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Oh-eight (R): Enter the 'Nature Boy'

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:14 AM by Mark Murray
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The New York Times’ Zeleny on where the GOP candidates will be on Thanksgiving Day: “McCain … will travel to Iraq, his seventh trip since the war began… Huckabee … is scheduled to spend the day with his family in Little Rock, and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts will be at home with his family in Belmont, Mass. Rudolph W. Giuliani will return to New York, where he and his wife, Judith, will hold a breakfast for the families of emergency workers who died on Sept. 11.” 

The Los Angeles Times looks at the health-care proposals of the leading GOP candidates. "If the arguments against the Democratic presidential candidates' healthcare plans include higher taxes and greater government involvement, then the Achilles' heel of the GOP plans is their dependence on the private market, which often rejects applicants with health problems."

GIULIANI: Newsday notes that Giuliani's 9/11 resume took two hits yesterday. The first was when 9/11 Commission co-chair Tom Kean endorsed McCain. The second was the press conference 9/11 families held in New Hampshire. "The firefighters and families held a town hall meeting at Dartmouth University in New Hampshire, where they accused the former mayor of failing to prepare for the attacks and bungling the response."

The Concord Monitor adds, "They said they are frustrated that outside New York City, Giuliani is best known for his actions in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. And although they believe Giuliani made grave errors leading up to Sept. 11, 2001, it is his use of the attacks to bolster his national security credentials that made them want to "set the record straight."

The New York Daily News’ take on Kean backing McCain: “Kean stiffs Rudy to back McCain.”

Former Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar (R) is expected to endorse Giuliani.

Yesterday, Giuliani was in Texas, where he pushed his plan for a virtual fence. “Giuliani added that while a physical fence is needed in some places, most of the border should be policed with high-tech monitoring. He toured the border Monday along the southernmost tip of Texas with state and local officials. ‘And frankly, the virtual fence is more valuable because it alerts you to people approaching the border, it alerts you to people coming over the border,’ Giuliani said, the Rio Grande in the background.”

So who could be the go-to Democrat in the Senate for a President Giuliani? Apparently Chuck Schumer. Newsday notes the tight relationship the two have enjoyed over the years. "They do have basic differences personally and politically: Schumer is a traditional Democrat and Giuliani a free-market Republican. But they also have similar hawkish views on crime, terrorism and protecting Israel, and lenient views on abortion, gay rights and gun control -- positions out of step with the base and ideologues of their parties."

HUCKABEE: First Chuck Norris. Now it’s Ric Flair, the wrestler colloquially known as “The Nature Boy.” Flair will host Huckabee at a tailgate before the USC-Clemson game at Williams Brice Stadium on Saturday.

National Review's Jonah Goldberg compares the longshot bids of Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee and concludes, "I would still find him less scary than Mike Huckabee… What's troubling about The Man From Hope 2.0 is what he represents. Huckabee represents compassionate conservatism on steroids. A devout social conservative on issues such as abortion, school prayer, homosexuality and evolution, Huckabee is a populist on economics, a fad-follower on the environment and an all-around do-gooder who believes that the biblical obligation to do ‘good works’ extends to using government -- and your tax dollars -- to bring us closer to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.”

MCCAIN: So how does a poll like this from Arizona fit into the McCain comeback stories that many in the media want to write? Giuliani edged ahead of McCain in a poll of Arizona Republicans. In a word, ouch.

The New York Times examines why McCain isn’t faring as well in Iowa as he does in New Hampshire. “Mr. McCain blames his problems in Iowa on illegal immigration. ‘It wasn’t our financial problems that caused our drop in the polls,’ he said… ‘It was immigration.’ … But the truth is, Mr. McCain had problems in this state well before the immigration fight began. In 2000, the last time he ran for the presidency, he skipped the caucuses here. At the time he said he did not have enough money to compete in both states. But then, as now, Republicans suspected that Mr. McCain simply felt more comfortable in New Hampshire, where Republicans are less conservative.”

PAUL: The New York Times notes the tight-fisted-ness of the Paul campaign, which has spent less than $.50 of every dollar raised so far.

ROMNEY: So Iowa's popular GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley isn't endorsing, but he decided to handicap the caucuses yesterday and declared that Romney will in and Huckabee will finish second. Is this his way of endorsing someone else, by raising the expectations? “‘Why? Romney's got a state-to-state plan to do well in Iowa, he has money, and Huckabee relates very much to Iowans,’ Grassley said. ‘Giuliani because he's waking up and realizes he needs to place third to go anywhere.’”

The Boston Globe examines the charitable contributions the Romneys made to conservative groups over the last year which are now paying dividends. "Romney's charitable foundation gave $253,833 to groups helping the needy and to organizations influential in Republican circles last year, while he was laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign, according to tax records.”

The Boston Phoenix makes a fascinating point about the Mormon debate. "But the real question is why another candidate hasn’t stepped forward to defend Romney against the religious bigotry he’s facing – not with an offhand comment or two – but with a major Mormon speech of his own.  True, doing so might seem like a risky political maneuver, since it would aid a fellow contender. But it’s the right thing to do — and could even help the campaign of the candidate who rises to Romney’s defense… But none of the other candidates have these excuses — which makes one wonder exactly what kind of people we have seeking the nation’s highest office this year. As potential leaders of the nation, don’t they think religious prejudice is something they ought to confront, especially since the issues of religion and politics are currently so intertwined?"

The Boston Herald reports on the Romney campaign denial that their own pollster, Alex Gage, was somehow behind the negative Mormon message testing that's been referred to in the media as a "push poll."  Of course, it appears the Mormon questions were part of an extensive research project and not simply a battery of negative phone calls.

THOMPSON: The Boston Globe is unimpressed with Thompson after his 4% showing in the latest CNN/WMUR New Hampshire poll. “Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee have leapfrogged Thompson, who is now in sixth in the Granite State with just 4 percent support, down from 13 percent in September when he entered the race. While there was quite a bit of initial buzz Thompson, the actor and former US senator from Tennessee, he thus far has failed to impress voters in New Hampshire and elsewhere.”

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Moderators: this post appeared yesterday on the obama/clinton experience thread

And 8 plus years of giving sloppy second blow jobs is sexperience for POTUS? Other than fellating her philandering husband during the 90's what other experience has she gleaned from being married to a president? It is unbelievable that so many Democrats have yet to see just how much this lady is hated... hated even by those in her own party.
Jimmy Chicago Il. (Sent Monday, November 19, 2007 2:48 PM)


DO you consider this acceptable? If someone posted that Obama was the N- word , would you post it?
Can we say that Obama bends his half black butt up for corporate lobbyists (state only of course)

Why are sexual comments on Clinton allowed to be posted ____ there were a few last week too?

Do you see the problem?


Please address this issue
It will depend on how much people are willing to pay for health insurance as well.  If the democrat plan taxes people out of their homes, not many will sign up and there will be a backlash against the liberals.

On the other hand, private market should help people get the best price.  If there is more competition, then prices should go down.  One bad side of it is that a lot of doctor's that are not doing business with certain types of health insurance due to either not being paid or the paperwork becoming cumbersome.

Maybe between the two parties something can be worked out, but that won't be in my lifetime.
Rudy just can't stop himself from playing the 911 card can he? I can't remember now but who was the tough talking mayor of NYC for the 7 years before 911...he couldn't stop the attack, that was bush's failure, but rudy didn't do doody to prepare NYC for the inevitable...what a failure he is
1. Would Julie be having this breakfast if he WASN'T running for Prez?  I kinda doubt it...
2.) The Repugs are the LAST people to bitch about enormous Big Gummint spending and intrusive Big Gummint involvement in people's lives.  Given te choice between a Big Gummint that'll take care of me when I'm sick and a Big Gummint that'll spy on me, (and Big Gummint is irreversable anymore), I'll take the one that takes care of me when I'm sick, thanks.
3.) I wonder if any of those First Responders from the town meeting would like to show up at Julie's little Thanksgiving Breakfast, hmmm?
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sorry, just came to mind.......

Will the Four Horsemen be there at the tailgate?
Rudolph W. Giuliani will return to New York, where he and his wife, Judith, will hold a breakfast for the families of emergency workers who died on Sept. 11.”  
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However, what First REad didn't report is that none of the family members will attend because they all hate Rudy!  
Notice one sentence issued to Ron Paul. This is so obvious. What the heck? Maybe it's because the newspapers aren't reporting on this guy, why? I ask WHY? Can the media please answer? Bet this falls on deaf ears.

PS as far as Guilliani goes.....The City workers hate him... and when will the media report this.. never.
National health care should be on top of the list of needs for the U.S.I wonder if the 9-11 workers that had to go to Cuba for their health care will attend Rudy and queenies breakfast?SICKO should be required viewing for everyone in this country.I get goose bumps when Hannity smears Michael Moore----you can tell he can hardly keep from stroking out.
Why are sexual comments on Clinton allowed to be posted ____ there were a few last week too?


Part of the official record.....

Haven't heard of Edwards or Obama acting like a sex fiend lately.....
National health care should be on top of the list of needs for the U.S.I wonder if the 9-11 workers that had to go to Cuba for their health care will attend Rudy and queenies breakfast?SICKO should be required viewing for everyone in this country.I get goose bumps when Hannity smears Michael Moore----you can tell he can hardly keep from stroking out.
Rudy (9/11) Guiliani (9/11) is (9/11) having (9/11) breakfast (9/11) with (9/11) the (9/11) families (9/11) who  (9/11) lost (9/11) someone (9/11) on  (9/11) 9/11. Later (9/11) he (9/11) will (9/11) enjoy (9/11) a (9/11) speacial (9/11) place (/11) in (9/11) hell. (9/11).
Class Warrior- Go liberal (ie. socialist) and you get both "Big Gummint" health care AND "Big Gummint" spying. The only thing you'll really be disappointed in is the effectiveness of the health care.
Freedom Fighter, there are no socialists of any prominence within American society.  Even Sarkozy, who American conservatives drool over, is more socialist than any prominent Democrat.  Is anyone talking about centralized planning, nationalization of production, or anything of the sort?  As far as effectiveness of health care, most of us are already disappointed.  Why are you so excited about having the 37th best health care in the world?
John B.- No socialists in America? Hah! Hillary Clinton proclaimed herself one not long ago by calling herself a "Progressive," which, if you spend a little time researching is a synonym for SOCIALIST.

Get a clue.
Republican is a synonym for nazi facist.What do you think you get when you use a word like socialism as a derogotory remark,may your kids pay for thier own school and quit using my money and may your parents pay thier own way along with your grandparents so long social security.Why dont you protect your self instead of me paying  police to protect your assets your are a worthless citizen of the united states not willing to share the load not willing to defend,you know what pay for the bridges and roads you use ,atoll on everything.  
Freedom Fighter - is anyone who doesn't have his nose up the @ss of the most corrupt, lazy and rather stupid fascist tool to ever "stain" the Oval Office synonymous with "socialist"?
"nazi fascist". That didn't take long. Way to raise the level of discourse kenn.

HMT-MI, perhaps you should go to Cuba and try to take advantage of their healthcare system. Just be sure not to criticize their government while you're their. You'll see what a real dictatorship is like.

Really, folks, the "socialist-fascist" argument is schoolyard stuff.

No wonder there are only a bunch of stiffs running for president--look at the quality of the electorate.
Freedom Fighter, I'll back kenn 100% and add that you might have at least some idea what the heck you're talking about if you'd bother to get your information anyplace besides Michael Savage.  True socialists are about as relevant to American politics as the Bull Moose Party.
Anyone interested in what Huckabee is really like face to face should try this funny (but it actually happened) column:
http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/02/title_14
Ah, the eloquence of the underinformed.
Freedom Fighter, you must be referring to yourself since you've yet to actually state an informed opinion with evidence to back it.  Automatic gain-saying of everything the other person says is only an argument in a Monte Python skit.  Name calling is only debate on the schoolyard.  If you want to debate something prove there's something in your head besides Rush Limbaugh's opinions.
Just a history lesson .  The democrats started the KLU KLUX KLAN,don't believe me,pull your head out of your ars and look it up,Our history is scary and we need to study it so we don't repete it...We the people have the power to learn but only if we want too.
John B.- I'm not your Poli-Sci teacher. If you don't believe me and what I say, that's fine. But if you research what the Socialist party stands for and what H.C. stands for, you will find out for yourself that what I said is true. Perhaps you're the one who is assuming too much. BTW, I'm not male, I'm an Independent, and I think for myself. Just goes to show how much assuming is being done.

Respond if you like, but I'm done here.
Catharine Harris said today on the Randi Rhodes show that" there would never be a Black Man or Woman elected President on her watch". In fact when one of the few callers asked about a black being elected president of the United States she told him two times, that's twice" to bite his tongue". Let me admit that I have never heard her speak more words then " I'm in charge" so hearing her speak kind of set me back. I know she’s from the South but not the deep south. She must have been drunk or loaded. Hell just calling the Randi Rhodes show is hard to believe. She said that she was with Mike Huckabee, former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan and the producers of the Fox TV show 24. I wondered if fat boy Limpball was with them.Does anyone know if this was a stunt or did we accidentally discover just how phony this woman is.
Great write up on Ron Paul!  I think you went a little overboard with all the attention you pay him though.  Next article try to make his section a little less lengthy, or at least about the size of the other candidates.  It's fine news orginizations like yourself that show us, the average American, all the issues, and a fair and unbias view of the candidates.  

(Still voting for Ron)
GO RON GO!

Great write up on Ron Paul!  I think you went a little overboard with all the attention you pay him though.  Next article try to make his section a little less lengthy, or at least about the size of the other candidates.  It's fine news orginizations like yourself that show us, the average American, all the issues, and a fair and unbias view of the candidates.  

(Still voting for Ron)
GO RON GO!



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