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Obama re: Clinton: 'Secrecy'

Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:16 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro<

BR>The memo wars go on. The Obama campaign is circulating the following memo, with the title “Turning the Page on Secrecy, Calculation, and Caution.” It tags Clinton as a Washington insider who won’t answer questions and adds another round to “the politics of hope” tug of war.

“On issues from Social Security to Iran to being open with the America people about her record, Senator Clinton offered more of the same Washington political calculation and evasion that won’t bring the change America needs,” the memo reads. “The ‘politics of hope’ doesn’t mean hoping you don’t have to answer tough questions.”

Here’s the full memo:

TO:      Interested Parties
FR:       The Obama Campaign
RE:      Turning the Page on Secrecy, Calculation, and Caution
DA:      Wednesday, October 31, 2007
 
At last night’s debate, Barack Obama demonstrated the real choice in this race.  On issues from Social Security to Iran to being open with the America people about her record, Senator Clinton offered more of the same Washington political calculation and evasion that won’t bring the change America needs. 
 
The “politics of hope” doesn’t mean hoping you don’t have to answer tough questions.
 
Her performance raised more questions than it answered:
 
· Twelve hours after the debate ended, the American people are still waiting for an answer on Senator Clinton’s position on providing illegal immigrants with drivers licenses. She didn’t answer the question in the debate and her campaign couldn’t answer it afterwards. [http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/video_special_clintons_strateg.php]
 
· Clinton Demurred When Asked to Approve the Release of Her Records From the National Archives. When asked whether she would request that the National Archives allow the public to access emails, memorandum, and other communication between her and her husband before 2012, Clinton said, “Well, that's not my decision to make, and I don't believe that any president or first lady ever has.  But, certainly, we're moving as quickly as our circumstances and the processes of the National Archives permits.” [Debate, 10/30/07]
 
· Clinton also claimed that all of the records from her health care task force had been released. However, according to Newsweek, “Some key papers from her health-care task force… remain locked away.” [Newsweek, 10/29/07]
 
· Clinton Refused to Answer Questions About the Circumstances Under Which She Would Attack Iran, Despite Being Asked Repeatedly; Focused on Diplomacy.  When asked about her plan to deal with the threat posed by Iran, Clinton said, “I am not in favor of this rush for war, but I'm also not in favor of doing nothing...I prefer vigorous diplomacy.” Williams then asked her under what circumstances she would consider an attack on Iran justified.  Clinton replied, “Well, first of all, we have to try diplomacy...I believe we should be engaged in diplomacy right now with the Iranians.”  After Williams pointed out that she did not answer the question, Clinton said only, “I want to start diplomacy... [we need] a full court press on the diplomatic front.” [Debate, 10/30/07] 
 
· Despite being repeatedly pressed by the moderators, Clinton never cleared up the discrepancy between her public refusal to discuss Social Security and her private discussion with Tod Bowman of Iowa. You can see Bowman’s endorsement of Obama by clicking HERE
 
Senator Clinton has clearly decided based on political calculation that her campaign strategy is to tell the American people as little as possible, avoid the difficult issues, and try to blur as many differences as possible. After last night’s debate, the choice is clear: Barack Obama is the kind of leader that will bring change we can believe in, stand up to the special interests, unite the country, and tell the American people not just what they want to hear, but what they need to know about the challenges we face. This is what the voters in Iowa, New Hampshire and the other early states are seeing every day. It is why Iowa is now a dead heat between Senators Obama and Clinton and why Obama is strengthening his position in New Hampshire.

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Can someone, anyone find me a judge, so i can get an EPO against barack & all the other men who treated me so Baaad last night.HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!
Hes full of crap.
Bravo! lets see what Clinton machine has to say. I know they've been knocked out by last night debate. Another bunch of fluffs.
Bravo! lets see what Clinton machine has to say. I know they've been knocked out by last night debate.

I want Obama and Edward to hammer her on the critical issues.
The mre I see and hear the punches being thrown at Clinton by everybody(whatever the party)I can see she would be able to stand up for this country plus she is not a thief like George Bush or a bumbling idiot.She actually speaks in sentences.Any democrat is fine with me,but I do admire her guts to battle it out with these guys,without a whimper.
over 60,000 people who can be traced by a phone # and obama wins 30% to clinton 20%  those are the kind of polls that can give real indication. Not that its the end all say all but i will take the american people over a obveously bias ras. poll of like 5or6 hundred people , plus are being managed by clinton supporters.
ooohh, barak is so tough in a memo.. guess they saw the WaPo peice questioning his ability to stand up to the GOP and other enemies of American Values
HMT-MI: I'm not sure where you get without a whimper.  She has cried foul whenever an opponent or the media tries to clarify her positions.

I really like Obama, can somebody say Ma-a-a-n Crush?  Vote-bama.
Folks,

Check out Mark Penn spin on Hillary's answer. Hillary is toasted. I'll sugest she get her money back from Mark Penn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHOq-16cDDg
Cheney won't tell us know who he met with when they where deciding U.S. energy policy when he formed the task force?  Also, a new article in the Wash. Post about the secret papers of Rudy Giuliani...what about that??? If the Clinton have to do play by a different standard then so should everyone else.
October 31, 2007,  12:55 pm
Afscme to Endorse Clinton

By Steven Greenhouse

Gaining one of the biggest endorsements that organized labor has to offer, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is to receive the endorsement at 1:30 p.m. today of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a union official said today.

The union is one of the nation’s largest, with 1.4 million members, and is especially powerful in Iowa, where it has 30,000 members, making it a major force in that state’s Democratic caucus."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/afscme-to-endorse-clinton/

"Hillary Rodham Clinton won the endorsement of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees on Wednesday, an important boost for the Democratic presidential front-runner."

http://www.townhall.com/news/

A campaign that knows what it's doing scores again.


Van

HMT I agree these attacks on Senator Clinton are not quite as bad as what the repub smear machines will use but they give her a chance to show how she handles these things.
Folks, here is Marc's bottomline.

Bottom line, before all the analysis:

Obama confronted Clinton in his way, Edwards confronted Clinton in his way, and none of us writing about the debate can say with accuracy which approach voters prefer.

In this discordant symphony – ‘A Clintonian Lament’ -- John Edwards’s instruments of persuasion were sharper and louder; Barack Obama’s were more resonant and more subtle.

In music terms, Edwards played the French horn; Obama played the violin. Or, as the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza told me during a commercial break, “It’s the difference between someone who goes to law school and becomes a prosecutor and someone who goes to law school and becomes a law professor.”

The question is, which do you prefer? Do you prefer a professor's approach or trial lawyer.

I think i prefer both.

Obama/Edward '08
Edward/Obama '08

I like them both

without a whimper? she stumbled pretty badly last night. She got irritated, lectured and flip-flopped on immigration within the space of 1 minute.

Yep she is Bush-tough
Considering that Hillary has a public and private response when it comes to social security, one has to wonder what other public/private thoughts she has on other issues.....
Obama and Edwards defeated Hillary convincingly in last night's debate, and were very effective in showing Clinton's unwillingness to be straightforward with her answers.  At the point where she was going on and on about "processees" in a ridiculous non-answer about her sealed records from the White House, Obama turned around and decked her for her lack of honesty, and the irrationality of claiming Presidential experience via the position of first lady, and then sealing the records that show that history for voters to judge. That was probably the strongest point made by anyone all night, if not all year.

I'd say Obama did the best, followed closely by Edwards, then Dodd.  All three campaigns advanced their causes forwards as a result of last night's debate, and Hillary has been damaged heavily.  
The Hillary train has been derailed.  Now lets see if the MSM will stop handicapping the horserace and instead begin evaluating the candidates.  We'll all benefit from that type of analysis.
Obama '08
let's see, obama is now resorting to "don't vote for hillary"

no reason to vote for obama except he's not hillary

he a homophobe
who misses votes and did NOTHING in illini congress.
yeah, lets elect him cause he's so inexperienced!

wheeeeeeee
The "politics of hope" doesn't mean holding hands and singing Kumbaya!  It is being honest with the American people, restoring the constitution and bringing the people back into an open government. It is govening from strength and optimism.  Hillary and her team doesn't seem to understand what the "policy of hope" means, but they surely demonstrates what it isn't.
These are the only kind of wars the Democrats are willing to fight.
Phrases like "dead or alive" "bring it on" "last throes of the insurgency"Sometimes in life there are no simplistic answers to sum it up in a 30 secound sound bite. So the most stupid of the people are able to understand.Tlking to the lowest common denominator has gotten us this far, jingoism at its finest
I find it hilarious Hillary's camp is whining about Tim Russert. If you are the front runner and are unable to answer questions, you do not deserve to be the democratic candidate.
F StLouis adds / "Hes full of crap."

 did you write that yourself? face it, obama and edwards speak the truth even though they are vaginaless, hillary is finally having to explain why she is so secretive, and she ain't liking it because the truth will be revealed and she will be kicked to the curb as any criminal "bush lite" politician should be.
I would like all of the other candidates to make public all of their emails and other communication between themselves and their spouses.  If it is official White House business, then fine, but anything other than discussions on policy or the like should not be made available to the public.  
Obama has my vote......However He  needs a stronger voice when speaking.   Obama & Edwards  they would make a great   "TEAM"  
I agree. He is full of crap.
Sure democrats know why they will vote for Hillary - she wants to form a bunch of "bi-partisan committees" to find answers to "really complicated things".

During last night's debate, she said:
No, I didn't say that, Tim. I said that I'm in favor of doing something about the AMT. How we do it and how we put the package together everybody knows is extremely complicated....And there are a lot of moving pieces here....There's a lot of moving parts. So I'm not going to get committed to a specific approach...

Now THAT is the kind of leadership we need in Washington! <joke>  Obama, of course, is 100% correct again.  Hillary loves being secretive.  She doesn't want to tell ANYONE ANYTHING.
Carrie - The policy stuff is all I want to see.  The personal conversations are nobody's business.
Tuck, Obama passed sweeping ethics legislation in Illinois and ended a capital punishment system that almost wrongly put 13 people to death. He reached across to Repugnantcans to get them to sign off on these bills, which then passed overwhelmingly. Homophobe? Where'd you get that news? He's been very outspoken on gay rights issues. Did the campaign make a mistake with McGurkin? Yeah. But Obama saw that he could bring up an important issue and that's inclusion. Just because McGurkin has a differing view, and Obama clearly stated he did not support McGurkin's views, Obama wasn't about to turn his back on him or any other citizen who may not hold the same opinions. Obama's tent is large and welcoming. On the experience issue, he's almost elected legislative experience than Clinton and Edwards combined. But Washington experience has gotten into the mess we're in now. I'd prefer someone with an outsider's view who shows good judment to someone who has made the wrong decisions or no decisions for 30 years as a senator or congressman.
Edwards/Obama...I would support that. I wish they would get together before the primary, however, and offer themselves just that way as an alternatie to Hillary. She has to be stopped. She can't win against Rudy.
Carrie,

I agree with you on this one.  If the info relates to official business, that's okay.  Other than that, no.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa,

Clinton need to be forthright with American people regarding her records. If she is claiming her white house experience as part of her records, i'd suggest she open it up for public scrutiny.

We need to know what her records look like. Anything short of this is unacceptable. We have right as a citizen to evaluate her past public service and determine if she will be able to use a better judgement to guide the country.
Sometimes you have to decide whether to go with someone who is open, honest and addresses the issues or someone who can get elected.  The American voter and the press are at fault for always looking for the one gaffe or gotcha or disagreement that can be used as a reason to not vote for a candidate instead of focusing on the many areas of agreement as reasons to vote for a candidate.  There seems to be a defect in the human brain when it comes to weighing alternatives, which is why we fear absurdly improbable events and are willing to give up freedoms for false safety.  We give too much weight to small negatives and too little weight to larger positives in the candidates.
Tuck, realworld, kansas (Sent Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:58 PM)

Tuck,

I am glad that you have finally realized the irony in your previous moniker: "Tuck, Realityville, Kansas". However, I'm not sure that "realworld" is more accurate. Unless, of course, you are talking about the MTV show.

Van,

Congrats on Clinton's endorsement. But isn't there a thread about that?

I wonder if this will even get posted. I haven't seen anything new in a couple of hours. Maybe hire some more help?
Finally, Obama is drawing the line in the sand and making Hillary accountable.  The results... a big win at last nights debate.  Just keep asking her the hard questions Senator Obama and let the people draw their own conclusion that you are the most qualified and electable candidate for 08.
Bee (Sent Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:44 PM)

The question is, which do you prefer? Do you prefer a professor's approach or trial lawyer.

Bee, I like your analysis! I went to law school and became a public defender, so I must say I prefer the professorial touch.  I was able to see Sen. Obama's/Sen. Edward's debate performance through sound bites only, so my perspective is somewhat limited.  However, my concern is that Sen. Obama's deft and nuanced approach may be too subtle to capture the imagination of the electorate.  On the other hand, a deft and nuanced approach to matters would certainly be a welcome change in Washington.  Combine this with Sen. Edwards' energy, high spirits and willingness to (metaphorically speaking) get his hands dirty, and we've got ourselves a winning ticket folks!

I worked as a minor minion on Sen. Obama's senatorial campaign; initially, I did not want him to make a presidential bid. I wanted him to stay in Illinois and do something for the people who gave him a national platform. I see now that I've been selfish.  Sen. Obama belongs to the nation.  So, with respect, I believe the ticket should be:

Obama/Edwards '08
Embrace the Fate!
"I would like all of the other candidates to make public all of their emails and other communication between themselves and their spouses.  If it is official White House business, then fine, but anything other than discussions on policy or the like should not be made available to the public.  

Carrie, Eastern Iowa "

Carrie, it is official White House business that Bill (who I adore) is refusing to allow the archives to release until 2012. Hillary wants to claim she was intimately involved in her husband's administration, but doesn't want to release the documents to back that up. Maybe you don't need to know what if anything her involvement in the WH was, but she continues to make claims, that others in DC are false. She has gone from claiming she authored the original s-chip bill and got it passed, to stating last night that she was "someone who helped bring...the children's health insurance program to fruition during the year at the White House..."

Here original claims regarding her involvement in the language and passage of S-chip were disputed by the GOP and Democratic Senators who actually were involved in writing and passing it, and now her involvement is watered down to she's "someone who helped bring...to fruition during the year at the White House..."  


You may not believe that Hillary owes the voters facts to back up her claims, even when her claims are disputed, and appear to be false. But I believe she owes the voters a duty of full disclosure. and without full disclosure any one who votes for her is allowing emotions, gender pride, or a desire for the return of the glory days of Bill Clinton, not the facts, to guide their support. To me, blind faith is naive.  I prefer to fully educate myself prior to supporting a candidate, and if a candidate prevents that, either through double talk, refusing to release records, or other means, I will not support them.
Shadow, Hamden, CT: '...I'd say Obama did the best, followed closely by Edwards, then Dodd.  All three campaigns advanced their causes forwards as a result of last night's debate, and Hillary has been damaged heavily...'
 
Last night I liked Edwards better, Shadow
The wheel fell off hte Forked Tongue Express, last night.

Hillary couldn't give an honest answer on Social Security, Iran, Iraq and IDs for illegal immigrants.

Obama and Edwards should have been doing this months, ago

Actually, Biden had a good night
Dodd is good on Iraq, but he's toooooo wordy.

Hillary Clinton gives the Republicans the best chance to win the Presidency.
Don't give them that chance !!
Van, you read the post on First Read, Gerald McEntee, president of AFSCME is a close colleague of Bill Clinton's.  This endorsement was a given.  Man, are you grasping for straws.
Bee: '...Folks, Check out Mark Penn spin on Hillary's answer. Hillary is toasted. I'll sugest she get her money back from Mark Penn  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHOq-16cDDg ...'

Great link, Bee
Mark Penn says she supports IDs, then he says she doesn't support IDs

The Forked Tongue Express !!

Obama did OK, but I liked Edwards performance better
Give 'em Hell, Johnny !!

The dark cloud is lifting ......
Yeah Mitchell, It's Clinton supporters who are grasping at straws.


Van
Anyone see Leno last night?

He said the debate was with Hillary the frontrunner and Mr. Desperate, Mr. Very Desperate - and everybody else.

That about sums it up.
Carrie,
Your candidate was for and against giving drivers license to undocumented immigrants within the same minute.

I'm glad you agree with her.
Yiannis - I don't have a candidate, thank you.  Nor have I ever made a statement regarding drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants.  Try again, please.
Chris F, just o'er the border in Williconsinois,

I surely agree with your assessment. I like both professor's approach and a trial lawyer's approach. Subtle + passion gives resounace and candour. This is a winning ticket come November 2008.
why didn't they just hold the debate in a boxing ring between Edwards, Obama & Clinton. That was awful. Thought i was watching the destruction of the democrats. Obama and Edwards needs to focus on their own platforms instead of acting like attack dogs. I was very disappointed by them lst night.
In essence, Sara from Cedar Rapids is saying that Clinton is basically a lightweight who claims more substance and accomplishment than is really the case.

Has Sara been listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh the past couple of years?
Hmm, just what I thought.  "Resounace" and "candour" are not in the dictionary.
I really liked the 90's I know it's almost 2010 but cant we just go back to the same stuff again? I dont want to evolve. Im for Hillary.


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