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'Joe is right'

Posted: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:43 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
It's a trend we've noticed at the debates, that many of the Democratic candidates -- sometimes more than once a debate -- will say, "Joe is right" or they agree with him on one stance or another (usually foreign policy.)

The Biden campaign tries to capitalize on it with an improved version of an earlier "Joe is Right" video. This one is set to music: "You've got a friend in me" and includes text on the screen: "Not so much parsing, but certainly piling on." (References to videos from the Edwards and Clinton camps, respectively.) Then, there's a montage of the candidates agreeing with Biden.

"Sounds like they agree," appears on screen. "Joe is Right. Find out why: JoeBiden.com."

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Joe Biden gave concise answers (in his 8 minutes of air time), that clearly showed his experience, knowledge and leadership qualities that stand head and shoulders above any candidate (Dem or Rep). If you don't particularly like Joe for whatever reason, or you're backing another candidate, that's fine and that's your call, BUT, Joe has more experience, knowledge, and respect (from both sides of the aisle), than any candidate running. With the Armageddon going on in the Middle East and South Asia, we need someone sitting in oval office who can mend this broken world and bring back the credibility that the USA has lost. Without question, for me, no one comes as close as Joe Biden to get the job done.

I pray and hope every day that Mr. & Mrs. America, the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina know in their hearts, that if we lose Joe Biden, we'll have lost one of the best Presidents our nation will ever have.

Please watch a video I produced to show my support for Senator Biden. If you support him, please send the link below to family and friends, and ask them to do the same.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OtGCaqOdIJ4
We could do a lot worse than Joe Biden, and I'm sure we will.
was joe right when he voted for the war, or how he keeps funding it now? I like Biden better then Obama, but they both are fakes
Joe is right.  Everyone's saying it.  It's undeniable.  He really is the best candidate in the race in either party.  The other candidates know it, as evidenced by this video.  The audiences of the debate, both live and at home, realize it.  It's amazing how he proves himself to be cut out for the job of being president and being our nominee, going toe-to-toe with clowns like Giuliani and Romney, with but a fraction of the speaking time Hillary and Obama get, usually less than any of the other candidates including Kucinich (though last night he thankfully got a bit more than Kucinich and Dodd and almost as much as Edwards).
LJ - "fake"?  I have never heard Joe described as fake.  You may not agree on his funding the war but how does that make him fake?

"Senator Biden submitted a politically unpopular vote in June in order to ensure the immediate production and shipment of mine resistant vehicles to Iraq (reducing troop casualties and losses up to 70%). He said that some things were worth losing elections over, i.e., when it came down to it, saving the lives of our troops was worth losing his party's nomination."

That is the opposite of fake.  Disagree with him but don't mischaracterize him.  

BIDEN/OBAMA '08
Today, Tomorrow, Together.

www.joebiden.com
Dear LJ,

I hate this war with a passion, and I have good reason.  My husband, father to our four children is in Iraq for his second 15 month tour.  He will come home this time a different person than he was when he left, just like he did when he came home the first time.  I'll have to get to know him all over again.  So will our kids...God bless and protect Joe Biden for voting to fund the troops.  He understands that if he does not, they will be the ones who suffer.  I want this war over just as badly as you obviously do, but I want my husband as safe as possible while he is fulfilling his oath.  Biden has made sure that our troops are given more Mine Resistant vehicles, when Bush and Co. didn't want to.  Biden has fought for our troops harder than darn near anyone else.  He knows more about foreign policy than any of the other candidates, and I believe that he is the best chance the Democratic party has to not only win this election, but restore the dignity and credibility of the Office of the President in the United States and around the world.

Please, we don't need a media anointed candidate, we need Joe Biden.
I read somewhere last nite that the candidates should all just hold up signs that say "Joe is Right" and they wouldn't even have to have a debate :)
It is sad that most of the debates focus on a few leading candidates.  We need to see the answers from many of the candidates.  I don't like it that MSNBC and CNN have focused on the leaders in the race.  I would never place front runners next to one another; seperate them so the lesser know candidates get some face time.  

It is also shameful that in the last two Democratic debates that Mike Gravel was not invited.  He hasn't offically quit; therefore include him despite the fact that he won't be able to win.  I mean he was good very a getting a laugh or off color comment.  You don't see the Republicans leaving off Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo from the group despite the fact that neither one has a real good chance of winning.  
I'm always impressed with Biden.  I like Obama and even I have to admit, if it was about experience only Richardson could compete with him- but add self-assurance, and Biden's your man hands down.  He seems to have some support among those politically savvy Iowans- perhaps he could come in a strong 4th, or if he's the second choice of some of those caucusgoers out there, shock the world and get into the top 3... wishful thinking, but I'm hoping to see it happen.  His Iraq partitioning is an option I'd hate to have to see us do, but I admire his coming up w/ what seems like a possibly workable plan.
And Biden's right:  everybody on the stage gives him credit for what he says and has done, but it's not translating to support in the polls... gotta be frustrating.
Joe has always made a lot of sense in what he has had to say during these debates and his answers are educating; not like watching puppets -- or asbestos go up in flames (I did wish, but it didn't happen).
Joe Biden is very knowledgeable on foreign policy and speaks honestly and openly and it appears that he has worked across the aisle on many things through the years -- I wish more of the candidates would be honest in their talking points.  
The one thing that I wish I could see in the debates also is a clear sticking to the time given.  If the moderator states the candidate has 30 seconds, then there should be a cut of after 40 seconds at most.  These candidate need to learn that they can't go on and on.  

I guess I would be too tough on the candidates by having a set of switches that would turn off both the microphone and light over them if they fail to stick within the time given, go back to a previous topic or when they fail to answer the question even remotely (as in if it requires a "yes" or "no" that should be the answer with about 20 seconds of explanation at most).  How hard is it for the moderators to agree to do something like this?  Chris Matthews, I am sorry, isn't a good moderator.  I saw the very first Republican debate, and he was far too sloppy.  
yes joe voted for funding the war and said why. basically he refused to use the lives of troops stuck in iraq as a political pawn and bravo! i served in the last unpopular war, nam.,and i don't care who you support the troops stuck there need the best and safest vehicles to defend against ieds and that was joe's position. if you don't like the message of the war vote demo but you don't sacrifice the messanger our troops to make political gain. i supported opposition to the war in nam when i served and considered it patriotic and i support opposition to iraq but not at the cost of the loss of one person serving for lack of funds for necessary protection. i don't know if you served lj but try that criticism out when you do on the front lines.
Biden is the only candidate that can bring together both parties and lead our nation out of the messs we are in.  please consider Joe Biden.
"We could do a lot worse than Joe Biden, and I'm sure we will."

Finally something Lee in Ca and I agree on.
Cedric - A strong fourth?  Biden has the potential to do a lot better than that.  We've still got over a month and a half to go, and it seems to me that the tide is turning somewhat.  As I said in an earlier post, Biden appears to be the adult - while the others are bickering amongst themselves, he quietly waits for his turn to speak, says what he has to say and shuts up.  I respect that about him.
What's problematic for Biden is that while some of us hear him and understand him, most people tune him out after a sentence or two because of the short attention span 99% of this country has. Instant gratification is the name of the game. Biden has the answers. If he could come up with a way to give them in 30 seconds or less, he'd ahve a chance. It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the bottom line.
Cedric, Charlotte

I have wondered for weeks now why Senator Biden was gainging any ground in the polls.  He does well in all the debates.  I am beginning to wonder if the other candidates are devoting more time to the campaign than he is--I would be interest to see a breakdown of how many days he is present in the Senate viz a viz Senators Clinton and Obama.
Folks, he would be a good President. Probably should have ran in '04 instead of running against Hillary INC.
This is why there was NEVER a foriegn policy or IRAQ debate like Joe requested. This was a great idea and the media actually picked up on it for a while back in April/May '07. But the debate would simply consist of the candidates deferring to Biden.

I've read a lot of blogs where I've heard that many people (who support a candidate other then Joe) would love him in the VP or SoS position, due to his unparralled foriegn policy experience and respected competent leadership in the Senate. It's as if no-one questions his qualifications, which leads to the question that Joe Biden has asked: "why would you elect a president who isn't qualified to take the SoS position?"
Why would one choose someone who will have to take time (on the job training) to understand the world and the other world leaders? <---good question.
To be honest, his domestic agenda (developed after many years in the senate) outshines many of the other candidates as well.
We need political journalists to dive into this a little more because I just don't understand why his substantive answers aren't being covered as much. But, thanks for the post.
Joe was right about asking Rumsfeld to resign.  Joe was right in saying there will be no Congressional vote to go to war with Iran, and he was right that if Bush does take us there he should be impeached.

Joe was right about funding the MRAVPs to help save the lives of the troops that are still in Iraq, and Joe was right in saying we need to get out of Iraq now.

Joe was right about Pakistan.  Joe was right about China.

Joe was right about voting to close Guantanamo Bay and he was right about nuclear power not being the mainstay for our future.

Joe was right in his speech to the National Press Club September 10, 2001 - yes, the day before 9/11 - that we need to beef up security, and quickly.

Sen. Joe Biden needs to be the Democratic nominee and he needs to be elected to the presidency in 2008.
Biden supporters:

Yes, money is definitely needed.  What also is need is exactly what all of us have done - comments!

MSNBC and First Read keep track of the "hits" that particular candidates get.  The more times we read and comment translates into coverage (at least on the MSNBC political site).  It is the basic economics of supply and demand - if we demand they will supply.

Keep being vocal.  It may seem like a pipe dream to some to have Biden as the nominee but that can't stop us.  David Yepsen - the Iowa pollster - has said that he believes Biden will do much better in Iowa than people think.  

"Big nations can't bluff." --Joe Biden at the New Hampshire debate.

BIDEN/OBAMA '08
Today, Tomorrow, Together.
Poor Joe, this ad proves that he would be a great advisor to any President, certainly not the message he wants.  The problem is that I like too many on both the democrat and republican side--though I dislike much more than I like--but I only get one vote.  I think that we should go back to the 3/5 compromise where everybody gets 3/5 of a vote and I get 1 billion votes.

Lee in CA:  You are absolutely correct.
joe biden is without a doubt the best person for the job. i was going to write more but the first sentence sums it all up.
I am switching my vote from Obama to Biden. Biden will be better leader.
Mike K, you said that "What's problematic for Biden is that while some of us hear him and understand him, most people tune him out after a sentence or two because of the short attention span 99% of this country has".  I agree that most people have a short attention span, but could that be all that's keeping Biden down?  If long-winded answers were his undoing, then Obama should have 0% of the poll numbers.

I don't know why he's not doing better in the polls.  I'm beginning to think that people are too distracted (or stupid) to see past the fact that there's a woman and an African American running for president, and they don't consider which candidate is the BEST.  
Mary FT Campbell Kentucky----I agree with you..My grandson was just deployed to Iraq from Fort Campbell.He too,has a wife and small child.Our family is praying for all of those that have given their all,while so many just stand on the sidelines.Please accept my prayers that your husband will once again return home.-----And yes Joe Biden would make a great president
Jason:

I think someone touched on something earlier that might be partially responsible.  It doesn't seem like Biden is spending as much time on the campaign trail as Hillary, Edwards and Obama.  I'm not faulting him for this - I don't think campaigning should be a full-time job for nearly 2 years prior to the election.  
carrie-

I hope Joe does better than 4th.  You're out there and you know better than I do- is he high on people's second choice list?  If these boards are any indication, Biden's got a lot more support that what's showing up in polls... i'd love to see him pull a Kerry and rock this entire boat. The caucus system sets up well for such a surprise.

Joe shuts up because he's just not a b.s.er... I like that about him.  He figures if he can't get it out in 30 secs, it don't need to be said, I suppose.
I agree that most people have a short attention span, but could that be all that's keeping Biden down?  If long-winded answers were his undoing, then Obama should have 0% of the poll numbers.

Some lazy people get excited by fluffy hope talks over substance. Biden's answers may be long sometimes but its full of substance. Lazy people dont like to hear substance. They love Obama's hope preaching and welfare systems.

Go Biden!
Lee in CA, well said indeed. What an unfortunate state of affairs for our country when the best candidate goes essentially unheeded except when the rest of the candidates parrot his knowledge and experience.

As for "LJ" - you must be an idiot if you seriously are bashing Biden for voting for the war funding resolution. It's one thing to be anti-war and to want to bring the Iraq campaign to an immediate conclusion, but to suggest that Biden should have held up the provision of MRAP vehicles and other troop equipment when there was NO CHANCE that the bill would pass with a firm withdrawal deadline is asinine and irresponsible. Don't be such a mindless lemming. It's time for you and others of your ilk to stop and smell the political realities in Washington. A firm deadline bill will not pass. We don't have enough votes. So try using your head for once and understand that YOU DON'T KILL TROOPS TO MAKE POLITICAL STATEMENTS. The fact that Joe was willing to vote the way he did despite the rabid (and vociferous) base in our Party simply proves that he is THE candidate for president.

Get a clue.
I agree that Joe Biden is, hands down, the best candidate for president in either party.  His experience and knowledge outshines all the other candidates in every debate--give a fraction of the time.

With all the instability in this world, we need a president who is capable of hitting the ground running, who won't need on the job training.  And that person is Senator Joe Biden.  

Please take some time, if you haven't already, to take a look at Sen. Biden and his stance on the issues.  I am fairly confident you'll like what you see.
This stuff is all about momemntum. People are tired of the top 3 Democratic candidates. None of them will get elected in the general election and don't have what it takes to lead this country through the tough times ahead. Joe Biden is. He can and will win the general election. Hillary has been known around the world since '92 and can't garner more poll points than the 20's and 30's. SHE PAYS FOR THESE. There is an inherent bias in polls. Right now its about celebrity status. Joe Biden is the most qualified without a doubt. He is ready from day one to deal with Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Al Quaeda, the economy, healthcare, etc. He has detailed plans with budgest for all of them. Its great to have ideas but they won't work without budgets. Joe Biden will exceed expectations in Iowa and end up winning the nomination because of his momemntum. Obama and Edwards won't be in the race that long and it will be Biden vs. Hillary. Joe Biden will be our next President, mark my words.
www.joebiden.com
www.planforiraq.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhPG7mk8yQ

Joe is right. Joe is honest. Joe is experienced. Joe is courageous. Joe is a uniter.

Joe Biden has had my support from the very start and will continue to have my support - all the way to the White House!!!!  JOE BIDEN '08  
Joe Biden has had my support from the start and will continue to have my support - all the way to the White House!!!  JOE BIDEN '08
Joe always seems to do well from my vantage point.  The man has real experience that he can actually relate, not the fictitious "35 years" that Hillary keeps alluding to.  I hope the polls are wrong and Joe does a lot better than they're indicating.
CNN's handling of the Las Vegas debate was pathetic.  They were not interested in providing the American people with a clear understanding of where ALL of the candidates stand on issues (check who got the most minutes), they were interested in ratings so played on the who's against who game to the hilt rather than drawing out the candidates on their positions. Wolf Blitzer was disgustingly condescending. His behavior demeans the process and the office of the presidency.  As Joe Biden says - I'm running to be the leader of the "free world".  ACT LIKE IT.  Treat the issues seriously - not as political soap opera. It so amazing that the immediate commentary after the debate was how the first 12 minutes were fireworks and then it shifted.  Weren't any of those commentator clowns paying attention??? It shifted after Joe Biden's first response changed the whole tenor of the air - go back and watch it.  He came across as the senior statesman he is while all the rest including Hillary were looking like a bunch of sqaubling grade school kids.  It was obvious who the serious candidate is - ready to be president from day one.  This is no time in history for OJT at the white house or relying on "experienced advisors". Can anyone say "George Bush".  As far as Joe for Sec of State, doesn't anyone remember what happened to Colin Powell?? The SoS doesn't make policy and chart the course, the president (or in George's case the VP) does.  Why would Joe who is the most knowledgable and prepared to be president be the best for SoS?  The SoS follows orders.  Joe is the one who needs to GIVE the orders because he knows what needs to be done, how the geopolitic works, etc. Obama on foreign policy. Get real. This is not the time for ideas and intellectualizing.  It is time for ACTION.  JOE BIDEN IS CLEARLY THE MOST PREPARED AND READY TO LEAD THIS NATION OF ANYONE RUNNING FROM EITHER SIDE.  Go Joe! God love him!!!
JDS NY, NY

Thanks for your creative genius!
was joe right when he voted for the war, or how he keeps funding it now? I like Biden better then Obama, but they both are fakes

LJ

There is absolutely nothing fake about Joe Biden. Agree with or disagree, but calling him fake is a joke.  I want nothing more than for this war to end, but Joe Biden included an ear mark in May's war supplemental that included immediate funding for MRAP vehicles, which has already saved lives. We have a moral obligation to keep our troops save while they are in harms way, even if they should not be there. What's the alternative? Defunding the war won't bring them home one day sooner, because there is enough money in the pipeline to keep them there until Bush is out of office.
wishful thinking, but I'm hoping to see it happen.  His Iraq partitioning is an option I'd hate to have to see us do, but I admire his coming up w/ what seems like a possibly workable plan.

Cedric, Charlotte

Cedric, It isn't wishful thinking. He can, and will surprise people.
I don't know why he's not doing better in the polls.  I'm beginning to think that people are too distracted (or stupid) to see past the fact that there's a woman and an African American running for president, and they don't consider which candidate is the BEST.  

Jason, Madison WI

Because the polls are name ID polls, especially Iowa caucus polling. Iowa caucus polling has NEVER been accurate all polling in 2003 was wrong, and the only poll that got the order of Iowa caucus victory right was the 1/17/04 "Iowa Poll", 2 days before the caucus. And yet Kerry received 44% more support in the caucus than in the poll, Edwards recieved 38% more support in the caucus than he did in  the 1/17 poll, and Gephardt received 41% less support than he received in the 1/17 poll, only Dean's caucus total was within the margin of error of his support in the 1/17/04 poll.

The polls don't reflect true support in Iowa, and it all comes down to Iowa. Which is a lot of pressure, but I have faith in the caucus goers of Iowa.
Jason:

I think someone touched on something earlier that might be partially responsible.  It doesn't seem like Biden is spending as much time on the campaign trail as Hillary, Edwards and Obama.  I'm not faulting him for this - I don't think campaigning should be a full-time job for nearly 2 years prior to the election.  

Carrie, Eastern Iowa

Actually that probably isn't true, you can go to the Des Moines Register and track the time candidates spend in Iowa, and Joe's right up there, and probably now ahead of Hillary.

The reason it may not seem he is here often is because the newspaper writes a story anytime Hillary is in the state, or pretty much on a daily basis, but they only report on Joe when he's within 30 miles of the paper.  I've seen him once this month and will see him again twice this coming week.

  I have been a democrat since I first voted for JFK.
This is the ONLY Democrat I will vote for.  If he doesn't get the nomination.   I will have to rethink all of my possiblities.   I still remember how to split a ballot.

This country needs an end to the War, Our troops need to come home.  We need to concentrate on healing our country.  We need repair to our infrastructure.  We need to end NAFTA, We need to hold businesses reponsible for enticing illegals to this country.  We need to send illegals home force them to enter the country the legal way if they truly want to become americans. Do not reward anyone for breaking the law.
We need to bring jobs back to america.  We need to quit pandering to big corporations.  WE NEED OUR COUNTRY BACK.


Good news!  Real Clear Politics has added Biden to their survey questionairre.  Finally.
We can only hope the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina listen to Joe Biden and vote for him.  
He is ready to lead the nation now and I believe is the only one that can reach out and get the Republicans to join in on moving legislation.
I came to respect Senator Biden even more this spring when he said on one of the morning shows that even if it cost him the election, he was voting to fund the troops so that they could have the life-saving armored vehicles that were desperately needed.
We need the Iowans that support Joe Biden to get their local media to cover him like they do the others.
I doubt anyone questions Joe on foreign affairs knowledge.  

What he lacks is domestic creds.  What's his economic plan?  What's his health insurance plan?  What's his stand on outsourcing of jobs or the gigantic illegal aliens problem?

If they're anything like his solution to teacher pay...that pay should be based on post graduate levels...he would make a great SoS but not Prez.

Does he have any idea how teachers, especially inner city teachers, would pay for those degrees or how much time it would take to get them?  Besides, our state already rewards (demands in some cases) post graduate work.

Not a good basis for solving our worst schools problems.

So all you supporters, show me why I should vote for Joe when my country is facing so many huge domestic problems?  Why should I not insist he be used in the one area where he shines...foreign policy which is SoS not Prez?
Sara, Thanks for the inside info on the polls and caucus reality. It is really hard to stay upbeat about Joe's chances when the polls in Iowa don't show much movement.  Yeah, I know what happened in '04 and I'm clinging to that for hope that Joe is going to pull a Kerry.  WE NEED JOE badly.  He was so head and shoulders above the rest of the pack with his answers and simple "stage presence". I am just astounded that none of the commentary brings that out.  I am so sick of the Obama/Hillary dribble I could just spit! On the other hand, the longer they behave like squabbling politicians, the more obvious Joe's statue and fitness to lead will become to everyone. You know, after hearing Hillary on this video say over and over, "Joe's absolutely right", it would seem the next logical thing to say would be, let's just nominate him by acclamation get on with victory in '08 and restoration in January '09.
Joe is so clearly the best prepared to be President.  None of the top 3 have the depth of international experience that Joe has.  Also, his passion is second to none.  I am so sick of the news media concentrating on the top 3.  Here are my reasons in brief why they won't ( or shoudn't) win:
Clinton:  Too much baggage - high negatives because there is a large segment who hate all things Clinton,
and also she has not had the kind of international experience needed at this time.
Obama:  Too inexperienced
Edwards: Not enough of the international experience needed now, and not enough 'gravitas'.
Love them all, but Joe is head and shoulders above them.



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