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Viva Las Vegas: After the debate

Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM by Mark Murray

Following the debate, the Democratic presidential hopefuls rallied 2,200 Nevada Democrats at the Clark County Jefferson Jackson dinner, NBC’s Christina Jamison reports. The headline: Clinton spent her time going after Republicans, while Obama spent his time going after her. Obama, in fact, used a good portion of his allotted seven minutes taking thinly veiled shots at Clinton, repeating much of what he said last weekend at the Iowa J-J dinner. "It is not enough to just run the old textbook Washington campaign" and "telling the American people what we think they want to hear instead of what they need to hear just won't do. Poll testing our positions because we're afraid of what Mitt or Rudy might say about us just won't do." He went on to say America needs the Democrats to be "a party that doesn't just focus on how to win, but why we should; a party that doesn't just offer changes of slogan, but offers real and meaningful change."

Clinton -- despite answering a question at the debate over how she planned to bring the country together -- used her time to attack Republicans, saying: "We're gonna draw a stark distinction with the Republicans" and "we have to undo the damage of the Bush years, but then we have to have a positive agenda." She also energized the crowd, tapping several times into her "Turn up the Heat.” Edwards, meanwhile, stuck close to his traditional stump speech and refrained from attacking Clinton and Obama.

The Clinton supporters easily doubled those of the nearest rival, Obama’s. On a lighter note, Sens. Dodd and Biden must be sharing speechwriters...  Both joked that they got seven minutes to speak, which, they said, was more than CNN gave them. Unfortunately for Biden, he spoke right after Dodd.

But as NBC's Lauren Appelbaum notes, Biden's critique didn't make sense, since he received a robust 10-plus minutes of time, on par with Edwards.

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As usual, Hillary flip-flops on the issue. What a  waste. If she's elected, it'll be same-old, same-old politics as usual.
Clinton won.
Edwards was awful
Obama looked out of place
Richardson was great
Biden was good until the time whiine.
The definitive moment of the debate was when Obama took down Clinton on Social Security; her claim that the richest 6% of the population are middle class was detached and potentially toxic for a Democratic Primary audience, as was her dismisal of human rights in favor of security (they're the same thing, only Obama got this one right; security means protection from threat of violence to live freely, and that's what human rights are).  What looked like a minor win for Obama last night turned into a definitive victory over Clinton at that point.

This is one of the most ridiculous debates I have ever seen in the last 7 months. CNN organization should be ashamed of itself. Please bring back credible Journalist that can ask the tough questions.

We don’t need moderator that is pessimist about America’s future. We don’t need another Clinton’s plant in the audience. Clinton’s supporters are the most rude in the history of debate. They Boo when candidate challenge her on the issues. She is the phoniest person I have ever seen.

Thank God there are other media outlets not named Clinton Network News
joe biden was the winner hands down, experience experience, Hillary has none compared to him. What i dont understand is why the blacks vote for hillary, what have the clintons done for them except show up at their church.
I'm one of those that think a democratic victory is tatamount next fall. With that said, I'm confused and hope someone can help me clarify. I keep hearing that many will vote for Hillary because she is the most electable. I feel entirely the opposite. Nobody brings out the Republican ire and push to the voting machines than Hillary. I'm in the business world and outnumbered by Republican peers and I have never seen such angst for a candidate as she brings out in the right. If you want a poster child for the Republican get out the vote campaign, then all we Dems have to do is nominate her. Yet many Dems think she's the most electable. Frankly, I think it's the only way we could lose given their record the last eight years. I welcome anyones comments.
Mark Fischman, Buffalo, NY
I am glad to see that someone else isn't getting the same reading about Senator Clinton that the polls seem to indicate.  I come from a very small town in Illinois, and I have not heard one person say that they liker her, let alone vote for her.  In fact the "anybody but Hillary" sentiment is the most prevalent remark when the campaign is mentioned. Frankly, I think lots of people from small towns feel that way--I'm not saying that is right, but I believe it is a fact. So, either her strength is coming from the large cities or her strength is being overblown. I really don't want to see another 4 years of Republican rule and I worry that if Senator Clinton is the Democratic nominee, we could very well be inaugarating President Giuliani.

Richardson's "civil rights or national security"  position is in play at the moment.

Bush's position is that we should not assert the Armenian Genocide because of national

security issues on the Kurdish border with Iraq while Pelosi and the Democrats want to

assert that the Armenian Genocide happened and must be asserted as a matter of

principle and perhaps sanctions. So which is it ? Richardson's position is not as "softball" as has been stated.


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