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Bill defends Hill against 'those boys'

Posted: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:32 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Lauren Appelbaum and Elissa Davis
In South Carolina this morning, Bill Clinton said his wife can handle the criticism by her presidential rivals. "Even though those boys have been getting kinda tough on her lately, she can handle it."
 
This past week, Hillary Clinton has accused her competitors of "piling on" since the MSNBC debate two weeks ago. Currently, her campaign is under fire for suggesting specific questions to attendees at events. The former President has taken advantage of opportunities such as these to defend his wife. 
 
Among touting her healthcare and energy plans to students and supporters at Trident Technical College, Clinton said his wife would be a good president because of her standing relationships with leaders around the world. "This is the only time in my lifetime I can think of that actually people in South Carolina and Arkansas, where I'm from,” he said, “are going to vote for a president based on somebody they think will make us look better than the rest of the world."
 
Clinton described her efforts working with Republican Senators to get things done, including bills she worked on with Lindsey Graham and John McCain. "If you notice, the Republican Senators hadn't had many bad things to say about her,” Clinton said. “Why? Because they do things together. That's the answer."
 
The former president also illustrated that his wife would facilitate job growth while stopping global warming and protecting our national security. “She knows the reason we haven’t had job growth is because we walked away from a serious commitment to a pure energy source," Clinton said, adding that you can’t outsource these jobs. "Someone has to be on the roof.”

He compared the increase in job opportunities that would sprout from global warming initiatives to that growth that arose from information technology, saying it would allow us to “take back fiscal responsibility.”
 
Clinton also said he enjoys working to help elect her, instead of the other way around. "I figure I'm about 20 years shy, so I'm trying to catch up here," he said. "She says I have to work hard ’cause free campaign help is hard to come by. So I'm doing my best."

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In South Carolina this morning, Bill Clinton said his wife can handle the criticism by her presidential rivals.

Yeah right....
Maybe if she answered the questions with some seriousness and some insight instead of looking like your puppet Bill, maybe you wouldn't have to defend her so much.....


Among touting her health care and energy plans to students and supporters at Trident Technical College, Clinton said his wife would be a good president because of her standing relationships with leaders around the world.

And besides shaking their hand and standing 2 feet behind her husband on these trips, what does Hillary Clinton know about foreign policy???????

The former president also illustrated that his wife would facilitate job growth while stopping global warming and protecting our national security. “She knows the reason we haven’t had job growth is because we walked away from a serious commitment to a pure energy source," Clinton said, adding that you can’t outsource these jobs. "Someone has to be on the roof.”

Yeah Bill?

Unemployment rate the last time I looked was 4.7%
was it ever that low while you were President?
Plus you had a recession on your watch........
Haven't seen one on President Bush's watch.....


"She says I have to work hard ’cause free campaign help is hard to come by. So I'm doing my best."

From some of the stories about the volunteers and the way they are being treated in Iowa, I can see why good free help is hard to come by.



If Senator Clinton can handle it, then why is the former President even talking about "those boys getting kinda tough on her?" I don't think he is helping her cause. Seems to me, the best thing the Clinton campaign could do is to put that whole "they're picking on me" attitude away for the remainder of the campaign.  It's not working.
Well whip out the girl card again. WTG Bill, and thanks.

,” he said, “are going to vote for a president based on somebody they think will make us look better than the rest of the world."

Is that a typo? We want to look better THAN the rest of the world?
Clinton said his wife would be a good president because of her standing relationships with leaders around the world.
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That's a John "Lurch" Kerry line he stole........it didn't work in 2004....

What is that saying about an idiot?

Oh yeah, "Only and idiot does the same thing over and over again, expecting different results".
Like any surfer(talented or not)one will catch a good wave and benifit,with Billy Boy(I feel your?  PAIN?)caught a ecomonic wave, which Billyboy didn't CREATE, it happened, was pure Dumb luck, timing.  That summons up Billboy's presi-indecent time in the OVAL orfice. Meanwhile the Hillamonster was beating back all the sex news Billboy did CREATE. That was the Hill's job. How 8 years of would that experience will  benifit you or I, hm beats me??  On the other hand she would create a greater need for "HOMELAND SECURITY" !!Hide the woman, Billy Boy will be loose at the Capital.
   AlexR V. Sacramento, Ca.  
Sombody shut that man up. He is not the one running but is getting out in front, make him go clean the house or write a book.
recesssion coming next year! Blame it on the dems! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA The more Jerry stays the same, the more he stays the same.
"She says I have to work hard ’cause free campaign help is hard to come by. So I'm doing my best."

Free campaign help would be easier to come by if people believed in your message, rather than the establishment and inevitability.  Good thing you have Bill to fill you coffers and of course poor Chinese immigrants.  But hey, you can always pay people to ask you questions to your liking.
"Those boys"?  That's unnecessarily condescending, makes both Bill and Hillary look bad.  I certainly didn't expect that from the former President.
Bill need to back off.
I really think that she's picked on because she is a woman.  Men still can't grasp the fact that a woman is running for president. They wiil do everything in their power to shut her down.  We're still living in the "Donna Reed days! God forbid if she wins!  Men will NOT be able to handle a woman running the country.

I think anyone who is running against her and keeps slamming her shows their stupidity.  I will NEVER vote for someone who spends all their efforts slamming their opponents.  That shows me nothing that they stand for, except putting down their opponents. Just speak the facts and give us your "stuff."  I would never vote for Obama or Edwards at this point of the game.  So far, they offer me nothing to WANT to vote for them! game!                                                
She's "picked on" because she's a joke of a candidate with no credentials and no stance on the issues. And Obama and Edwards have no guts. Only Liberals would think they can win an election by sitting back and being "nice". Give me a break.
Wendy Frederick, Santa Monica, CA

Is this a sexist coment or what? If we didn't challenge her on the issues, you will all say she ran a flawless campaign but if we point out the difference then you say she is been picked on.

I think it is time you and slicky will get a life.

If she can't handle common Obama, Edward and Rudy, how does she intend to handle Ahmadinejad or the world detators that can't stand America?

Is she going to call Bill in her defense if they picked on her in foreign meeting?
This is hilarious.  Bill is swiftboating his own wife.
Wendy, how is Hillary Clinton picked on? Obama went through the exact same thing earlier in the summer over his comments about Pakisan: comments it was later revealed Hillary had agreed with and supported. Yet, she called him naive and inexperienced for holding the same position she herself has held.

Hillary Clinton is being treated like the front runner. She's being held to the exact same standard every other campaign is being held: edwards got through the fortress scandal and $400 haircut without whining about it.

Bill Clinton reducing the candidates to "the boys" is both sad and unfortunate. And if you're not going to vote for someone who slams their oponnents then Wendy, clearly you're not planning to vote in this election at all. Because the Clinton war machine, LEGENDARY.
To Jerry from Corpus Christi, Texas,
I can't help but notice that you post a comment on every story on read first.  We get it already, you are a conservative Republican from Texas!!! Big shock.
If your life is really better because of the leadership of GWB you must have been a frat brother or a national guard drinking buddy of his.
Just wait until GWB leaves office and signs a multi-million $ book deal and then worms his way out of paying the taxes he owes on it.  Jerry, he will pass the bill on to you and the rest of the people of Texas since he is done needing anything from y'all.
Yeah Wendy?

Dirty harry said it best......

If you are going to play lumberjack......
Better be sure you can handle your end of the log...
I really think that she's picked on because she is a woman. Wendy Frederick, Santa Monica, CA

I don't think the criticism of Senator Clinton is "picking on her." And they are not criticizing her because she is a woman, but rather because she is the leader in the polls.  Pointing out disparities in a candidate's position, or pointing out the failure of a candidate to take a definitive position is not picking on someone. How are voter to distinguish among the positions of the various candidates if the differences are not pointed out?  
Wendy Frederick - I really think that she's picked on because she is a woman.


No.  She's being picked on because she's an idiot.
Hillary doesn't get picked on because she's a woman.
She doesn't get picked on at all. At the Philly debate, she was asked a direct question. Everyone at the debate and anybody watching via internet listened to her respond first one way and immediately a second and different way in answer to the question about whether she supported, or not, legislation that could allow New York State's illegal immigrants to be  given driver's licenses. Hillary flip-flopped on it. Several times. Barack Obama didn't flip-flop; he answered straight-up that he supported the legislation.

Furthermore, Bill should stop defending Hillary; it makes both of them look and sound wimpy.

In her own words Hillary has stated she's a 'tough guy'. That said, she'd better get used to the heat 'cause she and her campaign wizards have done this to her. They're cynical, opportunistic, manipulative, and dishonest people.

Hillary will never get my vote. Her political experience is co-oped from Bill's. Their combined political lives never offered anything of good value. She offers me nothing except 20+ years of his/her baggage, dishonesty, and manipulation.
notice the comments here that bash her are...
The Bill and HIllary Show; two accomplished, remorseless, self-serving sociopaths doing their "thang."
What? A spouse cannot defend the other spouse now? These nasty posts by supporters of Barrack "i will increase black voters by 30%" "not playing race card" obama and John "i join hedge fund to study poverty" 400-dollar-haircut populist edwards only refect badly on their own candidates.
Hillary wants to be president and yet, she cannot stand on her own and fight her own battles.  She runs to Bill to save her from the bully boys.
this is not only not showing her as being capable of being president but, also casts her as weak.
MR. RUSSERT:  Some involved in the anti-movement have said that in 2004, 2005, 2006 Barack Obama voted to fund the war.  Every time there was a proposal to have a fixed date withdrawal you said no, it would be a slap in the face to the American troops, it may create bloodshed and more division, that American credibility was at stake, that you were not a leader in trying to stop the war until you ran for president and got to Iowa and got to New Hampshire and had a sense of the anti-war, war fervor in the Democratic base.

SEN. OBAMA:  No.

MR. RUSSERT:  Where was the leadership?

SEN. OBAMA:  I, I, I disagree with that.  You know, throughout I was a constant critic.  

MR. RUSSERT:  But you have changed in your support now of withdrawal.  You have changed now in your support of cutting off funding.

SEN. OBAMA:  But I haven’t changed in my opposition to the war.  

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What does it tell us? Intelligent thoughtful responses only.
Wendy, please.  She is the front runner for the most powerful position in the world.  Her flawless campaign imploded by her own self destructiveness.  Giving two answers on the drivers license issue, playing the gender card, playing victim, having bill run interference, playing the swiftboat card, voting for the Iran amendment, having a dreadful speech at JJ dinner, changing your campaign slogan mid campaign (sounds desperate), and planting questions in her "conversations" with America.  The smoke and mirror show has evaporated and now we see Hillary for who she is= a bs shooter.
I really don't undertand the depth of the wrath directed towards the Clintons.  I wouldn't nominate them for any medals, but when you consider our current president, who lied to get support to start a war that hundreds of thousands have died in, or the current GOP standard bearer, Giuliani, whose womanizing makes Slick Willy look like an amateur... I mean, where is all the outrage about these guys?
Doesn't anyone get it. It does'nt matter who we vote for, the power as be.. will remain the same. They have been strategic from the get go. Although I have a question for you,when in history have we hired contract killers, who entered the arena within a war zone, along side of our military?
How can we guarantee our boys are caught up in there wild behavior, as they obviously don't adhere to the same game plan let alone laws of war. The adminstration lied to the people as to why they are going to subject a country to regime change, for the reasons of secret weapons of mass destruction( and Democracy LOL). Yet the people of Iraq have been killed by the 10's of thousands for the mistakes of one man, that never had the weapons, as he said to the UN.  The propaganda to our boys in Iraq is: Iraq equates to 911, the most vile lie of all. The innocent blood of our boys in America, and the innocents in Iraq, deserve justice don't they?  
Clinton's husband is quickly becoming the media magnet, and finding a way to say just the wrong thing at just the wrong time. I'm sorry, but WHO'S the candidate in this marriage?

BTW, weren't most of the other world leaders that Mrs Clinton would have come to know by dint of being their hostess at the White House have moved on to pasture by now? Last I checked, most OTHER countries have changed their leadership since the 90s just as we did.
The racial connotation of "boys" is hard to miss when uttered by a Southern pol to a South Carolina audience. It's not a slip of the tongue.  Clinton always knows exactly what he is saying and to whom.  His choice of words is always purposeful -- as in never having had sex with that woman, never inhaling, or in parsing the meaning of "is."
Wendy, pardon me for saying this, but, you are so wrong.  Most Democratic men (by virtue of their party affiliation) are perfectly comfortable with the idea of a woman president.  I daresay that there are even many (maybe not a majority) of Republican men who are comfortable with the concept - after all those same Republicans loved Margaret Thatcher, the iron lady.

The problem is not with Hillary's gender (although I think she lessens herself by playing the gender card constantly) it's with her candidacy and with the men who work on her campaign - giving poor advise and even poorer surrogate defense.  

The problem I have is with Hillary's position on the war, her lack of a cogent position on SS, her closeness to special interests and her inability to take a position on simple questions (thanks to the triangulating advise of her pollster, Mark Penn).  But, mostly it's with her votes on the war.

Please don't demean me by thinking that I, a patriotic male American, would sacrifice a vote for a woman who spoke my heart and stood for my principles, simply because she was a woman.  Don't think for a moment that I  wouldn't want the most honorable  and precise leader for my country, no matter the gender.  How could you think that I wouldn't want any and all of my four daughters to achieve all of which they are capable?  And that includes the assumption of the presidency.

No Wendy it's not Hillary's gender that is the problem.  The problem is Hillary.  

BTW I was at an Obama rally today in Claremont, NH and I have to say that Senator Obama is one impressive individual.  He entertained all questions (no plants, as far as I could tell) and even told some people things that they didn't want to hear.  To me the ability to clearly communicate difficult and even unpalatable concepts is what makes a true leader.
Obama '08
Wendy, you were not voting for them any(hope you come around though). Strong women running for POTUS do not complain or have their husbands complain about the 'boys' picking on them. Ask Margaret Thatcher/Golda Meir(sp)/Queen Victoria(in her time) how strong women handle the 'boys'. The 'inevitably coronated one' looks weak. The first female president should be an iron lady. B Clinton(I do like) makes her look weak.  
Analogy: Before the military sends their best soldier into battle, they get tested by their own. The other so-called 'boys' in the Dem party(colleagues and friends of hers) tested her, and so far she is failing.
Go to http://BarackObama.com or any other site to see their 'stuff'. His policy is laid out in detail. B Obama do Q&A sessions without waffling. As a Dem voter, I want the excuses for her to end.
i can't determine if WJ Clinton is ignorant or he believes we are.  Case in point:  There have been 1.7 million jobs created in the last 12 months and unemploymnet is not at near record lows 4.9%.  And he, and she, should stop the charade the she is being piled on (by everyone but WJC himself)  because she lacks a Y chromocsone. I can't  imagine PM Thatatcher ever coming up with somethjing like whine.  







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i can't determine if WJ Clinton is ignorant or he believes we are.  Case in point:  There have been 1.7 million jobs created in the last 12 months and unemploymnet is not at near record lows 4.9%.  And he, and she, should stop the charade the she is being piled on (by everyone but WJC himself)  because she lacks a Y chromocsone. I can't  imagine PM Thatatcher ever coming up with somethjing like whine.  







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Is anyone posting to MSNBC, not a rightwing republican?  10 posts, 1 pro Hillary, 9 anti Hillary.
MSNBC says that Bill Clinton responded "on cue," in defense of his wife.  Is MSNBC saying that Bill has no right to come to his wife's defense?  Aren't Obama and Edwards acting "on cue," in attacking Hillary, as soon as she makes the tiniest misjudgement?
I can't believe she continues to play a gender card or the fact that Bill keeps saying they are being rough on her!  What job does she think she is running for???  Since when should we not give or recieve collective critisism?  Usually, one would think that when someone is criticized... they would tend to look back, reflect and make the necessary changes to become a better person not only for themselves but others around them.  This race is not supposed to be whether you are black or white, male or female, jew, mormon, catholic, or Christian etc....  Who is going to organize, effectively run and bring this country back together as a whole country not blue against red etc...?  Bring back the rights of the American people - like freedom of speech, bring the jobs back into the US, not India or China...  Who has the desire to make the average person's life a better place to live in the US... Fix the ecomony... Help the people who are on disability... Who can stand up and be honest and trustworthy...not only to the American public but the whole world..  This isn't a race for who is the most popular... who is going to respect the citizens of the US enough not to lie to their faces, steal behind their backs etc...  the candidates are supposed to be running to serve the citizens of the US not captialize off of the taxpayers!  Get a grip Hillary, I don't hear Nancy Pelosi or Ms. Rice crying gender!!  You are evidently not worthy of the Presidency... How would you look to the Mideast... crying "I am just a girl!"  Grow up and get a life... outside of our White House!  We don't need a president who is in lawsuits with other citizen of the US either!  Honesty is the best policy and the Clinton's don't have it!!!
The buffoon should shut up.
We need some one to rescue the United State Of America, they can't be Hill or Juli. May be an independent to cover all blue and red states. I voted for Bill, but will not vote for his wife. She is fake, and political competer with a good memory, to repeat what was given to that machine. Also Bill is not running again, so tell him to disapper, back off, Mr.First man of tenative future president, and hope not. We have bushes and look alike in white house for a long time, and it is time for new fresh start.
You think the unemployment rate is low?Just wait till the war is over and all the factories that build war
equipment close and the army returns.Allready the war
cost per household is $20.000,00.Look at the fuel cost
etc etc. Good luck to you all.If you people ahead you
save the country and elect a president that that knows how to handle world leaders instead of fighting
them. The CLINTONS can save you from disaster!.Rudie.
Great post Wendy Frederick, Senator Clinton's opponents seem to think the bush smear tactics work best.  They accuse the Clinton's of being bush-like and it is they that emulate republicans low, divisive  standards. All day every day you get nothing of substance from the attack dogs, but it will bite them in the butt in the long run.
William Jefferson Clinton we can not wait for you and Hillary to lead our country back to a better World!
Keep up your campaign support, we love you both and the world is waiting for America to have strong, competent, intelligent leadership again.
Open your eyes Wendy Frederick.  It has NOTHING to do with the fact that she's a woman.  She deceptive, dishonest, and refuses to take a stand on an issue.  She waffles on issues, plants questions, and can't handle hard questions.  Her only defense to a "bunch of boys picking on her" is saying that she's a girl?  Does that really make you, as a woman, feel stronger?  Do you feel better knowing that the President's husband thinks HE has to stand up for her, cause she's just a girl, against all these boys?  Do you really think that makes HER battle hard?  You somehow think women ARE inferior, so "the boys" SHOULDN'T attack a girl, but they're ok attacking each other?

That excuse doesn't fly in my book.  Clinton likes to claim she is "one strong woman," and she is a very intelligent, very smart woman.  However, we don't need a PRESIDENT that can't pick which side of the issue they stand on, we don't need a ANOTHER PRESIDENT who is afraid to talk to foreign leaders.  We don't need ANOTHER PRESIDENT who saber-rattles against foreign countries.  We don't need ANOTHER PRESIDENT who sets up fake news conferences with loaded questions.  IN reality, Hillary Clinton is just "the WRONG woman"...  She's no role-model, coat-tail riding her HUSBAND to success- What a message!  Marry the right man, and you TOO can be President!


We need a President not afraid to answer hard questions, not afraid to say where she or he stands, not afraid to talk to foreign leaders face to face.  We need a President who will embrace REAL CHANGE.  A name change isn't enough!  We've had 8-16 years of partisan bickering.  Hillary Clinton wants to "turn up the heat" on the Republicans, she wants to CREATE division.  We need a UNITER, not a DIVIDER.

BARACK OBAMA '08
I really think that she's picked on because she is a woman.  Men still can't grasp the fact that a woman is running for president. They will do everything in their power to shut her down.  We're still living in the "Donna Reed days! God forbid if she wins!  Men will NOT be able to handle a woman running the country.

I think anyone who is running against her and keeps slamming her shows their stupidity.  I will NEVER vote for someone who spends all their efforts slamming their opponents.  That shows me nothing that they stand for, except putting down their opponents. Just speak the facts and give us your "stuff."  I would never vote for Obama or Edwards at this point of the game.  So far, they offer me nothing to WANT to vote for them! game!                                                
Wendy Frederick, Santa Monica, CA (Sent Monday, November
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BRAVO!! KUDOS!! DITTO!! FACTS!!
Wendy Frederick is H P Boston.
This is so dumb.  Who is writing this stuff?  Interns from Idaho?

In the south - where was Bill campaigning again - men often refer to other groups of men as "boys."  Bill was in South Carolina laying on his southern charm.  

Here in Charlotte, about 2 1/2 hours from Charleston were Bill was you here it all the time.  Ask southern man how the Panthers are playing and he is liable to say, "those boys look like S--t!."

Go to the races on Friday night and you might hear someone say, "those boys are runnin' fast tonight."

The media has it in their mind that they are going to write about some "gender card" whether it exists or not.

I think what is really happening here is that CLinton's opponents, both Democratic and Republican, want to box her in and blunt her attempts to agressively court women voters.  So at everyturn they are looking to say "see she is playing the gender card", whether she (or Bill) is or not.
The media has it in their mind that they are going to write about some "gender card" whether it exists or not.

I think what is really happening here is that CLinton's opponents, both Democratic and Republican, want to box her in and blunt her attempts to aggressively court women voters.  So at everyturn they are looking to say "see she is playing the gender card", whether she (or Bill) is or not.
DickieFlatts, Charlotte, NC (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:46 AM)

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Exactly Dickie, It does not take much to figure it out, this is going to bite them.  Women are going to see this as attack on ALL women and of course it is.
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Sorry Laurel Chambers (who ever)  I am not Wendy!
But did you know that "Wendy the wicked witch washes her hair on windy winter wednesday's!!" (Sesame Street):)
I would like to commint on those who have done nothing but make crude remarks and ignorant assumptions about Mrs. Clinton and her campaign.  

All of you who are being snide and remarking about what a joke she is, let me tell you what the real joke is.

The real joke is that we are billions in debt because of a necessiary war that has been stretched beyond imagination.  The real joke is that we have no jobs being created.  Even bigger joke that I see is that I see everyone making comments about her but guess what, NOT ONE OF YOU managed to muster up one cent of something to say about someone else doing a better job.  At least she is offering solutions, making promises that can be obtained.  Those of you who remarked the way you did regarding her and the democratic party are the EXACT reason our country has been deemed as a "bully" and we Americans our now who were once revered as a welcoming land our now being viewed as terrorists to many other countries.  

That idiot sitting in the White house now has brought our country from a place of economic prosperty to a practical wasteland of fear and debt.  I suggest you people get your thumbs out of your pompasses and start coming up with solutions rather than knock on the one woman who is at least trying to make a differance
Jerry wrote, "Yeah Bill?

Unemployment rate the last time I looked was 4.7%
was it ever that low while you were President?
Plus you had a recession on your watch........
Haven't seen one on President Bush's watch..... "

I was never a fan of Bill, but Bush makes him look better every day. Did you forget the 2001 recession, Jerry? And, though it won't be official for awhile, how about the current recession?
Good points DickieFlatts,
Also she is the percieved front runner and they always get blasted from all sides.
Historical lesson, THE HILL is not the first woman to run for pres.
Beautiful day, sunny and warm and it's my birthday, saw 5 bluebirds sitting on the wire, catching bugs and drinking from a puddle in the dirt road.
I have to say that I love first read, it is a great venue to get news and to vent and post thouhghts, Thanks guys for giving us this forum, this is what democracy is all about. Keep up the good work and thank all those people who work hard to give us this forum.
I suggest you people get your thumbs out of your pompasses and start coming up with solutions rather than knock on the one woman who is at least trying to make a differance

James Adams, Dalton, GA (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 AM)

James LOL:

If you can find us a woman who can make a difference and not use planted questions and give planted answers, please let us know.
I would like to comment Dalton, GA (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 AM)

------------------------------------------------------Thank you James , great post and so welcome here on the hate Hillary First Read bitch blog.  We need more good thoughtful Americans, you are a one.
Most of the hate spewed on here is from trolls and paid  plants please come back we need some reason and decent input.


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