Romney and Thompson - two draft dodgers who want us to know patriotic they are.

My grateful appreciation to John McCain.

USN 74-80

I wonder if any of these candidates really understand todays soldier? Todays soldier is probably more patriotic than any generation of soldiers in our past.

Think about it. Soldiers of today have all volunteered knowing they WILL be sent to the middle east to risk their lives for this country.

I wish all the candidates would think about one word in the soldiers creed....RESPECT. Respect them enough to not use them to gain votes. Respect them enough to remember the sacrifices they face every day. And finally, respect them enough to, if elected, be careful when making the decision to send them into harms way.

With the exception of McCain who gives a damn what they have to say. Screw this party too if the best they can scrape up is Rudy and Mitt while ignoring someone like Hunter. Of course that doesn't mean I could join the National Socialist party of contempt and envy.

http://www.gohunter08.com/shownews.asp?artid=115

Friday, November 09, 2007
DUNCAN HUNTER HIGHLIGHTS IMPORTANCE OF VETERANS DAY


DUNCAN HUNTER HIGHLIGHTS IMPORTANCE OF VETERANS DAY


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:  November 9, 2007

CONTACT:  Gary Becks  (619) 334-1655, dlhunter08@yahoo.com

San Diego, CA - - - Presidential candidate and current Ranking Member of the House Armed Services Committee, Congressman Duncan Hunter, today made the following statement regarding Veterans Day.

"Veterans Day provides our nation the opportunity to reflect thankfully on the sacrifices of those who have served the cause of freedom.

"In the last century more than 619,000 Americans in uniform were killed on battlefields around the world protecting our nation and our way of life.

"We cannot thank them all sufficiently. It is beyond human capability to grasp the enormity of what they gave so the rest of us might enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We can, however, reflect on the unique quality of America 's veterans and their service.

"From Bunker Hill to New Orleans, Gettysburg to San Juan Hill, Belleau Wood to Normandy, Chosin Reservoir to Khe San, Desert Storm to Kabul, Baghdad to Fallujah, American veterans have represented the finest of human qualities. "Greater love hath no man than he who lays down his life for another" is what the Bible tells us. Our veterans have made that sacrifice unflinchingly, with a character that General Douglas MacArthur described as "stainless." They make the sacrifice for their comrades in arms, their "buddies" and the immediate mission at hand. But in a greater sense they have made the sacrifice for millions of Americans whom they do not know and who do not know them.

"And uniquely, American veterans have not brought subjugation to the nations they prevailed in, but rather brought freedom.  From the Philippines to Japan , to Germany , to El Salvador and Panama … America has never coveted another nation, but has only asked that freedom be followed and that the institutions of freedom be established, often with American aid.

"All of us, secure in America 's blessings can honor our veterans today. We can do this by thanking them personally, by involving ourselves in the many organizations that serve veterans and their families and, finally, we can follow their model of selflessness by helping our fellow citizens wherever we see a need."

I salute senator McCain, Senator Hagel, and all those who have honored our nation with their service.


Van

Of course today's soldier is more patriotic then ever before.  Not since the Korean war have we seen the type of men and women that want to serve their country and in some cases pay the ultimate price so fools like us can continue to write on here.  

We can be safe and assured that today's military is finest in the world.  We proved back in World War 2 that when it comes to saving the world from evil, it is the United States that will lead the way.  Today we are faced with another evil (actually 2 evils).  Terrorists that want to destroy us and Liberals that want to help the terrorists win.

We owe a debt of gratitude to all the veterans and their families for the sacrifices they have made for our country. So, thank you to them all from a grateful American.

hp to say any veteran is less patriotic than another is an insult and you owe every vet of the past and present an apology.  the rest of your post i can agree with.

We should celebrate mccain and bash the heck out of the non serving flag waving faux patriot chickenhakws like rudy, freddy and mitty...the false bravado and support fail to impress this former sailor....

Ex-marine:

I think we all stand by HP Kansas.......

ex-marine, My post was not meant to be an insult to any vet. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.
By the way, thank you for your service.

Jerry, The end of your message was uncalled for. You ruined your post with it.

HP Kansas:

I think it is perfect myself.......

There are many wartime Vets in this country who consider themselves to be 'Liberals'. The people on this blog should watch their mouth on Veterans day, and not debase that term to gain 'Conservative' brownie points. You just show all of us Vets, what an idiot you are.

Looking for a different take on Veteran’s Day? Try this column written from Baghdad:
http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/12/like_being_a_war_critic_thank_a_soldier

Thank you ex-marine for your service to all of us.
But I wish the commercials would have said how these candidates would help veterans, this is a very big issue for vets and their families and for all americans, too bad they all saw them as a symbol to be used rather than real people who are not being treated well by this government. These commercials are proof that these people just don't get it.
They should all hide their heads in shame at this symbol over needed substance.
When we liberals win Jerry I will personally send you a turban and a Koran. Get off it, you do all americans a disservice with your silliness.
Do you really ever have a point that is worth repeating?

Jerry, I've read a lot of your posts, and find them entertaining and sometimes enlightening. But, by liberals, I think you mean democrats. I don't think the democrats want to help the terrorists win. So,...You ruined an otherwise "perfect" post with that comment.

"Liberals that want to help the terrorists win. "

Some days your total stupidity makes me sick. You  have got to be the biggest whiner ever bound in hide.

F### you, Jerry.

As a veteran, I can say that what HP said has some logic to it. The meaning  I take is that the soldier today is more apt not to participate in the silly protest and be used as a propaganda tool of the pacifist of this nation. Vietnam was a different era with a different generation of people whom I believe are attempting to relive that era. Soldiers today are not as easily influenced by the political ploy of the day.

"It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who's given us freedom to demonstrate. It's the soldier, not the reporter, who's given us freedom of the press. It's the soldier, not the poet, who's given us freedom of speech."

-- why do conservatives feel they can't praise one group without putting down another group.  The world is not a zero sum game.  Instead of making me feel good about our soldiers, Thompson has left a bad taste in my mouth.  Maybe he should have added that it is the soldier not the power-hungry politician who defends our constitution.

Today we are faced with  2 evils.  Terrorists who want to destroy what we stand for and Conservatives who are doing it for them.

-- there jerry, now it is perfect.

'tout Clinton's work for the veterans and ability to lead the country with her "forward thinking" and "high level of integrity." '

 I honestly don't think hillary understands the meaning of the word integrity, otherwise I am sure she would never mention it.

When John Murtha calls our Marines rapist and Murders, and the Marines are exsonerated then Murtha should be SUED for slander, When Dick Durbin calls our troops Nazis the he shoud, resign, NO EXCEPTIONS

All vets deserve our thanks and respect.  Leave the political labels out of it.  
One of the best ways that we as a Nation can honor our veterans' service is to provide the necessary medical treatment for them and their families as promised by our politicians.  Do a little research and support your officials who stand up when it counts.  

nuanced: WTF???? You always seem to say something stupid. You start off OK then you get into your Liberal rant and there it goes, down the drain. You deserve a hand to the face{

HP - although I know you're intentions were in the right place, you've just made a totally absurd statement and I truly hope you are making it as a veteran that has served in a war zone.  To classify one generation of veterans as 'more dedicated' and patriotic than any other is just about the worst kind of 'compliment' anyone could pay to veterans at large. As with Vietnam, we're in the wrong war at the wrong time, and manufactured by the wrong people - other than that, what's the difference??  Everybody's life is always on the line in a war zone.

USAF - 1963-67......nam 1965-66.

I want to put out a HEARTY THANK YOU to the Golden Corral Resturaunts for their honoring Veterans for the past 6 years with a free buffet meal. I know of no other place that does this. The meal is good and much appreciated. Thank you Golden Corral

To all who don't understand my meaning:

During WWII, Korea, and Vietnam; our military consisted of quite a few drafted soldiers. While today it is an all volunteer army. Having said that, please understand; there is a great number of men in my family that served in those conflicts. So I mean no disrespect to ANY veteran.

If you have a son, watch him graduate highschool, enlist in the army, and 14 weeks later attend his graduation ceremony from basic combat training.....and then see the drastic change in him (for the better)......you'll know what I mean.

But, by liberals, I think you mean democrats. I don't think the democrats want to help the terrorists win.

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Then why do they (teh Democrats) continue to do things to aid and encourage the enemy?  See Senator Reids and House Leader Pelosi's remarks for details.

On this Veteran's Day, let me just say thanks to all veterans who served this country.  Your service and sacrifice is appreciated regardless of your political leanings!!

I personally consider myself a conservative...please do not make the mistake that certain other conservative posters here speak for all of us.  I personally respect and appreciate any veteran's service regardless of when it occurred!  

On Veteran's Day, Jerry of Corpus Christi is an anachronism that never has and never will have any credibility - and especially today.  Unless Jerry declares his military credentials and his wartime service, he's just another civilian that has an opinion (and we know how commmon those are).  

While we honor all veterans today, there are indeed an abundance of political liberals that have risked life and limb in other wars and for a variety of reasons.  These individuals are known specifically as Veterans of Foreign Wars, regardless of their political affiliation and party preference.  

Veterans do not support wars just because they happen to be veterans.  There are just wars, and then there is just plain war. This liberal has been there and done that, and that's a damn good reason for being a liberal....I work at a VA hospital, and I hope Jerry is volunteering to go to his nearest VA Medical Center to help returning Iraqi veterans (many with closed head injuries and amputations) begin to make their re-adjustment to a 'normal' life.

Unless you see the war-injured, you have no concept of how horrific and life-altering these injuries can be.  The war at hand better damn sure be worth it to exact the price of the dead and war-wounded.  

This one is not.      

Maybe I do go over the edge when it comes to the Vietnam vets from time to time.  I do find it sometimes seriously funny and sometimes seriously sad how you vietnam vets go into your " Oh Woe is me" style of complaining.  I never heard that from my family when they were WW2 and Korea vets and I certainly don't hear it from my family fighting overseas today.  But when you Vietnam vets come in here and you bitch and moan and whine and complain, it really ticks me off to no end.  I'm sorry we lost, oh well.  Part of life.  You take a sad song and try to make it better, you don't sit there and cry about it.  It's the government's fault, it's that fault, it's their fault.  That day is long since set and tomorrow is another day.  I certainly didn't care for Vietnam; it was the wrong war.  Just like I feel the war today is the right war and if we take out Iran, so be it.  But to sit here and watch you nam guys complain does get to be a bit much from time to time.  

Check out John Edwards website and see what he said he would do for veterans with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

Edwards/Biden or Edwards/Obama 08!!

I'm going to switch to independent, because the "Jerrys" of this country are whats wrong with the republican party.

Jerry

I have to say I don't think the Viet Nam veterans were treated well when they returned home from their tours of duty.  So, I can see why they are "complaining." No matter who it is, not matter what war, all of these men and women served our country.  They have earned our gratitude and respect.  If I had gone through what many of them have, I probably would be doing a whole lot more "bitching and whining" (your words) than they are.

Give them credit for their service. They deserve it.

jerry. You're the biggest whiner and complainer on this blog, not to mention being just one more creep to spit at us. II Corps 68-69

I certainly don't agree with a lot of things that the more liberal vets here have to say.  But, I do RESPECT what they did and sacrificed for this country.  And in that vain, when I disagree with them, I will always do it with a measure of respect.  I don't care when they served, the bottom line is that they did and for it, they deserve a measure of respect.

We certainly all have a right to disagree with each other.  Heck, that's what our military fights for.  But, when we disagree, it's nice to do it with some respect.  

The other day, my wife organized an event with other moms and their kids (most of which were under the age of 7, including my 2 kids).  The event was to put together care packages to go to our soldiers in the battlefield.  When it was explained to the kids what the soldiers were doing (obviously this wasn't in very graphic terms, more like taking care of our country), they really threw themselves into it.  Heck, my kids didn't want to stop even when we ran out of supplies.  So on this Veteran's Day, please think about those who have served and are serving our country.  We owe them all a debt of gratitude.

"nuanced: WTF???? You always seem to say something stupid. You start off OK then you get into your Liberal rant and there it goes, down the drain. You deserve a hand to the face{ "


Oh, NO! ItheMiddles most strident admonishment - on a par with a sharp sniff!

Oh, nuanced - how sad this day must be for you - censored by the most self-righteous idiot is a sea of self-righteous idiots.

"But to sit here and watch you nam guys complain does get to be a bit much from time to time." -jerry/corpus christi texas

-- better get used to jerry; I predict you will be hearing for the next twenty years from the 'raq guys.

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"Oh, nuanced - how sad this day must be for you - censored by the most self-righteous idiot is a sea of self-righteous idiots. - AllAroundYou (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:57 AM)

-- thanks for the sympathy AllAroundYou. I was heartbroken but as jerry said "take a sad song and make it better"

I was wondering about IntheMuddle's hand to the face emoticon {  
It kind of looks like a face but where is the hand?  Is this a standard one?

I decided to come up with some other ones for retaliation. Please help me decide which is best or suggest others.

baseball bat to the face !{
two finger poke in the eyes (nyuck nyuck) =:
kick in the asterisk  >*
invasive worm in the ear ~@
ants in the pants ....H

Jeryy,

The Vietnam vets are 'whining' because of the inhuman treatment they received at the hands of all the "Jerrys" in America back then.

As an OIF vet, I personally hope they "whine" for all eternity to remind the American people of the injustices they committed against them.

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