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Obama's education rollout

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:38 AM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/National Journal’s Aswini Anburajan
Obama unveiled an ambitious $18 billion plan to expand public education from
pre-school through 12th grade while at Central High School in Manchester, New Hampshire this morning.

Calling education "the currency of the Information Age," Obama stressed the need for expanding public programs to help American competitiveness with other nations. He said that a child in Boston now needs the training to compete with the kids getting an equal or better education in Bangalore or Beijing.

"In this kind of economy, countries who out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow,” Obama said. “Already, China is graduating eight times as many engineers as we are. By 12th grade, our children score lower on math and science tests than most other kids in the world."

Obama criticized No Child Left Behind, saying that educating America's children shouldn't involve teaching them how to "fill in bubbles." He also used the unpopular education bill to take a dig at the records of both Clinton and Edwards.

"It's pretty popular to bash No Child Left Behind on the campaign trail,” Obama said, “but when it was being debated four years ago, my colleague Dick Durbin offered everyone a chance to vote so the law couldn't be enforced until it was fully funded. Senator Edwards and Senator Clinton passed on that chance, and I believe it was a serious mistake.”

Obama's education plan calls for: (1) full funding for educational programs from birth to 5 years old; (2) increasing the number of teachers through scholarships and incentive grants for taking challenging assignments; (3) prioritizing math and science education; and (4) focusing on parental responsibility in education.

The focus of Obama's education policy is on birth to 5, years Obama said were pivotal in children's development. The investment he added would be paid back to society 10-fold. His plan sets the goal for universal pre-school, but does not provide require parents to enroll their kids in it. 

"And for every dollar we invest in early childhood education,” Obama said, “we get $10 back in reduced welfare rolls, lower healthcare costs and less crime.”

He cited his record in the Illinois Senate, where he said that he started the Early Learning Council, to point to how early education programs could be successfully implemented.

In order to address the current teacher shortage, Obama said that he would create a national teacher service corps, which would provide $25,000 scholarships to encourage undergraduates to become teachers. He also called for "professionalizing" teaching, creating a career ladder that would allow teachers to pass national assessment tests and reward teachers who perform well.  

Aides to the senator, however, quickly disputed that this is “merit pay,” which they say simply ties compensation to how students perform on a standardized test. Obama has in the past called for performance-based pay -- most notably while at the National Education Association’s annual conference.

The Obama plan, though, does provide a "differentiated compensation system," which would reward teachers for undergoing additional training, for demonstrated learning gains by students, and for showing expertise and leadership. It would also allow teachers to take a role in deciding how to design their compensation at the local level.

Policy aides also disagreed with the idea that this plan was a significant expansion of the role of federal government in public education, saying the investment was in line with the current role that federal government plays in enhancing and supporting states' roles in providing public education. Instead, they pointed to Obama's call for parental involvement in education as a sign of his commitment that education must rely on partnership between parents and public educators.

Though Obama called for a renewed investment in math and science education, his plan would actually pull money from the federal government's greatest investments and achievements in math and science. Obama would delay funding for the NASA Constellation program for five years, though he would maintain the $500 million in funding the program would receive for its manufacturing and technology base, in order to help fund his education policy. The campaign did not say how much money delaying the program would provide. 

The plan would also be paid for through the auctioning off of surplus public land, closing the CEO pay deductibility loophole, reduce costs of standardized procurement and through the some of the money that would be saved by ending the war in Iraq. 

This is the third significant domestic policy Obama has unveiled in the past two weeks. Earlier this month, under the umbrella of a middle-class agenda, Obama unveiled tax-savings plans, day care and child care credits and the expansion of the Family and Medical Leave Act. In Iowa yesterday, Obama touted his commitment to community colleges and called for grants to expand their reach.

*** UPDATE *** The Edwards campaign responds: "In the days before Thanksgiving, we are grateful for the existence of actual facts. In his rush to criticize others, Senator Obama left out the inconvenient fact that he supported No Child Left Behind as an Illinois state senator before he opposed it as a presidential candidate. It's not 'a new kind of politics' to try to have it both ways. When John Edwards is president, he will make sure that every school in America has the resources it needs to give its students a world-class education."

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This has been going on for years.  The more money the government throws at education the worse it gets.  When will they ever learn?  The best thing that could happen is to abolish the Dept of Ed and for the Feds to butt out.
Big...new...lofty...idea, Obama on education.  No one every thought of that.  So impressive.  Hillary had the education ideas way way back when you were a little guy in that Muslim school.

You are just so impressive, Professor Holier than thou.


This is what I called leadership. Obama seems to be the only candidate that gets it. Education is the bead rock of every nation.

If you are still undecided you had better jump in before the train lives you behind.

Obama all the way; his ad was even impeccable.

Check it out.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/chancesad
We all know Clinton will mirror Obama's policy once it has been tested in the polls. Real leadership required boldness and principle.

Since Hillary won the endorsement of Teachers' union I have not seen her roll out any education plan. She is waiting for Obama to submit his plan and then plagiarize it by changing one or two languages.

How can she pass the honesty and leadership test when all she does was to wait for public opinion polls?
There are too many "local yocals" around for me to endorse the local approach. We need to find a happy medium. I think Obama's plan sounds promising.
The more specific information I hear from Senator Obama, the more I like what he has to say!!

Pssssst - I've got a secret to tell you......Obama '08
A liberal throwing more money down the crap hole we call public education.
This has been going on for years.  The more money the government throws at education the worse it gets.  When will they ever learn?  The best thing that could happen is to abolish the Dept of Ed and for the Feds to butt out.
Buddy, Houston (Sent Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:55 AM)

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Yeah great idea. Then we can all walk around sounding like a bunch of slack jawed yokels from Kansas or Texas, questioning Darwinism and promoting Creationism. "Whattay'all mean the earth is round?"
you go!  No more philosophers, the literate, or thinkers.  Engineers!  Computer Geeks!  Yeah!!
Just because our country was founded by philosophers and thinkers who framed a very interesting constitution (one of those old fashioned things like the Geneva Conventions), let's have more computer freaks and engineers!
I prefer to take my chances, spending the $ on education, rather than the deadend "craphole" of Iraq.
How much of an investment return will we see in Iraq?
Obama is right!  There, I said it...but I know that Hillary agrees on the education thing because its a hallmark of the Democratic Party.  The republicans can't grasp the problem of oursourcing our education to China because they're happy with it.  How sad...
you people are so dumb obama the one way ticket to a nothing show. china and engineers he forgot to tell you what type of engineers 18 million for education and cut taxs for retired people my ass. vote McCain people wake up.
Are you serious?  I don't care how much you dislike the candidate- it seems utterly ridiculous to sit here and say funding the education system is a bad idea - Helping our children be competetive with the rest of the world in math and science is a bad idea - Encouraging teachers to go above and beyond - and rewarding those that do is a bad idea- Asking parents to take an active role in the education of their children is a bad idea

I mean- come on- disliking the guy is one thing- but if you're going to attack his preposed policies- at least let it make sense.  No matter how you slice it, better education of our children makes for a better America- today and tomorrow.
Disgusted with Obama, Missouri... I just wanted to say that you're a hater. You sound jealous or something. Just thought I'd let you know. Oh and that little "Muslim School" crack that you and so many people on these blogs make and spelling his name Osama sounds stupid and it let's smart people know what you're really about.
Another great -policy outline- by Obama.  Nevertheless, tomorrow, expect Clinton supporters to repeat the same tired line that "all Obama does is attack and never talks about his OWN ideas!  I don't know what he wants to DO!"
Promoting math and science education is critical in our age. Yes, a liberal arts education has a place in creating good citizens, but the Founding Fathers lived in an era when those receiving such an education were often able to live as an idle class. Today's wealthy are people of business and trade - professions that require extensive math and science. Only with sufficient education in those subjects can a person join a social class with sufficient leisure to study philosophy and the arts.
I am still waiting for what Senator Clinton is going to say about education....

And what side of the fence she will be on......

And how many days she will hold that position......

And how many positions she can have.......

And the question form the "plant" at the next debate..
No matter how you slice it, better education of our children makes for a better America- today and tomorrow.
kmnecole, st louis, mo
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Absolutely. Education should be a top priority for the next administration. Some of our school systems are in dire need of help; not sure if the states can solve the problems without some additional Federal help.  
You know, being from an affluent neighborhood that's 98% Republican, I think my neighbors would thumbs-down this whole education thingy.  They’d much rather use their giant tax cuts to give cash to their Corvette-driving kids to spend on blow.  They also get their dain-bramaged kids to stomp my Vote Democrat sign to a pulp in my front yard every election.  But I keep putting them up…
I have been a huge supporter of Obama since he was a senator in Illinois and have seen him as a voice of reason and change that this country is in desperate need for. He actually has started to get me to believe change can happen here...

That said, this plan crushes everything I thought I was believing in. How can you say you support education and understand the U.S. is falling behind in math and science and then delay funding to NASA's Constellation Program, which, at a fraction of NASA's 0.6% of the federal budget, is one of the country's biggest assests for inspiring kids to pursue math and science and regain America's position as a world leader in technology and human achievement? PLEASE Barack, find the money elsewhere!
This has been going on for years.  The more money the government throws at education the worse it gets.  When will they ever learn?  The best thing that could happen is to abolish the Dept of Ed and for the Feds to butt out.
Buddy, Houston (Sent Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:55 AM)


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The person on top has never been in a classroom to "teach".  I am a teacher, WE NEED MONEY!  To fund our schools, buy supplies, buy technology, and keep the good teachers in the classroom so we can get rid of the not so good ones.  Unless you teach, or you have spent several hours helping in a classroom, don’t you dare tell me that “Money” won’t solve anything.  Obama is the only candidate who seems to understand the educational crisis that this country is in.  I think you need to read a little about what you are talking about before you sound off.  There will be a quiz later so make sure you study.    
I find it so funny that the American people will continually hurt themselves by criticizing public policy plans that are designed to benefit them, while   passively allowing programs that only benefit the unimaginably rich.  Do we some how think our high credit card bills are lifting us into that catagory of wealth?

Day cares are very expensive and often poorly staffed. Many families require full-time day care from 6 weeks old to 12 years for their children.  I don't understand what we lose by offering more support to   those children to improve the quality of program they are receiving during those years.  

Uneducated children turn into uneducated adults.
Why is it that "throwing money" at anything except war is a bad idea?  Wake up, people.  Conservatives are trying to destroy the public education system that did more than anything else to make us the envy of the world.
Sairen:

I didn't study math or science.  I became a lawyer, a profession that does not require extensive math or science but that does, in fact, have quite a few wealthy people laying claim to it.  

Math and science are great, but they are not the only path to success.
##### News Alert #### There will be some dirt, comming out about Obama shortly. Please stay tuned. We now return you to your boring blog.
This is what I called leadership. Obama seems to be the only candidate that gets it. Education is the bead rock of every nation.

If you are still undecided you had better jump in before the train lives you behind.

Bee (Sent Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:03 PM)

Bee,

I thought Obama preaching to be a uniter, how come he become a divider by letting the train leave?

Got caught in your world of hatred which Obama created in your mind and heart?:-)
I'm waiting for one of the candidates to come up with the absolute necessity that the U.S. stops trying to be the world's cops.  Some of the things that are pressed upon other countries by global authorities are great.  The only problem arises, when the U.S. decides that IT is THE global authority.  I am an American, because I live in North America, but I also live in the country called Canada.  My mother was born in Boston, and I trace my lineage there to John Adams.  One of my sister's daughters is married into the Custer family in Michigan.  (Yes, that Custer family)  These little items make me "feel" like an American (from the U.S.) and, with my daughter and grand-daughters living in Atlanta.....!  But, please....do some introspection.  Get involved in upgrading your own country, before ALL the infrastructure collapses.
To Dillom in MN
    Learn to read or get glasses.  I did not spell Obama's name as you did...Osama.  Re-read...I spelled it Obama.
    I will never vote for a pious fraud like Barack...oops did I give his first name some Muslim spelling as you suggested.
    You think I think Obama is inexperienced...just wait to see what the Republicans do to him.
    I'm a realist.  I want a Democratic president...OBAMA can not win in '08 no matter how lofty speeches get.
   
Only problem with plans like this is 90% of it will never see the light of day. This is what candidates do they unveil massive complicated plans so they have something to talk about on the campaign trail even though none of it is ever going to happen.
Oh, wow, this sounds great!  Cut money to programs which create tech sector jobs so that we can push more childeren to prepare themselves for such jobs.  That job market sureley isn't overcrowded enough yet! With enough excess workers maybe those poor under-represented coorporations won't be forced to actually pay people to work for them anymore.

BTW what is this surplus public land he intends to sell?  Are we talking national forrests?  Public Parks?  Let's sell those to the developers, we have too many trees in this world! And who needs a park?  It's better for kids to sit on a couch playing video games and getting fat.  Otherwise they might fall off of a swing or be abducted or something.

Any presidential candidate who realizes that this country is way behind when it comes to edcating our kids in the math & sciences is as good as gold to be our next president. And I think Obama has it right when he says China and India are producing more engineers. There was a time when those engineers used to come to US just because job opportunities were not available in those countres. But with open trade and companies setting up shops in those countries the brightest don't have to leave home looking for a job. They are boosting the infrastructure and technology in their own countries. America is at a loss because we are producing kids who are just good enough to work in McDonalds. Most high schools here have no clue on the type and level of education a high school kid in China or India is getting nowadays. Clinton has the endorsement of the teacher's union. But that endorsement will work against the benefit of this country since she will be more interested in caving in to keeping the teachers happy and not enact any changes. Obama on the other hand understands what is lacking in our education system and is bound to make changes to the system for the long term advantage of our workforce in this country.
Another great idea from Obama. Way to to go Obama!! Bwt, HRC is busy creating copies of the policy, tweaking it so that she can own it - send it to MSM and call it her own! But people are not stupid, they see right through this - come Jan 3rd we shall show the world what it means to be Fired Up and read to Obama!!
Most women get their way no matter how you spell it So vote for Clinton and you get two for the price of one



























ost women get their way no matter how you spell it.
To: "Disgusted with Obama, Missouri"  Perhaps if you had the early childhood education Obama is proposing you would understand the detrimental effects that hate filled bigotry brings, before you exemplify its manifestations so clumsily with your first grade writing skills.
Obama is right!  There, I said it...but I know that Hillary agrees on the education thing because its a hallmark of the Democratic Party.  The republicans can't grasp the problem of oursourcing our education to China because they're happy with it.  How sad...

pat huntington ny (Sent Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM)

You have gained the respect of an Obama supporter (whatever that is worth to you). It is rare on this board to find a person who is willing to say another candidate is right.

It's a good feeling to realize that we are all on the same team. It is an equally worse feeling to realize that the majority of Americans don't get it.



"It is the mark of an educated mind to able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
thought Obama preaching to be a uniter, how come he become a divider by letting the train leave?

Got caught in your world of hatred which Obama created in your mind and heart?:-)

Simon

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It seems your candidate doesn't have anything to offer. You are still welcome if you want to join the train of hopefulness.

Hillary Clinton divisiveness cannot be tolerated. We are not willing to turn up the heat on our independent and Republican friends. Non-George Bush Republicans are decent people but cannot just stand Hillary but can tolerate Obama

Obama all the way


Guys!! wakeup and smell the coffee. Education is the key of life. It's crucial our kids understand the roots of math and sciences through pre-school Obama proposed.This nation future wholly depend on our kids education success.I just madeup my mind to go with Obama,we need a new direction not Bush and Clinton dynasty.Guys!! this guy Obama is different and more especially new fresh young mind of 21st century just like Bill Clinton era of the 90s'.We need someone with better accurate judgement and leadership quality which Obama bring on the table unlike Sen. Clinton who voted for war in Iraq including the current bill that permitts air strike in Iran, it's lunatic,irrational judgement and easily deceived by this Bush administration. Get your fact straight, Obama is the one.
Is it true about the Obama scandal ?
Dear Offensive Person From Missouri:

If Hillary has the lock on the education plan, please tell me why Arkansas ranked 49th in education during her entire tenure as First Lady there?

Sometimes it is important that you speak only when you have something valuable to add to the conversation.
The rich want to destroy public education and access to college, so they can keep a stupid, gullible nation of sheep on its collective knees.  Hence all the years of Republican downsizing of education and bogus "No One But A Rich Chld Goes Forward" bills.  You don't like public education, want only private schools?  Bush was born with a silver spoon up his ass, went to best private schools, drank his way through college on a "Gentleman's C"---and can't speak the English language.  A soft, coddled, stupid product of private education running the country into the ground.  You want lots of engineers and IT types, who spend their spare time on X-boxes and wouldn't know a good government from a bad one if they saw it on YouTube? A populace with a balanced education will be the kind of intelligent electorate the guys who back Bush, don't want you to think Global Warming, evolution or Copernicus are good science, that Jesus solves everything, and your 30% tax bracket to Warren Buffet's 15% is just.  THEY WANT YOU TO BE UNEDUCATED SHEEP!!!  Don't let ANYBODY do that to this country! A fair balance between real science (not "creation science") and real, critical thinking---civics and English and literature and philosophy and ethics are just the thing the Super-rich DON'T want America to return to. Ignorant sheep who first need to get their legs blown off in Iraq for Halliburton's profits in order to even hope to afford college is JUST what the rich guys who realy run things want.  And none of them---Allah(or whatever god-de-jour the theocracy favors at the moment) forbid!---were products of tthe "craphole of public education". you can bet your Enron pension on that!
The rich want to destroy public education and access to college, so they can keep a stupid, gullible nation of sheep on its collective knees.  Hence all the years of Republican downsizing of education and bogus "No One But A Rich Chld Goes Forward" bills.  You don't like public education, want only private schools?  Bush was born with a silver spoon up his ass, went to best private schools, drank his way through college on a "Gentleman's C"---and can't speak the English language.  A soft, coddled, stupid product of private education running the country into the ground.  You want lots of engineers and IT types, who spend their spare time on X-boxes and wouldn't know a good government from a bad one if they saw it on YouTube? A populace with a balanced education will be the kind of intelligent electorate the guys who back Bush, don't want you to think Global Warming, evolution or Copernicus are good science, that Jesus solves everything, and your 30% tax bracket to Warren Buffet's 15% is just.  THEY WANT YOU TO BE UNEDUCATED SHEEP!!!  Don't let ANYBODY do that to this country! A fair balance between real science (not "creation science") and real, critical thinking---civics and English and literature and philosophy and ethics are just the thing the Super-rich DON'T want America to return to. Ignorant sheep who first need to get their legs blown off in Iraq for Halliburton's profits in order to even hope to afford college is JUST what the rich guys who realy run things want.  And none of them---Allah(or whatever god-de-jour the theocracy favors at the moment) forbid!---were products of tthe "craphole of public education". you can bet your Enron pension on that!
"Edwards might now be forced into a, "two-front war", which he has so far avoided, but if  he decides, as some have written, that  Edwards tactics have benefited Obama more than himself, he may have to reconsider his battle plan."
vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:36 AM)

Edwards Campaign’s Response to Obama Education Plan
From Chris Kofinis, communications director for the Edwards campaign:

“In the days before Thanksgiving, we are grateful for the existence of actual facts. In his rush to criticize others, Senator Obama left out the inconvenient fact that he supported No Child Left Behind as an Illinois state senator before he opposed it as a presidential candidate. It’s not ‘a new kind of politics’ to try to have it both ways. When John Edwards is president, he will make sure that every school in America has the resources it needs to give its students a world-class education.”

http://thepage.time.com/edwards-campaign-response-to-obama-education-plan/

I think we are seeing the the first salvo of Edwards two-front war...



Van
(nothing cryptic about it...)
Citizen J:
Re: your post yesterday about a members-only blog where you have to write an essay...it's not QUITE that exclusive but you do have to register and you do have to play nice, i.e. no food fights.  It's www.civildiscourse.com and it is a wonderful haven for intelligent discussions that do not include mention of sloppy seconds.  :)

Hope to see you there.
Carrie, Eastern Iowa - now usually I agree with you, but I have to counter here.  Science and math education is critical.  No one argues that lawyers make money, but frankly, too many intelligent students go to law school and too few go to engineering school and we need more engineers (Katrina? Bridges? Automobile manufacturing?).  The global economy is becoming more competitive and more technologically-driven.  If we do not make the same investments in math and science education our global neighbors are, the US economy will flounder in relation to that of the developing world.  It is hard for Americans to grasp, but the rest of the world is not waiting around for us.  We are losing the best jobs, the best positions in research universities, you name it, to Asian and Eastern European students EVERY DAY.  And it is only getting worse.  I know it hurts, fellow liberals, but learning something about globalization helps to frame these issues in a practical way.  That's what I love most about Senator Obama, his pragmatic approach to the "lofty" ideals he's always accused of promoting.  The man isn't all talk, he understands that the numbers need to be crunched.  And don't even get me STARTED on the performance based pay - it is the ONLY way to improve public education, period.  Oh, and for all of you "cancel public education" forest dwelling Ron Paulians, take a look at the acceptance rates to top science and engineering programs in this country and see how few come from private high schools...if we need to improve science and math, the private model is NOT coming close.  Privatize the post office instead, folks, now that makes some sense!
American children needs an EDUCATION.
Obama is correct. Our childern our most valuable resoruce if we don`t educate them to compete with the rest of this world they are going to get left behind.
The program that we have now have left so many children behind that they can`t see a future for themselves.

Obama is correct math & science are number one in this world with those two grouped with reading our children do stand a chance to compete.
Don`t hate the man for seeing what our childerns future. will need.

OBAMA '08
ASSOLUTELY NOT !
I loved getting your Obama people all riled up.  
You are so easy.  Can't wait so see what the Republicans do to your "boy" in the GE.  

And by the way...First Ladies even in Arkansas do can not change policy or test scores.  Good grief.



I am a Democrat, if Obama wants to gut the human spaceflight program I will NOT vote for him. NASA is already a very thin slice of the federal budget. We need programs like NASA to give all those future scientists and engineers jobs when they graduate and to inspire people to achieve some higher goal. We have outsourced or are outsourcing all the science and engineering jobs in regular industry, do we really want to do that for NASA as well (outsource human spaceflight capability by buying Soyuz flights for 10 years)?

No Buck Rogers = No Vote.
Those who think public education is a waste of money and ineffective and government should leave it alone, here are a few facts for you.

1) Global economy is increasingly becoming knowledge based economy. So his statement like countried that out educate us today will out compete us tomorrow is absoluetly true. More US economy is going away from naufacturing and becoming service based economy, our economic growth and effectiveness of capitalism will depend on education, research, innovation and entreprenureship.

2) By 2050, top 3 economy in the world are China, US and India as 1st, 2nd and 3rd. And that's not by military might of China or US but exploiting a very highly educated workforce in an increasingly global economy. (And education in China and India are not private but government funded mostly and they are developing an army of world class workforce)

3) In next 20 years, 25% of the people in this country will be haspanic, 25% will be black/asian and 50% will be white. You have to agree, a nation can not progress as a whole by leaving 50% of its population behind. If government can not help to level the playing field for kids coming from lower income or tough family background by ensuring early childhood education so that they don't find themselves significantly behind when enrolled in school, how you can develop an worldclass workforce to compete in global economy. As he suggested, every dollar spent in early childhood education gives you $10 back in reduced high school drop out rate, higher graduation rate, reduced unemployment, reduced crime, reduced welfare dependency in future. It makes perfect sense. Spend more to shape kids future early on instead of building new prison and wait for them to find a place in the prison.

All can argue how to implement them more efficiently, how to provide more decision making to local level and what did we learn from past in terms of what works and what does not and incorporate all these in future planning. But on principle, we have to agree with Obama that building a next generation, world class workforce to compete in global economy and bringing children of all background to transform them in to next generation of doctors, scientist, engineers, econmist.....should be at the top of the agenda of this nation now.

Otherwise, the way American people are seeing their job going to elsewhere, you will continue seeing your children's future will face intense competition from better prepared kids in India and China. No one would like to see that happens. So let's stop cheap criticism and support Obama to finally get something done about education in this country.
We need a crappy education system in this country. Where else we going to get more liberals?


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