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Rudy's got Curves

Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:31 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Matthew E. Berger
ROCK RAPIDS, Iowa -- After speaking briefly at a restaurant, Giuliani walked outside and decided to see the neighborhood. So he took a peek next door at a
local business and decided to poke his head in, as he does sometimes on the trail. Apparently, he didn't know that Curves is a gym for women.

He saw one woman in a sweatsuit on an aerobic machine, said hello and quickly walked out to his waiting car.

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Are you kidding me? This is news? Did he fart today, too?
What a missed oportunity for Rudy! I guess he didn't know that Curves's founder is a BIG BIG contributor to anti-choice causes, among other Christian-Right causes. This would have been a great photo-op for Rudy to trot around to "the base": Rudy on a treadmill swappin' anti-choice chitchat with the ladies.
Andrew: When pols go "door to door" they DO NOT check the name of the business.  Anyone who thinks they do, has zero background in politics.   They are just looking for hands to shake, and don't give a hoot about the nature of the business.  

In the USA, businesses are OPEN TO ALL WHO WISH TO ENTER. Do you honestly believe that MALE salespersons are "not allowed" into Curves?  Do you honestly believe that MALE repairmen are "not allowed" to enter Curves?    Do you honestly believe that MALE CITY INSPECTORS are "not allowed" to enter Curves?  What about HUSBANDS WHO ARE CAREGIVERS FOR THEIR HANDICAPPED WIVES? ARE THEY ALSO NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER CURVES?  (I suggest that YOU sign up for a sensitivity course, since your world is so narrow.)

Many businesses cannot be identified unless you back up and stretch your neck; not a good pose for anyone.   WHEN YOUR PRECIOUS HILLARY GOES DOOR TO DOOR, SHE DOES DOES NOT MOVE TOWARD THE GUTTER AND THEN CROOK HER NECK TO EXAMINE THE NAME OF A BUSINESS BEFORE GOING IN!  This is not a story.  In fact, the flags falling on Hillary was a bigger story, and just as stupid.  

I DECIDED HOW TO VOTE NEXT NOVEMBER...."NONE OF THE ABOVE"
Oh, my, god.

No, kidding, actually this isn't a big deal.
Kris and Co., the more you Ron Paulists hijack every show, story, and post to forcibly wedge in a plug for your candidate, the more you ensure his eventual defeat. Don't flatter yourself: Overbearing politicking will  sink you, and conservatives like me who you might've won over with respect and reason...we'll snicker as you plummet.
Woman-only gyms.  In Germany, they got woman-only banks, too.  In Japan, woman-only subway cars.  In Britain, woman-only hotel floors.  We got "ladies' nights" in bars where free drinks or heavy discounts are offered only to "the ladies", woman-only job fairs, and God knows what else.  The only place we as a society do not allow women to go is into the middle of combat zones.  Note there are no National Mall protests by NOW trying to change that.

So if a blacks-only space, or "whites' night" at a bar would be wrong, why are all these "woman-only" places OK?  Answer: they're not.

Think of this: if Rudy were not running for president but instead the current president, technically speakin g he could not go into a Curves gym without prior permission from the manager or owner.  Sort of reminds me of how in S. Africa a black person could have been a local elected representative but was not allowed to use the same bathrooms as the most despicable of any white person who happened to be passing through his district during the apartheid. years.

Segregation is wrong-- sex segregation, race segregation, etc.  It is just wrong.
How is this news?  Why do they insist on turning something as important as the race for the Presidency into something out of Us Weekly?
Once again showing how he is TOTALLY out of touch with what regular people know about.  
Because this is real news?
Dick Morris, former adviser to President Clinton and now mortal enemy of Hillary Clinton, loves to make predictions about election outcomes. Over the course of the year I have been following his columns concerning the Republican primary because his opinions are usually so conclusive and certain you would think he had successfully discovered time travel. To prove he hasn’t made such a discovery, I pieced together a few of his predictions over the year to demonstrate how wrong this guy who thinks he’s always right is.

“Romney, who is panting after their (conservatives) support, is a political duck decoy, distracting onlookers from focusing their gaze on the real conservatives who might run. He can't win. He can't get nominated or even become the consensus candidate of the right wing. He's too Mormon (it shouldn't be an issue, but it is) and flip-flop-flipped from pro-life to pro-choice and back again. These problems, combined with his flip-flops on gay rights and stem cell research, make him incapable of becoming the right-wing candidate to oppose Giuliani.” – March 15, 2007

And today…

“Even as he continues to hold a convincing lead in the national race, Rudy Giuliani may be riding for a big fall in Iowa and the other early state primaries. Mitt Romney, despite his anemic national showing, could sweep Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan, a trifecta that could give him such momentum as to sweep him to the nomination.

The numbers are scary for Giuliani (and since Mitt doesn't have a prayer in hell of beating Hillary in a general election, scary for us all). While he holds a lead in the national polls (Giuliani 30, Thompson 17, McCain 15, Romney 12, Huckabee 9 -- all data is from the average of the past five polls posted on www.realclearpolitics.com), he is trailing badly in all the early states.

…But if Romney wins in Iowa, he will certainly win in New Hampshire -- where he already leads -- and in Michigan, where his father was governor and he has been working hard. Coming into Florida with that kind of momentum will make it very hard for Giuliani to come back.” -November 14, 2007 – The Hill

What is so humorous about this transition from Dick saying Romney doesn’t have a chance against Giuliani to him being in position to win, is that now Dick is certain ( I’m assuming that is what he meant by saying “Mitt doesn't have a prayer in hell”) Romney can’t win the general election against Hillary. Maybe Dick would be better served betting on the impossible.

Dick assumes Giuliani should win against Romney as long as he runs a traditional aggressive advertising campaign much the same way Romney is. This just isn’t he case. Giuliani himself is his campaign’s liability, not his campaign strategy. Dick said:

“Rudy has brought this crisis on himself by foolishly running no television ads in any of the early primary or caucus states while Romney has advertised for six to eight months. In a classic hare-versus-tortoise scenario, Giuliani waited so long to show his colors on television that Romney may have built up an insurmountable lead in the interim.”

Dick mistakenly assumes that it is in Giuliani’s best interest for the public to learn more about him. This just isn’t the case. Everybody already knows who Giuliani is. People know him as the New York mayor who made some good stump speeches following 9/11. What they generally don't know is that he's been divorced multiple times, lived with two gay friends, and fought for political funding for abortions.

Now everyone is starting to find out about his corrupt bedfellows such as the recently indicted Bernard Kerik, who Giuliani recommended to the Bush administration to lead the Department of Homeland Security. If Giuliani runs too many adds, or attracts too much attention to himself through other means, the negative issues will spread in the news like chickenpox in a preschool. Unfortunately for him, it looks like it is already happening.

Conversely, the Romney campaign has demonstrated a powerful correlation between advertising and an increase in support. His ads have been extremely successful in the early primary states, and there’s no evidence to suggest this won’t work throughout the rest of the country. While some believe the “Mormon” issue is the 5-ton elephant in the room, it hasn’t been impossible to overcome thus far, especially as evidenced by Romney’s drastically improved numbers in South Carolina. It will be interesting to see how this issue plays out as the campaign spreads west.

One thing is clear – Romney benefits by putting himself in the public spotlight whereas Rudy does not. There has been some dispute among Romney’s campaign advisers concerning whether they should start showing negative ads about Giuliani because the mud might come back their way. For now, with the Kerik and Regan/News Corp. headlines, Romney has no need to get his own hands muddy.
This is pretty much of a non-story, but Steve Turner's comment about one woman not being enough for Giuliani was pretty good.
Why is this a story?  Walking into a gay-bar by accident and accidentally grabbing a guy's arse thinking it was a gurl...now THAT is a story.  This? Sorry. Not a story.  Man did not bite dog here.  Sorry.
I love Mayor Guiliani, and have the utmost respect for him.  He is a class act, and will be our next President, hopefully. God Bless President Bush.
Hillary should be the one walking into Curves, not Rudy.
Curves is actually a pretty appropriate place for Rudy... lately he's been pretty much curving to the right...
How is this News????
I walked into the wrong bathroom once.  That was more newsworthy than this story.
Is this even a news story???
gary heavin ceo and founder, a male, supports pro life causes.
This is typical NBC "news"What crap!!

He probably thought it was a strip club.....
Well that settles it for me. No way this guy is qualified to be president
Only one woman in the gym. Where can I invest in Curves. How does berger knows that Rudy doesn't "apparently" know anything. I also question how many women wear sweatsuits. Apparantly berger doesn't know what women wear. Such brilliance!
All four of you - bite me.
Too bad it wasn't Bill Clinton.  Now he would have REALLY given you something to write about.  (not that you actually would).

Well at least we can be grateful that you're not off somewhere pretending to be a surgeon instead of where you are pretending to do the news.

Am I supposed to believe NBC?  
Kind of like Poppy not knowing what a scanner was in 1992. Worked out well for him.
Maybe Rudy just forgot his sweatsuit.
Non news story hits the candidates, Rudy upset, calls out the police to invade news organizations offices, kills many! Would we cry, no, get on the bus, this is crap journalism. Please please please stop this kind of non news.
Hey Rick bennet, communism is dead the liberals are into socialism don't you know! Libs better than bomb throwing spitters who slobber on themselves, wipe your chin or get a bib. You hate us, we get it, what points do you have to offer, none! I consider myself a moderate, but I would defend liberalism over nativist ignorance anyday.
Curves is a republican busines along with applebees---rudy knew that


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