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Paul talks money, war in NH

Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:52 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
NASHUA, NH -- Ron Paul talked about money at a local high school this morning. No, not his record one-day fundraising haul, but the impact of a weakening U.S. dollar.

“We have this bizarre idea … that when Washington comes up short, whether it’s to fight a war or run the welfare state, you know what we do? We print the money,” he told about 100 students at Nashua South High School. “Now how much sense would it have to take to figure out that if you could just print money at will, maybe the value of money is going to go down.”

The result, he told the students, is a greater debt that they will inherit. And today, the impact is being seen in things like gas prices. “When you fill up your car," Paul said, "and it’s $3 a gallon, or $4 or $5 a gallon, don’t blame price gouging. Blame the government for a bad monetary policy and a bad foreign policy."

He warned that if no action is taken, “the dollar can lose a lot more value, which means prices can go up a lot more, the economy can get a lot weaker, the stock market could crash.”

All of his ideas were rooted in the Constitution, Paul said. But he recognizes that some -- like eliminating the IRS, and returning all funding of education to the states -- are unlikely to be achieved as president. So he said he’d focus on the one area a president has more leverage -- foreign policy.

“Very simply, we can come up with a program of saying mind our own business, bring our troops home, have a strong national defense,” he said. “At the same time, be stronger and wealthier, save this money, take care of the people that are needy, follow the Constitution, protect personal liberty, have a prosperous economy.”

He noted that war-making powers are given in the Constitution to the Congress. “We’ve never declared another war since World War II,” he said. “And lo and behold, what has happened? We haven’t won a war since.” Continuing commitments abroad, especially in Iraq, have made the military weaker and made us more vulnerable to a terrorist attack domestically. He also warned students that, with the administration seemingly preparing for war in Iran, there would likely need to be a draft.

Asked later by a student how he would withdraw troops, Paul said the sooner the better, but that it would likely take three to six months. “Just announcing that we were gonna leave, and that we were serious," he said, "I think there would be a de facto peace agreement."
 
An interesting note on the location -- Clinton is due to hold an event at the same high school later this evening.

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One thing about the stock market. I would think it would go up as the dollar goes down. The underlying hard assets of the companies would have more value.  But I know in the short term it does spook people and that could cause the market to go down.  For sure it is the silent theif steeling value from people who invest in dollar denominated CDs., etc.

I am 100% behind Congressman Paul.

Thank you for a good and fair article. We are now starting to see him being taken seriously, along with us, the supporters, CNBC removed their poll when he was winning and claimed a few were hacking.... 4.3mil in 1 day.. We proved Monday we exist in large and dedicated numbers.
We have someone who takes a stand, doesn't waffle like Hillary, doesn't want to use 911 to scare us and keep us under control, and his views are consistent... I do not agree with everything but I respect him more then any other candidate.
god bless ron paul, the constitution and the natural rights of all men and women.
www.ronpaul2008.com - Find out for yourself!

Dr. Paul has my vote!
Why on earth doesn't this man get more time to speak on the news? Haven't heard of hm much...sounds like hes right on the money. I sure would like to hear more...heard yesterday he set an all time one day fundraising record. Doesn't make any sense I have to dig on the net to find out something. He sure is all OVER the net...whats up?
Good stuff from MSNBC. No words of "longshot", "fringe", or "darkhorse"; only a report as a report should be. You guys/gals are getting better. Keep up the good work.
Mr Memoli, thank-you for the informative article in which you allowed the good Dr Paul to speak for himself.  You didn't twist his words around in a negative way and it is appreciated.
The French and the Chinese are wise to our fiat ways. Go to Google News and search for "Sarkozy dollar".
This is whats called unbiased.
@ Bruce
"Please sir, what is the intrinsic value of gold? WHy do you want the USA to go on the gold standard, as opposed to, say, the tulip standard, or the silicon standard?"

It doesn't matter which hard asset you use to back the currency, as long as it's a hard asset.  This prevents government from printing money to pay its expenses (once it has taxed & borrowed all it can). When the Fed inflates the money supply (as it does constantly), demand for each individual dollar drops--therefore, each dollar IN YOUR POCKET or IN YOUR BANK is worth less and less. This has been going on throughout the 20th century, since the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank.

Fiat money, aka print-on-demand money, allows government to grow itself by sucking wealth right out of your pocket.

If each dollar is backed up by a hard asset, like gold, then government must spend within its means--and the money of every individual retains its value.  Gold is simply the metal that people have used for thousands of years as currency, so its natural to use that.

Ron Paul calls inflation "the most regressive tax." It hurts the poor and the middle class, but enhances the ultra-rich because the money goes to huge government contracts, etc. (And then, of course, is recycled into congressional and presidential campaigns for lobbyist-friendly candidates.)

Learn more at http://www.mises.org/money.asp
I'm guessing the Good Doctor's message has already had a healthy effect on many of his Congressional colleagues. X-rays would surely show that many backbones have be strengthened. Which leads to this point, when or lose the nomination/Presidency, Ron has shown other elected officials the way out of the mess. Ron will no longer stand alone on the House floor. An army has been formed. It isn't going away.
Thank you MSNBC for the unbiased informative article, keep it up and keep 'em coming.  I'm not a big economist or claim to know too much about our money system, but I know something is terribly wrong when we are printing money out of thin air to pay for our expenses.  We got massive trade debts with China, India, and Japan and we're having to borrow money from them to help pay for the Iraq War.  And didn't we just give like Pakistan like a few billion dollars the other day?  Why, our money is worth nothing anyway.  Vote Ron Paul, spread his message, come join the Revolution, and let's get the dollar back on track again!
Interesting comments--'Why haven't we heard more about him on TV?'  Well, wonder whether the Media has an answer for that?  I think it borders on criminal.  Our Country needs a Doctor.
DID I JUST READ AN UNBIASED ARTICLE ON MSNBC ABOUT RON PAUL?!?!?!  THE Ron Paul?  Oh my good gracious!  Holy shingle!  Was the editor on break?  (just kidding)  Thank you for taking a journalistic approach to being a journalist.  :)  
Legalize Freedom!
R O N P A U L 2 0 0 8
Regarding the IRS:

Dr. Paul knows that Title 26 is presently criminally misapplied to the average working American. Therefore, as president he can simply instruct the "Justice" Department to start obeying the law and not prosecute the vast majority of Americans with exempt income (probably YOU - to find out whether or not you are ALREADY exempt, visit http://truthattack.com and http://nontaxpayer.org )

After that "minor adjustment" the IRS will die under its own weight...
In answer to "Why on earth doesn't this man get more time to speak on the news?"... As many will tell you, there is a bias against him out there in MSM (main stream media). The biggest reason, however, is his unnaturally low poll results (5%). These polls are not corrupt, but they are behind the times and behind technology and therefore inacurate. There are two problems with them.

1. They are "land line" polls. How many of you guys own landlines. Traditional families own landlines, and thus Ron Paul's tech savy supporters go unheard. Seems insignificant but it could put him a couple % points higher.

2. People who traditionally vote republican in the primaries/ voted last election are the ones who are called on these polls. We all know how much the republican base has shrunk, many of those people who switched out are switching back to vote for Paul, not to mention libertarians, constitutionalists,independants, unregistered, and democrats, who are switching over, and those who arent  switching but will vote in open primaries. Even if this only brought him all together 10% higher than it says he is (where he naturally deserves to be) that would be enough for MSM to notice him and cover him more, creating a fair amount more name recognition and therefore even more support. I hope this rant makes some sense.
If he's nominated by the Republican party I will vote for him.  The checks and balances inherent in the constitution, and to which he would most certainly adhere, would prevent carte blanche on his part.  But if you think Democrats have been hard on Bush, imagine what they would do to Paul once they found out how conservative he really is.  There isn't much "nuance" there.

A Paul presidency would be as interesting as any other, I suppose.  

I do have a problem when a candidate demagogues the gasoline price issue as if it is something Americans have to deal with all by themselves.  Gasoline is expensive everywhere, even in green Europe.  What the U.S. economy and government have solely to do with that I have yet to understand.
Wow! The more I learn about the good doctor, the more I like him. His message is not only honest and consistent, but really makes sense when you take the time to think carefully about it.
Wow, an article that isn't taking cheap shots at this great man! Thanks Mike for a decent story.
Thank you for the nice article. It is refreshing to see Dr. Paul finally receive the RESPECT that he deserves!
I love this guy.

I Seriously LOVE this guy!

I've never been so engrossed in politics before.  Ron Paul is the REAL DEAL!  He's the guy we've ALL been waiting for!!!!

I LOVE RON PAUL!!!!!!
If interested in what an actual Investment Adviser has sent to his 60,0000 subscribers check out the link below.

http://dailypaul.com/node/6092

Also you can read in the comments section, on the site above, about another Investment Adviser emailing his 10,000 subscribers about endorsing Dr. Ron Paul.

The best place I have found to get up to date news on everything Ron Paul is below.

http://www.ronpaulforpresident.com

The site below shows how the polls are being done.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016710.html

Example of what is on that site.

Here's a North Carolina robocall survey's actual question:

   There will be a number of people running for President in 2008 as Republicans. Some of the most talked about are Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. If the Republican primary were today which of these men would you vote for, or would you vote for somebody else?

Giuliani................... .19% McCain................... . 8% Romney ................. .10% Thompson.............. .24% Other...................... .14% Undecided.............. .25%

To be fair, they left Huckabee off as well.

ONLY A Doctor WILL HEAL Our Country,
Freedom4America
remember thisnovember11th.com! it will be another big day for dr. paul!
Thank you MSNBC. THis is now the THIRD neutral article on Ron Paul I have seen from you in a week. Please keep this neutrality up. It is what the press is supposed to be doing, but unfortunately, your colleagues at other venues print the most negative garbage about this wonderful man, if they even mention him at all. I appreciate you doing the right thing!
Thanks for this article! I am a Ron Paul supporter and appreciate being able to follow his campaign trail via mainstream news and internet outlets.

Of all the candidates, Ron Paul is the only one discussing a monetary policy that doesn't rely on the creation of more government. Instead, he has opted for the enlightened path of freedom and liberty - both in economics and personal...
Bruce,

Gold's value as money is not based on in its intrinsic value as a metal, it's based on its value as a "store of value."  The market has chosen it as the best money on Earth through trillions of transactions over thousands of years.

Read this article by Alan Greenspan (from 1966) to learn more about why this is so.  And if you think the gold standard is nutty -- why, even Greenspan himself is pushing it these days (rather a modified form of it, such as the kind favored by Dr. Paul):

http://www.321gold.com/fed/greenspan/1966.html
Ron Paul connects with people because he uses concise, simple terms to explain complex issues in ways that are clearly understood by most Americans. It doesn't hurt that what he says has the ring of truth. "It's the communication, Stupid!"
"My understanding is he doesn't actually want to return to a gold standard but instead allow competing competing hard asset currencies."

Tim, you are absolutely correct. Ron Paul has stated this in numerous interviews. Allow gold to be used as a competing tender along side paper money. Makes a whole lot of sense..I'm in!
Finally the press is taking notice of this great statesman. It took 38000 of us and a money bomb to blow open the presses tight lips. He is awakening the sleeping giant, the American public. His supporters are everywhere and come from all walks of life. I have voted republican for every election since 1982 ( may God forgive me for voting for GWB ) and was ready to defect this year to a third party  till I discovered Dr. Paul. He is right on the money on so many issues. Americans unite, America is ill and the good Dr. is our perscription.
 I liken the middle east to a hornets nest, walk by it and they won't bother you, but our foreign policy has been to smack it with a stick and see what happens, when they settle down smack it again and again, eventually we will get stung, then we want to blame the hornets.
Two weeks ago I told my wife if the Federal Reserve lowers rates again, The dollar will plummet more, Oil will top $100 / barrel, Wall Street was happy but Main Street feels the pain. If I could see what would happen why can't any of our elected representatives. Dr. Paul could see it.
We should be ashamed of our selves for allowing this runaway government to mortgage our children's futures with mountains of debts, committing unborn generations to a war with no end and enemy, and allowing the liberties and freedoms our founders so thoughtfully gave us to be so easily taken under the guise of security.
Remember, Remember the 5th of November. spread the word about the good Dr. This is our revolution and our children will not forgive us if we don't act like good Americans. Unite for the cause of the great experiment called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Dear Bruce,
Dr Paul has only said he wants to relegitimize gold as a currency as provided for in the constitution. It would operate in competition to the current fiat Federal Reserve notes. Your misunderstanding is easily understood since so many MSM articles have misstated Ron Paul’s policies, either through willful ignorance or calculated tactic of smear; you’ll have to be the judge of that.

Thank you Mike Memoli for what is the first reasonably balanced MSNBC article on Ron Paul I’ve seen. Hopefully other journalists in the MSM will strive to reach this standard of journalism, instead of the woefully opinionated fear mongering claptrap we have been treated to thus far.
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Looking for people to help generate a viral
message to encourage voters to change their party
affiliation in time to help Ron Paul win the
republican primaries.

If you have web expertise and Ron Paul volunteer
spirit, perhaps you would help develop the
domains I bought for this purpose:
RonPaulblican.com and registerRonPaulblican.com.
I don't have the expertise to develop these
domains.

Could just be a list of pledges to register
republican or change to republican before the
states' cutoff dates (maybe with some graphs):
Nov. 19 for Maryland, Nov. 30 for West Virginia
etc.

Also, the site should show each states updated
voter registration statistics as they come out.

The money bombs are great, but we need to be able
to vote him in also!

Please spread this message!

If you are interested in using my domains, you
can contact me at ronpaulblican@yahoo.com

Thanks, Dan C
Ron Paul will use the bully pulpit to simply point out that that the sixteenth amendment was NEVER ratified and therefore taxes no longer have to be paid. He will then use a presidential order to dissolve the Fed, and decree that they must return the trillions stolen from us. Then he will google Leo Wanta and the $70 trillion Ameritrust Fund. By then Congress will have disguised themselves and tried to sneak across the border to Tijuana.
I love Ron Paul!
Thank you for an unbiased article.
I'ts nice to see the news reported, not spun.
Thanks Domenico!  Excellent article.
Having an open forum with high schoolers is popular now. Others have done it previously and Clinton and Paul had one today at their school. Youtube it MSNBC! :D
Ron Paul would have a lot more influence than just the veto power. I think he would greatly reduce the size of the administration. I see him appointing Constitutionalist judges. If the judges are not confirmed he would come back and appoint another Constitutionalist and so on. It would be fun and interesting.
The gold standard merely means a currency that doesn't fluctuate in value like an ice cream cone. ANY standard is better than no standard.
Finally, some one in the Republican Party that understands economics and relevant fiscal policy.  Too bad the party and the rest of the GOP candidates are so focused on the bellicose, the inane, and gay marriage and religion.  Theirs is the game of diversion.  Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air in a room full of stale old men.
I just discovered Ron Paul in the last couple of weeks, and I am floored by how much sense he makes.  I've also gotten a bit of an education about monetary policy that has really opened my eyes.  Every American needs to understand why the dollar is crashing and who is responsible for it.

Ron Paul is my new hero!
I agree with you Mike. I like Dr. Paul but I just couldn't see how he would accomplish a lot of these things without "upsetting the apple cart." But if he gets just one or two his ideas implemented, we will be a stronger nation because of it.  
Ron Paul is always happy to talk with young people because we spark change in a country.  Before learning about Ron Paul, I used to support Romney and Giuliani, but then I was educated on the fact that there are real statesmen at the Capital and we don't need to accept the lesser of two evils.  Thanks for your piece on Dr. Paul!
Bruce,

Ron doesn't want to get back to the gold standard. Period.  This is false news spread by those who lack the initiative to do the research.  Instead, Ron favors having a currency that is tied to something solid, ensuring that the value of our dollar doesn't vanish due to inflation tax.  He's even been recorded as saying he would promote competing currencies, using silver and gold.

Intrinsic value, nothing can posess.  People give value to things, and it just so happens that gold is recognized globally.  

As for your little comment about Dr. Paul staying in medicine vs. economics, that was the point of your post, wasn't it?  Everyone wants to take a shot at the front runner.  Reminder: Ron Paul's fascination with economics began before he was elected to his first term in congress... nine terms ago.
unbelievable, another story that should have stayed local. 3% of the vote if he's lucky but you first read guys give him the forum.Isn't it strange that he is the only one with no negative comments? Sort of like a set-up.. he is unelectable once the clips from c-span start airing. He wants to dismantle social security and medicare so tell your parents about that. Yep he said it on c-span and I heard it.
"Perhaps, Doctor, you'd be better to stay to medicine and leave economics to those who have a clue... "


hahahahahHAHAHAHAhahahahahah! Like the monkey with the MBA from Harvard? Hahahahahahaha!


Good piece, First Read.
Folks don't forget they are trying to raise another million dollars for Ron Paul on November the 11th to commemorate Veterans Day! Their goal is to get 10,000 people to pledge to donate $100. So far there are 1,177 pledges. Please repost his bulletin. I know we just raised $4.3 million on Monday, and the wallets and pockets maybe empty, but consider it an investment in your future. If elected, Ron Paul will shut down the IRS and Federal Reserve. This will help us keep 100% of the fruits of our labor! NO MORE ILLEGAL APPLICATION OF THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX! $100 today gets you back your whole pay check when Ron Paul becomes elected President of these United States of America in 2008! But first we must get him the nomination. To do that we need to raise more money so he can get his name out there and buy ad time! Think of how much publicity the money bomb of November the 5th has gotten him? Now imagine another day where he gets another million not even a week later. This is our only hope to take our country back from big government! Let seize the moment and make this happen just as we did on Monday! Ron Paul believes in us and our country lets repay that back!
Here is the link to the official pledge site for the November 11th drive:

http://www.thisnovember11th.com/



P.S. Please repost this not only in your bulletins, but send it to friends & family via email and post it in blogs and digg it! THANKS!
This is probably the only republican candidate that I could support in this day and age. Government for the corporation is just bad. We have to stop trying to take over the world and get back to taking care of out people and our country.
Paul if elected president appoints the Secretary of State. The Secrretary of State can correct the fraud committed by Secretary of State Philander Knox when he falsely declared the 16th amendment ratified in 1913. The truth is. as written, the 16th Amendment was only approved by two states.

The other option is that Paul appoints Federal Judges and can appoint Federal Judges that will hear the case and based on the evidence rule the 16th Amendment was never ratified. At this time all Federal Judges have refused to hear the Case using the excuse that it is a political matter for Congress.
I'm so happy that more people are discovering Dr. Paul's message. If want to lend an extra hand in getting his word out then I suggest visiting here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/


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