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Clinton won't support driver's licenses

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:47 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones
After weeks of giving a less-than-clear answer on the topic of how she felt about giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, Hillary Clinton came out today in support of New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan... to end his quest to do just that.

"I support Governor Spitzer's decision today to withdraw his proposal," Clinton said in a statement. "His difficult job is made that much harder by the failure of the Congress and the White House to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

"As President, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system."

For several days after the Democratic debate in Philadelphia, reporters pressed Clinton on this issue and her rivals accused her of refusing to answer what some saw as a "yes or no" question -- Should undocumented workers have licenses?

Until now, Clinton has said she understood the tough situation governor's like Spitzer were in because they had to "fill a vacuum" left by the federal government's lack of progress on immigration reform. She also said before that she "broadly" supported plans like Spitzer's but did not "pretend to know the details." And now this.

*** UPDATE *** We point you to our timeline of her statements on the issue, which we put together last week -- from her Oct. 16 meeting with the Nashua Telegraph editorial board to her performance at the debate and more.

*** UPDATE 2 *** Obama spokesman Bill Burton writes, “When it takes two weeks and six different positions to answer one question on immigration, it’s easier to understand why the Clinton campaign would rather plant their questions than answer them.”

*** UPDATE 3 *** The Dodd campaign writes, "It's flip-flopping cubed. She was for it before she was against it, before she was for it, before she was against it. It's been weeks now, and she still hasn't offered up a serious, principled answer to the question."

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Okay so Hillary doesn't support driver's licenses for undocumented aliens.
Can we move onto a REAL issue now?
Why would anyone vote for this person???
Wow.  Way to show real presidential leadership on this issue Hillary.
Isn't this another reversal of Sen. Clinton's position on this issue?  During the debate she took both sides of the issue, then later issued a "clarifying statement" saying that she supported the Governor's proposal.  Polling data shows that the proposal is unpopular, and now she has changed her mind again, it seems, and is against the Governor's proposal, now that it has been withdrawn.
She is a remarkable lady-- cynical and lame.

HILLARY IS NO LEADER
Nowwwwwwwww...Its too late Hillary. May be you have a detailed Polling on this. But you are not a leader. A pathetic piece of c@*!p. This is how you voted for IRAQ, based on popular position and polling. You do not deserve to be president.
Huh?  Coincidentally right when Spitzer withdrew his plan.  How's that for leadership?  If I was her, I'd be ashamed to look in the mirror (although if she did, she'd probably turn to stone--okay that was probably sexist, tough.
Hillary, please take a stand...I have more respect for a candidate that is open and honest (even if his/her policies are in opposition to my own) than I do for a candidate who just wants to say what is politically correct.
Now position Taken, I am going to grab another bag of popcorn this with water( got to watch the diet too hehehehe) and have with the whining about how she want to have it both way or even poll driven position.
A driver'slicense is a form of transportaation mainly.  I think giving illegal alien a driver's license, would make it easier to come in contact with them, because of their information on the license.  
If for any reason they are looked for, a check on the computer will make it easier to locate them is what I think.
Well, that's quite an evolution from saying Sptizer's plan "makes a lot of sense" to waffling at the debate to now opposing it.  I guess it took Mark Penn a couple weeks to tell Hillary what her core convications are.
Very smart more on the part of both Spitzer and Senator Clinton. The majority of people recently polled on the subject were against doing this. These are our elected officials doing the work of the people. The people spoke...they listened. Thank you both. Unfortunately the current occupant of the White House doesn't understand this fundamental rule of governing.
Now it is time to press her on what she means by immigration reform, border security etc...

I suspect it's convene a bipartisan paanel to discuss the issue....But would like to know.

Is there a plan or is there a plan to discuss the issue after the election.  There's a pretty big difference and we at least deserve to know what a future possible presidents preferred policies would be.

Wow, only Hillary and the rest of her Republican co-workers could flip-flop this much.

Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards '08
Oh give it a rest.  Hillary said she supported what Spitzer was trying to do considering the fact that we have no real immigration reform policy in place.  Get over it.
Hillary 2008
She is so pathetic - I am beyond words

  Obama doesn't have what it takes and am SICK of the Bushs' and the Clintons'.   What do they think this is a dynasty.

  Whoever you vote for make your vote for the country.   America needs secure borders, end of NAFTA,
good education for american children, a decent infrastructure.  END OF WAR. A country we and the world can respect again.   JOBS FOR AMERICANS.  
Has John Kerry called her a flipflopper yet? He should.
Well, this IS the Millenium for implants, isn't it?
Folks, this is simple. Except for the criminal employers and the politicians who are being bribed by them and the democrats who want their votes even if they're here illegally, nobody supports these invaders. Do you want your country back? Then say NO to amnesty and open borders.
A conversation between 42 and the presumptive 44 after watching Tom Tancredo's "convincing" add.
Hillaryous: Bill, do I alienate the latino voters or..or...or?
Bill: You can always switch back when I...you are the President.
Looks like poor Hillary is being attacked by "the boys" again.  If Hillary can't answer a question then how is she going to ruin, er run this country?
No comment on Obama's 8 years of missing records?

come on... talk about barak's endless hypocrisy..

he's 'lost' his letters from lobbyists.
LMAO
That's a great response from the Obama camp!  

Clintont's new position, that she does NOT support the plan, she says "As President, I will not support drivers' licenses for undocumented people and will press for comprehensive immigration reform that deals with all of the issues around illegal immigration including border security and fixing our broken system."

I just timed her response: 9 seconds.  Earlier, she tried to say this was something not easily explained in 30 seconds.

Is it not easy to explain?  Or is it just not easy to pick a side until the winds change?
First Read,

You should have shared the Nashua Telegraph editorial interview too. I am sure you want to highlight the complete information to everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGLP9ESnjM

For my fellow Americans, please watch the interview or order your copy of the Oct 16th Nashua Telegraph.
wonder what her position will be next week.  Or better yet, tomorrow night.  Or maybe she won't know and just flounder around again.
she is just confusing on all issues
She was for it before she was against it before she was on both sides of it before she firmly stated what her pollster told her to say.
Both the responses from the Dodd and Obama campaigns are pretty funny. I'll add this. Clinton says she's not for giving drivers licenses to illegals...

What she didn't say was she favors charging them the same fees the rest of us pay.
In the interview in New Hampshire and also in the debate she said the plan made sense because the federal government had dropped the ball. She did not say she supported it and in fact in the debate said she didn't. She did not flip flop on her position. Today the statement is as clear as it can be.

Does everyone forget that at the debate Obama said he supported it-when will the media go after him and how will he get out of this now?
Why is my attempt to share information with all citizens being blocked?

American Citizens, please watch the debate to get the complete information. Not half cooked media translations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGLP9ESnjM
Further proof that Hilary doesn't want to be President of the United States: she wants to be THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT of, oh yeah, that united states thingy, or whatever...
HA HA HA--the Dems are gonna get slaughtered on this issue in the next election!!!!
Here we go again, HRC on the issues
Did'nt I say this would happen
Mark Murray- don't censor me please! (don't tase me man!)

Most of these, "Red Meat", headlines are like litmus tests for who you support. The cadre of Hillary haters will swarm like ants at a picnic to anything, anything, ANYTHING, that is negative about Hillary.

Immigration is a serious issue that will be prominent in the general election, when most of the attackers here will either be voting republican, heavily sedated, or both.
While many actually DID understand what Clinton said in the debate (She understood what Spitzer was doing, in lieu of a comprehensive FEDERAL immigration policy, and while she didn't necessarily think it was the greatest idea, it represented a step in the direction of documenting the undocumented.), the issue of drivers licenses for illegals will be deader than a doornail, if it isn't all ready, by the beginning of the general election. First read is simply tossing meat into the cage...


Van
(gee, I hope the censors allow me to post this.)
George, illegal immigration has been a problem in North America since 1492.  Ask any of the real "native" americans.  Perhaps we should remember the politics of inlcusion that allowed us to create this great nation rather than giving into the politics of exclusion that will allow us to destroy it.  Fear and hatred are never the real basis for solving problems.
Hey Tuck, you might want to do some research about Obama's record's and his answer on that question to Tim Russert. ALL of his records for the last 8 years are open to the public and alway's have been! The only thing that there is no record's of are his personal schedule's and that's because he kept them himself. They were not done by some government employee to do it for him, so they just weren't kept. The media and everyone else has alway's had access to them so go try to find another argument. Hillary is a joke and her true color's are starting to show. You can only b.s. the public for so long before someone pull's the right string and bring out the real person.
The truth hurt's and no one want's to hear it but at least Obama has the gut's to avoid beating-around-the-bush and tell you like it is. He has shown more honesty and also shown that no matter what the poll say's he stick's to what he believe's is right. Go ahead and hang your hat on that flip-flop machine (Hillary) and when you realize she is no different than any other Bush loyalist you can blame yourself for being an gullable idiot!
It's this naivety of politics and the system of getting anything done in this "democracy" that keeps Americans making the same mistakes in their choice of candidates. Senator Clinton is the only candidate courageous enough to go beyond the boundaries of campaign rhetoric and to tell it like it is. The rest of you...grow up!
Flip flop flip flop
Wow, it's so weird to read comments from people who are confused.  Do you just make up what words mean now?

I challenge anyone to show where Senaotr Clinton has ever said she is for "giving out driver's licenses."
She is for COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM at HER level -- the federal level.

We did not get comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because the GOP called Bush's plan "amnesty."  Therefore, she supports the GOVERNORS in whatever decisions they feel they have to make for the time being at the STATE level.

Why is this so hard?
Has she ever once said she was for "giving out driver's licenses"?
NO! Presidents don't give out driver's licenses.
She has said every time that she supports the governors and whatever decsisions they need to make about undocumented workers in order to address SAFETY issues in their states.

How can you read her own words and then say, "She has said she is in favor of giving out licenses"???
Never.

In favor of:
(1) comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level
(2) whatever governors feel they need to do to address safety issues in their states
Period.

Stop spreading propaganda; become an informed voter instead.
I absolutely love this woman.  She's just like my wife.  I want this, no I want that, no I want this, ah, heck, Honey, I want both.
Wow!! Way to go Hillary!! Good thing the nukes weren't inbound if it takes you a week to figure out what to do.  Our Gal will make a great President, of the sub-division book club.  We are sorry to inform you that we're kind of looking for someone more on the ball for the POTUS position.
You won't get a change in government as long as Democrats and Republicans are in office. Notice how many are registering as Independents. When Don Cordell is elected President, jobs, and American made products will return to our stores, our service persons returned to the USA. No more Foreign Aid, no more imports of anything that can be made in the USA by American workers. All illegal aliens will be deported, and total security on our borders. Anyone crossing the border illegally will be shot, including drug smugglers. Border Guards will not be in jail for shooting smugglers.
The shrew starts to crumple before our eyes. Hillary will implode under the weight of the Clinton Curse. They are both cursed with being without scruples, morals, or honesty. All the time, pushing their ideals from out in far left field. Ideals that the middleclass will pay for, while the special people in the left call the tune. Unfortunately Hillary does not have Bill's shell, she won't be able to handle the pressure. Her team and Bill's BS won't be able to plug all the leaks.
Good bye, good riddance.
To Clinton and her supporters, "whatever is expedient.  The flavor of the day or the soup du jour will do."

To the undecideds, "Clinton is following Spitzer's lead.  Who's running for president, here?  Maybe Spitzer should be the candidate.  These ISSUES of Clinton's integrity are unsettling to you because Clinton is unsettled!"

Clinton and Obama are losers.  How stupid do they think we are?   Fool me once shame on you.  Fool me twice shame on me.  
When Hillary finally declared her support for Spitzer's plan - polling indicated a MAJORITY of New Yorkers opposed it.
But - Hillary had no choice but to stand by her man since she'd directed Hsu to donate $100K to Spitzer and $100K to Cuomo.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/26/hsu_raised_big_money_for_clinton_supporters

I voted for it before i voted against it,LMAO you go Hillary, lets give the White house to the Republicans,
I am a democrat and I agree with Senator Dodd
statement.  Flip-FlopX 4-6.  I think that Ms.
Clinton is setting up the democrates for a fall
1n 2008.  My republican friends are laughing at
me now.  In fact my collague showed me information
on Ms. Clinton in a alleged affair with her
female staffer, Huma.  It is all on the internet.
Democrates you better wake up before it is too late.
Clinton has won.Obama has failled.


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