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Obama fine-tunes Hillary distinctions

Posted: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:12 PM by Domenico Montanaro



From NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan
OBAMA WEEKEND NOTEBOOK

Obama made a surprise appearance on Saturday Night Live. Here's the skit of Obama showing up at Clinton's house for a Halloween Party.



SPARTANBURG, SC, Nov. 3 -- Under the banner of “Change We Can Believe In,” Obama fine-tuned his argument on why he should be president of the United States over Senator Clinton. He stressed his respect for Clinton and commonalities, but he also also directly questioned the way she practices politics.

“She’s also a skilled politician,” Obama said, “and she’s run what Washington would call a ‘textbook’ campaign. But the problem is the textbook itself. It’s a textbook that’s all about winning elections, but says nothing about how to bring the country together to solve problems. As we saw in the debate last week, it encourages vague, calculated answers to suit the politics of the moment instead of clear, consistent principles about how you would lead America. It teaches you that you can promise progress for everyday people while striking a bargain with the very special interests who crowd them out.”

Obama’s message was largely the same as it has been over these past two months, stressing the need to change politics in Washington. The difference with this speech was that he spent far less time stressing why his opponents thought he was inexperienced and more time on sketching out a vision on what he would like to see in his own administration.

Obama’s campaign did not say whether the stronger language regarding Clinton would become part of his regular stump speech, calling Saturday’s speech a “situational stump speech” given a year before the 2008 general election. The goal of the speech, according to the campaign, was to lay out Obama’s vision for his presidency.

The crowd at Converse College in Spartanburg, S.C., where Obama spoke, responded enthusiastically to his message and gave him several standing ovations. But the question of experience still dogged Obama after it was over.

“I admire his goals, but he didn’t give enough specifics on how he would get it done,” said Ralph Jones of Spartanburg, S.C. “How can you accomplish universal health care so easily?”

Jones and his daughter said they would be voting for Clinton largely because they feel she has more experience and would be more likely to win in a general election match up.

Obama tackles race question
MANNING, SC -- On the steps of the Clarendon County Courthouse, in a speech that was supposed to be about reforming the American education system, Obama instead gave an impassioned plea on why a black man could be president of the United States of America.

History was present as Obama spoke. He stood on the steps of the courthouse that heard one of the pivotal cases that became part of the Brown v. Board of Education decision. Ernest Finney, South Carolina’s first black Supreme Court Justice, introduced Obama.

Finney, who endorsed the senator earlier in the day, spoke of his own past, growing up in the segregated South. "My heart was dreaming of the day when a black man in America could not only run for president,” Finney said, “but could be on the edge of winning."

Obama couched his run for the presidency with that history, as an epic moment that could occur if he could only overcome the cynicism of those who believed it couldn’t be done.

“Now, I’ve heard some folks say, ‘Yeah, he talks good. I like his wife. He’s got some pretty children, but you know we’re just not sure that America is ready for an African-American president,’” Obama told the crowd of about 800. “You’re hearing the same voices you heard 50 years ago. ‘Maybe it’s not time yet, maybe it’s better to wait.’ So I just want ya’all to be clear; I would not be running if I were not confident I was going to win.”

“I’m not running for vice president. I’m not running to be secretary of something or the other. I’m already a United States Senator. Everybody already knows me. I’ve already sold a lot of books. I don’t need to run for president to get on television or the radio. I’ve been on Oprah. I’m running to be president of the United States of America,” he said to the roaring crowd.

In making his pitch, Obama broke from his prepared remarks. A campaign aide said he had re-written parts of the speech in the morning and re-worked it again in the car. But as he stood before the largely African-American crowd in the third poorest county in South Carolina and spoke with a passion he has rarely shown on the stump in recent weeks.

Obama has addressed the question about why he could win the presidency as a black man before, though he generally only does so with this much candor or zeal in front of primarily black audiences. But it can also be argued that he tackles the question in nearly every stump speech by stressing his role as a man who can bring communities together. However, his speech today reflected a doubt within the African-American community itself that a black man could be president.

Artur Davis, a congressman from the fifth district of Alabama, who was an early endorser of Obama, said in a recent interview that that sense of disbelief played a strong role in Obama not receiving the endorsement of black politicians in his own state.

Obama tackled that doubt by touting how his campaign was doing in an all-white state like Iowa.

“We’re tied up in Iowa right now,” Obama said. “And let me tell you, there aren’t a lot of folks in Iowa who look like me. Because they understand that what we stand for is change. And change isn’t a black or white thing.”

He went on to scold the audience, evoking the civil rights struggle that led the crowd to assemble before this courthouse, to tell them that believing this couldn’t happen was damaging to the community’s morale and the next generation.

“So to the brothers and sisters out there telling folks I can’t win, don’t defeat ourselves,” Obama said. “Get it out of your mind that you can’t do something. I don’t believe in we can’t do something. Yes we can do something. What kind of message are we sending to our children, you can’t do something?”

Obama’s message appeared to resonate with the crowd, who live in an area of the state that reflects the unfulfilled economic promise of the civil rights movement. Clarendon County is the third poorest county in the state, part of an area along I-95 known as the “Corridor of Shame” for its crumbling schools and high drop-out rate.

“I think he told them what they needed to hear,” said Josephine King of Manning, S.C.

Gussey Cochrane said that she had also been considering Clinton, but Obama’s message had helped bridge her sense of disbelief in the possibility of his success. “It’s time for a change. It’s time for a change,” she said before racing forward to grab the senator’s hand. --ASWINI ANBURAJAN

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Obama on SNL!! Obama never needed a mask. Bush, Obama, Myakka and a Monkey the all look alike. On Iraq and Iran Bush is one extreme (no diplomacy but war) and Obama is on the other extreme (no war but Hugs and kisses to Iranian).

Please, all Obama supporters, urge Obama first to improve his senate voting records and urge him to vote on issues, own it, then let him claim what he stands for on the issues. He has highest non voting record in the senate but yet he claims ownership for the issues he never voted for or was not the senator at the time (like the one on Iran). Before you dig more dirt on other candidates, please clean up the mess or his poor voting record. Then only he is qualified to argue against other candidates. Again Please, Obama first vote, take ownership and then argue or debate.

Obama cannot fool all the voters all the time. To get elected he has to fool only 23% of voters. Only 45% of America votes. So 23 % are GOP and 22% are DEM. There are only 3% who reasonably debate. In total 97% are dumb who expect and understand only a "yes" or a "no" answer or standing on every issue that all debate moderators, talk show hosts, and self proclaimed pundits( the barking dogs who can never bite any one but make lot of money as that 97% fools watch them) ask the politicians. Only 3% appreciate the complexities of issues like Immigration, Social security, Health care and war on Iraq. But media and blogs cannot make money on these 3% m but on 97% of dumb fools.
So in essence you have to fool only 23% of  voters to get elected and to sleep in the while house. That is  still 77% can hate. 50% haters is too narrow and with more room for another 23%.  
America is only about money, Dollar is the religion and is the only God, And loosing a dollar in America  is the biggest crime. This is the only principle. Politicians are no exceptions to this. So is Obama who claims to have principles (perhaps not for senate voting). A politician can never be principled.
Here are two non Clinton biased articles about Obama's two speeches which were very well received:

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20071104/NEWS/711040347/1051/NEWS01   "great article on speech in Spartanberg S C"

http://www.suntimes.com/news/hunter/634172,CST-NWS-hunter04.article   "Obama thrills crowd in Manning"
The more i listen to this guy the more i think about the posibility of what this country can be. His speech in South Carolina was the best i have ever seen.

He is a good orator and will make a good President. I like the fact that he indict democrats as part of the problem without blaming George Bush alone. Both party are part of the problems of bickering and in-competent. Congress is a wash...
Thank you for those non-Clinton biased links..sometimes when I go to these MSM sites I wonder if I'm really living in a democracy.

I'm voting Obama because I want my country back from Clinton/Bush
Stop lying about his voting record.  His voting record along with the other candidates running from the senate is the same, about 60% according to CNN.  Even McCain missed the Kyl-Lieberman vote.  I don't think anyone is more pro-war than McCain.  I'm glad to see that people  are finally getting access to the text of his speeches.  His response on MTV about having his AG restore the rule of law by reversing the excessive executive powers accumulated by Bush was not only fantastic, but awe inspiring.  The mainstream media needs to move beyond ambivalent coverage of Obama to balanced coverage.  I know people will say he only get positive coverage, but as John Wilson at Huffington Post provides the best analysis.  Obama's coverage is ambivalent at best.  We get all the non-story's on Obama.  Ellen, SNL, etc.  Those stories aren't negative, but they are not substantive; therefore, they don't provide a balanced perspective or who he is and what he stands for.
Yes, his speech in Spartanburg was exceptional, no other candidate running could write or even deliver such a speech.  

Here's a link to it on video: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/Cnhm

I haven't found the Manning speech video yet but the Sun Times reporter says "It was as impassioned as the speech he delivered before the 2004 Democratic Convention, and if it was meant to quell doubts about his ability to be presidential, it was convincing.
It was the most inspiring, the most elegant speech I have ever heard Barack Obama give."




Aswini's poor account of an impressive speech. I call it a poor account because she [Aswini] was foolish enough to quote ONE misguided Clinton supporter at the end. But I understand the game- apart from the fact that Hillary Clinton is Aswini's Senator from Punjab, they're both women.

Here are my questions to that Clinton supporter:
- What exactly is Hillary Clinton's experience?
- If experience is what it takes to accomplish universal healthcare, why doesn't America have universal healthcare to this day?
- Hillary Clinton messed up healthcare in the 90's and she hasn't become a better person since then. Infact she's more hated today, her negatives have gone up, she's still dishonest and she's still as secretive as she was then. How will she be able to accomplish healthcare even if she miraculously wins by 1% in 2008?
The Saturday Night Live skit wasn't funny and just served to underscore how desperate Obama is.  And two new polls (ABC and Newsweek)released since the debate show Hillary Clinton STILL FAR AHEAD of Obama and Edwards.

Maybe when he loses the primary, Obama can audition for a spot as a regular on SNL?  He has a much better shot at that then becoming the Dem nominee!
Amir:
You are so sadly misguided, I'm not even sure how to respond to you.
I just watched the video of the speech and it is all WOW!  Powerful.
I believe this is a classic speech by him and i hope he uses this one more.  Obama is on a roll.
I urge anyone who loved the 04 speech to watch this.
The one thing I don't get.  Obama has town halls and people complain because they want a rally speech.  Then he is at a rally giving one and people complain because he is not doing a town hall speech.
I wish people would understand the difference between the two.
The Washington self serving paper hangers on the march to """NO WHERE"", every thing of yesterday is what you will get for the next four years!! Go ahead America and send your lying paper hangers to the
White House, but I would hope the first time you b!tch about any thing some one would cut out your tongue.

Sarah, please do not be emotional. Have an abstract perception on each candidate and then compare what and where they stand on issues. To be honest, villagers in Indian discuss the candidates more rationally than American voters. American voters are already polarized with self interests like Romans did at the time of collapse of the Roman empire. Specificity is not possible for a politician who is experienced because politics is a game of poker; you got play your card right at the right time. Media and majority of voters (who are fools in any democracy) expect specificity and candor. Only those (like Obama) can be candor because of lack of experience and they are reckless and take chances at people’s expense (like Bush did on Iraq)  and can give an ‘yes’ or ‘no’ blindly. Those with experience wait for right opportunity to score taking every aspects of the issue. In this respect Hilary, McCain score well as matured politicians.

Let me know how I am misguided,
With at most respects to you sarah
Amir
Show me this Book! Is there a chapter on being a Washington self serving Paper Hanger? How About a professional bald faced ""LIAR"", a chapter for covering your A@@ during a scandal, a chapter for serving hidden self agenda's, a chapter on lunatic bond issues, a Chapter of how to live with a liar and cheat, a chapter for defending a perjured criminal.

I'msure this book must have been written by the clinton's?



Obama dominated this week.  Beginning with his NY Times interview which he said he would “forcefully” distinguished his differences with Hillary.  Which impacted her performance severely because she hunkered down for three days to prepare and it the performance wasn’t pretty.  Obama called her out on her secrecy, of being a Republican wet dream of a candidate, her doublespeak.  And to prove his point, Hillary gave a distractions answer for illegal obtaining drivers licenses.  Then Hillary played the gender card and Obama countered her with it being unseemly to use gender when infact he hasn’t used his race to object to opponents going soft on him.  He dominated the news, with Morning Joe, Today Show, and ABC News. Obama then introduced his Iran bill.  Hillary still reeling called in Big boy Bill to do some damage control.  He did a 180, authorizing the release of Hillary’s First Lady’s records (not in time for the primaries and enough time to be sanitized).  Obama gave two stirring speeches in SC which remind people that he is the best oratory in the democratic party and then he topped off his week with an on point sketch on SNL.  All and all a great 7 days for Obama.  I expected the primary polls to start moving next week after all this has been absorbed by the American people.  Obama, your are on your way to reclaiming America for the people and by the people.  Way to go!  Obama 08!
csh - The SNL skit showed desperation?  Are you nuts?  And the ABC poll you cite shows Obama cutting Clinton's lead by ten points in just a few weeks.  

You paid Clinton shills are unashamedly dishonest;  at least the unpaid Clinton shills like Amir are just incoherent.
Clinton has some followers who do not know much about her, but became followers only because of Bill. That is half the people who participate in the polls. The poll numbers do not represent Hillary, it represents Bill. Hillary is just a proxy for Bill. Bill wants a third term in office, and he knows he can't have it unless he puts Hillary's name in the ballot.
I agree with Sarah, Amir's propoganda is terribly misguided.  Check your facts, Obama was in fact at the FIRST Kyl-Lieberman vote, but it was postponed for another day, a day he had prior obligations, google it if in doubt.  RealB.G is right, him and the rest of the Senators running average about 60%, being a Senator and campaigning for President obviously means you will sacrifice.
It is very upsetting to read comments from people such as Amir, American finally has a chance to elect an honest President and there's a good chance they'll throw it away due to ignorance.  What a shame.
I say this and I fall by my decision. To you all Americans you will suffer from a great depression if Obama does not become the president. It is like some people are blind, Clinton and Bush are the same.
She will take all her frustrated and put it on other countries and you think there was war in Iraq? Wait and see when Clinton becomes the president.
Being the president doesn't mean people (Bush & Clinton) have to ask for respect and behave so arrogant everytime and toooooo stubborn to learn until their country fall to pieces.
Why do you think Bush thinks Clinton will win between Obama and Cinton?
You know what it doesn't matter what I say, the problem is that if this country keep putting bad people as president the country will fall flat on its face.
My message is this, elect Obama and enjoy some of the time America is know as the country to follow. Right now America is seen by an outsider (me) as country that looks for trouble and have all the problems, schools with all kinds of problem, kids being among the most depressed unsatisfied, the most unsafe place to live, always looking for war,...THE LIST GOES ON.
America should be known as the country that brings peace that help other countries and help his own country by making it safe, making friends and not enermy.
WAR, is a waste of time.
Amir,
you need to get out and meet more americans, we are not all money grubbing hedonists, just turn off the TV and go out and talk to your neighbors, they are much like you in that they want peace, a job, health care and a home and a good education for their children. Yes, money runs our nations economy as it does in every country, sounds like you listen to Osama more than Obama. See the difference and enjoy your freedom from tyranny, I do everyday!
Amir, Anaheim, CA: Ask the candidate you're working for, what she's ACCOMPLIHSED IN THE SENATE ?

What has Hillary accomplished in 7 years ?

Other than voting for the Iraq war ?
Other than authorizing Bush to attack Iran ?

Pretty thin record, Amir !!

Hillary Clinton, 15 years of dishonesty, scandals and divisiveness !!

Great witch costume, Hillary !!
MSNBC- the anti-Hillary -Fox wannabe station- Between Matthews, Russert, Alter, Brezinski et al there is no balance - All irrational HIllary-haters- What's up with this- These same people destroyed Kerry and Gore and got Bush elected President- maybe they'll be able to get another Republican in again as well- As for the MSNBC bloggers- you are certainly lowering the bar on political discourse- mostly lies and spin-Do the homework- look at the lifetime body of work for these candidates- and encourage your favorite to stick to the issues -Remember that "authenticity" is a political ploy- every single candidate has teams or "machines" as the media likes to call the Clinton people-negative campaigning only strengthens the chances of getting another Bush-type-
Thank you Veritas!!!!!!!!!
Obama is the joke! these guys are showing extreme sour grapes!
HILLARY 2008
There is no space or floor to argue here with reasons without resorting to personal attack. The way you guys argue, it makes Muslim Taliban and al-Qaida look better.

Oh God, just help this great country, make the dollar value go higher and let gas price come down (which reduces financial help to terrorists) and give some sense of reason for these spinning and very polarized people. And let the moderate Muslims (like me) be understood and be supported.

God Bless America
Amir


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