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Oh-eight (D): Clinton leads, but...

Posted: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:15 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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Clinton leads in a Newsweek poll from over the weekend, with 44% of Democrats to 24% for Obama and 12% for Edwards. “Clinton continues to lead among both male and female Democrats, but she attracts less support from independent voters than either Edwards … or Obama,” the New York Daily News writes. “In a theoretical matchup against former senator and actor Fred Thompson, for example, Clinton gets 47% of the independent vote, while Edwards gets 57% and Obama gets 56%.” 

BIDEN: The candidate received some "fix the gaffe" treatment from the local press. The Wilmington News-Journal looks at Biden's gaffe history, particularly with racially charged issues. It concludes: "Biden's supporters say the apparent gaffes are merely examples of his unscripted style, which they admire. Others say he should be more aware of how his words come across... Some of Biden's black friends see no harm in his comments and concede they may have said similar things. Biden may let his mouth run away with him, but his friends say his heart is consistently in the right place -- fiercely defending civil rights.”

CLINTON: The fallout continues from the campaign's post-debate spin about whether it played -- or did not play -- the gender card as a defense for losing the debate. Maureen Dowd (probably predictably to Camp Clinton) was particularly rough on the front-runner. We're guessing most of our readers have already read the column, but here are some choice bites that attempts to take the criticism of the gender card strategy and fuses it with the criticism she also received at the debate for wanting to be calculating:

"She should certainly be allowed to play the gender card two ways, or even triangulate it… Sometimes when Hillary takes heat, she gets paranoid and controlling. But this time she took the heat by getting into the kitchen. After trying to have it both ways during the debate, she tried to have it both ways after the debate… She was always kind enough to let Bill hide behind her skirts when he got in trouble with women. Now she deserves to hide behind her own pantsuits when men cause her trouble… There is nowhere she won't go, so long as it gets her where she wants to be. That's the beauty of Hillary."

Don't miss this charge from well-known feminist activist Eleanor Smeal, who compared the debate to the Anita Hill hearing. Wow. Now Smeal is simply an endorser of Clinton, but that is taking the gender card strategy to a whole new stratosphere.

VIDEO: NBC's Political Director Chuck Todd with first read on presidential gender politics

Today’s New York Times: "A critical question in this campaign -- how to run against a female presidential candidate, or as one -- has burst into the foreground in the aftermath of a Democratic debate last week at which Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was repeatedly challenged by her rivals and the event’s questioners." And Geraldine Ferraro put things in stark terms: “‘John Edwards, specifically, as well as the press, would never attack Barack Obama for two hours they way they attacked her,’ said Geraldine A. Ferraro, the 1984 vice presidential candidate who supports Mrs. Clinton. ‘It’s O.K. in this country to be sexist,’ Ms. Ferraro said.”

Ferraro went on to say, “It’s certainly not O.K. to be racist. I think if Barack Obama had been attacked for two hours -- well, I don’t think Barack Obama would have been attacked for two hours.” (Obama supporters would contend that he faced plenty of tough questions from the moderators and his rivals at the August ABC debate.)

Newsweek's Isikoff follows up on his reporting about what's available -- and what's not -- at the Clinton Presidential Library. "Clinton said during the debate that one chunk of records, from her days heading up her husband's health-care task force, had been released...  But National Archives documents obtained by NEWSWEEK and interviews with Archives officials indicate that the vast majority of the Clintons' health-care task-force records are still under lock and key in Little Rock -- and might stay that way for some time."

Tracking down the Clinton papers
Tracking down the Clinton papers

"In a letter last year responding to a Freedom of Information Act request by the conservative group Judicial Watch, Melissa Walker, supervisory archivist of the Clinton Presidential Library, wrote that archivists had identified 3,022,030 still-unreleased health-care documents, along with 2,884 e-mails and 1,021 photos covered by the group's request. Archives officials at the Clinton library have yet to process the Judicial Watch request or release the several million pages of task-force documents, including many key internal memos written by Mrs. Clinton and her advisers about how to restructure the health-care industry." By the way, Isikoff also reports that if something happens to Bill Clinton, Hillary -- along with Bruce Lindsey -- is the designee for releasing all of his White House papers.

NBC's Lisa Myers also reported on the Clinton library records Friday night.

DODD: NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli followed Dodd in New Hampshire over the weekend. Dodd "argued that voters should pay as much attention to a candidate's track record as they do to their plans for the future, and said that the nation needs a leader who has experience working across party lines." Asked by a member of the audience how he would do that when he takes office, Dodd said the best answer he could give "is what I've done." And he hinted at some disappointment that his resume is being overlooked in the campaign so far.

Meeting with the Portsmouth Herald editorial board, Dodd not only took on Clinton for her complaints of being ganged up on for a non-definitive answer to whether she would support giving illegal immigrants driver's licenses -- but also for the manner in which John Edwards and Barack Obama had released statements prior to the debate attacking Clinton for what she was going to say.

Dodd won one conditional endorsement from another candidate: Biden. “By the way, I'm for him,” Biden said. “If I can't make it, I'm for him.”

EDWARDS: The New York Times previews Edwards’ speech in Iowa today. “‘Senator Clinton is voting like a hawk in Washington, while talking like a dove in Iowa and New Hampshire,’ Mr. Edwards plans to say, according to excerpts of a speech provided by his campaign. ‘We only need one mode from our president: tell-the-truth mode all the time.’”

Edwards will also say, according to excerpts the campaign gave First Read: “With less than 60 days to the caucus, Senator Clinton has still not given specific answers to specific questions. How many troops will she withdraw, and when will she withdraw them? All she's said is that she will meet with her generals within two months of taking office.  That's not a plan. That's not even a real promise.  It's the promise of a planning meeting.”
 
“What's more, Senator Clinton wants to keep combat troops in Iraq to perform combat missions in Iraq.  She will extend the war.  I will end the war.   Only in Washington would anybody believe that you can end the war and continue combat. On a matter as serious as Iraq, we need honesty and real answers-not more double-talk.”

GORE: Gore was on TODAY this morning, and on Obama saying he’d like Gore to serve in his administration, Gore responded: "I haven’t talked to any of the candidates. I have no plans to be a candidate myself, and I certainly have no plans to go into government service in any other position."

OBAMA: In case you missed, guess who was live from New York on Saturday night?

Also, do note Clinton was supposed to do SNL in September: "Lorne Michaels, the creator and producer of ‘Saturday Night Live,’ was not available for comment, but a spokesman said the show was ‘always an equal opportunity offender.’ He added that Mrs. Clinton had been booked for the season premiere on Sept. 29, at her request, but had to pull out. She is expected to appear in the future, he said. Her campaign also had no comment about that."

NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan reports that Obama fine-tuned his argument about why him and not Clinton over the weekend. He stressed his respect for Clinton and commonalities, but he also directly questioned the way she practices politics. “She’s also a skilled politician,” Obama said, “and she’s run what Washington would call a ‘textbook’ campaign. But the problem is the textbook itself. It’s a textbook that’s all about winning elections, but says nothing about how to bring the country together to solve problems. As we saw in the debate last week, it encourages vague, calculated answers to suit the politics of the moment instead of clear, consistent principles about how you would lead America. It teaches you that you can promise progress for everyday people while striking a bargain with the very special interests who crowd them out.”

Obama did a Q&A with Newsweek. And here are two interesting excerpts:
Q: Is she entitled to any credit for her years as First Lady as she argues her case to be president?
OBAMA: On those areas where there is a record of her having done work, she certainly deserves credit for it. What she can't do is have it both ways. She can't embrace every success of Bill Clinton's presidency and distance herself from every failure of Bill Clinton's presidency.

Q: What are the major failures of the Bill Clinton presidency?
OBAMA: Issues like health care. She wants to take credit for having tried but there were a lot of big mistakes in preventing us from getting health care back in 1993… What was she involved with? Where did she participate? Where did she not participate in decision making? And that's one of the reasons why these papers that are currently in the presidential library could be helpful in sorting that out.

Speaking of the Clinton library records, however, the Chicago Sun-Times’ Lynn Sweet notes that Obama hasn’t released his papers from his days in the Illinois state Senate, nor does he release all of his meetings as a US senator.

RICHARDSON: We've been in the column of "Richardson's running for Senate" for some time, mainly because of two things: 1) it's the buzz among some key Richardson supporters; 2) New Mexico Congressman Tom Udall had indicated he wasn't running, and Udall and Richardson are very close. Well, now Udall is back to pondering a Senate bid. He probably wouldn't be doing this if he were convinced Richardson was still thinking about running.

On energy, Richardson said, "I would have [renewable energy entrepreneurs] get access to government financial loans at a very, very generous rate. I would have them get tax incentives to hire people, to purchase technology and equipment." 
 
“Richardson has tapped into a pipeline of campaign cash from those who lobby government in his home state,” the AP writes. “Critics say the contributions raise questions about whether Richardson has used his leverage as governor to help fund his presidential aspirations, and whether his presidential campaign has become another avenue for state lobbyists to curry favor.”

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Clinton won't need as many independents. She will get the woman, black and hispanic votes and especially the younger female vote, like us. GO Hill!!!
Independents can never make up their minds so they sit on the fence and wait... and either go with their original party affiliation or wait til close to election time and choose the person who is projected to win.
Those Newsweek head-to-head polls showing Clinton being the weakest candidate of the three Democrats should be taken very seriously.  The amount of polls that have come out showing Clinton as a stronger GE candidate over 2007 has been under ten percent, and yet each of those times the Clinton supporters come out of the woodwork touting those numbers.  But the majority of polls, like this one, which show Clinton as the poorest candidate, leaves only silence from those same people; it's a shame some are more committed to one particular candidate than to making sure a neoconservative Republican doesn't win the White House for another four years.

Clinton is not "unelectable", that much is a myth; however, why nominate the weakest general election candidate out of the three frontrunners?  It makes no sense...
The way I see it, we end up with the likes of George W. Bush when we focus on what they say and ignore the reality of what they are.  They say and promise a lot when campaigning but the reality is that it just doesn’t mean much.  As George has so vividly demonstrated, whatever you see in their personality is what you get in their performance; regardless of what they say about the issues, they don’t just suddenly change.  No matter what is said (or what the biased third parties offer): if they are self-centered, they won’t become altruistic; if they are dishonest, they won’t develop a conscience; if they offer a lot of rationalizations and subterfuge, they aren’t ever going to be straight and to the point; if they are arrogant, they won’t suddenly display humility; if they are deceptive and manipulative, they won’t become open and cooperative; if they are belligerent and bold, they won’t suddenly be concerned and diplomatic; if they are controlled by self-interests and the limited interests of their benefactors, they won’t ever sincerely care about the average American; if they are fixated on their own private agenda, they just won’t have any real concern for anything else; and so on.   That is why I am surprised anyone expected other than what we got from George W. Bush and company.  It is really important for us as voters to just be totally objective and not blinded by our individual issues, no matter how meaningful, and to then clearly see the candidates’ real personality.  Their personalities and demonstrated daily values are really more important than what they articulate.  Hopefully we have learned our lesson and can truly avoid ‘more of the same’ but what scares me is that we actually elected Bush twice.  

The candidates as I see them’ (overlay your own observations):

First, those offering ‘more of the same’:

Fred Thompson:  Simply a true ‘puppet’ looking and hoping, consistent with his total history, to do others’ bidding and to accept all they will give.

Rudy Giuliani:  With staff that have criminal connections and his just trying to live on his ‘9/11’ reputation while hoping to gain the support and backing now given President Bush by Special Interests and a select few.

John McCain:  Pitiful in that he seemed to have real values which he suppressed in 2004 when hoping to gain the support and backing for 2008 from those behind Bush.

Republicans in Gen.:  All have demonstrated a total, irresponsible and belligerent support for the Bush administration without regard or guilt for the substantial cost to the average American.

Hillary Clinton:  (much like George W.) A sociopathic personality with an insatiable ego that is arrogant, self-focused, without a conscience and completely focused on her own agenda for her own personal satisfaction.

Next, those offering change:

Barrack Obama:  Seemingly sincere and conscientious while needing to demonstrate his strength.

John Edwards:  Interesting positions presented while needing to build the voters’ confidence in his sincerity and ability.

Joseph Bidden:  Well qualified, with impressive positions while needing to create a trust with the people that is simply missing.

The rest of the field:  Lacking any identifiable credibility or better said, lacking needed real interest to identify with.
Game on........
Obviously, this gender issue does not want to go away.  Which is sad because it takes time and attention away from the real issues that should be the major priority of the candidates.  Now that we have wasted a week on it, isn't it time to put the attention back on the war in Iraq, our country's weakened reputation with allies and foes alike, health care for all our citizens, etc.  And new issues that need attention arise daily; Pakistan, Turkey's raids against the Kurds, etc.

So many, many more important things than gender.
Concerning the NYT's article by Dowd against Hillary, this has been left out of the Media reporting: Newspaper Cirulation is plunging. Its doubtful many people even read anything about Hillary. Could Massive layoffs be far behind in the newspaper industry. They better come on board with Hillary or lose a lot more readership. Hillary knows the way
Students at UNF, I am not sure what "black" vote you are referring to, but maybe there aren't many black people at UNF!!! B/c all the "black" people I know, and based on your statement I am sure it is more than you know, they are throwing there support behind Edwards/Obama!! But I guess you are looking at the polls of likely voters, and not really thinking about all the people that have never voted before but will be coming from everywhere to support Edwards/Obama over Clinton!!
Dowd's column was spot on.  She hit it perfectly in expressing the argument so many of us have been trying to about her.
I hope she addresses the damage to the image Hillary has tried to cultivate by Ferraro.  All campaign, clinton tries to project this tough as nails, I can take anything because I am battle scarred, image.  
Ferraro whining about hillary being treated like any frontrunner, especially with Clinton's habit of not answering questions honestly, makes Hillary look weak and expecting special treatment just because she is a woman.
the findings about Independents is very interesting and crucial.  Independents are the ones who decide the election and they are not thrilled with Hillary.  Indies are needed to win.  This is big in proving that Hillary would probably lose if the nominee because of indies resistence to her.  Mainly because the progressive wing of the democratic party is just as resistant and won't vote for her either.
alot to think about.
Good observations REG,
I have also thought on these things and agree with you on many things, but I think their is another factor that we will not be able to evaluate until after the election, the make up of congress. It looks like the dems with meet expectations to take more seats in both houses but there is one thing that we can expect, less rubber stamps and more independant thinkers, this means Hillary or any other candidate that becomes president will have to create and employ much more bi-partisanship to get things done in this volatile political atmosphere. Yes, that means reaching across the aisles. They will have to work together to fix many of the backward policies adopted by this administation! It is middle of the road or a car accident waiting to happen, any level headed leader will have to see the writing on the wall or contiune to employ fear and zenophobia to hold this country together.
Dowd not telling me who to vote for----a toss up who will run in the election---already sick and tired of all the bashing---by the time we vote we will just have damaged goods to vote for.Do you suppose Jeb will step in?
On the Independent vote, Hillary may not get them...but according to polls we are following down here in Florida....she is polling about 18% of the Republican Females on the vote.  I found that statistic mind blowing because I was under the impression GOP women would be the last people to vote for her.
"Fiercely defending civil rights"---not the sameoldsameold going along with dictators(Bush included) to merely get along.
Hillary and George sociopathic with no conscience?  Wow!  We are in the 21st century and need forward-thinking leadership, but just the ideas and lip-service are no longer sufficient. Governing is a business; our country is sending its youth to die in Iraq while millions of children have no health care; where are our priorities? The GOP had its chance and blew it; we must send them packing with a swift kick. Hillary's not my favorite gal, but she's got the smarts to surround herself with the toughest people who can get things done. It's her time....  
Go ahead and order your Hillary Clinton tee-shirts. hillaryclinton.com
It's not about men, women, black, white, hispanic or homosexuals. It's also not about democrats, republican and independents. It's about, at this moment in history, when we are in the midst of a huge mess, both inside the country and in the world, WHO is the best candidate to get us out from the mess and put us back on track.

I think women in this country are much more matured, intelligent and responsible that they will look at the bigger picture. They will look into the fact that which candidate serves the purpose of American people most, both in home and abroad, as opposed to just vote for someone because she is a woman. We are not electing president of a student council at a high school, we are electing the leader of the free world.
How do we nominate a candidate to lead the whole nation, when 50% of the nation is saying, under no circumstances they will vote for Hillary, even1 year before the election day. If half of the country feel this way toward a politician, electing her is nothing but setting this country on a course of 50-50 divide and constant bickering for next 4 or 8 years. I think women are smart enough to understand this. We all like Hillary and we respect her as a woman. That's one thing. We still can say she is not the right PERSON (not a man or woman) to lead this nation at this moment, because of being a divisive, polarizing, beholden by special interest and corrupt politician.

One person is needed NOW to build bridges across race, religion, ethnicity and geographies. One person is needed to free the American government from special interests and work on behalf of the people of this country. He is Barack Obama. Let's come together and elect Obama as the next president of the USA.
Any fool who compares a simple question from Tim Russet to Hillary Clinton and turns it into a Anita Hill thing needs some serious help.

After the debate last week, there is just no way Hillary will release any of her records until after the election.  Might as well face that fact and that can part of the debate when we go into the general elections.

After seeing that debate with Hillary, those middle east leaders are just quaking in their shoes, probably from all the laughter.  The terrorists are probably saying to themselves "we have four years to rebuild our gang with this silly woman in office".


as usual the top three CEO dominate this site. however it is biden who clearly had pulse of international affairs at debate with his concern of pakistan. he submitted the plan for iraq and is dead on for pakistan instability, which is why he should be higher tier as we need someone savy in the white house to steer us clear and out of these messes bush got us in. while the top tier reacts to crisis biden predicts the state of affairs in this area. he clearly demonstrates the leardership we need in 08'
It is very interesting that the Producer's of SNL ( Saturday night live)asked barack to do a cameo appereance & not hillary. People( democrats) who say he is not like bill clinton, just can't see thru the color of his skin. This man has a genuine ease to participate in such a skit.He may not play the sax on MTV, but he comes across with an aura that appeals to many voter's across the spectrum. Let's be honest folks, can you see hillary's advisors letting her do such a spur of the moment appearance, I THINK NOT.
In great news for Democrats, a new general election poll   from Kentucky shows Republicans very weak, and Clinton and Obama very competitive: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/sunday-polls-kentucky-is-still-bluer.html  

The poll also shows Mitch McConnell very weak in his Senate campaign.
The debate was tough on Hillary because she has a lot of questionable ethics in her campaign.  Her practice of pandering dilutes her sincerety leaving it in question.  If she thinks her political opponents were hard on her wait until the world leaders and world issues grill her. Her presidencial responsibilities would not be different if she were a man or a woman, or black or white. The world wants to know where we stand, especially after the current administration.  

Issues that were brought up had nothing to do with her gender - it was wrong to defend her by saying she was piled up on because she is a woman. They addressed her shortcomings as a potential leader of our country. And I think successfully.  I think she evaporated under pressure. Steam was coming out of her ears.  We need someone who does not have to be defensive when scrutinized.

Imagine for a moment if all the candidates looked alike - same gender, same ethnic background - who would you support and trust to lead our country and represent us to the world?

My answer - Obama/Edwards (and a good spot for Biden in foreign affairs- Sec. of State?)
The last Democratic debate changed my mind for good: I think Edwards is the only Democrat who can beat the Republican opponent. He seems aggressive and sharp enough to win the general election and I see great potential in him, as far as developing into an effective leader. I really see something there the others don't have. It's his sharpness, his aggression, his persistence. He's not passive. He's not Bush.
All the NO BRAINERS,,,  Sending a Washington self serving Paper hanger to be the next President should be a crime! Thus a lunatic wanting to build her own domain is a cruel hoax on America.  Clinton is a major partof the Problem in the Senate!  

Clinton, a Washington self serving Paper Hanger,, She is a Professional LIAR. Shown on national T.V. flipping and flopping, conjecture and babbling is not common sense. Her record of voting sucks, is this of now just lies and conjecture, for the next four years you will pay for the lunatic to continue screwing the people of this nation!


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(C)2007 SPAMBOT Ron Paul Edition
I feel so sad for this country because we will get another possible eight years of Republican rule because we cannot get past race.  Obama is a good man not spolied by corrupt Washington politics.  He is good to the core and the best kind of leader.  He has good judgement and is not swayed by emotion.  He looks at facts and makes excellent decisions.  I am a life long democrat and I will never vote for Clinton.  Clinton represents more of the same.  She cannot be trusted on issues important to this country and her judgement has been shown to be extremely flawed.  She does not have the intelligence or forsight to get this country out of the mess it is in.  To send her to the general election is such an irresponsible choice.  She will lose any crossover republican vote and the independent vote (and not even all demcrats will be able to hold their nose and vote for  her); without these voters the general election is lost for sure.  I pray everyday that our country will have the courage to elect Obama/Edwards for president/vice president; they are the kind of leaders that can restore our national pride.  

Donna, Boca Raton, FL:  
She still scares me as her focus now and always has been totally on her with an abundance of nerve and with no hesitation or conscience.  Really, just like George including with an abundance of subterfuge.
It is very interesting that the Producer's of SNL ( Saturday night live)asked barack to do a cameo appearance & not hillary.

What she going to do, go out there and Laugh during her segment?.....

After her debate last week and the fallout and the way she runs her campaign and the hooligans and criminals she has, America wakes up to comedy everyday from the Clinton's.
Edwards is such a phony and it's so obvious

I agree with Karlos. Joe Biden has been great in the debates and he is the only one on that stage that has real command of the issues and knows what he is talking about.

He would make a great president but unfortunately will never get the chance. Hillary will get the nomination and I hope she picks Biden for VP.

Clinton/Biden '08
Dowd sums up Hillary perfectly:

"There is nowhere she won’t go, so long as it gets her where she wants to be."

We need fundamental change in the Democratic party.

Obama 08

One person is needed NOW to build bridges across race, religion, ethnicity and geographies. One person is needed to free the American government from special interests and work on behalf of the people of this country. He is Barack Obama. Let's come together and elect Obama as the next president of the USA.

- I couldn't have said it better myself.  

Barack alone has the ability to rally the nation and the world together in a great healing that the world  desperatly needs now.  World leaders will respect him because they will know where they stand with him. He will listen to them.  The people in IRAQ need to know that the new president was OPPOSED to the occupation of Iraq from the beginning.  They need to know that there is a president now that is different (not defient) than the last one.  The world needs to know that the US is back on track and working for peace.

Hillary lacks the foresight Obama has.  She is too divisive. Her ethics and motives are questionable.  She resists negotiations with enemy nations (which seems to be everyone at the moment), but not with special interests.  It is a woman's perogative to change her mind - but not a world leader.

Obama is a gift.  A born leader in the best sense.  The experience issue is moot - this man has what is takes and we need it NOW - the sooner the better!
Clinton will not get all the black female vote and by the end of the campaign I will be surprised if she gets any in the general election.  College is very different from the work place.  As a black woman, some of the worst offenders in the workplace who have taken active roles in attempting to derail my career have been white women.  So there is no "sisterhood" among white and black women especially in the workplace.  By the same measure, some of the best people who have taken active roles in advancing my career have been mostly white males and occasionally black males when they have been in a position of leadership.  There is a culture among professional white women that places black women second and I want no part of that.  
Jerry writes "we have four years to rebuild our gang with this silly woman in office" .. again Jerry is living in another planet since he refues to admit that George W. Bush has allowed Al-Qaeda to regroup, and get themselves back at the same level they were at on 9/11.  The GOP lead by that idiot in the White House have allowed our biggest enemy to become stronger under there own "war on terror" efforts .... go hillary go

Hillary is like the Big Dig project in Boston......

way overpriced....
will take 20 years too long to do anything.......
full of leaks.....
and will probably get someone killed......

This "sisterhood" thing is a myth.  I've sat back and watched women destroy each other fighting and scratching their way, trying to get to the top.  Hillary is trying the same thing.  Doesn't work in the workplace, probably won't work in the general election.  
Obama Lives in A Glass House (from Lyn Sweet in today's Chicago Sun Times) Enjoy!

•   An Obama spokesman, Ben Labolt, last week declined to say where Obama's records from his years in the Illinois State Senate are located. There is no law mandating the state to archive the records. The records from Obama's office -- if he kept them -- would potentially show appointments with lobbyists, policy memos, meetings, etc.

• Obama has supported more earmark disclosure to bolster government transparency. Last June, Obama disclosed the earmarks he requested for Illinois and national interests. However, his office, after repeated requests since June, has yet to disclose earmarks Obama sought in 2006, before he was running for president.

• Obama does list the names of hundreds of bundlers -- people committed to raising at least $50,000 for the campaign -- on his Web site. He brags about the disclosure on the stump.

But that's literally all Obama does, list a name. No cities or states, information that is available to his campaign. Some names are well known because the bundlers are celebrities or longtime activists. But it's a big country, and there are more than one Bob Clark and Lou Cohen. Just listing a name does lip service to meaningful disclosure.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe, in a memo sent last week after the debate, said Obama is "setting a new standard of openness in campaign fund-raising." That's because the bar is very low.

• Obama's campaign has refused to identify the biggest bundlers, people who are raising at least $200,000 for him and are given membership in his National Finance Council. Obama, as all major candidates, declines most of the time to disclose details about most fund-raising events.

• During a town hall meeting last month in Dover, N.H., Obama pledged that he would post all meetings he would hold as president on the Internet. As a senator, Obama has never done that.

• Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) routinely releases a detailed schedule of his Washington, D.C., meetings -- with international leaders, Illinois state and local officials, constituents and lobbyists.


Obama's Missing Votes -

Obama has missed more votes than any Senator running for President and was AWOL on the SCHIP and Kyle Lieberman votes.

Yes - the Kyle Lieberman bill that he has critized Hillary for voting for.  He DID NOT SHOW UP to vote against it!

Well, when you are running 25 points behind, I guess you need to spend all your time campaigning!!!

Check out the new Newsweek and ABC/WA Post Polls - Hillary STILL leading by double digits. Sweet!

Oh, and the cheap shot directed at the Clinton's on SNL - that's the politics of Hope?
Can we get past the race/gender issue?

It is wrong to vote for or against someone because she is a woman.

It is wrong to vote for or against anyone because they are black.

It is wrong to vote for or against someone because they are white.

It is wrong to vote for or against someone because of their religion.

Grow up and get back to the 21st century.  If we don't get smart we're gonna get more of the same.
The terrorists are probably saying to themselves "we have four years to rebuild our gang with this silly woman in office".  jerry/corpus christi texas

jerry, I believe you left out their next sentence. "She will continue to provide American soldiers in Iraq to generate fresh recruits to our cause and to be our training targets"
Ricardo:

If Hillary Clinton falls to pieces because she can't answer a question from Tim Russert and Brian Williams, how can she be expected to deal with terrorists and deranged dictators?  Her showing last week only showed that as a woman, Hillary has a long way to go before she can play with the boys.
So that Sweet column was the extent to which the Clinton oppo could hurt Obama? Please. I know for a fact now which one of these I'd rather have running in a general election.

Last week's debate proved that Hillary Clinton as the nominee means the party is going to lose - again.

According to the newest Washington Post/ABC Poll:

Hillary: Favorable (50%), Unfavorable (46%)

Obama: Favorable (51%), Unfavorable (36%)

Edwards: Favorable (49%), Unfavorable (35%)

Come on fellow Democrats, open your eyes. Not only is Hillary not electable in the general election, she does not even espouse the general vision of the Democratic Party. You want true progressive change, vote

Edwards/Obama '08
the war on terror isn't terrorizing the terrorists, its terrorizing the us population. the push into iraq under the guise of 9/11' a projected 2.4 trillion bill for us in 10 years, gas prices, the inflated cost of even groceries [milk up .70 a gallon] with trans .costs  and no end in sight. meet joe biden the only candidate with a plan and ability to predict pakistan instability in the debate, and all i see on the web is the CEO [clin.eds.&obam.] as a solution. if they're so great why was the phrase i agree with joe uttered so frequently. he's the man with a plan that united 70 plus on iraq. that's why and saw pakistan coming. get him off the bottom tier and lets have some real debate on who's best qualified.
Shadow - Now that's curious.  We should take some portions of national polls seriously, but other portions (presumably the ones we do not like) should be discarded as unreliable.  

Either the poll is good or the poll is not good.  If it is not representative of who is leading in the Democratic race, why then would it be representative of performance in the general election?
If Hillary Clinton falls to pieces because she can't answer a question from Tim Russert and Brian Williams, how can she be expected to deal with terrorists and deranged dictators?

Just imagine her against the Republican candidate's scrutiny in a general election debate!!!!!  OMG she would give it away to the Repugnants.
Jerry - Try reading the whole article.  Clinton was invited to do SNL in September.
The only TRUE leader, who has been leading from the gitgo I might add, is John Edwards. He has taken on corporations for years and has won. we need a champion for the American people. We need to take back our government people! The corporatocracy currently running the world wants nothing more than a Clinton in the WH it will remain business as usual. It is rare for a true populist , we may not get the opportunity again anytime to soon. An Edwards/Obama ticket IS a winner and would assure a government looking out for us "WE the people" for 16 years a time frame that can reverse the damage done.Please educate yourselves about these candidates independantly. Don't blindly believe these selfserving pundits, they are part of the Corporate media and are owned.
Edwards 2008 "The Peoples President"
Hillary is way ahead in the polling, but Edwards or Obama would be fine too.  Whatever happens we need a DEMOCRAT in the White House. The republicans are trying to get us to fight. JUST vote democratic on election day!
Pakistan has had a female president...why not the country that is supposed to display equality for all?

I mean even Pakistan elected a woman...Britian,...

Why should we be the last?
Carrie:

read a little higher.  I cut & pasted that from Rick,Ky........
Nobody can win in 2008 without the majority of the independent vote. Period.  The majority of indies voted with the Republican base for decades up until 2006.  Then, in many parts of the country, especially here in Colorado, they quite suddenly started voting with Democrats.  That is the ONLY reason Colorado now has a Democratic Governor,  Democrats in control of both houses of the state legislature and a Democratic majority congressional delegation.  

The percentage of unaffiliated voters is growing all the time and they are going to determine who wins the White House in 2008.  Go Edwards.  He can get  all the Dems who voted for Kerry and would vote for Clinton and take the majority of the independents,too.

Same goes for Republicans.  2006 proved the base isn't enough for them either without pulling most of the indies no matter what Carl Rove's faith based numbers said. That's the reality.  Dems just need to decide whether they want to go faith based, like those who predicted dancing in the streets of Iraq when we invaded followed by a quick transition to a happy Jeffersonian democracy, or they can choose reality based thinking.  

And by the way, single women, Hillarys biggest fans, have a lousy voting rate.  Once again, go Edwards.


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