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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:19 AM by Mark Murray

If language tells the story of the debate, then it's clear the Clinton campaign doesn't believe it won, since it is only trying to spin that "she survived." You don't say that if you think you actually won. Meanwhile, the Edwards and Dodd camps seemed the most fired up post-debate while the Obama folks feel good (though not great, since they know they did meet their own overhyped early expectations).

The Des Moines Register's Yepsen scored the debate for Edwards. "Edwards came ready for the scrap and he helped his candidacy. His effort has sagged in recent polls and his tough, pointed challenges of Clinton will give his campaign a needed psychological boost at a crucial juncture. By contrast, Barack Obama seemed disjointed, unable to give good sound bites and so didn’t help himself."

Early this morning, the Obama campaign issued an email -- and YouTube video -- to reporters with pollster Frank Luntz (R) proclaiming Obama as the winner of his focus group last night. Luntz later told First Read that “Obama's attacks are considered legitimate. Not Edwards. There is a huge difference in style. Huge. Hillary has disappointed. Her only really positive lines have been in attacking bush overtly. They did not like her illegal immigration answer." (One thing to keep in mind about focus groups, they don't like negative ads either, but that doesn't mean negative ads don't work so Edwards tougher stances may work, the question is will the attacks work for Edwards or for Obama?)

The Politico’s Roger Simon says Clinton had a bad night. “… Clinton gave the worst performance of her entire campaign. It was not just that her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be issued drivers’ licenses was at best incomprehensible and at worst misleading. It was that for two hours she dodged and weaved, parsed and stonewalled.”

More: “And when it was over, both the Barack Obama and John Edwards campaigns signaled that in the weeks ahead they intend to hammer home a simple message: Hillary Clinton does not say what she means or mean what she says. And she gave them plenty of ammunition Tuesday night.”

That said, The Los Angeles Times’ lead seemed to score the debate for Clinton: "Trailing in national polls and with supporters growing restless, Barack Obama challenged Hillary Rodham Clinton's electability and candor in a spirited Tuesday night debate. But he failed to rattle the front-runner or do much, it seemed, to shake up the Democratic race."

Clinton received feint praise from sometimes-nemesis Maureen Dowd: "Few are concerned that Hillary is strong enough for the job. She is cold-eyed about wanting power and raising money and turning everything about her life into a commodity. Yet, the characteristics that are somewhat troubling are the same ones that convincingly show she will do what it takes to beat Obama and Rudy. She will not be soft or vulnerable. She will not melt in a crisis. And, unlike Obama, she doesn’t need to talk herself into manning up. Obama whiffed in the debate last night when Brian Williams and Tim Russert teed up the first question for him to take on Hillary - something the debate dominatrix never would have done."

The Politico's Smith notes that Clinton "wears GOP hate as badge of honor."

Real Clear's Wilson: Edwards "stole much of the show."

The New York Post’s Charles Hurt writes, “The heavyweight champion of the Democratic Party escaped lightly bruised but unbloodied in last night's debate in the City of Brotherly Love.” He adds that Edwards made the “strongest case” against her but ultimately, “She tied herself up in knots - in a way her opponents couldn't - with her non-answer about whether she favors giving driver's license to illegal aliens.”

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"The only woman on stage agaist all men candidates and two men reporters all attacking her in a staged plan.
Yet she stood strong and won the debate.
Blue state baby "

Hey Blue State,what would HRC have to do for you to recognize she didn't do well? She stood strong? What does that mean she didn't cry, she didn't walk off stage? HRC can't win the general, and most likely Iowa will be the first of many primary defeats prior to her bowing out gracefully.

My take on the debate:
Biden number one. It's amazing in less than 6 minutes he can actually address the issues, and has the most memorable lines of the night. His post debate interview was funny.
Number 2 & 3. Probably Edwards 2 and Obama 3, but a strong case can be made for Obama 2 and Edward 3. Both made some great points. I think which you think is 2nd or 3rd depends on which you liked better prior to the debate. They both did great.
4.Probably Hillary, but a strong case could be made for Dodd and then Hillary.
5. Dodd/Hillary
6 & 7 Does it matter.
I'm tired of debates.  they suck.  i want an interveiw with a great reporter who asks unscripted questions. Questions the canidates do not get in advance.  All they do is he said she said.  i don't care about that.  what were your passed accomplishments and failures. Debates are attacks.  give me a good interviewer and interviewee.  Thats how we got our jobs isn't it.  Screw the debates they are usless.
Taking a cue from their leader, the feminists among us say that Clinton is strong because she is a woman and no man can take her down.

Then, she gets beat up a little bit during the debate and now it is "How dare they pick on a woman. Those boys should know better."

If you want a make a case for you candidate - do it. Do it on policy. Do it on character. Do it on morals.
DO NOT do it on gender.

Pathetic. Undeniably, irrefutably, disgustingly, degradingly, ignorantly - pathetic.
To those who seem to think Brian Williams and Tim Russert were somehow being too mean and unfair to poor, disadvantaged Hillary, I have to question whether any of you actually pay attention to this campaign at all or if you simply get physiologically excited anytime you see or hear the word "Clinton."

If you haven't noticed, more than two months before the Iowa caucus, the media as a whole has all but coronated Senator Clinton as the seemingly unquestionable nominee. Ms. Clinton herself behaves as though this primary is a mere formality. What angers her supporters is that the moderators last night failed to blanketly accept "The Sacred Presumption" of Ms. Clinton's nomination. They asked questions challenging the assumtions of the national media and they provided the other candidates an opportunity to challenge the notion that they are somehow inferior to the current front-runner.

Guess what? That's their job. I know it's hard to insert too much critical thought into political news sometimes, but that's what made last night's bout in Philly a REAL DEBATE--perhaps the very first of this democratic primary.
I think Hillary has hurt herself with her position on Iraq/Iran. The point was made last night that she was already running in the GENERAL election as though she had already won the primary. A democrat will win the general election, but I think the primary voters (democrats against Bush's war) will not like her position.
Look for Edwards and Obama to close the gap.

(Personaly, I thought Biden won the debate.)
Reading the comments above, one would think that the debate included only Clinton, Edwards, and Obama--and maybe Biden. You people don't realize that your consent to these as the only viable candidates has been manufactured by the corporate media and you are only following in tow. Do you even listen to what the 'lower tier' candidates say--or have said in past debates? Your favorites have sold out long ago. They will keep us in Iraq indefinitely and continue to use fear as a license to control the world and American citizens. Why don't you pay attention to the anti-empire, anti-war, pro-American (in the best sense) candidates? Why must you assume that the top tier candidates are so much more worthy? Are you all so unperceiving?
Hillary would be a good thing for the Republican party--pulling them back from the margins of the NeoCon fringe--since she models herself as NeoCon lite. However, she is not an asset to the Democratic Party in terms of the issues or definitive policy shifts.  We really don't need a replay of the Clinton years in the present time frame.
I have a problem with 30 second answers BUT if that is what you want, shut the sound off after 30 seconds.  Then you don't need the cute sound effects and grafics.
Leslie - Whether Bill could serve as VP is an unsettled matter, as the 12th Amendment says that no person constitutionally ineligible to be president can serve as VP.  The 22nd Amendment prohibits a person from being elected to more than 2 terms.  

For a discussion of this issue, look here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901572.html
I don't suppose there is a possibility that everyone posting here had decided who their winner was before the debate even started?
Ed, Brunsiwick, GA:

Trust me.  Hillary is very good at math and understands perfectly how the job of president doesn't stop at a $400,000/yr salary. She's been through it once, remember?  She's also worth more than Bush or Cheney and hubby Bill is profiting handsomely.  Perhaps one could call it "Election Profiteering."

On that note: Do any of the questions she might be asked or criticisms she might be subjected to rise to the level of what she had to endure during her husband's administration?  

I honestly don't think there is much in the way of questions or approaches by moderators that can throw her off her game.  So, if she sounds inept or non-responsive, take the responses as completely genuine.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa  it isn't unsettled, to be VP you must be eligible to be President. Bill isn't eligible. Bill told Tim Russert in an interview (during his recent book tour) that they looked into this and Bill said it was not constitutionally allowed.
I don't know what debate the Clinton fans were watching last night but she got her rear handed to her by almost all the condidates with the exception of Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich.

I am a Bill Clinton fan but just because Hillary happens to be his wife doesn't make her as qualified and he was to be president. I think Obama and Edwards said it best, we need to move on from this dreamy and terrifying era of either a Clinton or a Bush in office cause they are but for big bisness. Is there anyone who is so blind out there to see that both George Bush and Hillary Clinton were the candidates to raise the most money from special interest in their running for the White House???

Wake up people, she's not the one we need to take us back ont the right track.
Why would Hillary and her crew get so DEFENSIVE about answering straight forward questions ? Ask yourself that question. All you Hillary backers are just angry because you finally realized that she cannot answer the questions. You call this bashing ? You call it a set up, staged, say "shame on you". What is wrong with moderators asking straight forward, specific questions. Obama won big, he refused to attack and he spoke straight.
"The only way a Democrat is going to become President,is if they come together and quit putting down this great country and causing the deaths of the brave men and women fighting for their freedoms."

You mean Republican don`t you. Just giving you the benefit of the doubt. You can`t be that ignorant.
Obama did just fine. He is the right person at the
right time to lead this country.

Watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP4bKiYrI7w

Note Thank Obama for boosting getting people to tune into the debate.
Molly:  

Did you read the link?  Obviously not.  If you had, you would realize that even constitutional law experts cannot agree for sure whether or not he would be prohibited from being a VP nomination.  My inclination is to say he would be, but then again, the 22nd Amendment says "elected" to the presidency.  If he took over from the VP spot, he wouldn't have been elected.  However, to get to the VP spot, he would have to be eligible to serve as president.

It's a very complicated constitutional law question, and one to which there is not an easy answer.  It depends, basically, on what your philosophy is with regards to constitutional interpretation.  

However, it appears that Bill's advisors have answered the question in the negative, which pretty much ends the debate.  The point I was making, and that the author of the article I provided, is that it's not a simple "yes or no" answer.  


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