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First thoughts: Rudy's big-state gamble

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:24 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Julia Steers
*** Rudy’s big-state gamble: The Giuliani campaign yesterday appeared to have some success in getting many members of the national press corps to write -- if not completely buy into -- the idea that it doesn’t need to win in the early states because of the big delegate payoffs later in January (Florida) and February (Tsunami Tuesday). Does this mean the campaign is now backing off New Hampshire, where Giuliani has spent A LOT of time recently? And is the campaign panicking here in the wake of two new polls showing that Romney’s lead in the Granite State is growing? Giuliani is not the first candidate to attempt to get the national press to downplay the early states in hopes for wins later, and it rarely works. That said, Giuliani's the first national front-runner to try this. Of course, what happens to the Giuliani national poll lead if he loses Iowa, Wyoming, New Hampshire, and Michigan between January 3 and January 15?  Something will give. That said, if Giuliani breaks through early, it is true he'll be nearly impossible to stop come February 5. The question is getting to that date with his national lead intact. Here's First Read's report.

*** Fred’s shot in the arm: In DC today, the National Right to Life Committee holds a press conference in which the group will announce it’s endorsing Fred Thompson. It appears Thompson won’t attend the presser in person; instead, he’s in South Carolina, where he speaks at the Citadel in Charleston and then does a meet-and-greet at the NASCAR Cafe in Myrtle Beach. The Right to Life nod is a BIG deal. The group spends real money when it backs someone; it's akin to a major labor nod for a Dem candidate. This could be particularly helpful to Thompson in Iowa and South Carolina, where he needs an organizational boost. In fact, it may be why Right to Life picked Thompson -- a major candidate to whom it could make a real difference, therefore potentially having more influence should he get the nod. Could this be for Thompson what the Firefighters were for Kerry in 2004?

*** Desperation time? No one is working Iowa harder than Edwards is, as the New York Times writes today. But is there also a hint of desperation here? “Mr. Edwards often says there is much at stake in this campaign, and his pace and rhetoric reflect his perceived urgency. He has sharpened his criticisms of Mrs. Clinton so much that [Obama supporter] Gordon Fischer, chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party when Mr. Edwards campaigned in 2004, said his demeanor was ‘much more of an attack dog’ than before.” Also, don’t miss that Edwards is refusing to say that he would endorse Hillary Clinton if she becomes the nominee. And, by the way, Edwards goes up with a new TV ad today in Iowa focused on health care.

*** Vote for Tancredo or Die: So the Tancredo campaign unveiled its first TV ad -- the image of a terrorist blowing up a shopping mall. It's the type of ad that one might have expected from Tancredo when his campaign started -- that is, a "shock jock" type of ad. But, frankly, he's been such a non-factor lately that this smells of a candidate desperate for attention. The message of the ad, essentially: Vote for Tancredo or die.

*** On the trail: Edwards continues to campaign in New Hampshire; McCain attends a luncheon in Chicago before hitting fundraising events in Dallas; Obama speaks to the United Auto Workers in Dubuque, IA, a day after some of his Dem rivals addressed the group; Paul meets with voters in Dixville Notch, NH; Richardson raises money in California; and -Romney campaigns in Iowa. Also, Elizabeth Kucinich, in California, speaks to Democrats at Cal Poly.

Countdown to Iowa: 51 days
Countdown to New Hampshire: 56 days
Countdown to Michigan: 63 days
Countdown to Nevada and SC GOP primary: 67 days
Countdown to SC Dem primary: 74 days
Countdown to Florida: 77 days
Countdown to Tsunami Tuesday: 84 days
Countdown to Election Day 2008: 357 days
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Richard,
You are right. The Johnson ad was probably the most powerful, and fear-mongering, ad ever. From a Democrat's perspective, I thought it was over the top, but so was Barry Goldwater's take on how to handle the Soviet Union. Barely two years after the Cuban Missle Crisis nearly punched all of our tickets, the thought that Goldwater would precipitate war with USSR was more than most Americans could take. But yeah, no excuse for the ad:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1479292016396349430&q=johnson+daisy+ad&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Senator Hillary Clinton is the top choice for 41% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. Senator Barack Obama earns the vote from 20% while former Senator John Edwards attracts 17%. Bill Richardson is preferred by 5% and no other candidate tops the 3% level among Likely Democratic Primary Voters (see recent daily numbers).

Clinton-41, Obama-20, Edwards-17. I said last week (you could look it up) that the race between Edwards and Obama (despite the embarrassment of SourGrace) is MORE interesting and competitive than between Hillary and Barack.

I won't do a victory dance, it's just another poll on another day that says the same thing as the others.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Van
CitizenJ-

As Mark Twain said, "The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.", kinda like the poll quoted above.


Van
We might wonder if the so-called "powers" would support a Guiliani candidacy.

Although some will, most see through the veil of his 9/11 shtick and in general he is perceived as an unstable personality.

Whatever one may think of the Democratic candidates' policies or morals, they are in fact seen as stable emotionally.

This would bode better for Mitt, but he is considered unelectable as a result of the religious issue and his radical transformation on domestic and foreign policy.   Once again, not stable.

Actually, power people like Hillary's non-answers and the obvious superior intelligence of the Democratic pack this year.

They see an administration with Obama, the Clintons, Edwards, perhaps Gore and Richardson to name just a few.  These are bankable names and some of them are even boffo at the box office.

After the last 7 years the power folks are taking no chances and no prisoners.

The GOP brand in 2008 is as dead as your father's Oldsmobile.

This is the video that speaks the truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll9-nR4uVs
Van...thought I'd help you out


Poll: Obama, Clinton Virtually Tied
Web Editor: Michael King
Last Modified: 11/12/2007 10:25:12 PM
Grace, NY (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:07 AM)

Grace, I think that's why van is no longer with us.
Trouble at the Clinton DeathStar.

I'm afraid me and jerry 'Swift Boated' van.
(I hope you're HAPPY, JERRY !!).

I remember when van first got her, he said he was like Jet Li, able to fight many at one time.....
He said he'd bring 'truth' and 'justice
to this blog ..... ( ;-0 )
I suspect van was 5' 1" and physically unattractive.

van was an 'apparatchik' for Team Clinton.
He had said he attended Hillary's birthday bash (with the 'little lady') and sat in the 7th row !!

Only Clinton clones could sit in the 7th row.
Attendance at that party was $2,300 per person !!
Only committed Clintonistas could attend that one....

Bye, bye van, RIP !!

Sierra, SF (Sent Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:51 AM)


Well? When are you going to admit that your nasty little celebration turned sour Grace? How's that victory cigar, the one that blew up in your face Sierra?

The poll was more accurate than any of your usual high-pitched screaming, as it represented a reality that at least existed at one time, albeit almost half a year ago.

C'mon folks, where's that bold, in-your-face attitude now? Oh, does this mean YOU are leaving? I hope not, I'm still laughing. I would miss the unintentional humor too much...

New Hampshire Democratic Primary

Clinton-36.8, Obama-23.3 Edwards-13.5

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_primary-194.html


Van

An unusual poll...

Hillary Clinton tops The Trucker poll for Democratic nominee

The Trucker News Services

11/12/2007

Hillary Clinton is the choice of truckers who vote in the recent poll on www.thetrucker.com.

Asked the question “Who would you nominate for the 2008 presidential Democratic candidate?” 40.42 percent of the respondents list Ms. Clinton.

John Edwards received 36.25 percent and Barack Obama received 23.33 percent.

Clinton, Edwards and Obama were listed as choices because they are considered the most viable Democratic candidates according to national polls.

An opportunity to express your choice of Republication candidates will be the poll next week.

www.thetrucker.com/News/Stories/2007/11/12/HillaryClintontopsTheTruckerpollforDemocraticnominee.aspx
Very recently, Obama was offered a deal almost no one could refuse.  He did.  And it changed everything, at least until the dust of Iowa settles.

Dude has character, I will say that. Steely eyes and a great poker face.  He's smiling now.

I was wrong, and very happy to be so, in this case.

"I think if Obama wins the nomination, it will be almost impossible to find a nominee to beat him."


Isn't it ironic that there was once an old radio show that claimed, "...the Shadow knows..."


Van
Vote for Tancredo or die...misusing 911 to win over votes...scaring the hell out of people...mongering hate and wars...spending 20.000 dollars per family in wars far from our country...haven't we gotten used to it?? These politicians who do not care about us, the people, who ONLY care about their own filthy richness and how to get even more rich and how to please Israel most, are used to us shutting our mouths and our ears and our eyes. Our democracy is so rotten and so perverted by zionism, I hope one day all the anger about our zionist politicians will be funneled into ONE BIG CHANGE. Free America from money politics and from zionism and we will be free again....at last!!
What is happening now in the Democratic field has more to do with strategy and potentially shifting power blocs than polls... the only poll to watch for awhile is all about Iowa.

This is another case where polls are stale when they come out...

watch and listen... Iowa.  

Accept no substitute until you see blood in the dust at High Noon.

(Reminds me, apropos of very damn little, that the star of that same film was Gary Cooper, alumnus of Grinnell College, Grinnell, IA.)

Bang!


Iowa will host a big duel on Main Street one more time.


Pour yourself a sarsaparilla, straight up, and watch the fun!


Richard,

I was mostly just being fecetious. I really can't get into my views on something so vast as global warming without taking up an unsightly amount of monitor space. Suffice it to say that, where global warming is concerned, I put my faith in the Bible to tell me the "truth" about it about as much as I do The Cat in the Hat.
vanreuter, NY NY,

Here you go again talking about poll number. How many times did i tell you polls don't matter until after IOWA caucus?

I guess you are part of those pundits in Washington who are 100% wrong at all time.

Up till now, nearly 75% of people have not made up their mind; yet, Mr. Van keeps pushing polls on us. I guess he is using the same strategy perfected by mark Penn - strategy of manipulation.

We all know Clinton’s campaign cannot survive the scrutiny. Evidence shows how they’ve been planting questions in IOWA – perhaps they are doing the same in NH. Why should we trust her if she can’t even take question from ordinary citizen without testing it in the poll.

I don’t think America is ready for another 4 years of Clinton’s dishonesty
you all who doubt obama's minister has preached white hate ought to do a web search... and also find out who obama's minister was before he started the campaign.

Obama ,,, he has strong mafia ties.

his minister preaches white hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWx6FxPA5o


obama hasn't been vetted for a reason.... the gop wants him as the nominee
"-- the idea that it doesn’t need to win in the early states "


With the same Sec's of State Bush had, and Diebold "counting" the votes, he doesn't need to win in ANY state.
Tofun ,,, he has strong mafia ties (black, made of silk)

Tofun ,,, his minister preaches white hate (hence the black tie)

Tofun hasn't been vetted for a reason ... nobody wants him
CitizenJ:

I definitely don't use the Bible as a guide for views on global warming and there would be those who say I don't use it for anything else either.  I also don't place my faith in evangementalists like Al Gore either.

In the cases of both the bible and the "scientific consensus" on global warming I claim no final answers, don't believe anyone else can and believe both to be subject to great interpretation.

Hope my rhetorical questions didn't come across as "putting up the dukes", though it's hard to avoid that interpretation in the First Read context.  

Which brings me to:

John Doe Peanut:

From Metafilter Community Weblog Re: Conelrad's  "Daisy: The Complete History of an Infamous & Iconic Ad"

"This particular ad was designed to run only one time. We have a few more Goldwater ads, none as hard-hitting as that one was, and then we go to the pro-Johnson, pro-Peace, Prosperity, Preparedness spots."

Bill Moyers

I think you are wrong on this one, Peanut.  It was designed to be a massive first strike. Go read up on it.  My confidence in your assessment of humor and sarcasm among the right is severly shaken because if we can't depend on you to get one thing right, how can we believe anything else?





Here we are post-9/11 and we've still got droolers and hard-heads trying to shoot the messenger...you folks sure know how to hurt yourselves, don't ya...unfortunately, you know how to hurt the rest of us also.

Van - That's the second time you've used that comeback; I see that you're cutting and pasting it, much like the questions written by Clinton staff and then read by plants in the audience.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised...
Thought I would weigh in on global warming.  The earth has hot and cold cycles because the sun has periods of solar flares.  The earth's primary heat source is not automobiles or cow farts.  It is the SUN.  It is the Sun, IT IS THE SUN.  It is the sun's fluctuations that have caused .4 temperature increase over the last one hundred and fifty years. It is the Sun, it is the sun, IT IS THE SUN people.
Here comes the sun - Beatles
Black Hole Sun -  Soundgarden


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