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Thompson's social security rollout

Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 4:26 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
WASHINGTON, DC -- Calling the current social security system “unsustainable” and “draconian cuts” in benefits inevitable, today Thompson announced his “plan to save social security.” Continuing with the themes he has been trumpeting on the campaign trail, the Thompson plan calls for optional private social security accounts and the indexing of social security benefits to inflation rather than wages.

Many economists say due to the slow growth of inflation compared to the relatively rapid growth of wages, such indexing would cause a significant decrease in benefits for future generations. Thompson dismissed that assessment saying that the “baseline” for any proposal is the current system, and that under the current system future promises cannot be delivered.

“What our proposal is, is that instead of not being able to deliver something that we have promised, which is wage indexed benefits, let’s equalize them,” Thompson said at a press conference following his off-camera policy rollout. “Why should one generation have a greater level of benefits, dollar for dollar inflation include, than another. Let’s give the same level of benefits to everybody and that’s what we’re proposing.”

Indexing benefits to inflation would take care of 70 percent of the problem, Thompson said, while the rest of the problem would be addressed through “Voluntary Personal Retirement ‘Add On’ Accounts” that would require individuals who were uninterested in participating to opt out at the beginning of every year.

These accounts would work much like a 401(k), automatically deducting 2 percent of an individual’s wages and putting that money into a Personal Retirement Account. The government would match this deduction at $2.50 per every $1 deducted up to $1,000 per month, and $0.50 for every $1 deducted after that. All of the money in the Personal Retirement Account, including the government’s matching funds, could be invested in stocks and/or bonds chosen from a menu of options.

The government’s matching funds would come out of the current social security trust fund, which would be initially depleted and then replenished through additional tax revenue acquired by the inflation indexing.

Thompson refused to take raising the cap on taxable income or increasing the age of eligibility completely off the table, but he did say, “I don’t think that particular idea is a good one. I know it’s been proposed. I think that’s one of Senator Clinton’s proposal.”

“There are a lot of different ways to approach this,” Thompson said. “This is one that I think makes a lot of sense from a lot of different stand points. We would put that up against any other proposal that’s out there, if there was another proposal out there. Nobody else, as far as I know, has really come with a serious proposal to do anything about social security, other than to recognize that it’s a real problem that somebody someday is going to have to solve.”

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Fred Thompson may be a good actor, but a lousy accountant, politician, and economist.  Not only is his analysis way off, but it also ignores the political reality of the last seven years.  Fred is turning out to be a dud in the mud.
Social Security is one area where those making millions are not paying there fair share. Thompson does not have to worry about social security benefits like his other wealthly friends do not worry. The republicans have been trying to kill social security since it was started. Additionally, federal employees have never paid into social security. They have a different social welfare retirement program, that we pay for thorough income tax. No politican talks about reforming that program, because it would harm there retirement. Everyone in the the federal and state goverment retirement programs are living good on your money. I have paid into social security since I was fifteen years old and I deserve to have my full benefits when I retire in ten years. Raising the cap on taxable income would solve all of the problems of social security. If the goverment had not spent the money already, then there would not be a problem now.
This is the kind of solution we need for Social Security. Once again Fred Thompson is about substance not media games.
Eliminating the current $95,000 cap on taxable FICA income would produce half the money necessary to keep Social Security solvent for the next 75 years.  A little more tinkering with rates and benefits and you're the rest of the way there.  How hard was that?  A lot less hard than diverting a big chunk of the expected Social Security money into private accounts and still trying to deliver the promised benefits, that's for sure.
On the contrary, Mark, I think Fred is wise to face the reality of the current Social Security problem.  A government matching plan is a novel idea, and is one that will help people see what their account is growing to.  Personally, I would keep the two funds segregated, so a person could not "shoot the moon" and lose everything.
As a conservative, I am finding Fred and the rest of the field a complete disappointment, with the exception of Ron Paul. However, even if Ron Paul could get the nomination, it's doubtful he could win in the general election.

The GOP is a failed party. I retain my membership in the hopes that it will one day be able to rebuild itself, but I don't think that day will come anytime soon. There are very few Republican politicians that I can honestly say that I admire or respect.
OH, GEE, I WORKED MY BUTT OFF going to college and getting an excellent job so I can get shorted on SS and can get the same monthly payment as the drunk next door. Sounds GREAT! NEXT!!!!!!!????
Is Fred Thompson still in the race?  I thought he fell asleep and forgot to file in the early states.  I really liked Huckabee's response to Fred calling him a "pro-life liberal on immigration and taxes" on Hardball yesterday.  

Huckabee said, "I guess this writer's strike is really hurting Fred, because he needs to come up with some better lines if he's going to stay in this race."  

Ouch...how did that feel, Fred?  
SS is the mother of all ponzi schemes...right now if you pay taxes on more than 60K you receive no additional benefit when you retire...expanding the taxable level will indeed "fix" the system on paper but the fact is congress will spend all of that money too...
I could write for Fred!

"I know you're out there, I can smell the booze coming out of your pores." Shee-boom!
Man, he managed to find the worst elements of everybody else's plan and cobble them together. For some really telling video and an accompnaying column from Thompson's first week on the trail, try this:

http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/05/fred_thompson_for_president_of_what_the_
"WHICH WOULD BE INITIALLY DEPLETED AND THEN REPLENISHED THROUGH ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE ACQUIRED BY INFLATION INDEXING"
Sounds so easy, invade a country and win the hearts and minds of the populace, opppps sorry I heard these kind of promises before. Pie in the sky always sounds the same. Put the damn money back and don't touch it for anything but SSI!!!
Vote for me, I'll rob you but I'm a good neighbor, I'll give you this dead dog I just ran over with my new red truck.
If millions of people are having such a difficult time with money now (lack of it due to rising gas prices, foreclosures, bankruptcies, high grocery prices, health care) how can they contribute to a privatized plan?

And just how would this money be invested?  Stocks?  Bad idea.  Bonds?  Not quite as bad.  Do I trust someone in the government to invest my money?  NO!!!!

If the government would stop raiding the social security funds to pay for other programs, there might actually be something left.  And if we put ALL federal employees, from the president on down, on social security that would pay for itself quickly.  Look at their retirement money for serving as a "public servant"!
TEC, you're wrong about federal workers. Yes, federal workers use to not pay into social security but that changed in the mid 1980s. Federal workers have the option of contributing to a 401-k plan called the thrift savings plan. But they pay social security and medicare taxes just like any other citizen.
Marcos - I'm a dyed in the wool liberal, and I'm going for Ron Paul.

DOn't say he can't win, because anyone who can get me to register as a republican CAN win. (The rest of the Repug field wouldn't even make good land fill.)
Social Security is no joking matter - especially for women who don't have a prayer of earning as much as men - I've worked since I was 15 starting after school and on the weekends - raised 4 children alone with no child support from their dead beat dad who's dead now and could care less - am trying to live on social security and keep my home I worked all my life to pay for - it's practically impossible and the cost of living just keeps going up - get your head out of the sand politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!
Social Security is no joking matter - especially for women who don't have a prayer of earning as much as men - I've worked since I was 15 starting after school and on the weekends - raised 4 children alone with no child support from their dead beat dad who's dead now and could care less - am trying to live on social security and keep my home I worked all my life to pay for - it's practically impossible and the cost of living just keeps going up - get your head out of the sand politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!


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