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Oh-eight (R): Stand by your man

Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:15 AM by Mark Murray
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So whom is the Bush family supporting in the GOP race? The Washington Post does a comprehensive look and finds Bush clan fairly split. Literally, Jeb Bush's kids are split between Thompson and Giuliani (while Jeb himself seems the most complimentary to Romney). And that's the Bushes in a nutshell: They’re basically as undecided as the GOP itself.

GIULIANI: Rudy appears to have made the decision that he's going to stand by Bernie Kerik in some form no matter what happens, defending his friend's stint as a crime fighter. "Giuliani said yesterday that the crime-fighting successes of the disgraced former police commissioner, Bernard B. Kerik, outweighed his legal problems, and added that ‘if I have the same degree of success and failure as president of the United States, this country will be in great shape.’”

In the interview with AP, Giuliani said that he had erred in not thoroughly vetting Mr. Kerik, who is now under a federal investigation for accepting free renovations while he was working for Mr. Giuliani from a construction firm suspected of having links to organized crime. But Mr. Giuliani said that Mr. Kerik’s wrongdoing did not diminish what he had accomplished for the city. ‘There were mistakes made with Bernie Kerik,’ Mr. Giuliani said in the interview. ‘But what’s the ultimate result for the people of New York City? The ultimate result for the people of New York City was a 74 percent reduction in shootings, a 60 percent reduction in crime, a correction program that went from being one of the worst in the country to one that was on “60 Minutes” as one of the best in the country, 90 percent reduction of violence in the jails.”

Besides Kerik, Giuliani addressed his business dealings in the AP interview. “Giuliani laughed when asked if he would ever release a list of clients involved with his consulting firm, Giuliani Partners. ‘Everything I did with Giuliani Partners has been totally legal, totally ethical. They are a very ethical and law-abiding business… There's nothing for me to explain about it. We've acted honorably, decently."

HUCKABEE: The candidate was raising money in Fred Thompson's backyard at Franklin's Williamson Christian College.

MCCAIN: In corn country, McCain told Iowans “he opposes government subsidies on ethanol the same way he opposes subsidies on other products, including oil.”

The last thing the McCain campaign needs is liberal columnists asking the "can he come back" question. When more conservative columnists do it, then the campaign will know he's getting somewhere. Still, this E.J. Dionne piece does have some good quotes to use in fundraising emails.

PAUL: The AP writes, “Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, aided by an extraordinary outpouring of Internet support Monday, hauled in more than $4.2 million in nearly 24 hours… Paul's total deposed Mitt Romney as the single-day fundraising record holder in the Republican presidential field. When it comes to sums amassed in one day, Paul now ranks only behind Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton, who raised nearly $6.2 million on June 30, and Barack Obama.”

The idea for yesterday's record-setting fundraising push for Ron Paul was hatched about a month ago among supporters not affiliated with the campaign, Paul spokesman Jesse Benton tells First Read. The supporters wanted to raise money online and make a statement. So they put together a Web site, with the hook of November 5. The date’s significance was two fold -- 364 days before the 2008 presidential election and the British Fawkes Day, named after Guy Fawkes, who attempted to blow up the British Parliament in the 17th Century and is referenced in the movie “V for Vendetta,” which Benton called, “Kind of a cool flick.”
 
On the haul, Benton said they “expected it to be a good day,” but he was admittedly surprised by just how much the total wound up being. How has Paul done it? He represents three disparate groups -- “old Republicans,” as Benton called them, of the “Taft/Goldwater vein,” who believe in “not policing the world;” marginalized libertarians; and disaffected liberals and moderate Democrats frustrated by a continued war in Iraq. “It’s a mixture of the three,” Benton said. “Democrats were elected in '06 to end this thing [the war in Iraq] and haven’t been able to.” But that is not your typical Republican primary voter, and Benton acknowledged that. “Obviously that is a concern,” Benton said.
 
Paul has said -- and Benton affirmed -- that the candidate will not, and cannot support, a candidate in favor of continuing the war in Iraq and certainly would not back a Democrat. But Paul has also said, and Benton insists, he will not seek a third-party run; he will not be this cycle’s Ross Perot. “Ron’s run third party before, and ballot access makes it almost impossible,” a pragmatic-sounding Benton said of Paul, who ran as the Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate in 1988. But what happens to that fervent, activist base if Paul doesn’t win his party’s nomination? Will they just sit idly -- with all their millions already poured in -- as Paul stands on the sidelines? What happens when they start passing those petitions to draft Paul to run? They’ll make a compelling case. Guy Fawkes certainly wouldn’t sit it out.

ROMNEY: Paul Weyrich endorsing Romney is getting some attention. The Boston Globe notes: "Weyrich's support could help Romney make further inroads with evangelical Christian leaders who consider his Mormon faith heretical, and could also aid Romney in blunting the surging candidacy of Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and Baptist preacher who is an ally of the causes that are dear to Weyrich." More: “‘This is a significant boon for the Romney campaign,’ said Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, who has not endorsed a candidate yet. ‘Weyrich's endorsement will speak loudly to conservatives in general - guys who care about guns and taxes and everything else, but especially religious conservatives.’”

Romney's latest direct mail piece to land in Iowa mailboxes subtlely targets Giuliani. "Mitt Romney is drawing contrasts with rival Rudy Giuliani on the issue of immigration in a new mailing being sent to Iowa Republican activists. In the mailing, Romney touts his plan to slash funding for cities that declare themselves immigration sanctuaries.”

NBC/NJ's Erin McPike was with Romney in Florida yesterday. Both in his stump speech and in his answers later to reporters, Romney suggested that marriage is a status that doesn’t change in separate regions and therefore ought to be legislated on a national level. And asked to evaluate Republican rival Fred Thompson’s Meet the Press appearance, Romney critiqued his stance on same-sex marriage. “A person who moves around the country carries that status with them. And embracing the idea of same-sex marriage in one state without recognizing its impact on the entire nation I think is wrong. It’s one of the places we disagree, and so far as I can tell, among the four front-runners in the national standings at least, I’m the only one that says we have to have a national standard for marriage,” he said.

Salon's Scherer finds a Florida evangelical minister in Florida, Bill Keller, who doesn't have many nice things to say about Mormons. "Though Keller's rhetoric is extreme and his predictions are controversial, his biblical reasoning is mainstream for many of the nation's Christian evangelicals, who make up about 40 percent of the Republican Party. Large denominations like the Southern Baptist Convention have long considered Mormonism to be a cult, not a true path to salvation."

THOMPSON: In New Hampshire yesterday, Thompson got to show off his gun stance. “Seeking to point out his differences with his fellow Republican presidential candidates, the former Tennessee senator and actor toured the Thompson Center Arms factory and spoke to more than 100 workers, some with tattoos on their necks.”

The campaign is still doing some cleanup from Sunday's Meet appearance, especially on the issue of abortion. If Thompson's the nominee, he will not try and remove the human life amendment from the GOP platform, so reports CBN's David Brody.

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I cannot comprehend why Thompson is still in this race. He repeatedly makes blunders about issues as if he has not fully studied it. All he is doing is living on his popularity as an actor to get him through the process. Quite frankly, I seriously doubt Thompson can even rent South Carolina. So far, he is not even doing any commercials their or many of the other first caucus states with the exception of Iowa.

If America is going to change, it is not going to be by the hands of a former lobbiest. Those guys are why we are in the mess we are in to begin with.
Anyone interested in what Huckabee is like face-to-face can try this funny (but trhttp://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/02/title_14ue) column at:
I would hate to see Ron Paul supporters sit this one out and help elect Hillary.  Can any of the major candidates Guiliani,Romney, Thompson et al  have Ron Paul on their ticket?  Libertarians are a unique strain of conservatives.  Other than the foreign policy crevice which is admittedly expansive as none of the republican's are non-interventionists, who does Paul line up well with.

That being said, my problem with R. Paul is that the constitution doesn't say to avoid entangling alliances.  That was something Jefferson warned against.  However, we relied on "entangling alliances" with France and others to win our independence.  Those alliances later saved us from a swastika on every state capital.  

While I am a Romney man, I agree with Ron Paul that a long line of  Presidents have usurped war powers from Congress.  However, Congress has allowed that to happen.  When public support for war exists and it appears to be in out national security interests to declare war, congress has to step up to the plate with a formal declaration.  They share a huge part of the blame for the abdication of that role.  When a President you do have to make a decision--do you reverse history and turn it over to congress? After all, the constitution does make the president Commander in Chief.  That would lend authority to act short of war.  It is a fascinating constitutional question.   Rudy says no, he doesn't need congress' approval to act unilaterally. Paul says yes.  Romney says he would consult legal counsel.  While he was ballyhoed for saying that, this is a constitutional question debated in every law school and Romney is right in recognizing that that these are tough questions of law and fact that should be brought to the attorney general and others.
Isn't Romney a member of the anti-American sovereignty CFR. After researching what the CFR stands for, why would any American vote for Romney unless they are Mormon or ambivalent?
Ron Paul's personal courage in the face of media tyranny only strengthens my resolve to support his campagne to the very end. It's Dr. Paul in 2008 or no one. The Constitution must be saved for our country to remain great. The criminal scum currently in power must be uprooted and brought to justice. Thank you.
David, R U saying that the media determines how you vote?  R U that mentally cripped?  Ron Paul's next move: Barry Goldwater's revenge.  Nationally replay the political ad: the daisy girl.  These nuclear first stikers have neither morality or simple common sense.  Duh let's blow up an atomic bomb next door to Russia and europe, and only the towel heads shall seek to express "blowback".
The national debts completely out of control, let's contemplate another world war. mmm in the last on over 80,000,000 people eat a bullet.  Man's inhumanity to man has grown with our technological know how.  Let's elect another neo cum and die with half the planet.  HillBillary now that's a great option.  A scandal plagued presidency.  HillBillery sure does have credential a husband that got impeached, yea yea good idea vote for her and the goat.  How about a mormon, sure christianity's a dead religion anyway.  Mr. President we have a crisis!  "Duh let me consult my guru lawyers".
Huckabebe, Mr. President 10,000 Americans have died in Iraq ... "But at least they died with honor."  Pride comes before the republic falls.  A neo cum decides to take the nation into an illegal war, and all governments thereafter for the sake of honor must continue the war.  That's a GREAT IDEA!!!!! VOTE FOR HUCKABEBE.  Then there's that Ron Paul fellow, 10 term Republican Congressman, that before a single vote is cast Big interests with entangling alliances with the industrial military complex loudly proclaim "this guy's not a Republican!"  "Don't throw your vote away this Libertarian doesn't stand a chance in Hell"  "Let's bar this Libertarian from the Republican debates"  
Ron Paul wins the debates:  "Oh these nuts are spamming that Nut Case Docter did not win"  "Hanni wipe reports most auhtoritatively: "There's cheatn Ron Paul did not win that debate! I'm telling you Ron Paul did not win that debate.  Let's hire people to boo Ron Paul when he says he supports the Constitution.  Let's take 25 people who don't like Ron Paul and ask them they're opinion if Ron Paul won the debate and call this "we report you decide".
Let's report about a comedian who drops out of the Presidential race and ignore a record breaking event: Ron Pauls supporters raise 4.2 million dollars for their candidate in one day!

David these people you want to join and support?  Have a vice day.
David, R U saying that the media determines how you vote?  R U that mentally cripped?  Ron Paul's next move: Barry Goldwater's revenge.  Nationally replay the political ad: the daisy girl.  These nuclear first stikers have neither morality or simple common sense.  Duh let's blow up an atomic bomb next door to Russia and europe, and only the towel heads shall seek to express "blowback".
The national debts completely out of control, let's contemplate another world war. mmm in the last on over 80,000,000 people eat a bullet.  Man's inhumanity to man has grown with our technological know how.  Let's elect another neo cum and die with half the planet.  HillBillary now that's a great option.  A scandal plagued presidency.  HillBillery sure does have credential a husband that got impeached, yea yea good idea vote for her and the goat.  How about a mormon, sure christianity's a dead religion anyway.  Mr. President we have a crisis!  "Duh let me consult my guru lawyers".
Huckabebe, Mr. President 10,000 Americans have died in Iraq ... "But at least they died with honor."  Pride comes before the republic falls.  A neo cum decides to take the nation into an illegal war, and all governments thereafter for the sake of honor must continue the war.  That's a GREAT IDEA!!!!! VOTE FOR HUCKABEBE.  Then there's that Ron Paul fellow, 10 term Republican Congressman, that before a single vote is cast Big interests with entangling alliances with the industrial military complex loudly proclaim "this guy's not a Republican!"  "Don't throw your vote away this Libertarian doesn't stand a chance in Hell"  "Let's bar this Libertarian from the Republican debates"  
Ron Paul wins the debates:  "Oh these nuts are spamming that Nut Case Docter did not win"  "Hanni wipe reports most auhtoritatively: "There's cheatn Ron Paul did not win that debate! I'm telling you Ron Paul did not win that debate.  Let's hire people to boo Ron Paul when he says he supports the Constitution.  Let's take 25 people who don't like Ron Paul and ask them they're opinion if Ron Paul won the debate and call this "we report you decide".
Let's report about a comedian who drops out of the Presidential race and ignore a record breaking event: Ron Pauls supporters raise 4.2 million dollars for their candidate in one day!

David these people you want to join and support?  Have a vice day.
David, R U saying that the media determines how you vote?  R U that mentally cripped?  Ron Paul's next move: Barry Goldwater's revenge.  Nationally replay the political ad: the daisy girl.  These nuclear first stikers have neither morality or simple common sense.  Duh let's blow up an atomic bomb next door to Russia and europe, and only the towel heads shall seek to express "blowback".
The national debts completely out of control, let's contemplate another world war. mmm in the last world war over 80,000,000 people ate a bullet.  Man's inhumanity to man has grown with our technological know how.  Let's elect another neo cum and die with half the planet.  HillBillary now that's a great option.  A scandal plagued presidency.  HillBillery sure does have credential a husband that got impeached, yea yea good idea vote for her and the goat.  How about a mormon, sure christianity's a dead religion anyway.  Mr. President we have a crisis!  "Duh let me consult my guru lawyers".
Huckabebe, Mr. President 10,000 Americans have died in Iraq ... "But at least they died with honor."  Pride comes before the republic falls.  A neo cum decides to take the nation into an illegal war, and all governments thereafter for the sake of honor must continue the war.  That's a GREAT IDEA!!!!! VOTE FOR HUCKABEBE.  Then there's that Ron Paul fellow, 10 term Republican Congressman, that before a single vote is cast Big interests with entangling alliances with the industrial military complex loudly proclaim "this guy's not a Republican!"  "Don't throw your vote away this Libertarian doesn't stand a chance in Hell"  "Let's bar this Libertarian from the Republican debates"  
Ron Paul wins the debates:  "Oh these nuts are spamming that Nut Case Docter did not win"  "Hanni wipe reports most auhtoritatively: "There's cheatn Ron Paul did not win that debate! I'm telling you Ron Paul did not win that debate.  Let's hire people to boo Ron Paul when he says he supports the Constitution.  Let's take 25 people who don't like Ron Paul and ask them their opinion if Ron Paul won the debate and call this "we report you decide".
Let's report about a comedian who drops out of the Presidential race and ignore a record breaking event: Ron Pauls supporters raise 4.2 million dollars for their candidate in one day!

David these people you want to join and support?  Have a vice day.
Bush won the 2004 nomination with no competition.

As incumbent wartime president he was guaranteed victory in the primaries.

The only reason to vote in the 2004 primary was to show support for Bush and the Iraq War.  IF the Republicans were so gung-ho about Bush and the war in 2004, they would have flocked to the primaries and support him.

But, they did NOT. The 2004 Republican turnout was the lowest in history. Those who voted in it are staunch Bush supporters and war Hawks.  

All the "Scientific Polls" are ONLY contacting that very low percentage of Die hard Bush supporters and war hawks.  

They are a fring element and do not represent the Republican party as a whole.  These polls are not "scientific" and in fact are SERIOUSLY FLAWED because they  represent a very small group of hawkish  staunch bush supporters and not the average Joe Republican, not to mention the droves of moderate democrats and independents who have registered to vote for Ron PAul in the Primaries.

RON PAUL CAN WIN THE NOMINATION!!

Ron Paul has won 17 straw polls and every single online poll!!!

Early Primary victories will prove Ron Paul can win!!

RON PAUL CAN WIN THE NOMINATION!!
As a person who voted republican for 26 years.  I won't vote for Romny, Giuliani, or any of the other hucksters.  Maybe McCain.
I will only vote Ron Paul.  IF not paul then the republicans deserve to lose and I hope the Republican party becomes a thing of the past like the Wig party.
David, R U saying that the media determines how you vote?  R U that mentally cripped?  Ron Paul's next move: Barry Goldwater's revenge.  Nationally replay the political ad: the daisy girl.  These nuclear first stikers have neither morality or simple common sense.  Duh let's blow up an atomic bomb next door to Russia and europe, and only the towel heads shall seek to express "blowback".
The national debts completely out of control, let's contemplate another world war. mmm in the last world war over 80,000,000 people ate a bullet.  Man's inhumanity to man has grown with our technological know how.  Let's elect another neo cum and die with half the planet.  HillBillary now that's a great option.  A scandal plagued presidency.  HillBillery sure does have credential a husband that got impeached, yea yea good idea vote for her and the goat.  How about a mormon, sure christianity's a dead religion anyway.  Mr. President we have a crisis!  "Duh let me consult my guru lawyers".
Huckabebe, Mr. President 10,000 Americans have died in Iraq ... "But at least they died with honor."  Pride comes before the republic falls.  A neo cum decides to take the nation into an illegal war, and all governments thereafter for the sake of honor must continue the war.  That's a GREAT IDEA!!!!! VOTE FOR HUCKABEBE.  Then there's that Ron Paul fellow, 10 term Republican Congressman, that before a single vote is cast Big interests with entangling alliances with the industrial military complex loudly proclaim "this guy's not a Republican!"  "Don't throw your vote away this Libertarian doesn't stand a chance in Hell"  "Let's bar this Libertarian from the Republican debates"  
Ron Paul wins the debates:  "Oh these nuts are spamming that Nut Case Docter did not win"  "Hanni wipe reports most auhtoritatively: "There's cheatn Ron Paul did not win that debate! I'm telling you Ron Paul did not win that debate.  Let's hire people to boo Ron Paul when he says he supports the Constitution.  Let's take 25 people who don't like Ron Paul and ask them their opinion if Ron Paul won the debate and call this "we report you decide".
Let's report about a comedian who drops out of the Presidential race and ignore a record breaking event: Ron Pauls supporters raise 4.2 million dollars for their candidate in one day!

David these people you want to join and support?  Have a vice day.
Pat Robertson did what???

How did that decision go down?

Here is the actual (lol) account of how the decision to back Rudy Giuliani at TBN.

Should we pick Guiliani, or Dr. Paul?  Let's do a analysis of them with the interest of Christians in mind.

First Giuliani:
Personal.
1. Lawyer whose firm represents Hugo Chavez.
2. Married 3 times, once to his cousin, and had affairs.
3. Likes to dress up like women
Issues.
1. Pro-Abortion
2. Pro-Gay Marriage
3. Pro-Gun Control

Okay, lets look at Ron Paul:
Personal.
1. Obgyn that has delivered over 4000 babies.
2. Air Force Captain during Vietnam
3. Married faithfully for 50 years to the same woman.
4. 10 term Congressman
5. Personal friend of Ronald Reagan.
Issues.
1. Pro-Life
2. Pro-Second Ammendment
3. Pro-Making Marriage a State's Rights Issue.

Gee, who do we pick?  Too tough, let's get out the dart.  Okay, Giuliani it is.
Darren,

Robertson's endorsement does seem a pretty weird choice for an evengelical, I would readily agree.
What's with "hoping" that Guiliani would appoint judges he approves of when Guiliani's everyday choices would lead you to believe otherwise?

I can only surmise that Robertson doesn't really think Ron Paul has a prayer and so is more worried about having a Mormon in office than in staying true to his principles. He may be thinking that if Romney is nominated, it might make Mormons look like legitimate human beings.

Ron Paul supports don't get polled. Neo-cons do. I've been a GOPer since I could vote. I skipped the primaries along with 94% of the GOP, where they voted for Bush. I won't get polled. I'm not a 'likely voter'. Well, we'll see how that criteria of 'likely' pans out. The dems who've joined the Ron Paul Revolution wont get polled. The independents wont get polled. I live in Ann Arbor. The Ann Arbor meetup is joining with the Columbus meetup for the Ohio St-Michigan game. "Wolverines and Buckeyes agree on Ron Paul" Trust me, it's the only thing we agree on! And yes, we'll be at the primaries. The Ron Paul camp knows how to spread a message, I think people are finding.

Also, to question if Ron Paul has 'CEO' ability... who the hell wants a CEO?! No one likes their boss! I want an American President!
Rhys,

The job of president of the United States IS a CEO job.  Even though many of us really like many things about your man, it is not looking that he is very EFFECTIVE at many of the things CEO's or even managers do.

You are very frustrated with how the media ignores Ron Paul, but it is Ron Paul's job to get his message heard. If he can't do that, maybe he's not really up to the standard required for POTUS. The media is going to HATE whatever Republican gets the nomination anyway, done deal.  So the nominee has GOT to be able to handle a hostile media. He's got to have the social intelligence and social skills to handle people of differeing opinions.  We may admire Paul for his integrity, but his in-your-face style isn't taken from "How to Win Friends and INFLUENCE People" -- emphasis on the word INFLUENCE.

The nominee has to be someone who is capable of influencing voters to Change Their Minds about issues.


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