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Oh-eight (D): Not her 'best' performance

Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:58 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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BIDEN: The senator, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, issued this statement after speaking with Musharraf by phone yesterday: "We had a very frank and detailed discussion. I told President Musharraf how critical it is for relations between our two countries that elections go forward as planned in January, that he follow through on his commitment to take off his uniform and that he restore the rule of law to Pakistan.  It is clear to me from our conversation that President Musharraf understands the consequences for his country and for relations with the United States if he does not return Pakistan to the path of democracy." 

CLINTON: In an interview with CNN yesterday, Clinton acknowledged that she wasn't "at her best" at last week's MSNBC debate. "We've had a bunch of debates and I wouldn't rank that up in my very top list,” she said. "But I've answered probably, I don't know, more than 5,000 questions over the last 10 months and I have been very clear about where I stand and what I want to do for the country."

On the drivers' license issue: "It depends upon what state they're in, it depends upon what [governors] think the risks are," Clinton said. "The governor of New York has a lot of immigrants, many of whom we know are not there legally; [he] has to worry about security. A governor of another state where that's not a problem doesn't.

"This issue has been so politicized," Clinton continued, "and I understand that, because you can score points, you can score all kinds of political, demagogic points."

Politico's Smith notes Clinton hedged -- again -- on the drivers' license issue.

By the way, here's the full context of Bill Clinton's comparison of the criticism his wife received over drivers' licenses for illegal immigrants -- to the Swiftboating of John Kerry and the targeted of Max Cleland. "We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to snide comments being about Vice President Gore being stiff, when they made dishonest claims about things he said he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry, when there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man who left half his body in Vietnam. And a guy who had several deferments ran an ad with Max Cleland's picture with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden because he dared to vote against the president's version of the homeland security bill.

“I had the feeling at the end of the last debate we were about to get into cutesyland again. Y'all raise your hands if you're illegal immigrants getting drivers' licenses. So we let the Republicans run an ad that all the Democrats are against the rule of law. Look, I think it's fine to discuss illegal immigration. We should. Illegal immigration needs to be discussed. And it's fine for Hillary and all the other guys to be asked about Gov. Spitzer's plan. But not in yes, no, raise your hand."

Both Obama and Dodd "ripped" Bill Clinton for making a Swiftboat reference. Dodd: "To have the former President come out and suggest this is a form of Swift-boating ... is way over the top in my view.” Obama: "How you would then draw an analogy to distorting somebody's military record is a reach.”

The New York Post reports: “In a stunning in-house slap at the former president, a senior adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and were considered counterproductive by her advisers.”

EDWARDS: The campaign retooled its most recent TV ad slightly to appeal to New Hampshire voters. "In the Iowa commercial all but one of the people shown are white, reflecting the majority of caucus-goers in Iowa. The New Hampshire commercial features an African-American woman in addition to the Hispanic waitress seen in the Iowa release. Asked about the differences between the two commercials, Eric Schultz, national spokesman for the campaign, said only that the commercial had ‘filmed a lot of New Hampshire faces’ to highlight ‘hardworking’ people. There are educators, union members, and other laborers, he said.” 

The Boston Globe profiles Edwards’ daughter Cate, a student at Harvard Law. She has a full schedule between classes, work and campaigning for dad. In fact, she scheduled her classes so she’d have Mondays and Fridays free to campaign.

OBAMA: In his speech today in Iowa on “reclaiming the American Dream,” Obama will talk about his plans to provide middle-class tax cuts up to $1,000, to reform bankruptcy laws, and to provide refundable tax credit for college education. Per excerpts of the speech, Obama will say: “We’re not going to reclaim that dream unless we put an end to the politics of polarization and division that is holding this country back; unless we stand up to the corporate lobbyists that have stood in the way of progress; unless we have leadership that doesn’t just tell people what they want to hear – but tells everyone what they need to know. That’s the change we need."

The Politico: "The speech is aimed at expanding Obama’s base beyond the ‘NPR-listening, Starbucks-drinking, Prius-driving, Times-reading’ stereotype that has become a shorthand for his appeal to the party’s elite.”

The AP: “Obama offers a personal account of growing up without his father in a new ad airing on South Carolina radio stations that target black listeners. ‘My father left when I was two. I only saw him once after that. My mother did her best, struggling to take care of my sister and me,’ Obama says in the statewide ad airing on 36 stations.”

Obama kept a large crowd in Iowa waiting for more than an hour last night. The University of Iowa newspaper focused on the delay in its first five graphs.

Obama hit Clinton on her energy policy yesterday. "It's hard to believe that she is a strong ethanol supporter given her track record,” Obama told the Des Moines Register, “and this is something that represents a major reversal, and what we need is consistency on these issues. If she's willing to shift this quickly on this issue, we don't know whether she will shift back when it gets hard."

NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann reports from Obama’s Cedar Rapids event: Team Obama's recent promise to "differentiate" itself from rival Hillary Clinton is in full force in the three-way-tie caucus state, and last night, Obama attempted to "differentiate" the living tar out of her. He slammed her on Social Security, diplomatic strategy, health-care reform, and ethics legislation. Perhaps most noteworthy was his closing pitch to the audience, in which he enumerated reasons why he's a better choice than his main rival. "A lot of people are asking ... why you instead of Hillary? I get that a lot," Obama told rapt supporters. "I just want to address this directly, so that if anybody asks you, you can say 'This is what he said.'"

NBC/NJ's Dann adds that Obama has faced a minor dust-up in recent weeks over a web-circulated photo that alleged to show him "refusing" to hold his hand over his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance during an August campaign event. A question from a voter in Cedar Rapids tonight demonstrated that the story hasn't gone away. A mother of two asked the senator about an email she received about the incident, adding that her five year-old son is "very concerned" about the matter.  

Obama responded that the rumor is "completely misidentified," saying that the photo from the August Harkin Steak Fry was not taken during the pledge, for which he always places his hand over his heart, but during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner. (Americans often salute the flag during the National Anthem by putting their hand over their heart, but that isn't a standard protocol like most consider the reverence shown during the Pledge.)

Obama added that he's no stranger to improbable rumors about him circulating the more bizarre reaches of the Web. "This is similar to the email that's going around that says that I'm a Muslim plant trying to take over America," he said. "There's only so much that you can do around this kind of misinformation."

RICHARDSON: Richardson is joining many other second-tier campaigns by shifting staff from other states to Iowa. He's moving Nevada staffers to Iowa. "Richardson spokesman Tom Reynolds said Tuesday the New Mexico governor also had sent ‘some low-level field organizers’ from New Hampshire into Iowa. But he said top national staff from the campaign headquarters in Santa Fe, N.M., including the national political director, had been moved to New Hampshire for a net gain in that state."

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Clinton now has BIG reason to get worried. A new New Hampshire primary poll has her massively sliding, as Obama cuts her lead by 13% in a month. Link: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/morning-polls-now-here-is-reason-for.html
Musharav is a ruthless dictator who should be removed from power. Why is Bush kissing his butt?
Oh, and they're STILL asking her questions about last week?
Ha Ha Ha Ha.....I guess that's what they do when you're the front runner.
Oh by the way, all you Hillary Haters; go check the polls...Obama STILL can't get off 17%.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Like I said. Don't worry, she'll be a good President.
A 5-year-old reading an email about Pledge of Allegiance protocol and being very concerned... hmmm... I wonder how this child feels about the turbulent housing market
The BBC had a long radio piece about how big a role the military plays in the Pakistani economy. When a country works like that, you won't really have democracy whether Musharraf takes off the uniform or not. The US has put incredible pressure on Pakistan. It's not a healthy relationship. What if the Pakis and the Turks just start to blow us off? What if we have just stoked the extremists, in both countries. Between a military coup or an extremist civil war, what good happens in Pakistan? Isn't this papering over some real issues? Oh, like this election campaign?

These are, on some level, two countries that want to modernize, that 'like' the West. I think someone should ask Biden, who is the 'foreign policy guy', why he thinks having an election anytime soon is really going to reshape Pakistan. It's another country where the wealth is not evenly distributed, but there's growth. If the political process will really transform the economic imbalances, fine. But with the military controlling hotels, an airline, and other economic assets, what is really going to change?

Does a country like Chile, where brutal stability eventually brought some prosperity, provide any kind of model? What are we doing? What do we want?
Clinton is a pragmatic person.  She understands that very few things are black and white.  And while most americans disagree with the "premise" of driver's licenses for illegals, this anger doesn't translate into solutions in states were illegals on the road without basic driver knowledge is a problem.  This problem didn't crop up overnight, and it won't be solved overnight.  Years of both parties ignoring the realities is why we are here today.  Blaming goveneors who are just trying to solve the problems is really, fruitless.   While I don't agree with Spitzer, I certainly understand his problem.  That's what Clinton was saying.  It sounded wishy washy, but actually, it's a very complicated issue that can't practically be answered in a "yes"/"no" soundbite.  I find it funny, however, that Clinton's view on this seems to be that the STATES should solve these complicated problems as they see fit.  A pretty "conservative" view.   Yet, republicans are beating her up.  I wonder what Obama's view on this issue is, or Edwards?  Would their opinions be to the left of Clinton?  You can bet on it.   It's just funny, when people make determinations based on soundbites.  I guess that's how we ended up with GWB as president. God, I hope we can exercise a little critical thinking this time around.
"Polarization" is just another way of saying "divide and conquer".

It is a conscious, deliberate technique, not an unfortunate, unforeseen, or unintended consequence of personality or program.

It is how Caesar conquered Gaul. It is how the partition plan seeks to conquer ("stabilize") Iraq. And it is how Americans, no less than Iraqis, are currently being encouraged to focus on their differences rather than their commonality.

It is the exploitation, for personal or factional gain, of the inevitable fault lines that exist in any heterogeneous society, and is the mid-wife of civil war.

It is, quite simply, the hallmark of a nation in decline.
“In a stunning in-house slap at the former president, a senior adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and were considered counterproductive by her advisers.”

Did Hillary take a frying pan to his fat head?.....

For a woman who tells everybody she is more then prepared for anything, that just goes to show she is not supergal, like she brags she is.

Obama has a good plan for the middle class....
What say you Hillary?.....

Actuctly if I were Cliton I will not worry too much. The problem is even Cliton drop this big in NH and nationally, Obama can't pick up votes. If you look at the historical data in NH or national polls, Obama just bounced back to his normal poll numbers, which is middle twenties. In other words, Cliton lost big, Obama or Edwards didn't gain or gain little. However, if this trend continues in the next two month, then Cliton should be worried, very worried.
Clinton Sliding Nationally now, Bill blameing Democrats for "swiftboating", New book by Clinton Aide Katherine Willey, alleges sexual assualt by Bill clinton, and also involvement in Death of Mrs Willeys husband on the night she claims to have been assualted. How will Hillary deal with this and how will the Media portray her book TARGET: Caught in the Clinton Crosshairs...lol and will this earth shaking claim be posted on MSNBC?
I told you Hill didn't have it sewed up, too soon for everyone but the media. Bill, keep your damn mouth shut, go on a junket or something. Obama should stop playing hillary front runner card now, just speak issues, let her destory herself. Pledge story sounds like repubs are unable to come out and speak about reality, still using swifty non issues to define patriotism. Most americans are sick of this, we are all patriotic, we all love our country, look at the emotion on this site.
Scoundrels on the internet means asking yourself 'who benefits'?
I don't believe the five year old worrys about Obamas hand and where it is, what a strange story line.
If I was five, I would worry that Micheal Jackson is trying to make a come back.
At least Joe keeps it real with Musharraf, as opposed to the President who feels it unnecessary or inconvenient to take a principled stand.

And I might add, Joe is also unlike Senators Shumer, Feinstein and Specter who also have refused to take a principled stand and went ahead to approve the nomination of Judge Mukasey to the post of AG, sending the nomination to the full senate.  My God, the Democrats have control of the Senate (and Senator Specter, even though you are a Republican, I expect more from you) and yet they still do the President's bidding.  

The soul of this nation is at stake and we the people, must say no to an administration who is trashing the very values the sets us apart from, other powerful nations that existed over the course of world history and from tyranical powers of the world today.  If we follow the sullied path laid out by this administration, we will negate the spirit of virtue, so long held by our great nation.  We will do significant (perhaps irreversible) damage to our world standing.  

Waterboarding does little to help us win the hearts and minds of the people of the world. And ironically it is (as is all forms of torture) absolutely ineffective in intelligence gathering; just ask John McCain.  Think about it.  If we engage in such practices are we much different than the likes of Saddam Hussein?

People, it is important that you write your senators and tell them to reject Judge Mukasey's nomination for AG in the formal vote of the senate.  It will take all of two minutes to e-mail them.  Tell your friends and family to do the same.  Tell these senators that it is important that we stay true to justice and the rule of law, both of which have always been the hallmark of our great nation.
Obama '08
She still will not answer the question with a yes or no.
‘NPR-listening, Starbucks-drinking, Prius-driving, Times-reading’ stereotype that has become a shorthand for his appeal to the party’s elite.”

-- that's unfair! I do listen to NPR and drive a Prius but I never read the Times it is too pro-war and right wing and I don't go to Starbucks (OK I do buy a case of Frappucino at Costco). Also I didn't know I was a party elite; do I get special privileges or passes?
I do not understand what HRC talks about!!! So every state can define their security policy for undocumented immigrants? It is not United States anymore?
Biden: WHAT consequences to Pakistan from America.  Does he really think Bush is going to withold the endless billions he sank into this fool?
Hillary;just keep it simple; say, "whatever you think in this state is what I think, until I go to another state and think their way."
I think we need a class in flag protocol taught in all high schools. It could substitute for those unnecessary science classes and critical thinking. I get very confused. The article says the hand is supposed to be over the heart for the pledge, but in Boy Scouts I was taught to give the Boy Scout salute and I see other people giving military salutes.  Come on people, let's all get on the same respect page. Speaking of Boy Scouts, I recently saw a picture of Boy Scouts standing in a circle burning our flag; they actually claimed that it was the proper respectful method of disposal.  I know that can't be true because the Republicans say we need a constitutional amendment banning flag burning.  I have also seen people cheering or even singing along when the National Anthem is played instead of quietly showing reverence with the hand on the heart. We need to publish the flag protocol, train people, pass laws, amend the constitution and punish the offenders if we are to be a great country where people show genuine reverence for symbols, images and anthems.
'...I have been very clear about where I stand and what I want to do for the country."...'

Good !!
We'll see during the next debate...
The blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.....

Maybe you could clarify, Ms. Clinton:
Do you support IDs for illegal aliens ?
Do you support raising taxes for Social Security ?
If not, will you support cuts in Social Security benefits ?
How about NAFTA ?  Do you support NAFTA ?
Do you support the WTO ?
Are you a 'free trader' (sic) for a 'fair trader' ?
When will you get us out of Iraq ?
What conditions have to be met for you to withdraw troops from Iraq ?
Do we have to stay there until we remove ALL Iranian influence, as stated in the Lieberman-Kyl bill ?
Do you support active pursuit of Iranian forces in Iraq or into Iran if they threaten our troops ?
Do you support an attack on Iran ?
What kind of an attack ? Just boming or regime change ?
Will you release you White House records ?
Aren't you proud of your White House record ?

Thanks for clearing that up Hillary !!
YOU'RE THE GREATEST !!!  ;-)
After reading Bill's comments in context, I don't see what all the fuss is about.  He wasn't saying they were Swiftboating Hillary.  He was voicing concern that the Republicans were going to turn immigration into a Swiftboat'able issue in 2008 using a 30-second soundbite from a debate.  Notice he said that Hillary and all of the candidates should be required to speak about immigration and to answer questions on the issue.  What he doesn't think is that it is helpful to the discussion to limit a response to 30 seconds on such a complex issue and, thus, open the door for the GOP to Swiftboat.
Imagine getting a call from Senator hair plug Biden telling how to behave? Outrageous arrogance!
<<Musharav is a ruthless dictator . . . >

Who in the world is "Musharav"? Do you mean "Musharraf"? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you don't even know how to spell the names of the people you are trying to discuss?

And if you don't know why its important for the US to have solid relations with him and Pakistan, then you are truly out to lunch.
How'd Biden get to talk to Musharraf?  I'm not suggesting anything inappropriate but I think it's pretty nifty that, in the middle of this huge fiasco they have going on in Pakistan, Musharraf takes a phone call from Joe Biden.  
Not that I believe in national polls, but
J Merle Stanley, you might want to check your idolized polls again, both nationally and especially in NH.  You might not be laughing so hard.  It appears that there are seismic shifts occurring in the subterranean.  Hillary might just have to put a hold on measuring for those drapes in the oval office.

And if Hillary did happen to win, I ask again, why would you want to hold it over the rest of our heads as if it were a punishment?  You should be trying to assure us anti-Hillary people that ultimately we would  be happy with HRC as the nominee.

But, maybe you're right.  Maybe it would be a punishment.  I could never be happy with Hillary as the nominee, unless it was of the Republican party, where she belongs (she's really pretty close to Rudy, much to his chagrin and if Pat Robertson could endorse Rudy, I suppose that Hillary is only a half-step away).

BTW, Bill is not doing her any favors by defending her so ardently; it makes her seem unable to fend for herself.  That gender card is a loser as well.  You might tell that to Geraldine Ferraro and
Eleanor Smeal.
Obama '08
jerry.....you are just a CANTservative loudmouth trying to divide our side of the political aisle. You have no intention of voting for Obama so cut the crap about his plan for the middle class.
By the way.....if I were a Republican I would seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. He's got a much better economic plan than Giuliani, Thompson, or Romney.
How'd Biden get to talk to Musharraf?

Same way Nancy "I do foreign policy, and little else" Pelosi gets have little chats with Syrian leader Assad. Its the Democrats way of trying to show they can do a better job then Bush, and then proving that they can't.

And you somehow think that this is "nifty".
It was not Clintons best debate because she had to answer a question that she was unprepared for, and did not have the newest polling data to suggest what her answer should be.  She is not a leader she is a poll reader.  Do we really want someone like that running our country at this time in history.
Carrie

Somehow, I thought that President Musharraf called Senator Biden because he is worrying about a cut off of financial aid to his country.  Isn't that aid package currently under review by the Bush administration?  
Truth n Media:

And let's not forget Hillary has a girlfriend as well; according to Michael Musto in the Village Voice LOL.  
Biden is the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee - Musharraf will darn well take his call if he knows what's good for him.
".....How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you don't even know how to spell the names of the people you are trying to discuss? ....."
Ed Whitacre (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:33 AM)

Okay...so I spelled the guy's name wrong.
It's Musharraf, not Musharav.
So what? George Bush didn't know what the name of The Italian Head of State was when he ran for Presdident in 2000.
When his campaign advisors were questioned about it, they said he was "running for President, not trying to win a game of Trivial Pursuit."
Furthermore he recently mixed up Australia with Austria.
I'm just a blog poster, I am neither running for, nor am I President of The United States.
Also, you say Im out to lunch for disliking MUSHARRAFF.
Gee, I'm sorry but I hate all unelected dictators who assume power through use of the military. (...and I aint bying the recent "election" garbage either)
MUSHARRAF wouldn't allow Bill Clinton to stage a special military op. through Pakistan designed to get Bin Laden in the 90's, after the civilian government had already approved it. He won't Bush come across the border to look for Bin Laden even now.
The man assumed power in a military coup' de'ta, he was never elected.
Perhaps freedom and democracy are just words to someone like you.
But they actually mean something to me.
Carrie.. stop using your head and put your blinders back on.... <snicker>
J. Merle,

Because a substantial amount of Pakistanis want a taliban-style islamofascist government. Many folks think the fact that they have a nuke would make tis a bad thing--me included.
For those of you who pay attention to these polls (I still think they only amount to day to day snap shots - very volitile and very proximate) seismic shifts may be taking place this week.  The electorate may be awakening to the fact that up until now Hillary has been the convenient anti-Bush candidate. They may be finally realizing that when you really examine her non-answer, answers, she offers little, if any, difference (in policy) from the present administration - no one could argue that she is far more intelligent than the present occupant of the oval office.  

The internal polls are probably why the Clinton campaign is reacting as defensively as it is.  The triangulating house of cards may be falling (have y'all ever noticed how those structures depend on those triangles to keep standing) and only those candidates with real principle will be left standing.
The day of reckoning is upon us.  I can't wait for the next debate (11/15/07) in Nevada sponsored by CNN.  I am sure that the Clintons will be happy that big bad Tim Russert, that 'Clinton hating, woman hating' guy, won't be the moderator.  Unfortunately, she'll still have to face the rest of the boys' club.  You know that Madam Speaker wouldn't be whining.  She can take a punch like the best of 'em!

BTW the plan that Obama has put forth for the middle class is a breath of fresh air.  Especially in reforming those ridiculous bankruptcy laws, pushed through by the corporate interests who just aren't making enough money with their credit card scams(with their 22% interest rates and 25 day billing cycles).
Obama '08
Great post Jingo Bell.
I was a Boy Scout too. I knew what to do with the flag because I was taught to preform it.
Little story, Last year I picked up 34 cloth american flags off the side of the road.They were muddy and torn, I took them and did what I was taught, burn them and bury the ashes. I could have been arrested for this reverence if the repub patriots had changed the constitution. I did notice that when I was picking these things up off the road many drivers with yellow magnet ribbons drove past with odd looks on their faces. Goes to show how symbols are only important when it involves claiming a greater Patriotism than others. Pakistan president just passed law that inforces the idea that no one can denigrate the pres. or government, perhaps that bit of patriotism would work well in the repub platform, sounds good, works well with right to life, more babies to grow up and salute the Great Leader.
sierra....
can we get Barrack Obama to answer those same questions?
where are the poll pushers at?   it is not looking to be good news this week.  

1. Clinton cannot get past 51% versus Democrats or Republicans.
2. She is slipping this week in all the polls amid her debate performance AND people remembering how the Clintons do not like to be pinned down on specific answers.
3.Katherine Willey has made a lot of accusations against the Clintons including criminals acts against cats.
4. Bill really messed up....no not with a woman....but running his mouth about "swiftboating" which was not a correct application of the term in his argument.
5. To be continued.....
I am just so happy hear that Senator Clinton is finally lsoing some ground.  I can't believe people can't see her for what she really is (or isn't for that matter).  Just more of the same.  We need a change and it's not a Clinton.  I love Bill but I just will not vote for his wife. Maybe now people will start looking over the other candidates.  I wish the media would just stop feeding the Clinton $$ Machine. Personally I think Edwards will surprise all of us in Iowa.    
Carrie,

"I'm not suggesting anything inappropriate but I think it's pretty nifty that, in the middle of this huge fiasco they have going on in Pakistan, Musharraf takes a phone call from Joe Biden. "

Did you not know that Biden is the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee?  That is how.   And who says Biden called him?  

It says something pretty important about Biden, doesn't it.  Says world leaders are pretty comfortable with him and seek his counsel.  

Do you think it's nifty that he was the only one at the debate to mention Pakistan as a greater threat than Iran?  Do you think it is nifty that the Dem candidates are constantly agreeing with his statements regarding foreign policy and security?

I think it is nifty, too.  That is why I support Biden.  

Biden/Obama '08
Today, Tomorrow, Together.
Christelle -

Jealous much?  It is Biden's job as Chair of the For.Rel.Comm.  He has been talking with world leaders for DECADES.  

Do you understand government?  

Biden is doing his job.  He will do Bush's job when he is elected.  

Biden/Obama '08

Wednesday, November 07, 2007
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Senator Hillary Clinton’s support slipping below 40% for the first time in more than a month. Overall, she has lost ten percentage points from her year-to-date peak reached on October 22. But still remains on top in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination.

Clinton now earns 39% of the vote, her lowest total since September 28. That’s still good enough, however, to hold an eighteen point advantage over Senator Barack Obama whose support is steady at 21%. Former Senator John Edwards has gained some ground in recent days and now earns the vote from 16% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson is a distant fourth at 4% and no other candidate tops the 3% level among Likely Democratic Primary Voters (see recent daily numbers).

Clinton has also lost ground in New Hampshire, home of the first-in-the-nation Presidential Primary. A Rasmussen Reports poll released today shows the frontrunner with a ten-point lead over Obama in the Granite State. That’s down from a sixteen-point lead before last week’s debate. Clearly, that debate has given an opening to Clinton’s rivals, but the big question is still whether it shake things up enough to derail the frontrunner. Separate survey data shows that 39% of voters think she is Very Likely to be the Democratic nominee. Only 11% say the same about Obama.

Your girl is still in the lead Merle.....
But she is sinking like the Titanic.......
Keep on talking Bill.....
The more you talk, the more you hurt your wife.....

By the way Merle....
at least I know how to spell Musharraf......
Ed- It seems your argument is that since Pakistan has nukes and slowly the boarder areas are being taken over by Al Quida and the Taliban that we are better off with Musharraf (hope I spelled it right) the dictator who is taking millions of our tax money so he can brutalize, beat up, inprison, and suspend the constitution to silence the oppostion like their Supreme court, independant media/politicians, lawyers and others all in the name of fighting terrorists. It is the old fear mongering card. Sounds familiar Ed. Illegal wiretaps w/o warrants; suspending international treaties that have existed for decades, doing away with habeus corpus, illegal torture, U.S. mercenaries(Blackwater) making billions while our troops are making peanuts in comparison. So Ed have you actually traveled abroad and if so you are out to lunch.
Perhaps freedom and democracy are just words to someone like you.
But they actually mean something to me.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:57 AM)

and you're a democrat???????
incredible......
It would be a very good deal to have Musharraf thrown out, if you are the Taliban. Like many leaders the US has to deal with, Musharraf isn't even close to perfect, but he's the best we have in a not so good situation. Shoring this guy up, at least in the short term, is a lot better then the alternative in Pakistan. Some here think it's funny that Bush has yet another mess on his hands. This stuff though is serious business, and for you that want to bash Bush at every opportunity, you might want to rethink your position.
Elizabeth Sullivan - Biden is doing his job.  He will do Bush's job when he is elected.

Want to bet?  I take PayPal.

Decades of talk?  Got any great foreign policy success stories that Biden accomplished? Should be plenty to pick from.
America has learned time and time again that there are unintended consequences of supporting unpopular repressive governments such as that of General Musharraf.  In 1953 we toppled the popularly elected (but nationalistic) government of Iran and re-installed the hated Shah.  This was all because Mahmoud Mossadeq (the strongly nationalistic leader of Iran) had nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company.  The British convinced Eisenhower and the Congress that Mossadeq was a Communist and through Quentin Roosevelt working for the CIA we engineered the downfall of the Mossadeq government.  

Twenty-six years later, after continued (U.S. supported) repressive rule by the Shah the gift was retuned with the take over by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and the leadership of the  Ayatollah Khomeini.

The point is, when we support repressive governments we make enemies of the people and that is how radicals (in this case the Taliban) are able to take power.  If we stick to principles, the support of democracy, the result, although never guarenteed will be the best of all possible outcomes.  BTW there are countless other examples, it's just that this is most germane.
Obama '08
Jerry- I guess only Republicans believe in democracy? You are truly a piece of work!I have nothing but Bah  towards you which means to express impatient rejection or contempt.  
who are you telling...

too bad, Ms Clinton, it'll be a down-'Hill' from here on

Mitchell- Bingo;however; too many Americans are too ethnocentic and ignorant when it comes to history and geography. In fact watching Jay Leno on his segments about asking simple U.S. historical questions whereby Americans were clueless is truly scary which explains our dunce-in-chief.
Christelle -

you asked for it......

U.S. PRESSES PLANS ON BOSNIA DEFENSE
By MICHAEL R. GORDON,
Published: July 31, 1993

NYTimes
...
Senator Joseph Biden, the Delaware Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee panel on European affairs, called for military action to lift the siege of Sarajevo and proposed a detailed plan...

...Mr. Biden said the United Nations should issue an ultimatum that the Serbs withdraw all of their heavy weapons and forces from the immediate vicinity of Sarajevo and withdraw anti-aircraft systems. Then, he said, United Nations troops should interpose themselves between the Serbian and Bosnian Government forces, taking positions on the crests of the hills surrounding the city.

Not only would the plan help the United Nations police a truce, but it would prevent Bosnian Government forces from trying to take military advantage of a Serbian pullback.

MORE?...

06/15/06
WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-DE) led the successful effort to defeat an amendment today to the Department of Defense Authorization bill introduced by Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) that could have undermined President Bush’s effort to negotiate an end to Iran’s dangerous nuclear program. Instead, the Senate passed a Biden amendment supporting the Administration’s diplomatic initiative by a vote of 99-0.

MORE?...

Why Ratifying the INF Treaty Really Matters
Op-Ed, Christian Science Monitor
May 3, 1988

"...First, with Sen. Joseph Biden's resolution as a condition of Senate approval, such an action will resolve the constitutional issue of the role of the administration and Congress in interpreting treaties. Second, it will relegitimize arms control as an essential leg of a coherent national security policy. Third, it will begin to redefine the bipartisan center in national security policy."

MORE.....

Why don't you Google "Chemical Weapons Convention".  I am getting tired of doing research for uninformed voters.





I'l bet nobody on that stage with Hillary could answer that question any better than she did. Did they ask any of those know it all bully boys around her? NO! Next debate lets ask any of those other candidate to answer that question in 30 secs. Bet they can't.
Christelle asks...
"Decades of talk?  Got any great foreign policy success stories that Biden accomplished? Should be plenty to pick from."

There are plenty...can someone help Christelle understand the depth Biden's unmatched foreign policy experience??


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