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Tonight's debate: Fight night in Vegas

Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:18 AM by Domenico Montanaro

The Las Vegas Journal-Review previews tonight’s Democratic debate: “It's fight night in Las Vegas. The jabs will fly. The contenders will duck and weave. They hope they land their punches and don't leave with too many bruises.”

The Washington Post says the debate “will provide a rare moment in the spotlight for Nevada, a state that entered the election cycle expecting to enjoy a boost in stature but has struggled to draw attention from both presidential candidates and potential caucus-goers.”

The New York Times: “Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton heads into tonight’s Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas with an opportunity: to try to erase the unflattering image that her chief rivals, and her own mistakes, have helped create. Yesterday, in an attempt to neutralize one possible threat at the debate, her campaign announced that Mrs. Clinton would not support driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants as president. It is the latest formulation of her position, which has shifted since it became a tripping point in the last televised debate on Oct. 30.” 

“Her advisers say they hope the matter will now be off the table, but Mrs. Clinton’s top rivals made clear that they would continue to press the argument they have been making in recent weeks, that she is inconsistent  \and overly political." The Time adds that Edwards has also given "somewhat conflicting statements," something Clinton spokesperson Jay Carson enjoyed pointing out now that his candidate finally had a clear position: "The differences on this are clear: Senator Clinton is opposed to giving driver’s licenses to undocumented people, Senator Obama is for it, and no one knows where Edwards is."

The Las Vegas Sun looks at the pool of undecided Democrats who will get to ask questions in the second half of the debate. “About 100 Nevadans will be sitting in the audience at Cox Pavilion, primed to inject state and Western issues during the second hour of the debate. They will be selected by staff at CNN, which is carrying the debate. And whom the network will tap has been something of a mystery. Advocacy groups, including AARP, the ONE anti-poverty campaign and the Culinary Union, say CNN staff asked them to recommend members of their organizations.”

The LA Times uses tonight’s debate as a backdrop to check in on how seriously the candidates on both sides are taking the state's Jan. 19 caucuses. "No one has offered a threshold for the caucuses' success or failure, but both parties have recently been downplaying their expectations. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters this week that he still believed 100,000 Democrats would show up for the caucuses, holding to an estimate that most Democrats here have dropped.”

Speaking of debates, just about all of the candidates have accepted the Des Moines Register debate invites for December 12 and 13. The debates will be at 1:00 pm in the afternoon on both days.

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“About 100 Nevadans will be sitting in the audience at Cox Pavilion, primed to inject state and Western issues during the second hour of the debate. They will be selected by staff at CNN, which is carrying the debate.

I'll make a serious wager (no pun intended) and bet that the Clinton's got the list and the people that were picked by the unions are probably is session learning how to ask the question, not make any facial gestures and how to sit down after asking the question to Hillary.

With the damage that Harry Reid has done to his party, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to bus in people from all over just to hit that 100,000 democrat number he so shamelessly predicted.
i'm looking foward to see the candidates responses to pakistan situation. biden can now take the obama thunder on being correct as he was the only one saw it coming. while i agree there are domestic issues to be discussed the main focus should be war in iraq and terrorists as these invade any conversation on domestic relief with the 2.4 tril over 10 years and the trickle [actually flood] down effect on us economy. while i anticipate a trifecta win in 08 for denos in house,senate, and presidency the crux of the presidency is a leader who can direct us out of iraq 10 year debt and provide some stability in exit strategy. that's biden for me. he's the best internationally and with congress in control by demos domestic issues will be hammered out in conference. any candidates position on any of these eill not be final solution as congress hammers out compromises. foreign policy and war is domain of president as demonstrated by bush. we need biden as this is his domain and even the other candidates agree with his iraq position. get him in top tier and the race is now over for gop'
the running joke with much of the voters is that regardless the outcome, Hillary will be the winner.  Someone told me she was running late to one debate and the people in the audience were joking that she doesn't need to even show up to be declared wonderful!
Let's see what new glowing descriptions can be used for Hillary tonight, even if she is not there.   lol.
I have to wonder about the soundness of advice that Senator Clinton has been getting recently.  Why would she (at last) make a definitive statement about the driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants a day before the debate?  She has brought the whole issue of not answering clearing until she can see which way the wind blows right back to center stage.  Also, her statement yesterday gives the moderators a perfect excuse(as if they needed another one) to bring the issue up tonight again. She was still trying to tone down the "plant story" and now she will have to deal with the "license" story again as well.

This doesn't look like the professional team that she had when she started her campaign.  Has somthing changed--or, does something NEED to change?

Of course, if her team gets rattled under pressure, it is better to discover that now rather then later.
'Tonight's debate: Fight night in Vegas'

why didn't you list the credits for tonights debate, here I will,

 'Tonight's debate: Fight night in Vegas'
         'A MARK PENN PRODUCTION'

 
Gravel kucinich paul nader perot carter [conyers?rangel?] united for truth elicit fear smear blacklist.

Honesty compassion intelligence guts.

No more extortion blackmail bribery division.

Divided we fall.
while i care that the demo candidate for president mirrors my opinion on domestic issues the actual decision on those issues rests with the congress and its committees. the pres. rarely submits a budget or sends down a bill the isn't hammered out and changed by congress, including the budget and taxes. when you choose a pres. cand. his greatest influence and control is in foreign affairs, ie iraq war. of the demos running biden's the champ in this arena. the rest are lightweights with no accepted concise proposal on iraq, no anticipation for pakistan situation, both which biden has. he's at 3% and yet even by the references of his competitors["i agree with joe"] is the best at this. you need to remember with a trifecta win[house,senate, & pres.] the demo agenda will pass in 08' but the international affairs require a pro, that's biden hands down.quit focusing on the "time" for a minority candidate to be selected and vote for the strongest candidate for president, not congress.
I'm very disappointed in First Read's continuing to report that the Clinton team has talked to and threatened Wolf Blitzer for tonight's debate.  Wolf himself has said there is no truth to that story yet you continue in a sneaky way to keep it going.  I'm very disappointed.  This sounds like Timmy Russert and Chrissie Matthews wannabe style.
Why hasn't the issue of Obama's non-existent papers been posted? 8 years in the illinois state congress and Obama has no records?

sure....ahem, come on boys!
“About 100 Nevadans will be sitting in the audience at Cox Pavilion,"

Many, if not all, hand picked by the Clinton campaign team.
I'm very disappointed in First Read's continuing to report that the Clinton team has talked to and threatened Wolf Blitzer for tonight's debate.  Wolf himself has said there is no truth to that story yet you continue in a sneaky way to keep it going.  I'm very disappointed.  This sounds like Timmy Russert and Chrissie Matthews wannabe style.

SP, MO (Sent Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:21 AM)


Considering that someone on Hillary's team threatened to shoot Russert (Mark Penn was at the meeting), one has to believe that they would "have a chat" with Wolf.

After all, Drudge told the truth about Bill and monica, so he must know something......
I can't wait to see what new, clever slight Biden has for Giuliani, or perhaps he will focus on another republican, Mitt Romney perhaps?

I've got one for the democrats ...  They often mention how they have such a qualified, unusually bright field of candidates.  Let me try to sum it up, because I see a Crook, a Kook, a Policy Wonk and Bill Richardson.
The presumed focus on labor and Hispanic issues will dampen the impact of the debate nationally. But all will be watching to see if a battered Hillary will stumble again. Will she flip-flop on licenses for illegals yet again to placate the Hispanic Dems?

http://www.political-buzz.com/
Clinton's new Mantra:
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
She can only hope!
Politics as usual will rue the day unless Barak and Edwards have their say.
Republicans are fractured, yet they will all unite if Hillary wins the primary.  Hillary has now become our Nader.  Instead of sucking away votes from the Dems like Nader, she will push away votes that could have gone to  the Dems.  Nader voters were egotistical in their cause and did not see the folly in their voting pattern in 2000 and Gore could have won.  Now we are going to see Mitt, Rudy, or whoever take office and again we are going to be left wondering why we voted for someone we may personally like, but who adversely offends independents.  I will, from here on out, call her Hillary Nader.
I'll give Hillary Clinton's campaign the benefit of the doubt that they haven't talked to Wolff directly to influence his questions.  That doesn't change the fact that her campaign does have a binder of "suggested" questions for her supporters to ask some of which include:
"Do you attribute your early success in the democratic nomination to your policies or experience as a candidate" (or Bill Clinton).
"How have you accomplished so many legislative feats in such a short time?"
"There are a lot of successful women/female role models in the world today.  You're a certainly a powerful woman.  Is it hard to be a role model for so many young girls?"
or
"Why are you the only candidate who doesn't hate cute, fluffy animals?"

Since the debate is in Vegas, I want to know which candidate will bring the most hookers to hold political signs.  My money's on Hillary, not because I think that she'll pay people to make herself appear popular, but because of Bill.

If one of the candidates has to go topless, lets all just hope it's not Dodd.

Just to be sure, Area 51's in Nevada right?  Somebody get Kucinich.
--That reminds me, the question I would really like to see asked is Bill Clinton was President.  Does she know whether there is a government cover-up of ET life?  Not whether there is or not there is ET life (that's classified), just if she is aware since she was First Lady.

Edwards needs more money to continue his campaign past Iowa if he loses.  We will find him doubling down donations on the blackjack table?

At least Obama can forge an opinion on issues such as immigration.  The only question left is whether he will support illegals by wearing a Mexican flag pin on his lapel or by handing out drivers licenses with a copy of his book, "The Audacity of Hope" before the debate.

We’ve learned that both Obama and Biden were tested for AIDs from an earlier debate (hopefully they didn’t get it from each other).  Anyway, given the Biden is a democrat and he’s in Vegas, I’m just wondering what the STD of choice might be tonight.

Does anybody know whether Bill Richardson’s lips will be closer to the microphone tonight or Hillary Clinton’s caboose?

The real reason Gravel won’t appear at the debate tonight.  He was picked up by police drunk, scruffy and hungover since the MSNBC debate of which he was excluded after he tossed a large stone into the Bellagio Fountain to watch the ripples.

All-in-all, it should be one hell of a show.  I even heard a rumor that CNN was going to involve a white tiger in this one.
Frick, I made the Gravel joke too ambiguous and confusing.  Poor writing of which I am all-too-often guilty of.

*The real reason Gravel won’t appear at the debate tonight.  Drunk, scruffy and hungover since the MSNBC debate of which he was excluded, Gravel was picked up by police after he tossed a large stone into the Bellagio Fountain to watch the ripples.
Will Guckert-Gannon be planted in the audience tonight or is he just George Bushs plant?
What is Senator Clinton's weight/height? She looks like an onion on top of a pumplikn! Needs to lose the pants suit.
jerry.....wasnt it Jesse Helms who (from the floor of the US Senate no less) threatened to shoot Bill Clinton when he was President?
American Voter

If she loses the pantsuit(and I agree it wouldn't be a bad idea) in a matter of minutes someone will be accusing her of playing the gender card by trying to dress in a more femine way. Betcha!
I wonder if anyone will point out Hillary's LaRaza co chair connection? Or the Chinese money ties and how it looks like the Chinese government is supporting her election. Remember the Buddist Monks , sworn to poverty...how much did Bill get? And then there is the IRAN vote... With democrat's like these who needs socialism?  


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