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Oh-eight (D): 'No whining in politics!'

Posted: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:13 AM by Mark Murray
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BIDEN: Biden and Gravel filed to be on the New Hampshire ballot yesterday. 

CLINTON: Here's the New York Times’ coverage of her speech at Wellesley yesterday.

The Washington Post's Ruth Marcus thinks the gender card is not appropriate: "Please. The Philadelphia debate was not exactly a mob moment to trigger the Violence Against Women Act; if anything, this has been an overly (pardon the phrase) gentlemanly campaign to date. Those other guys were beating up on Clinton, if you can call that beating up, because she is the strong front-runner, not because she is a weak woman… And a candidate as strong as Clinton doesn't need to play the woman-as-victim card, not even in "the all-boys club of presidential politics," as Clinton called it."

The New York Sun's Gerstein notes, "The Clinton campaign's use of gender in its response to the debate could play well in the Democratic primary, in which about 60% of voters are women. However, if such talk alienates men, it could hurt Mrs. Clinton in the general election, where winning male votes will be more critical."

Adds conservative columnist Jennifer Rubin: "This after the fact whining hardly seems an appropriate response from an empowered and confident woman to the normal verbal sparring that accompanies every campaign. Her Republican counterparts joust with one another on a range of issues from immigration to taxes and routinely question each other’s consistency and credibility. In the general election will the GOP nominee expected to play by different rules when Hillary is the opponent? … So the lesson for her Democratic rivals and her eventual Republican opponent is plain. She doesn’t like it when the guns are turned on her and will complain bitterly about the mean fellow(s) making her uncomfortable. The smart opponent will ignore the histrionics and recognize those signs as evidence his attacks have landed. And when all else fails, a new adage may be in order: “There’s no whining in politics!”

Salon's Scherer has a smart piece calling this week the beginning of the main event of this campaign. And here’s the main storyline we've all been waiting for: " Can anyone -- Democrat or Republican -- stop Clinton? And can anyone, besides faithful Hillary supporters, deal with the Hillary fatigue to come?"

"For the next two months, in the clumsy holiday stumble toward the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, the specter of Clinton is destined to overwhelm the nation's news broadcasts, the pundit round tables and the cluttered debates. For both Republicans and Democrats, she will lurk behind all discussions, testing the willpower and endurance of the American people. The hatred she can summon, the hope she can inspire, all of it, will be on display day after day. And no matter how they feel about her, voters will be forced to endure sense memories of the '90s, flashing back to that era's exhausting fog of anti-Clinton rhetoric."

“The group Emily’s List, which supports women who back abortion rights, will try to reach as many as 100,000 women who might support the presidential candidacy of Hillary Clinton,” the Des Moines Register reports.

Has Clinton now lost the Bush family's faith in her ability to get the Dem nod? Bush 41 is suddenly not so sure.

The Clinton campaign's courtship of one-time enemies continues. First there was David Brock (now an ally at the liberal watchdog group Media Matters), then Matt Drudge (to whom the campaign regularly leaks), and now Richard Mellon Scaife's one-time journalistic hit man, Chris Ruddy. Bill Clinton is sitting down with Ruddy for an interview in Newsmax.

Is this the Clinton campaign's effort to prove they won't be as divisive as some of their opponents are trying to argue?

Bloomberg News looks at the lawsuits by -- and against -- Clinton fundraiser and friend Ron Burkle. “The bitter allegations are detracting from the benevolent image Burkle is cultivating through his philanthropic foundations and donations and his friendship with Bill Clinton. Until last year, Clinton was an adviser to three of Burkle's funds, helping scout investments and other tasks. “The former U.S. president remains a frequent houseguest at Green Acres, Burkle's mansion, and a passenger on Burkle's private Boeing 757. Burkle jokes he stages so many soirees -- including a March fundraiser for Hillary Clinton -- that he's made his landscaper wealthy from repairs to the estate's lawns.”

Under the headline, “Clinton faces China grill,” the New York Post writes: “The feds are eyeing a Chinatown donor to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign to see if she was ‘coerced’ into being a front for someone else's contribution.” 
 
The New York Daily News headlines the AP story: “Hillary Clinton Chinatown donors get visit from Justice Dept.”

DODD: “Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, lagging far behind the leading Democratic challengers in the fundraising race, tried a chatty strategy on Thursday in an e-mail with the subject line: ‘Fw: Re: Update?’ The e-mail purports to pass along an e-mail chain that includes messages between two staff members.

EDWARDS: The Edwards campaign continues to try and force its way into the Clinton-Obama dynamic and turn the race into the competitive three-way race it is in Iowa. "For the better part of 10 months or so, the press has pretty much showcased this race as a Clinton-Obama campaign," Joe Trippi, a top Edwards adviser, told the Daily News. "The clear choice really is Clinton and Edwards."

The campaign is now officially eligible for matching funds from the FEC. He can't receive the money until January 2, but he can borrow against the note now, which is what the campaign is likely to do.

GORE: The DraftGore campaign is going to start running TV ads to try and lure the former veep and Nobel Prize winner into the race. “In the ad, an announcer says: ‘Imagine what tomorrow can be. Imagine a renewed world, an end to the war in Iraq. Imagine Al Gore as president ... Call him. Write him. Seize the moment.’”

OBAMA: The Illinois senator is up with a new TV ad in New Hampshire. Per NBC/National Journal’s Aswini Anburajan, The 30-second spot shows Obama telling a small crowd of people, "This Administration has further divided Wall Street from Main Street." Obama then turns to the camera and calls American workers "the bedrock" of the economy.

Bloomberg News profiles Michelle Obama. "Fifteen years after Clinton drew comment and condemnation as the standard-bearer of a new generation of professional women, Michelle Obama's juggling of professional life, motherhood and the duties of political spouse make her something of a modern-day everywoman. ‘I don't think it's that unusual anymore,' Obama said in an interview between campaign stops in Clarion, Iowa, last week. ‘It's not that Hillary and I have so much in common, it's just that we're in a generation now where a lot of women go to school, they develop these wonderful careers, they have their professions in their own rights.’”

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Well, there's been plenty of 'Whining' in the White House, the last few months. Of course, that wasn't exactly politics, just a sales job that wasn't going so well. Glengarry Glen Ross meets Death of a Salesman? Vintage Whines, eh?
She didnt sound whiney AT ALL. She was making a point and laughing about it. That is not whining. And both my brothers and my husband and father are all backing Clinton.
STOP THE WHINING HILLARY. You will make women look bad and perpetrate stereotypes! STOP and FIGHT. We are behind you.
Where's the report on Obama's Durham NC fundraiser rally yesterday?  They had to move to a bigger venue the response was so big.  4500 people paid $15-25 to attend.  That's political news, no other candidate can draw these large crowds.  
All shrub does is wine, he is now wining again to get his way.  His little veto pen is all sucked down as he takes it to bed at night. Visions of veto's dance in his empty head.
IMPEACH. He is not doing his job as usual.
Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, China..etc...all a big wining problem for the inept in chief.
The dollar is dime size and he is still whining!!
She is playing "poor Hillary" and as her advisers indicated, it was the plan for months.  If anyone ever questions her, she is being attacked.  We need a leader to bring us together, not someone trying to manipulate the American people.  If Hillary wanted to be a real leader and genuine candidate, she would have detailed her policy plans and positions.  Instead, she complains about being attacked to change the subject.
All the foolish people out there that try every day to come up with a new attack campaign are the winners!!
You wine if she does, you wine if she does not, you wine all day long.  Is there nothing you do not wine about. jerry is the worst whiner of all, I bet the kids he hangs with call him crybaby.
Act like adults people and stop your bellyaching and go do something useful for America. IMPEACH BUSH!
Carefull how you spell "wine" IMPEACH. The spelling police on here will get you. They got me.
The blood in in the water ......
Hillary is dishonest and evasive.
She's as 'slick' as Bill or Geroge
We've had 15 years of lies and scandals
Why do we need another 4 years of lies and scandals ?

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandal and divisiveness
Personally, I was drinking a glass of WINE when watching Hardball yesterday. I noticed Chris Matthews was WHINING about how Hillary was "supposedly" WHINING about being picked on during the debate. Of course she wasn't WHINING at all. Only he was WHINING, while I finished my glass of WINE. IMPEACH BUSH, is fine with me.
Obama's right---he didn't whine about being ganged up on by all the white candidates just because he's black.  Clinton's whingin will backfire on her---just another reason not to nominate her!
America can do better than 4 more years of the Clintons' corruption.

http://unitedagainsthillary.wordpress.com
All the Democrats running for prez are whiners.  Clinton plays the battered wife victim card, Obama is a minority, Biden is retarded, Dodd is senile, and Edwards is gay.
Before the Philis debate, Senator Obama’s campaign telegraphed through the NYT interview that Obama was going to vigorously challenge Senator Hilary Clinton.  Senator Obama was criticized for making his challenge against Hilary Clinton a matter of public knowledge instead of blindsiding his opponent.  But the critique failed to understand the strategy behind Obama’s pronouncement.  Here is the game plan.

If Senator Obama fails to win nomination he has other political options.  He could seek re-election at the end of his term or vie for gubernatorial post in his state of Illinois.  If Senator Edward were to lose the nomination, he has no other future in the political landscape.  Hence, Senator Edward has nothing to lose that will keep him from attacking Senator Hilary Clinton.  Once Senator obama threw out the challenge to confront Hilary Clinton, Senator Edward had no other alternative than to best Obama in the act of confronting Hilary.  Beating up Hilary Clinton without reservations comes with unpredictable consequences since Hilary is basing her electoral fortune on women votes.  Obama’s game plan was to bait Senator Edward into doing the dirty work of beating up on Hilary Clinton, while he stays within the confines of timidly measured comments.  

Senator Edward wants to make the debate to be between him and Senator Clinton.  His only option of gaining traction is by hammering away on Senator Clinton.  Senator Obama will only be on the sideline nodding and winking concurrence to Senator Edward’s attack on Hilary Clinton.  But the truth is that Democrat power establishment will never permit Senator Edward to be the Party’s nominee based on his performance during the last election as VP candidate and coupled with the fact that he comes across to the electorate as phony.  Hilary’s losses will always be Senator Obama’s gain.
Weeeeeel, Chiiildren, the word for today is Whining.
The media is now in herd motion, reading each other and then repeating each other. Don't get caught in it people. This really is a story about the media and the lemming like quality of their profession. TSK TSK boys and girls, you get a C for effort and and F for originality. Next assignment, what are you getting for Christmas this year, 200 words, single spaced and use the damn spell check. Class dismissssssed!
Manice Peach;  Thank you for reminding why I will not be voting Republican for a very long time.  You managed to demonstrate your hatred, intolerance, bigotry and name-calling in just two sentences.
Give me a break with this denial all of you Hillary supporter's! If she wasn't whining, her campaign manager was whining for her. Playing the "poor battered woman" card is rediculous and can guarantee that she will not get elected president, if she happen's to get the Democratic nomination. She made excuses every time someone asked her for a straight answer regardless of the subject. She has no "stance" on anything and when they confronted her about it she cry's that they are ganging up on her. She tell's everyone that she is for an "open and honest" government, but she is the only one doing her best to hide her documents in the presidential library, because they will show her supporter's what they are really getting. Senator Obama said it best when he said she had experience, but piss poor judgement and it show on the Iraq vote, the Iran vote and the fact that she is wanting to give illegal aliens driver's license is the icing on the cake! I really think she could be the new defining term for bad judgement! If her supporter's refuse to see the real truth in all of this then I would be willing to bet they are the same people who voted for Bush!
So Hillary got caught in a Chinese scandal....
Just like her husband did....

Hillary used to be a woman, strong and willing to take on the men in the world.
Now she is acting like a little girl, frightened and unsure of herself.
All she had to do was answer the questions and instead danced around them.
If she thinks Tuesday night was bad, just wait till she gets into it with Rudy and Mitt, she will be shown to be a little girl incapable of even being on the stage with either one.

Hillary's former theme song: "A brand new day"
Hillary's new theme song: the theme song from "Flipper"



Hillary's former theme song: "A brand new day"
Hillary's new theme song: the theme song from "Flipper"


No, no.  Hillary's new song: "I am woman, hear me whine"
where did all the whiners come from?The media whining about Hillary,the gasbags on tv whining about Hillary,george Bushh whining about congress,codepink and move-on.org,the gay guy that gave his billfold to his sexual partner whing about being blackmailed and still whining when he resigned,the state department whining that they did not want to be sent to Iraq and die,who would raise their children.?????
Manice Peach: keep getting your opinions from the meanest bitch in history - people are SURE to take you seriously. (I won't defile my finger tips by typing her putrid and foul name.)
I'm shocked mark penn didn't do a "leave brittney alone" video......
IMPEACH says:

"All shrub does is wine, he is now wining again to get his way.  His little veto pen is all sucked down as he takes it to bed at night. Visions of veto's dance in his empty head."


Presidential Veto exercised by:

Bill Clinton 37
George H.W. Bush 44
Ronald Reagan   78
Jimmy Carter   31
Gerald Ford  66
Richard Nixon  43
Lyndon Johnson 30
John Kennedy  21
Eisenhower  181
Truman     250
Roosevelt  635
Hoover   37
Coolidge  50

George W. Bush  5

So, IMPEACH, stuff it in your Vapid Empty Trash Orifice.
I like straight talk, even when it tells me something I don't like. Hillary doesn't get that. Obama not only gets it, it is natural for him to make those kinds of responses. That's the type of person he is. He is today's Honest Abe. Vote for Lincoln! Obama!
Obama is Lincoln Reincarnated to re-save America.
What is all your problems w/ Hillary using for once only one of the many strategies that every and any politician employs when attempting to win?  You people act like you've never covered politics before.  What difference is there between Hillary playing the 'woman' card in this particular instance to get past and, yes, change the focus from, the one (and in her case only) really unstellar performance of her campaign, from Rudy playing (in his case, the only one he has) the "9/11" card, McCain playing the "tortured prisoner" card, Romney, the "religious persecution"; Obama, the "new kid";...ad infinitum.  It's POLITICS people!  When did you ever think ANYONE is in it who doesn't play games to win?
Wouldn't you?
Guaranteed that when the furor goes away, so does the card.  
Oh please, it IS an all boys club.  Just like corporate america.  Every professional woman who works out there knows it.  We have to work twice is hard for half the recognition.  And 67 cents to the dollar to boot!  Equality.. Please.  We ain't there yet.  We've come a long way, but there are still too many insecure men out there who have trouble with the idea of "Madam President".  They might succeed in beating her now.. but get ready boys.. can't keep us down forever.
To: Get over it and move on::   -Ha! Why are you complaining about the complaining about Hillary's gender card? That's politics!
To: Get over it and move on::   -Ha! Why are you complaining about the complaining about Hillary's gender card? That's politics!
If you want to read a very insightful commetary on Sen. Clinton...
here is the link

http://joeleonardi.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/how-to-halt-hillary/
Richard:

With all due respect, Bush didn't have much to veto his first 6 years with the rubber-stamp Republican-run Congress.  
Hillary was for sale and has been bought and paid for. Follow the money!! Look and see where her campaign dollars are coming from. Edwards is sound and he is marketable. Get on a winning team. Getup off your butts and help get this country whole again.
Remember people this is basically A LONG JOB INTERVIEW for the MOST IMPORTANT JOB in the company (USA). The democratic panel will recommend its best candidate to be compared to the republican's best candidate for the final interview.

All resumes are in.  We looked thru them, diced them up & made necessary notation.  We've interviewed them several times to make sure that they truly did all those things they said in their resumes as part of their qualifications, questioned them on their visions so we know what direction they want to take the company to, asked them specific questions relating to the taking care of existing challenges (like Iraq, Global Warming, Healthcare, Economy, etc) so we know what their approaches are on resolving these challenges and evaluate not just based on their working experience but on their life experience to make sure that we choose someone who is THE BEST FIT for this particular company in this particular time.

Now, in the last interview Hillary was asked several questions on how she’s going to resolve our existing challenges and we didn’t get any concrete answer. She was asked about her experience as the 1st lady which she put on her resume as apart of her qualification, but didn’t want to answer and wasn’t willing to provide additional information as to why we have to account that particular experience.  SO, if we have a candidate applying for a position where he/she will be working for US, would you really want to hire this person to work for you?  Would we really hire someone to work for us who doesn’t stand for anything, who can’t give a straight answer, who refused to give backup documents to her experience, who basically said “Trust me, I’m the best candidate for the job! Just take my word for it!”  Are you kidding me?  If we’re hiring a painter to paint our house and of all the painters who have given us their quotes, pass jobs, recommendations, showed us their qualifications, explained to us what they’re going to do with the house and one painter said I refuse to show you what I’ve done & refused to tell you what I’m going to do with your house but you can take my word that my job is good.  There’s NO WAY any of us would hire the painter who can't give a straight answer.  SO WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING TO HIRE SOMEONE LIKE THAT TO BE OUR PRESIDENT?

These candidates are applying to WORK FOR US, we are PAYING THEIR SALARIES! The American people better start acting like THE EMPLOYERS that we are or we’ll be shooting ourselves in the foot.  If Hillary keeps doing what she’s doing, she’ll be out of the top candidate category just like that!  I have a lot of interviewing to do… and she’s wasting my time.  I want a candidate who takes the job he/she’s applying seriously.
Hillary's fumble was absolutely RIDICULOUS. On the weekend BEFORE the debate, both Obama and Edwards telegraphed through the press that they were going to confront her and she still went up there on national television and stuck to all her canned, scripted answers. That makes her response even more stupid, because they DID NOT ambush her - she KNEW it was coming!


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