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Oh-eight (D): Not her 'best' performance

Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:58 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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BIDEN: The senator, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, issued this statement after speaking with Musharraf by phone yesterday: "We had a very frank and detailed discussion. I told President Musharraf how critical it is for relations between our two countries that elections go forward as planned in January, that he follow through on his commitment to take off his uniform and that he restore the rule of law to Pakistan.  It is clear to me from our conversation that President Musharraf understands the consequences for his country and for relations with the United States if he does not return Pakistan to the path of democracy." 

CLINTON: In an interview with CNN yesterday, Clinton acknowledged that she wasn't "at her best" at last week's MSNBC debate. "We've had a bunch of debates and I wouldn't rank that up in my very top list,” she said. "But I've answered probably, I don't know, more than 5,000 questions over the last 10 months and I have been very clear about where I stand and what I want to do for the country."

On the drivers' license issue: "It depends upon what state they're in, it depends upon what [governors] think the risks are," Clinton said. "The governor of New York has a lot of immigrants, many of whom we know are not there legally; [he] has to worry about security. A governor of another state where that's not a problem doesn't.

"This issue has been so politicized," Clinton continued, "and I understand that, because you can score points, you can score all kinds of political, demagogic points."

Politico's Smith notes Clinton hedged -- again -- on the drivers' license issue.

By the way, here's the full context of Bill Clinton's comparison of the criticism his wife received over drivers' licenses for illegal immigrants -- to the Swiftboating of John Kerry and the targeted of Max Cleland. "We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. When we listened to snide comments being about Vice President Gore being stiff, when they made dishonest claims about things he said he'd done in his life. When that scandalous Swift Boat ad was run against Senator Kerry, when there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man who left half his body in Vietnam. And a guy who had several deferments ran an ad with Max Cleland's picture with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden because he dared to vote against the president's version of the homeland security bill.

“I had the feeling at the end of the last debate we were about to get into cutesyland again. Y'all raise your hands if you're illegal immigrants getting drivers' licenses. So we let the Republicans run an ad that all the Democrats are against the rule of law. Look, I think it's fine to discuss illegal immigration. We should. Illegal immigration needs to be discussed. And it's fine for Hillary and all the other guys to be asked about Gov. Spitzer's plan. But not in yes, no, raise your hand."

Both Obama and Dodd "ripped" Bill Clinton for making a Swiftboat reference. Dodd: "To have the former President come out and suggest this is a form of Swift-boating ... is way over the top in my view.” Obama: "How you would then draw an analogy to distorting somebody's military record is a reach.”

The New York Post reports: “In a stunning in-house slap at the former president, a senior adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and were considered counterproductive by her advisers.”

EDWARDS: The campaign retooled its most recent TV ad slightly to appeal to New Hampshire voters. "In the Iowa commercial all but one of the people shown are white, reflecting the majority of caucus-goers in Iowa. The New Hampshire commercial features an African-American woman in addition to the Hispanic waitress seen in the Iowa release. Asked about the differences between the two commercials, Eric Schultz, national spokesman for the campaign, said only that the commercial had ‘filmed a lot of New Hampshire faces’ to highlight ‘hardworking’ people. There are educators, union members, and other laborers, he said.” 

The Boston Globe profiles Edwards’ daughter Cate, a student at Harvard Law. She has a full schedule between classes, work and campaigning for dad. In fact, she scheduled her classes so she’d have Mondays and Fridays free to campaign.

OBAMA: In his speech today in Iowa on “reclaiming the American Dream,” Obama will talk about his plans to provide middle-class tax cuts up to $1,000, to reform bankruptcy laws, and to provide refundable tax credit for college education. Per excerpts of the speech, Obama will say: “We’re not going to reclaim that dream unless we put an end to the politics of polarization and division that is holding this country back; unless we stand up to the corporate lobbyists that have stood in the way of progress; unless we have leadership that doesn’t just tell people what they want to hear – but tells everyone what they need to know. That’s the change we need."

The Politico: "The speech is aimed at expanding Obama’s base beyond the ‘NPR-listening, Starbucks-drinking, Prius-driving, Times-reading’ stereotype that has become a shorthand for his appeal to the party’s elite.”

The AP: “Obama offers a personal account of growing up without his father in a new ad airing on South Carolina radio stations that target black listeners. ‘My father left when I was two. I only saw him once after that. My mother did her best, struggling to take care of my sister and me,’ Obama says in the statewide ad airing on 36 stations.”

Obama kept a large crowd in Iowa waiting for more than an hour last night. The University of Iowa newspaper focused on the delay in its first five graphs.

Obama hit Clinton on her energy policy yesterday. "It's hard to believe that she is a strong ethanol supporter given her track record,” Obama told the Des Moines Register, “and this is something that represents a major reversal, and what we need is consistency on these issues. If she's willing to shift this quickly on this issue, we don't know whether she will shift back when it gets hard."

NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann reports from Obama’s Cedar Rapids event: Team Obama's recent promise to "differentiate" itself from rival Hillary Clinton is in full force in the three-way-tie caucus state, and last night, Obama attempted to "differentiate" the living tar out of her. He slammed her on Social Security, diplomatic strategy, health-care reform, and ethics legislation. Perhaps most noteworthy was his closing pitch to the audience, in which he enumerated reasons why he's a better choice than his main rival. "A lot of people are asking ... why you instead of Hillary? I get that a lot," Obama told rapt supporters. "I just want to address this directly, so that if anybody asks you, you can say 'This is what he said.'"

NBC/NJ's Dann adds that Obama has faced a minor dust-up in recent weeks over a web-circulated photo that alleged to show him "refusing" to hold his hand over his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance during an August campaign event. A question from a voter in Cedar Rapids tonight demonstrated that the story hasn't gone away. A mother of two asked the senator about an email she received about the incident, adding that her five year-old son is "very concerned" about the matter.  

Obama responded that the rumor is "completely misidentified," saying that the photo from the August Harkin Steak Fry was not taken during the pledge, for which he always places his hand over his heart, but during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner. (Americans often salute the flag during the National Anthem by putting their hand over their heart, but that isn't a standard protocol like most consider the reverence shown during the Pledge.)

Obama added that he's no stranger to improbable rumors about him circulating the more bizarre reaches of the Web. "This is similar to the email that's going around that says that I'm a Muslim plant trying to take over America," he said. "There's only so much that you can do around this kind of misinformation."

RICHARDSON: Richardson is joining many other second-tier campaigns by shifting staff from other states to Iowa. He's moving Nevada staffers to Iowa. "Richardson spokesman Tom Reynolds said Tuesday the New Mexico governor also had sent ‘some low-level field organizers’ from New Hampshire into Iowa. But he said top national staff from the campaign headquarters in Santa Fe, N.M., including the national political director, had been moved to New Hampshire for a net gain in that state."

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Thanks Elizabeth, Biden obviously schools all others when it comes to the most important issues facing Americans today.
Chris Penn,

Chris Dodd answered it.  Quite well I might add.  He said he is against it.  Do you not remember?  

know-it-all-bully-boys?  Wow, I can't decide who is the bigger baby - you or Hillary.
Let’s see…  We have a Senator from Delaware (Biden) who already demonstrates the leadership and not only predicts the trouble in Pakistan that Musharraf has created, but then again demonstrates leadership by actually talking to him.

Other candidates say things like “Well, I would talk to Musharraf and say…”  The point is ONE candidate already has the experience in dealing with the very difficult foreign policy matters that require leadership from the United States.

Then we have yet another episode of a Clinton parsing words (depends what the meaning of the word “is” is, depends on what state they’re in, and on and on and on).

know-it-all-bully-boys?  Wow, I can't decide who is the bigger baby - you or Hillary.


We took a vote, and decided its you.  You sure whine a lot.
No duh?!?!
Elizabeth - Do pay attention, will you?  I have touted Biden's qualifications here on more than one occasion.  I have also noted on more than one occasion that the other candidates consistently state their agreement with his positions.  

It was an honest question, undeserving of a snarky answer.  Chairmen of the committe or not, if you haven't noticed, Pakistan is in a bit of turmoil right now.  I simply asked what the circumstances leading to the phone call were.  
Uninformed voters make this blog a very entertaining read.  Without people like Christelle these polls would show a very different snap shot about how the candidates stand.  Supporters of Clinton, Obama and Edwards are thinking with their hearts- Biden supporters choose to use logical reasoning.  
know-it-all-bully-boys?  Wow, I can't decide who is the bigger baby - you or Hillary.
Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:52 PM)


I can decide who is the bigger bully and that would be you.  Seriously, can you not stand someone having an opinion other than yours?  Do you feel the need to insult people simply because they don't bow down in worship of your every thought and statement?

Someone please get Elizabeth a ladder before she falls off her high horse.
"Uninformed voters make this blog a very entertaining read.  Without people like Christelle these polls would show a very different snap shot about how the candidates stand.  Supporters of Clinton, Obama and Edwards are thinking with their hearts- Biden supporters choose to use logical reasoning."

Whit Dallas, TX (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:51 PM)

Clinton supporters think the exact same thing. So do Obama supporters. And Edwards supporters, and Richardson supporters, and....Well, you get the idea.
"know-it-all-bully-boys?  Wow, I can't decide who is the bigger baby - you or Hillary.


We took a vote, and decided its you.  You sure whine a lot."

Students at UNF (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:34 PM)

And you sure spam a lot. So what?

Regarding Chris's post, it would be hard for the other candidates to answer the exact same question that was asked of Clinton because that question was:

"Senator Clinton, Governor of New York Eliot Spitzer has proposed giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. You told the Nashua, New Hampshire editorial board it makes a lot of sense. Why does it make a lot of sense to give an illegal immigrant a driver's license?"

She said she thought it made sense because: "Well, what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is fill the vacuum left by the failure of this administration to bring about comprehensive immigration reform. We know in New York we have several million at any one time who are in New York illegally. They are undocumented workers. They are driving on our roads. The possibility of them having an accident that harms themselves or others is just a matter of the odds. It's probability. So what Governor Spitzer is trying to do is to fill the vacuum."

Then she said, "I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it. And we have failed --"

So Dodd told her, "Wait a minute. No, no, no. You said yes, you thought it made sense to do it."

Clinton: "No, I didn't, Chris."

So you see, the others can't answer this exact question for her. If you are referring to this question:

"Do you support his plan?"

Dodd said this: "...a license is a privilege, and that ought not to be extended, in my view." He is against it.

Obama said: "I think that it is a -- the right idea. And I disagree with Chris, because there is a public safety concern. We can make sure that drivers who are illegal come out of the shadows, that they can be tracked, that they are properly trained, and that will make our roads safer. That doesn't negate the need for us to reform illegal immigration." He is for it.
"In a stunning in-house slap at the former president, a senior adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said the former president's remarks were not part of campaign strategy and were considered counterproductive by her advisers."

Huh. I'm not sure I believe his remarks weren't directly engineered by Hil's campaign. It's consistent with her strategy so far, of speaking out of one side of her (actual) mouth, saying "I'd never suggest that," while the campaign speaks out of the other.

This really pisses me off cuz it turns feminism on its head. It patronizes women under the guise of protecting them. Hil was a fair target because she's the front-runner, and there was nothing underhanded or remotely sexist about what anyone said against her in that debate. I would normally expect better of Bill. This perhaps illustrates how badly both of them want the Clinton dynasty to continue.

OBAMA '08
".....J. Merle,
Because a substantial amount of Pakistanis want a taliban-style islamofascist government. Many folks think the fact that they have a nuke would make tis a bad thing--me included.
Bruce, NV (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:01 PM....."

Bruce, Pakistan didn't have an islamo-facist government before MUSHARRAF (musn't spell it wrong now!) became Dictator in a Military Coup.'
It had a duly elected civilian government which HE overthrew!
That civilian government gave Bill Clinton permission to stage a covert operation through Pakistan which was intended to capture and/or kill Osama Bin Laden. MUSHARRAF rescinded that permission and won't let Bush insert our people into Pakistan to look where it is generally thought that he (Bin Laden) is hiding.
So don't hand me this CRAP about MUSHARRAF preventing an islamo-facist governemt from coming to power. Because it simply isn't true.
HE is the one who is hindering our pursuit of the man responsible for masterminding 911. And Bush isn't doing a damned thing about it!

Carrie,

"I'm not suggesting anything inappropriate but I think it's pretty nifty that, in the middle of this huge fiasco they have going on in Pakistan, Musharraf takes a phone call from Joe Biden. "

That isn't a question.  

Students at UNF,

You are picking on me because I am a girl.  You are trying to bully me.  It is so hard being a girl in the MSNBC First Read Boys Club.

Now that is whining.

I'm not suggesting anything inappropriate but I think it's pretty nifty that, in the middle of this huge fiasco they have going on in Pakistan, Musharraf takes a phone call from Joe Biden. "

That isn't a question.  


Elizabeth Sullivan, San Diego, CA (Sent Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:46 PM)

NOW THAT IS NIFTY!



Gee lizzy ain't it NIFTY!!
Nifty?  What the hell is Nifty about any of this!??
Elizabeth:  A little selective on the copying and pasting, aren't we?  You left out the only portion of my comment that WAS a question:  "How'd Biden get to talk to Musharraf?"

Lets see...it begins with "how" and it ends with a question mark...hmm, I think I would have to call that a question.  
Carrie:  You do realize that Biden is the chirman of the Foreign Relations Committee don't you?
Musharraf called Senator Biden.  It is not unusual in his position.  He has spoken and met with many world leaders in the course of 35 years in the Senate and as Chairman of the For. Relations Cimmittee.  Just another reason, he is our best choice for President for this time in our history.
Chris :  Bet they can .
The boys were not bullying either.  She chose to run  and she certainly knew there were only men who have sucessfully run in the past.  She was questioned as a candidate that changes her positions depending on where she is speaking,irregardless her gender.  You can not have it both ways.
Whining -

I was using the word "nifty" because Carrie had previously used it.  
Carrie,

Then why not just ask how Biden got to talk to him?  Why throw in your condescension?  If your remark was read by me in a manner unintended by you doesn't a portion of the fault for the misunderstanding lie with you and your lack of clarity?  I don't think I was the only one who interpreted your comment in that manner.

Thus, I responded to your comment.  I believe I still have that right.  
However, I will most certainly apologize if your intention truly was to simply gain information.  I certainly am not above that.  

Just let me know.
That's what Bill said about Hill from last night.

"Hillary, that was not your best performance".
Cristelle and all others should know that Biden has been (and still is) a principled and involved chairman for the senate committees of ForeignRelations and the Judiciary. the 2 most relevant committees.

Senate committees are the motor of the senate. senate does legislative and power-check work which is the framework of everything in our society. If it wasn't for guys like Biden and Leahy, America would have been less respected in the world by the time this Bush took over, and less able to get up again after he leaves. But he can do more in the post of president!
 

Biden is a nice man, a great man. See or Read more abour him. Biden for Prez of US !.


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