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Clinton digs at Obama

Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:16 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
CLINTON WEEKEND CAMPAIGN NOTEBOOK
SAC CITY, IA -- Clinton took another dig at her main opponent Obama, criticizing his health care plan for not covering everyone and urging all her Democratic opponents to put forth plans that do. She also suggested putting diplomatic pressure on Iran was working.

"Some of my other opponents who are running,” Clinton told a crowd at a local fire house, “they've put out plans and, you know, everybody on the Democratic side is talking about covering more people, but some of them don't cover everybody. Some of them claim to cover everybody, but they don't and I don't think that you can run for president today without having a universal healthcare plan that covers every single American, because we want to go into the general election with that issue against the Republicans.

"One of my opponents leaves 15 million people out. That's a lot of people.”

That line echoed her shot at Obama at the debate in Las Vegas. Earlier in the day, the campaign sent out a statement criticizing the Illinois senator on the same point and accusing him of lacking the courage to put forth a universal health care plan.

"Senator Obama should explain to Iowans why he chose to leave so many people uninsured," the statement read in part.

During the question-and-answer session, when asked about Iran, Clinton suggested the move to call the country's army a terrorist organization may have led it to start "backing off" in Iraq.

"It may not be cause and effect,” she said, “but since we passed that and since the sanctions were imposed on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, we are resuming talks with Iran, the Iranians have stopped sending improvised explosive devices into Iraq to be used against our soldiers. They have backed off from sending a lot of their agents into Iraq. I believe a contributing factor to the Iranians backing off was getting tougher on an economic sanctions agenda against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.”

Clinton added that now an Iranian ambassador and a U.S. ambassador would begin talks again. The comments were part of a slightly modified stump speech in which Clinton touched on her four big goals for America, but also spent some time talking more about why she is running for president and what she believes it will take to win.
 
"We have to choose a president who understands both what it's going to take to repair the damage,” Clinton said, “but also how we're going to get back working together to meet the big challenges we confront as a nation. I'm running for president, because I love this country with all my heart."

Clinton continued to bash President Bush, while also highlighting her ability to win two senate races by campaigning extensively in traditionally Republican upstate New York and talking about the need for Republicans and Democrats to work together.

"I'm just so tired,” Clinton said, “as I think most Americans are, of all this partisan wrangling.”

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This story is clearly spinning for HIllary because it is burying the main source of disagreement between the two - whether mandates are the right policy. Instead, this story is using a narrative preferred by the clinton campaign...covering everybody vs not covering everybody.  The narrative should be mandates vs no mandates.  I am guessing that putting out this sort of copy helps you maintain you camapaign access...at the expense of fair discussion, of course.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.  Hillary's not attacking Obama because he's wrong, she's attacking him because she knows her vote on Iran was a huge blunder and reveals her continued support for the Bush administration, and because Obama is ahead!
Hillary needs a sock shoved down her throat, she is so much better than Obama.
Hillary, you ARE the embodiment of "partisan wrangling". How else would you explain your latest ad on the "Republican attack machine"? NEXT!
"I'm just so tired,” Clinton said, “as I think most Americans are, of all this partisan wrangling.”


Is she serious?
Really. Is she serious?

Clinton is the personification of extreme partisanship.
She is public enemy #1 of the republicans.
And what of "the right wing conspiracy"

Hillary Clinton has totally lost it.
HRC wants to have it both ways again. She was all about fighting the republican machine but now since the poll are showing that the american people want change, she now want to work with republican. I recall at the Jefferson Dinner that she wanted to turn up the HEAT ON REPUBLICAINS... i thought back then that they were also americans.. but now she wants to play the uniter card... she changes her position every time the wind blow in different directions. Yeah, if she is tired of the partisan wrangling, she better get out of the race since they are the ones (the clinton) who instigates all that bipartisan wrangling. The american people just dont want to see the same Bush Clinton, Bush, Clinton again.
The guy from illinois will be a great president.
GO Obama.
The only plan that truly insures everyone is Kucinich's plan.  Hillary Clinton has yet to explain how to enforce her mandatory health insurance.  Would the penalty be jail time?  A fine (on those who already can't afford health insurance)?

Obama makes the correct point that cost is the most important factor in whether people get health insurance.  If people can afford it, they will get it.  If they can't, they won't.  We see this happen with car insurance in states where it is "mandatory".  And even if she makes it free for people she decides are too poor to afford insurance, what about those who still truly can't afford it, but do not meet Hillary Clinton's requirements to be considered "poor"?

The only way to force them to get health insurance is to move to a single payer approach like Kucinich.  Without such a plan, people are dealing directly with private insurance companies, and Clinton is stuck trying to enforce an unenforceable mandate.
Clinton still believes that in this country, you can mandate anything on a federal level. Sorry Hil, but that ain't gonna fly. Obama's right; the problem is cost, not compliance. You go into fall telling the nation that you're going to force healthcare on them, whether they can afford it or not, and they'll let you know what you think of that idea.

She really has learned NOTHING since her debacle with health care in '93.
I think it is a bit naive to think the iranian governement slowed down on any of their projects because of some kind of sanction. Times many have we heard both diplomates governement talking NOTHING have change in my view. This is Clinton trying to convince people she casted the right vote and I think the american people are smart enough to see through it. I think it is TIME for change it is time for a new direction new ideas new face. It is time to start believing again in my view OBAMA's the man to accomphish theses ideas not Hillary.
People don't change once they reach the age of 30 said an wiseman they TRY to make concession and most of the time they fail. What's interresting they show you their real nature in the failing process.
For those who believe Hillary can bring about the change this country need are up for a big disappointment. God forbide if she wins the nomination which I think the republicans ( Chuck,Mark, Dominico ) whould love see happens the country will be in BIG mess.
Who pays for this unwanted socialism?
Funny - Clinton takes "another dig" at Obama, but when Obama or anyone else criticizes Clinton, its a major attack that is driven by sexism and requires another round of fundraising letters to counter. And then Clinton has the nerve to say she's tired of the partisan wrangling? Oh my gosh, that one takes nerve.  
"main opponent Obama"


what about Edwards?

damn, you all are biased
A mandated healthcare plan will never pass congress unless congress has a democratic and fillbuster majority.  Most Republicans won't go for it.  

And didn't Iran just announce a major milestone in its efforts to pursue nuclear weapons? the only change in the Iran policy is that more people in the Bush whitehouse are against military usage in Iran.  Cheny is still all for it but Gates and Rice arent.
Does the health care mandate in Massachussetts mean that everyone in their state is insured, or have countless people who can't afford it still fallen through the cracks?  I believe it's the latter... I don't know why Edwards and now Clinton are insisting on the Romney method of mandates; as a twenty-eight year old who just finally received health insurance, a mandate wouldn't have helped me get it any quicker, because I still wouldn't have been able to afford it.

Clinton's claim that Iran is backing off out of Iraq is not only silly, but is a politically reckless move because facts will show otherwise soon enough.  Perhaps she's gambling that no one will notice before January 3rd, but I believe that's wishful thinking.  
It's obvious that the Obama supporters know nothing of Clinton's record of bi-partisanship in the senate.
A little reading and some experience would help you all in that regard.
It's obvious that the Obama supporters know nothing of Clinton's record of bi-partisanship in the senate.
A little reading and some experience would help you all in that regard.
Who pays for this socialism? Not the American voter thats for sure.
Given that Obama did a successful health care plan in Illinois compared to Hillary's failure in the 90s, if I was her, I would not go there.
Because Obama is not going to make it mandatory and therefore a crime if you don't have health care, doesn't mean his plan is not a good, even excellent plan.
Hillary better reign in that authoritarian streak of hers.
Obama is the republicans' worst nightmare. Hillary represents establishment and years of scandals spunnining all the way from Arkansas. What 35yr. experience Hillary? The bush twins have lived in the white house for 8 yrs. Are they fit to be president???????
Obama is the republicans' worst nightmare. Hillary represents establishment and years of scandals spunnining all the way from Arkansas. What 35yr. experience Hillary? The bush twins have lived in the white house for 8 yrs. Are they fit to be president???????
No more Clinton-Bush dynasty and corrupted Health Industry.

!!! VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA !!!
My heart goes out to Dennis Quaid and his family. And to Kanye West and his family. These are two unfortunate examples of why it is so important to end the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery in America. HR 676 Single Payer Universal Health Care (Medicare For All) is The Way to go. Like all other developed countries did years ago. See sickocure.org

You see, It's not just about the 47 million Americans that have no insurance. Or the 89 million who went without insurance part of the time from 2006-2007. It's about everyone. Private for profit health care delivery is not only highly immoral, and unethical. It is just down right dangerous, and bad medicine. That injures, and kills millions of Americans needlessly. Disgracefully. Shamefully.

These injuries, and deaths should not have happened. We only heard about them because it happened to celebrities. But these tragedies are happening to thousands of Americans every day in this country. But you don't hear about it. These thousands of needless deaths, and injuries of your loved ones are covered up. Under so-called patient confidentiality. Which is just health care industry speak for "don't tell anybody we injured, or killed another one".

See, no one is immune from the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery. Mr. Quaid's children were being cared for at a very renowned hospital. And I am sure Mr. Quaid probably has excellent insurance. And can afford the finest medical care available. But as it turned out. None of that mattered.  Hospitals have always been potentially very dangerous places. But under the pressures of greed, and a rush to profit. All US hospitals have become extremely dangerous, deadly places. Like they were in the 18th century. When hospitals were primarily the place you went to DIE!

I don't know exactly how this tragedy to Mr. Quaid's babies happened. But I imagine it was the same scenario that plays out thousands of times every day across America. Driven by greed, and the profit motive hospitals cut corners as much as they can get away with. This means staff that is over worked. And under staffed. It means hiring the least experienced, and cheapest hospital staff you can get. And pushing out the more experienced safer higher paid staff.

They say the pharmacist stocked the wrong meds. And that the hospitals were warned about this problem months ago. After many other perfectly healthy new born babies were killed by this mistake. I wonder how many thousands of perfectly healthy babies were killed this way across America. And how many thousands are still being killed this way across America.

It should not have mattered what concentration of heparin the pharmacist stocked the medicine cabinets with. Because every one who administers drugs is supposed to have been taught to follow the (7 R's).

a. Right drug,

b. Right patient,

c. Right dose,

d. Right time,

e. Right route,

f. Right reason,

g. Right documentation,

This is just basic practice. A experienced person will check additional things. Before giving a patient a potentially deadly drug.

In anticipation of coming changes in our health care system. Thousands of patients are being killed at a fevered pitch. And millions injured, and poisoned with unnecessary medications, medical procedures, and surgery's. In an orgy of greed, and profiteering a head of proposed changes to our current disgraceful health care system.

HR. 676 Single Payer Universal National Health Care For All (Medicare For All) can fix this disgrace. Until then, I advise you to be careful of taking any recommended medical care at this time without doing your home work. And getting a good independent 2nd, or 3rd opinion. Especially if you have so-called good insurance coverage.

And If you have to receive medical care in, or out of a hospital. Try to have a knowledgeable family member or friend to keep an eye on what they are doing to you.

Good Luck...
Obama is such a fake how can he attack her on her Iran vote when he tried to SPONSOR THE SAME BILL IN APRIL..I'm no fan of either of these two
So who's slinging mud now, Hillary?
To Obamaisfake....YEAH RIGHT.
Jaunito, pointing out the facts is not slinging mud. However, when you accuse someone of being corrupt because a lobby donates money to a candidate's campaign is slinging mud. When you state your position on an issue and contrast it to you opponent's, then go on to say why you feel your plan is better is nothing more than stating facts. And Paul from Pittsburgh, do you think that George Bush involves his daughter in discussions of foreign policy or the threats facing America? Do you think he "pillow-talks" with them? Weak arguement! As for being the republicans' worst nightmare, you had better wake up! He is so far to the left on every issue that he stands no chance to sway independants let alone republicans in the middle. They will have a feild day with him, win the white house for another 8 years, and then you can say that you voted republican. Because that is what a vote for Obama is, a sure bet to put the republicans back in the white house. And Diane, exactly what "successful" health care plan does Illinois have? Funny, I haven't heard one report on this health care plan in the media. Must be they are all biased toward Hillary, eh? Also, try to think how many people would have car insurance if it wasn't mandated. A great number of people go their entire life without an accident. Does this mean that they should be allowed to drive without it? The basic premise of mandating health insurance for everyone is that it brings DOWN costs by having healthy people paying into the system (just like good drivers paying into auto insurance) making it more affordable to those where it is out of reach. It also gives tax credits to those that cannot afford it at all, similar to the "head of household" tax credit, where even people that don't pay taxes get a tax return because they are head of household. As for you, Ellen, I don't know what reports you are reading, but it can't be anything from MSNBC (especially First Read). These people have an agenda of destroying Hillary's campaign and it is obvious to a blind man in every article they write and every TV show they air. And to all of you who attack Hillary on her Iran vote and think Obama has the magic potion for bringing them to the American side of the table....you must be living in fantasy land! Do you really believe that a country that hates American politics with such passion is suddenly going to say "oh, Obama, you are so nice we are going to change our policies because you talk to us and ask us to stop hating you"? Also, he talks about going to the table with Ahdmenidjad. This is the biggest joke and shows his total lack of knowledge in foreign policy. The president of Iran is nothing more than a figurehead in the policy making. It would be like talking to the queen of England to get their troops involved in the Iraq war. It is the Ayatollah and the Supreme Council that rule Iran, and believe me, they would never sit at the table with a bleeding-heart liberal like Obama, unless they knew that they could scam him into believing that all is well and they are our friends, while all the while planning to attack us at every sign of weakness. You people should really wake up and get real instead of buying into all these pipe-dreams he is trying to sell. And you need to realize that Obama is so far to the left, that he has absolutely no chance of bringing the politicians of washington together to accomplish anything, not even the more moderate republicans. However someone like Hillary who is so close to the center on policies, has a great chance of convincing those on the opposite side to agree with her. Don't believe me? Check out the 2 pieces of legislation that Obama co-sponsored as opposed to the nearly 100 pieces authored or co-sponsored by Hillary. Instead of spewing hate and putting forth reasons why Hillary should not be elected, try putting forth arguements as to why your candidate should. And please save the soundbites for the campaign speeches and show me what policies he stands for and exactly how he is going to acheive them. It's time to wake up now from your dream world, the time to vote for a democrat that CAN and WILL win the white house is upon us.
"No more Clinton-Bush dynasty and corrupted Health Industry."

We don't see there will be a dynasty here. What we see is right now still lots of people being used by some politicians for this campaign to blog here and there, everywhere. They have no clue what they believe.

Whether you like her or not, she is no Bush. Real Bush wants you to think that way, for his own party's benefit. Republicans playing games with Dems. See through it. Don't buy it. Think about it.
Obama can, and will win the Whitehouse. He is much less polarizing and much more respected. He doesn`t have all the baggage, doesn`t flip flop based on polls or popular opinion. He tells it like it is, like it or not. The Republicans can bring up many real issues and some non issues to fight Hillary, they have nothing on Obama. Barack will win the mainstream vote and the rest of the candidates wuill get the fringe. As more and more voters are exposed to his ideas and policies old perceptions will disolve. We need a uniter, not a divider in the White House and at leat Barack Obama is respected by many Republicans. Hillary ,rightfully, or wrongfully, is dispised many circles and the hard core, right wing, republican voters will show up
in hordes because she will ignite their opposition.
Those that have been apathetic in the past will have sudden found motivation. Barack Obama provides us with a level of intelligence and common sense not seen in the White House in many years.


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