hope” and have now abandoned that promise.

Losing ground in the polls, Senator Obama announced over the weekend that he will abandon the politics of hope and attack Hillary in tonight’s debate. Senator Edwards, who rose to prominence in 2004 by eschewing attacks on other Democrats, formally announced last night that he is going to attack Senator Clinton’s character.

Considering that both Senators Obama and Edwards made their names by pledging to be positive, the last thing one would have expected was for either of them to go out and announce with pride that they were now going to go negative on a fellow Democrat. It’s unprecedented in my experience.

Of course, Hillary will not hesitate to set the record straight on the issues that opponents raise about her. But as we move deeper into the Fall we are seeing the clear contours emerge:

One candidate is defining the “politics of hope” while the others are abandoning them.

Want to guess which one?

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This is just Hillary's attempt to spin the debate in her favor before it happens.  

Oh yeah, this memo is an attack on Obama and Edwards.
WHO WANTS TO TELL 'LEK' THAT 'GEORGIE' ISN'T RUNNING FOR POTUS!?  
I think Cheney will also prefer the "politics of hope" being defined the same way as Hillary. That way nobody will be allowed to question him and he can do anything. And when someone dares raise a question, he can say "aha! that's not the politics of hope!"
Any republican candidate will be better than Hillary Clinton. As worse as George Bush is, i prefer him to Billary Clinton
Van

Did that article you cited give Senator Clinton's current position on Social Security?
Am i expected to believe Dan Balz another washington insider? The answer is no. The clinton will do anything to distort facts.

Here is the critical question?

Clinton now owes it to voters to explain her own stand on social security -- and to provide a clearer sense of just how amenable he would be as president to endorsing a bipartisan solution that ultimately would entail dealing with both benefits and with taxes. He needs to say what is now on the table and what isn't.

No more triangulation
Van,

Your article does not tell me what Clinton's position is on social security.

More fluffs from you and your belt way boys
<<Van

Did that article you cited give Senator Clinton's current position on Social Security? >>

Beat me to it!

Also, don't you think that in 6 months, there is plenty of time to have talked to people and discussed various proposals and see what it is the PEOPLE want. No one wants the system privatized. No one wants their benefits cut. It is common sense to see that all Obama has done is taken the ideas that are the most popular and most doable and made THOSE his position.

Hell, at least he HAS a position on how to save Social Security.
So Hillary, or any candidate who is the clear frontrunner, is above criticism by the competition? What kind of stupid approach is this trying to win a POLITICAL race. Please people, support who you want. But don't insult other people's intelligence. You sound bad.
whaaa, scream, cry, stamp foot, whine, boo hoo! Oh nooo, little hillary to be our president!!! Get a grip you big assed babies. She'll probably be our president and do a damn good job at that. What a bunch of cruddy crybabies. Vote democratic or we'll get Guiliani. Close your eyes and imagine that JOKE.Boy oh boy, Carville is right, what a group of dumbasses.
I haven't heard anything more specific than Hillary from the plans of Obama or Edwards. All they keep spouting is warm and fuzzy rhetoric. Yes, we're all going to be living in a new world, another paradise with birdies singing and ya-de-da-da-da. Although I like the guy, but Obama's already shown his inexperience and this is just a campaign trail - what's gonna happen when the bad guys come after his butt from all angles. We don't need another leader stuttering, stammering and making a fool of himself to the world, only to get stepped on and trampled. Because he's a nice guy - too nice. Same for Edwards. Example - Jimmy Carter another wonderful fellow, but he was Mr. Niceguy President and we all paid.
van writes / 'John Edwards, for example, has proposed keeping the current cap at $97,500, excluding wages between that and $200,000 and then applying the payroll tax to wages above that level.'

it seems odd to me edwards is the only cadidate that has actually stated what he intends to do on every issue, and yet is the only candidate that recieces no credit for his openness. I will still be voting for edwards, he is the only candidate that can win the general election, and I believe he is the only one that truely gives a damn about this countries future.
I am telling you, Clinton has so many issues, you can even see it from the YouTube thing. The boston globe today, writes:

"The clip, a preview of a longer film by one-time Clinton donor Peter Paul, has scored about 350,000 hits on YouTube during the past week, plus more than 1.4 million hits on Google Video, driving it to the top spot over the past two weeks"

when speaking about


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw


People really don't like her and I am willing to bet that in a general election, people that do not typically vote, will take off work just to vote for anyone other than her!!
Clinton can stick up for herself just fine. If she needs to fight back she has. Welcome to politics people. Shes proven to be the toughest and the smartest and the best campaigner. So that makes her the winner,so far.
May th best woman win the presidency! Go Hill!!
Crystal (Time for change),

Like i have said before, If democrats elect her there are more amunition for the republican to pound on.

This election is going to count as another loss for the democratic party.
MK, MO

When it comes to specific proposals I agree with you that John Edwards has been the most forthcoming. And, he doesn't get credit for his candor. He is not helped by that preception that Senator Clinton is the "inevitable" winner or the front runner that the media puts out every day, because that same media then tends to focus on those front runners, the "star" candidates, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.
The politics of hope apparently can only be defined by Clinton & Co. - and of course that can be changed whenever it might be expedient politically for her to do so.  Citizens, have we had enough of this yet?
Susan, Miami

If Senator Clinton can stick up for herself just fine, what was the point of this memo from Mr. Penn?
Shouls she just say "bring it on, I can take it?"
The Cliton camp must be thrilled to have both Obama and Edwards attack Hillary. Remember Hillary has been under attack for the past 15 years, I don't think she can't handle Obama and Edwards. What her camp is trying to do here is to call out Obama and Edwards' hypocrisy. When you run a “holier than thou” campaign, then apply the same old political attack, it makes you look like a hypocrite.
Mark Penn is Hillary's Karl Rove.  At the very beginning, her campaign talked about their admiration for Rove and proudly proclaimed that they intended to copy his tactics.  Here you have continuous examples.  Turn whatever criticism is leveled at you against your opponents so no one is focusing on your own pathetic record.

Hillary Clinton is the Queen of Triangulation.  She will give you just enough information to make you think she's on your side while giving you no specific information at all.  Then when it's pointed out, she wimpers that she's being attacked, or she'll simply say she will just not get specific (sounding eerily like the current president who says he doesn't have to explain anything because he's the 'decider'!), or she'll simply blurt out her phony, puzzling laugh.  

I mean really... how dare Americans ask her what she actually stands for.  If an opponent does it, he's attacking.  If an audience member asks, she accuses him of being a plant.  This is someone you want as a president?

The latest joke is her stealing the 'politics of hope' line.  It's been a running joke that supporters of other candidates have pointed out all through the campaign.  She's stolen lines and ideas from Obama, Edwards and Richardson continuously.  It's pretty pathetic really.  She can't seem to take a position until everyone else has (she keeps talking about her supposed experience, especially with her failed health care policy during the '90's, and then is the very last candidate to present her current health care plan--which amazingly took ideas from every other candidate's plan).  Does she have an authentic thought in her head? Is this the quality of leadership she claims to have?  

How anyone could consider this woman for president is a mystery to me.  Then again, who'd have thought this country would have been fool enough to re-elect Bush!  I certainly hope the American people have smartened up and can see through the media hype and smoke-and-mirrors rhetoric this time.
Just remember, when you are tempted to give Your Candidate extra credit or a free pass or whatever for Knowing How To Play The Game, that the end goal of "the game" has always been to soak the American taxpayer.

Me, I'm not so sure I quite admire someone's ability to screw me just as effectively as the guys who are presently screwing me.

And it is an interesting commentary on the times that NOT admiring someone's ability to screw me as effectively as I am now being screwed is considered impossibly "idealistic"; and that hoping to avoid getting screwed by pointing out potential screw jobs is considered "abandoning the politics of hope".

But that's just me  --  a guy who will not (repeat: WILL NOT) "hold my nose" and vote for anybody at all who I am convinced will not only use their office to do things to which I am passionately opposed, but will use my vote as proof of a "mandate" to do those very things.

And that's what we're lookin' at from both those who call themselves Republicans and those who call themselves Democrats. Thing is, see, I can call a cheap knock-off jacket genuine suede, but that don't make it so  --  even if half plus one of the people I show it to believe it.

Lotta pigs in pokes wearin' cheap knock-off jackets, these days ... let the buyer beware, compadres ...
Boy, what ever Hillary is paying Mark Penn, she's getting ripped off.  What a transparent gasp this is.  Pitiable.  

It's too bad that it's come to this.  I pray Biden, Dodd, Richardson and Kucinich don't get sucked into the fray -- they're above that.
This is really a non issue, just political fodder for the media. But it is unwise of our candidates to get caught up in this mess. While the republicans try to define who is the most republican, we should be defining the issues. This was a bad move on the part of the Clinton campaign, and the politics of hope is just jargon without real policies to back up the rethoric. I hope the Obama and Edwards campaign ignores this and moves on to issues.
The politics of hope is telling people what you think and where you stand.
The politics of hopes is having a vision for where you want the country to go.
The politics of hope includes Independents and Republicans, not just Democrats.
The politics of hope is increasing participation in our political process.
The politics of hope is leadership, not triangulation.
The politics of hope is inspiration, not the "safe answer".
The politics of hope is making differences between candidates, both policy and personal, crystal clear to voters.

In other words, Senataor Clinton has no idea what the politics of hope means.
Stop hating on Hillary. Obama and Edwards are embarassing themselves and the offices they hold by questioning Hillary's integrity. It is clearly a tactic that reflects their positions in the polls. Hillary Clinton has been the first lady of this country for eight years and a senator of the great state of New York for almost the same amount of time all after serving as the first lady of Arkansas for two terms. She graduated from one of the best schools in the country at the top of her class and has served this country for over 20 years accomplishing things that most of us would never dream of being able to. She has never been convicted of commiting any crime while constantly being under unbelieveable public scrutiny. Has she made mistakes, yes, but who hasn't, has she broken the law , well according to courts never. This is a good woman and good American and both Obama and Edwards know it and its their responsibility to say that. Why diminish the policy debate to the level of personal attacks, lets all agree that each of these canidates are honorable people who make decisions based on their best judgement at the time and based on whats in the best interest of the country. Come on, you can't really beleive that the Clintons are horrible people with bad intention or even bad judgement, everyone can agree they did many more great things for this country than bad and really that's the best you can hope for in a President. The politics of hope does not suggest a perfect President but rather an imperfect one who tries their best. Plus, Obama and Edwards barely have a history to judge them on. One can't possibly believe that they magically know how Obama or Edwards will act in office or they integrity they will bring to it. Where's the proof? It is clear that Hillary is more equipped to be President than Obama. Yes, its like hiring for a job, look at the resume, who's more qualified! They're all good people.
The politics of Hope.  Isn't that where Bill's from?

Aside from the obvious physical differences, Hillary's charisma deficit and the likelihood she will behave more appropriately in the oval orifice, what exactly is the difference between her and Bill in terms of politics?  

Bill's reputation as the greatest president in recent history is being tarnished  as his soulmate and political clone is vilified within their own party.

More please.

The Clinton campaign thinks we the people are as gullible as the press.  but, then, they do have that decided Hillary bias.
Maybe because she is so much like Buah.
Either way, it is a running joke with people with the same old memo saying the same old thing, just like bush's speeches.
Obama's camp must be laughing it up over this one.  And asking whatever happened to originality?  Oh, yeah, it's Hillary.  She doesn't do original.  but, then she doesn't do answers or tells people her stand on anything.
What a joke she is.
Mary Ellen Gateley:

Don't worry, those guys are all running for Vice-President.
The Clinton campaign wouldn't know the politics of hope if it bit them in the....
I believe that Hillary was attacked by most members and it was not really educating.  Edwards and Obama did more personal attacks and lowered the image of the debates. I do think all people need drivers license, every single person.  I think if they are here for 2 weeks or 2 years they must have driver's license.  Clinton answered the question as ask of her.  Did she or does she support the Governors Plan.  She said YES she supported him and all people in our Country need REAL ID'S, they sure can get a fake a ID, thus why not a legal ID for the purpose of ID.  John Edwards and Obama must listen to communicate well. Clinton was forced to answer a question and then it was turned on her.  The Federal Government is the one that needs to fix immigration reform and if they can not do the job then the States MUST.  Clinton admitted the Senate failed the people and that is the truth.


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