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Hillary piles on Obama experience

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:55 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones and Domenico Montanaro
SHENANDOAH, IA -- For the second straight day, Clinton has questioned Obama’s experience. Yesterday it was on the economy, today on foreign affairs.

"Now voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next president will face,” Clinton said, calling in to a waiting audience at a fire house here this morning to apologize for missing the event due to her plane being diverted because of foggy weather.

“I think we need a president with more experience than that. Someone the rest of the world knows, looks up to and has confidence in."

The Clinton campaign then adopted the language in a press release e-mailed statement, italicizing the above statement to make sure reporters didn’t miss it.

Ten minutes after the e-mail went out, the Obama campaign responded.

"Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld have spent time in the White House and traveled to many countries as well, but along with Hillary Clinton they led us into the worst foreign policy disaster in a generation and are now giving George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton wrote. “The real choice in this election is between conventional Washington thinking that prizes posture and positioning, or real change that puts judgment and honesty first.”

*** UPDATE *** Clinton questions Obama's foreign policy credentials on camera
From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones and NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum
CRESTON, IA, Nov. 20 -- Clinton again challenged the experience of her chief rival Barack Obama Tuesday afternoon, without mentioning his name. 

"With all due respect, I don't think living in a foreign country between the ages of 6 and 10 is foreign policy experience," she said at the Chicken Inn. "I think having the first hand experience with so many leaders that I have had over the last 15 years equips me to be a President who can start on day one."    

The statement, made after the senator spoke for several minutes about the challenges America faced around the world and her own foreign policy bonafides, was yet another sign that the gloves have come off in the final stretch of the close race leading up to the Iowa caucuses.    

Clinton said dealing with these challenges would take more experience than Obama has.

"It takes an understanding of what to do and then being able to implement a plan. And with all due respect, I don't think living in a foreign country between the ages of 6 and 10 is foreign policy experience," Clinton said, highlighting her own first-hand experience with world leaders as First Lady and afterwards. The senator made similar comments by phone to an audience in Shenandoah who were there to hear her speak. She was forced to reschedule the event due to weather delays.
 
"This campaign is kinda getting heated up now," the New York Senator continued. "We're getting a little more excited and intense. But now, we're leaving you all alone for Thanksgiving, however. So that should be one of the blessings (you count on Thanksgiving)."

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Hillary's experience? Nothing but failures. Time to give someone else a try.
Did Obama really say that his living in another country until he was 10 years old, provide him with foreign affairs experience???

That can't be right.  Not even an idiot would say that.

What does living in DC or New York do to prepare anyone for dealing with the problems of Americans? Oh besides being there first hand to cause all of them.
OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE THE "EXPERIENCE" TO BE PRESIDENT. PERIOD ! hillaryclinton.com
How can one person, "pile on"? That's pretty stupid.

You are really educating the voter with all of the "A bashes B, B slams C, A questions C", type headlines. It heat over light and red meat for all at the MSNBC, "SMACKDOWN '08"...


Van

Van
Imagine if Senator Obama had said:

We need a candidate who has more experience with the constitution than learning about the impeachment process first hand

Ok obama's response was better...you left your chin wide open Hillary
It's curious what living abroad when you were 10-years-old has anything to do with somebody being qualified to be President.  If anything, it may give the person a wealth of experiences that would be an asset, not a hindrance.  Why knock somebody for something that happened when they were a kid, that they had no control over, and has little real impact on a person's experience in foreign policy.  She can make her point (and did) without knocking where he lived as a child.
who is she to play the experience card?

Did she stay in a Holiday Inn Express or something?
I like the response from Obama's camp. She is the most ridiculous politician i have ever seen. If Clinton is running on her experience why can't she open up her records?

Records full of scandals, corruption and sex tapes. Does Hillary want us to remind her about the death of Vince Foster or Monica Lewinsky?

Please give me a break. Hillary does not have a point.
What another great response by the Obama team!!  

BTW...What the hell is this experience that Hillary keeps touting??  I'm tired of this "You know I have been fighting in your corner for 35 years" CRAP!  No, Hillary, I don't know.  Will you please tell me what it is you have accomplished, instead of just saying "you know" what I have done?  

The only "experience" Hillary will utilize is the continuation of 4 more years of partisan warfare and gridlock until she's voted out in 2012.

Come on Democrats!  Let's vote for someone who will lift us above the fray instead of into it.  Someone that everybody will love to re-elect in 2012.  That person is Obama.

Obama/Edwards '08
Tell her to save that crap for the excuse speech she will be giving in front of her hubby's library when she still can't prove what experience she say's she has. If she want's to prove her experience and honesty tell her to release all those document's they have been trying to keep from getting released and let the American people make their own judgement. I don't trust her farther than I could throw her and the American people are starting to see that more every day!
whooo weeee...it's getting ugly out there.
hillary declares / “I think we need a president with more experience than that. Someone the rest of the world knows, looks up to and has confidence in."

looks like hillary thinks edwards should be president also
Just another smooth SMACKDOWN from the Obama campaign. what a joke hillary is becoming!!!!!!!!!1 LMAO!!!!!!!
Oh man, i just finished my pop corn and pop, now i have to grab another one, because this one promised to be more fun. All the spin, i am telling you, even George W bush has weighed on the experience factor. A lot of fun. I am going to watch the outrage now from various supporter, to be continued......
I find it strange that you did not report Sen Obama's response to her.  Are you with CNN?  You know the Clinton News Network?

I would gladly take a man who is honest and would not have taken us to a dumb ass war where our children are getting us killed;  than a woman who lies so much it just flows and who voted to send our kids to Bush's payback war or a woman who says she strong, but yells like a school kid when someone contrast the difference in views.
Speaking of foreign policy, was it just me or did Hillary say at the CNN debate that she would speak with Iran without preconditions? Isn't this a change of her earlier position that Barack is "naive" when he said he would do the same?

I think that Hillary does indeed have lots of trips to countries around the world . . . but stepping off a plane and taking a picture is not the same as living in another culture and seeing the world from a different perspective. We need a different perspective - especially when it comes to foreign policy.

Hillary is only making matter worse. She is not electable and her character is full of flaw although she won’t admit it.

She said she has met with the world leader, doing what exactly? Negotiating NAFTA with the world leaders or talking about Clinton’s incorporation. The last time I checked Laura Bush met with the world leader and that doesn’t make her credible in foreign policy affairs.

She has no credibility in foreign policy whatsoever. She voted for the war and now wants to attack Iran. She should just stick with her talking point and let America see her for what she is.

As far as I am concern she is a failure and disaster.
Am I having deja vu?  On Morning Joe this morning, they were talking about a comparison to Cheney and Rumsfeld...so either the Obama camp is repeating a prior response or ripping off ideas from the talking heads.  

It is a good point, though.  Then again, Bush was campaigning as the outsider in 2000 and look what we got there.  Obama would be miles above Bush but sometimes in a rush for change we get something worse than we had before.  
Good call for Obama! Why on earth would Hillary want to make this race on experience when any rational thought pegs her as having none?!
Look, this "I have foreign policy experience because I lived in Indonesia between the ages of 6 and 10"  is just too funny to be taken seriously.  Someone please tell me Sen. Clinton made this up.  Please tell me Sen. Obama didn't really say this.  No, he did say it?  And this is a serious candidate for president?  Puhleeze.
People get ready there is a train coming....

We're picking up passengers from coast to coast.....

Obama 08
Well, even if being first lady counts as experience, let's look at what her foreign policy results have been. She supported taking the focus off Bin Laden in Afghanistan and diverting resources to Iraq. That really worked out well, huh? Basically she was for the war before she was against it. Just like she was for negotiating unconditionally with Iran before she was against it and before she was for it again. She was for taking nukes off the table with Iran before she was against it and before she was for it again. She was for saber rattling Iran (Kyl Lieberman) before she was against it (supporting the Webb Bill). What good is her so called "experience" if on most major issues she is wrong or only right after a flip-flop. We need a leader with foresight like Obama showed in his 2002 Iraq speech. When has Hillary ever shown foresight? She only shows hindsight and rarely says anything more profound than "me too." Hillary Clinton was "experienced" enough to know Iraq was the wrong thing to do...but she sent thousands of soldiers to an unnecessary death for no reason other than she wanted to make her image more tough and macho. But the reality is that in her attempt to create an image of strength, she revealed what a political coward she is at heart to mimic Bush's talking points on the senate floor without bothering to read the NIE intelligence. All the experience in the world won't help you if you are too craven and cowardly to actually use it.
A new New Hampshire poll was just released, and it has Hillary Clinton's lead almost shrunk by half: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/presidential-diary-religious-right.html
That's enough Senator Clinton.

Your foreign policy is a total disaster. You supported the war in Iraq. You were against setting a time table for troop withdrawal. Still you don't say what exactly your plan is to end the war. You voted on Iran resolution. You admitted the NAFTA trade agreement was wrong (done by your husband). Ofcourse living in different countries at different times of someone's life help people to develop an understanding of other people and culture to different extent.

Let me ask you. How do you claim all executive, economic and foreign policy experience from being a 1st lady? By sharing bed with a running President? Some kinds of osmosis of intellectualism and experience from Bill's head to yours?

It's pathetic that your surrogates have been singing inevitability songs for months. Now that you are slipping in polls in IOWA (soon you will drwon in nation wide), you started republican scare tactics, slime politics, fear mongering.

Debate with Obama on policies. How you will deal with Iran, Iraw, Middle east, Pakistan, Syria, Iran? What is your plan to combat terrorism? How would you restore America's standing in world stage? Why do you think you have a better policy than his? When 50% of the people in your own party don't believe what you say, why do you think leaders and people of other countries take you as a credible person? Complete the debate with yourself first to settle many positions you have on each issues as a Republican suggested before you are ready to debate with Senator Obama.
Yes, I remember when I was 10 years old. I was very involved in the foreign policy and laying the foundation of my views on the world...

Please just beacause you live outside of this country doesn't make for qualification... Because I lived in a farm town in my childhood, a Farmer I don't make...
"Someone the rest of the world knows, looks up to and has confidence in."

I agree the rest of the world knows Senator Clinton, but I am wondering about the has confidence in" aspect of her statement.

Personally, I don't think the experience factor is Senator Clinton's best arguing point. Whether she has more experience than Senator Obama is debatable, but she certainly doesn't have the experience of some of the other candidates.  I think her campaign is making a mistake in judgement because she did better when she stressed her proposed programs rather than trying to bring up negative points about her opponents. If Senator Obama continues to present clear proposals that deal with the issues Americans are concerned about, proposals that everyday voters can relate to and agree with, I think the experience question will fade in importance.
Yup, Sens Obama and Clinton are playing two completely different games, Chess and Go (you pick who is playing which one).  One will emerge victorious, perhaps by the slimmest of margins, and all the media mavens will wax eloquent about how the other was "outmaneuvered" and how could (s)he not have seen what was coming, blah, blah, blah...  We're all justly skeptical of hyperfocusing on "the issues" (who really knows or cares what were the 84 Primary candidates' positions on intermediate ranged ballistic missiles in Europe), but there has to be something more substantial than this vapid "horse race" coverage.  It's like we're picking who will run the country for the next four years based on who can come up with the cleverest sound bite ("Where's the beef?").  So one opinionated voters' opinion: yes, Sen Clinton, you do have a point about Sen Obama's lack of foreign policy experience.  What great store of wisdom, pray tell, did you acquire in 1+ terms as a Senator?  Is your vaunted experience based on having pajama parties with the Mandelas when your husband was President?  How are we to evaluate the experience of living in the White House, but not having an official position?  (Unlike the first two questions, this last one is sincere.  How do we score being the First Lady?  It's gotta be worth something, but what?)
Hillary is a witch!! If the DEMS are dumb enough to nominate her then they deserve to lose in 08!!
That's enough Senator Clinton.

Your foreign policy is a total disaster. You supported the war in Iraq. You were against setting a time table for troop withdrawal. Still you don't say what exactly your plan is to end the war. You voted on Iran resolution. You admitted the NAFTA trade agreement was wrong (done by your husband). Ofcourse living in different countries at different times of someone's life help people to develop an understanding of other people and culture to different extent.

Let me ask you. How do you claim all executive, economic and foreign policy experience from being a 1st lady? By sharing bed with a running President? Some kinds of osmosis of intellectualism and experience from Bill's head to yours?

It's pathetic that your surrogates have been singing inevitability songs for months. Now that you are slipping in polls in IOWA (soon you will drwon in nation wide), you started republican scare tactics, slime politics, fear mongering.

Debate with Obama on policies. How you will deal with Iran, Iraw, Middle east, Pakistan, Syria, Iran? What is your plan to combat terrorism? How would you restore America's standing in world stage? Why do you think you have a better policy than his? When 50% of the people in your own party don't believe what you say, why do you think leaders and people of other countries take you as a credible person? Complete the debate with yourself first to settle many positions you have on each issues as a Republican suggested before you are ready to debate with Senator Obama.
'...A debate between folks in here.....

on the Conservative side:

Jerry
Dave in TN

On the Liberal side:

Desperate in Overland
HC in Boston
Merle in New York
Pat in Huntington

We'll put Sierra in the middle
If we get hot and heavy into Clinton land,he can join us......

Van can bore the crowd with his polls.......'


Accepted, jerry

I'll play my usual role:  The VOICE OF REASON ;-0
These are the headlines on First Read
    *Hillary Piles on Obama Experience
    *Dodd Camp Critizes New Clinton Ad
    *Romney Latches On To Clinton Ad

Yes sir, that Chuck Todd is a big Hillary fan as many of you Obama people accuse him.

Obama fans have been just fine with the piling on of Hillary...since that is what media "fairly" does to front runners.  Now that Barack is leading in the polls in Iowa and is the front runner...will it be okay for media like Crackpot Chris Matthews to go after the way he laughs, dresses, his hand movements, etc.?

Fair is fair, guys...right?

Wonder why closet Republican Crackpot Matthews who often has Chuck Todd on his program would support a lofty idea guy like Obama when he hated that in Gore and Kerry?  Hum???

Could it be that Matthews knows Obama would get chewed up by the Republican attack machine in 'o8 and the crackpot himself will be totally joining in.

Matthews want a "big beefy" man's man that he would like to have a beer with like Rudy.

Madame Clinton:

For the record, and for the sake of trustworthiness,
Barack Obama cited his CULTURAL experience growing up in Indonesia and touted his  knowledge and understanding of the culture as an ADDED BENEFIT in dealing with foreign governments. He did not, as you suggested, say that growing up as a child in Indonesia represents the totality of foreign policy experience.

By the way, I agree with everything you said about having a leader that the world can have confidence in. It's just you are not that person. It's Barack Obama.

Good Riddance.
Though I am an Edwards fan through and through, that was a great response from Obama.  Too bad he wasn't so willing to differentiate himself when the vote to continue funding the war went down.

Talk is cheap.
Hillary may be on thin ice with this approach. She has to present her experience as superior to Barack’s, which has been made more difficult by the absence of the White House records for Bill’s terms. Her Iraq war vote and subsequent support and positions with Bush cause further problems with the experience argument.

If Hillary struggles with what is considered her best calling card, it does not presage a good December for her. In addition, when one begins to factor her negative ratings, you could say that her campaign team will have their hands full.
Apparently Hillary does not realize what a life-changing and shaping experience living in a foreign country is. Makes me less likely to trust her on foreign affairs. She may know what the political elite want, but what about the people of the nations? Hillary will be thinking about Iraq's politicians when she makes decisions, not its people.
Traveling to a country and staying in "special" quarters or hotels does not the experience make as Hillary would like us to think. As one who lives, eats, shops, interacts with others of that country -- 20 years after my first trip to England my daughter studied there -- that trip I stayed for three weeks at B&Bs, small hotels and countryside guest houses and shopped, cooked, etc lived with the people -- no comparison to staying in a hotel and getting my meals brought to me. And that was for a short time -- the experience of living abroad is something all of our children should have -- the perspective one gains along with the wisdom there is no comparison.
So she has just four more years in the Senate and watched over Bill's shoulder for his years as governor of Arkansas and as President.  I just don't believe that she is THAT much more qualified to be digging on his experience.  By using the spouse card, does that mean Obama is qualified to run a hospital because his wife does?  I wish Obama would emphasize that he has served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and that he did research on diplomacy.  Sometimes new ideas trumps experience.  Would Republican hero Ronald Reagan have been elected governor of California if he hadn't had new ideas?  He sure as hell didn't have experience.
HOW DUMBER CAN THIS WOMAN GET?

The rest of the world didn't know Bill Clinton, look up to Bill Clinton or have confidence in Bill Clinton when he ran for President in 1992.

The rest of the world knew George Bush when he ran both times. He was the son of a former President.
This isn't the schoolyard. We're not kids. This IS Washington. I'm a little bit more concerned about how judgement and honesty will help us with our foreign relations. Posture and positioning seem like a big deal for a good reason.
Clinton is really reaching for stuff here. I mean really what type of idiot would count her years as First lady "touring" the world, as "foreign policy" experience. I mean, I guess you could make the same argument for Angelina Jolie. Sheesh!!! The whole experience thing is crazy to me, it is like saying that the Secretary of Treasury (Paulson), wife could take over his job b/c she lives with him and sometimes rants and fusses when he get home about things that goes on in the office. Oh, not to mention the fact that she met her husband's friends at parties and events!!! I mean really people wake up!!
'...“I think we need a president with more experience than that. Someone the rest of the world knows, looks up to and has confidence in....'

WHAT EXPERIENCE do you have, Hillary ?
Were you Secretary of State ?
Were you an ambassador ?

Other than voting for the war in Iraq and for a future war against Iran, what have you done ?

Who in the world 'looks up to and has confidence in' YOU, Slick Hilley ?

You're an incompetent Washington insider and a devious hack !!
Will you negotiate with Iran and Syria or not ?
Or does that depend on whether you're in 'Primary election mode' or 'General election mode'

I think the polls have you spooked !!
Hillary is getting desperate !!

What happened to 'inevitable Hillary'  ??
Buried under a pile of lies

Hillary Clinton, cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO RUNNING ON YOUR OWN RECORDS !!??

Senator Huillary Rodham Clinton:

When people don't trust you and don't believe anything you say (justifiably so), it's only a matter of time before they open their eyes to see that you're a lightweight and a coward without the minimal political fortitude of your husband.

You've never governed or held a management position, except Senator from the liberal state of New York. On that front, spineless Joe Biden and spineless Chris Dodd have impressive records that make yours look like a kindergartener.

You've never been president, except wife of a president. The only big thing you ever did (healthcare) was a fiasco. Sitting beside the driver for 8 years won't ever make you an experienced driver.

By the way, if you're proud of your first lady records, why don't you release them before january 3, so that we can judge your experience for ourselves, instead of you telling us about it without any meat on it.
I can only pray to God that Hillary Clinton IS NOT elected president.  She is just like her husband, a liar and a theif.  How can anyone in their right mind vote for her on her past performance.  Have we forgotten White Water already, and all of her other indiscretions?  She is a conniving, lying opportunistic b***h.  This country will fall under her leadership.
I posted this yesterday but I thought that is was appropriate under this heading.  Sorry for the repetition but there's only so many ways to say the same thing.  

And why should I think that Hillary Clinton is more experienced to lead this country?  Oh...yeah, maybe it has to do with that phenomenal leadership and flexibility that she demonstrated when she helped to pass a universal health care pkg. in 1993. Oh, no, wait a minute, that didn't pass, did it?  

No, no, no, I know what it is. It has to do with that stellar voting record in the senate.  You know, that record where she shows her great judgment in foreign policy.  No, that can't be it.  She voted to authorize the president's use of force in Iraq, even without reading the NIE.  She claims that she was sure that he would use this authorization as a tool for diplomacy. What a surprise!  Imagine, that otherwise sane and thoughtful president decided to use this 'authorization of force' resolution... to use force.  And then, didn't she cede Congressional oversight of this use of force by voting against the Levin/Reed amendment?  So, that's not it.  That can't be an example of her good judgment and preparedness to be president.  

Oh, I've got it.  It has to do with what she had learned in the Senate, in terms of dealing with the lunacy of the Bush/Cheney administration.  No, gosh darn it, that's not it either.  After five years had gone by, she voted for the Lieberman/Kyl amendment to authorize that this same wily president use force against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.  This resolution was again approved to give him greater powers of negotiating.  And now, Bush states that he is worried about Iran's weapons of mass destruction.  Deja vu all over again, Hillary?  

I must be missing something.  This claim of a great trove of experience and good judgment that should enable her to lead the nation from day one of her supposed presidency, completely eludes me.

Somebody will have to explain her claim of superiority to me.  Could it be that she thinks that Bill Clinton will act as the de facto president?  No, it couldn't be that either.  That would sound too much like the Perons of Argentina (both #1 and #2 Mrs. Peron).  After all, I would think that Hillary would be aware of the 22nd amendment to the Constitution, doncha think?  She must realize that we don't have ruling families in this country.

Gosh, this is such a puzzlement to me.  I'll have to go back and do some more research.  No...I'm sure some of the Hillarophiles will be able to explain to me how her good judgment, her vast experience, is only trumped by her trustworthiness.
Obama '08
I'd like to know exactly what experience in any of these areas Hillary has to offer. Certainly not judgment or honesty.
Nice comeback Obama camp!
The more Hillary keeps piling on, the more desperate her campaign looks.  Clearly, "front-runners" and "inevitable" candidates don't act this way.  For someone who was accusing John Edwards of slinging mud last week...she's throwing heaps of it at Obama.  

Neither Hill or Obama are any more than professional politicians.The definition of which is well known.

When will we get to a Statesman for president?


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