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Hillary: I ‘was the face of America’

Posted: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:10 PM by Domenico Montanaro



From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
CLINTON WEEKEND CAMPAIGN NOTEBOOK

PERRY, IA, Nov. 25 – Clinton talked about how her experience as First Lady helps qualify her for the job as President, said the troop surge in Iraq had not led to a political solution and bashed Obama’s health care plan again today at her first press conference in about two weeks.

She also said she didn’t put much faith in polls, in response to a question about the recent Washington Post/ABC poll that put her behind her chief rival, Obama, in Iowa.

When asked how her experience as First Lady made her more experienced than her opponents on matters of foreign policy and economic issues, the senator seemed to dodge the question at first.

"That’s for the voters to decide,” she said, “but I think that I bring unique experience, 35 years of experience, including the eight years in the White House, where I was very actively involved in issues both here at home and around the world, and I trust the voters to sort out all of these credentials and qualifications, and I’m proud that former Secretary of the Treasury Bob Rubin is supporting me for president.”

Clinton answered more directly a follow up about comments supporter and former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack made earlier this week that she was the face of foreign policy during her husband’s administration.

"I traveled to I think, I don’t know, maybe 80, 82 countries,” she said, “and I went a lot of places that the president or the vice president or the Secretary of State couldn’t go or couldn’t get there yet. I was the first person for the administration to go to Bosnia after the Dayton Peace accords. I went to Africa; I went to India, Pakistan, the Indian subcontinent to sort of lay the groundwork for building an American relationship with a visit to come from the president. I went to Latin America, I think every year that I was in the White House, meeting with government officials, first ladies, not for profit organizations on issues like health care and education.

"I think that there are lots of ways in which what I did was the face of America when I was there when I was representing not just my husband but the country.”

The senator reiterated a statement made to the New York Times that the troop surge in Iraq may have led to some tactical successes, but had not pushed the Iraqi government to reach a political solution to the country’s problems.

"I think the American military, if you put enough forces anywhere, is going to score successes,” Clinton said. “That’s not really the question. The question is whether there is a military solution, engineered by the American military, for the problems in Iraq, and I don’t believe there is a military solution. The whole idea behind adding more American troops was to give the Iraqi government the space and time to start making the political decisions that they have to make for themselves.

"There’s nothing we can do to create the circumstances in which the Iraqis make the tough decisions about how they’re going to live together as a country and what kind of future they’re going to provide for their people. That hasn’t happened. Even our military commanders in the last several weeks have remarked that they’re disappointed that the Iraqi government hasn’t taken advantage of the tactical achievements that the American military has made. So I don’t believe if we stay another day, stay five days, stay five years or 10 years that we’re going to make a difference militarily. Yes, we can have some tactical successes, but ultimately this is up to the Iraqis and I believe we should start bringing our troops home now.”

On the recent Iowa poll showing Obama in the lead, the senator sought to manage expectations.

"There’ve been a lot of different polls,” Clinton said, “and I, frankly, don’t pay a lot of attention to any of them, because all that’s going to count is who shows up on the night of Jan. 3, and I feel very good about where my campaign is in Iowa.

“It is a much more competitive race here than it is in other parts of the country. I started very far behind when I came into this race, but I feel we’ve been making progress, and every day that goes by, I feel that we’re gaining new supporters, and I’m just going to get up every day and do what I’m doing now, which is to make my case, have my organization reach out to voters and we’ll see what happens on Jan. 3, because that’s the only count that really matters.”

It’s worth noting that Clinton or her surrogates -- like Vilsack and Terry McAuliffe -- often mention how many polls show her leading in various states and nationwide.

Clinton also repeated her attacks on Obama’s health care plan, saying that by his own admission it did not cover 15 million people. She again stressed her belief that any plan has to start out by trying to cover everyone -- comparing plans that don’t cover everyone to saying Medicare should be voluntary and people shouldn’t have to pay the payroll tax.

In response to a question on how she would mandate coverage, Clinton said she would have to negotiate with the Congress to figure that out, adding that there were a “number of ways” to get to a mandate.

"Certainly for Democrats trying to choose a standard bearer, it’s important to know what each of us would do when it comes to one of the most important issues in this race, namely healthcare,” she said, “so I’m going to draw issue distinctions. Then when we choose a nominee, which I expect to be me, we’re going to close ranks and we’re going to run against the Republicans and win.”

The senator also said following Obama’s plan had been "confusing.”

"It’s been kind of confusing following his description of his own plan,” Clinton said. “If you go back and look, he said it was universal; he said it was sort of universal; he said it wasn’t universal; he said he covered everybody; he said he didn’t cover 15 million. He has a mandate for kids, now he’s against mandates. I think you’re going to have to ask him what his plan actually does.”

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Mike from Buffalo, you hit it on the head.  Now she doesnt pay attention to polls, just a couple a weeks ago she bragged people were attacking her because she was ahead in the polls.  My, my..  How convenient to ignore them now.
I think that hillary is great. Vote hillary and help put a sexual predator back in the white house!!
If you like hillary's health plan, take a look at how successful it has been in Canada.  Ask a Canadian if they are satisfied with their healthcare plan.  I have spent the last two summers in Canada and have talked to many of them about their healthcare system.  They hate it and it is very expensive.  Do some reading.  As far as experience.  She has plenty of experience in cover-ups, lies, impeachment.  She should have been at home supporting her husband in a difficult job instead of traveleing to 80 or 82 countries as she says she did.  I have traveled to Canada, Mexico, Japan, China etc.  Why not vote for me?
I guess if you are married to a doctor that means you can operate,a lawyer you can practice law and living with a sleaze bag that qualifies you as one too!
All talk and no action. I like both Bush's and former Pres Bill Clinton. They are first of all, our Presidents. Do I agree with all they do--of course not, but I will not bash our Presidents. I am suffering from Bush and Clinton fatigue and 20 years is enough. Lets move on!!  
Hillary will win, Obama is just saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear...he can't back any of it up.
If she doesn't care about polls, then I'd love to know why her entire campaign is riddles with them.  The only time she says she doesn't care about them is when she's not in the lead, which is becoming more and more common every day as she keeps jamming her foot in her mouth.  Polls have been her life-blood for years, and now she's taking the typical Clinton immature reaction of saying that they were never important to her now that she's not ahead.
There's a reason that Obama has denounced certain mandates, because they take away our rights as Americans and force increased costs.  Her mandatory health care plan doesn't give health care to anyone, the money for it is taken in the huge amount of taxes she wants to make people pay.  He'd better denounce it, because people are beginning to see just how her plan would seriously damage the middle class and create even more poor.
Heh, I still laugh when I hear people say that Bill Clinton's success wouldn't have been possible without Hillary.  If Hillary is responsible for the things Bill did as President, then she DEFINITELY shouldn't be voted in.  With all the immoral and illegal political moves Bill pulled and got away with because of his silver tongue, he should be locked in a cage, and if Hillary is responsible for his "success," then she belongs right in there with him.  He's one of the few people whom I approve of Bush more than.
Hilary has done such a great job in NY...our state has tumbled in population, WNY is leading the US in jobs lost, we pay the highest taxes in the US, she was ready to give illegals a drivers license in exchange for votes, ...just multiply this times all the other states and one can she what she brings to the table of experience.....Lord help us if she gets in! ....
Hilary has no right to bash any other plans when she doesn't clearly state her own.  I've listened to her many times and I've never once heard her actually SAY anything except "the voters will decide", "the American people know where I stand", "my experience speaks for itself", and "I'm going to get a bipartisan committee to decide what to do".  

Hilary, we don't know where you stand because you never lay out your plans.  You don't answer questions, you evade them.  We don't know your record or experience because you're hiding it.  Being the wife of the president does not make you experienced enough to lead the country.  You tried to fix healthcare once already and you FAILED.  That's not a record I feel comfortable with.  I've lived abroad for years.  Does that make me qualified to decide foreign policy?  I don't think so.  Until you're ready to stand up and discuss your plans and beliefs in detail, you should just sit back and watch the show.  Everyone else is making a real effort to let the voters know how they will be President, not trying to use smoke and mirrors.

And for those voters who like Hilary because they like Bill...I like Bill.  I voted for him and think he was a good president.  But Hilary is not Bill.  She has come out and said very clearly that Bill will have no role in policy-making in her administration.  He won't even be around.  He's going to be an international ambassardor for her white house.  They actually disagree on some issues.  So don't vote for ANYONE just because you like their spouse, and you certainly shouldn't support Hilary because you think voting for her will get you another Bill.
Hillary? "ah, I think I will just say NO.
diane:

I wonder if you think living in a foreign country when you are a child counts as foreign policy experience.
That is crazy, how Hillary switches everything,

"She also said she didn’t put much faith in polls, in response to a question about the recent Washington Post/ABC poll that put her behind her chief rival, Obama, in Iowa.""

That seems like a pretty convenient response, i wonder how exactly do that work for her debate phrase "They are attacking me because I am ahead", then what the hell was she referring to since she doesn't put faith in polls. Why did she reference it at all?
Two weeks ago, Hillary Clinton was just bubbling when she said during the Vegas debate that the polls showed her as the leader. Now that the polls have gone sour on her, Hillary Clinton says she doesn't pay attention to the polls. The Clinton's supporters wonder why people think she is a two-faced skank.
Hillary Clinton is nothing but a liar...she will destroy our country if she is elected president...
She is so darn wishy washy, its hard to keep track.. and the only reason she was so "actively" involved in her idiot husbands presidency is because this is what she has wanted all along, she wanted to be president when he was in office.  He was nothing but a liar also.  She is just as slick as he is, and if they both get back in the White House this country is seriously screwed.
As a single registered independent voter in NY, I voted for Hillary in the Senate race.  Hillary is a good Senator, but I just would not vote for her for President. I want change and Hillary would be just the same old thing.  I hope Obama is the candidate.  
Obama = cheap talk in an expensive suit.

The guy is a F.A.K.E.
I wonder if you think living in a foreign country when you are a child counts as foreign policy experience.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa,

Have you lived abroad before, perhaps, in the third world country? If you've not then, i don't expect you to question Obama's view on living abroad.

The same goes for Hillary Clinton. Until we have a leader that understands other people’s culture, our foreign policy will end up like George Bush. Take for example a business that is trying to penetrate Chinese market without understanding Chinese culture is doom to fail because of its lack of understanding.

Hillary Clinton thinks meeting leaders in the palace is enough to understand Middle East or any of the third world cultures. I’d rather choose someone from the street than someone that lives and dine in the palace like Hillary. She has no clue



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I wonder if you think living in a foreign country when you are a child counts as foreign policy experience.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa,

Have you lived abroad before, perhaps, in the third world country? If you've not then, i don't expect you to question Obama's view on living abroad.

The same goes for Hillary Clinton. Until we have a leader that understands other people’s culture, our foreign policy will end up like George Bush. Take for example a business that is trying to penetrate Chinese market without understanding Chinese culture is doom to fail because of its lack of understanding.

Hillary Clinton thinks meeting leaders in the palace is enough to understand Middle East or any of the third world cultures. I’d rather choose someone from the street than someone that lives and dine in the palace like Hillary. She has no clue



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JOE BIDEN ..... JOE BIDEN ... JOE BIDEN ... JOE BIDEN ...

Why do dems who point to Hillary's "experience" not recognize actual experience?

Here is what ACTUAL EXPERIENCE looks like:

Biden is a long-time member of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, which he chaired from 1987 until 1995 and served as ranking minority member from 1981 until 1987 and again from 1995 until 1997. In this capacity, he has become one of the most respected Senate voices on drug policy, crime prevention, and civil liberties. While chairman, Biden presided over two of the more contentious U.S. Supreme Court confirmation hearings ever, Robert Bork in 1987 and Clarence Thomas in 1991.
Biden has been instrumental in crafting significant federal crime laws over the last decade, including the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, also known as the Biden Crime Law. He also authored the landmark Violence Against Women Act of 2000, which contains a broad array of groundbreaking measures to combat domestic violence and provides billions of dollars in federal funds to address gender-based crimes; part of this legislation later was struck down as unconstitutional. He also introduced the controversial RAVE Act in April 2003.
As chairman of the International Narcotics Control Caucus, Biden wrote the laws that created the nation's "Drug Czar," who oversees and coordinates national drug control policy. In this role, Biden continues to work to stop the spread of "date rape" drugs, such as Rohypnol, and drugs such as Ecstasy and Ketamine. In 2004 he worked to pass a bill outlawing steroids like androstenedione, the drug used by many baseball players.
Staunchly supportive of education, Biden's legislation has promoted college aid and loan programs and has allowed families to deduct on their annual income-tax returns up to $10,000 per year in higher-education expenses. His enacted Kids 2000 legislation which established a public/private partnership to help provide computer centers, teachers, Internet access, and technical training to young people across the nation, particularly to low-income and at-risk youth.
Biden's expertise in foreign policy, national security, and arms control issues has won him considerable bipartisan respect. In 1997, he became the ranking minority member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations and chaired the committee from June 2001 through 2003. His efforts to combat hostilities in the Balkans in the 1990s brought national attention and influenced presidential policy: traveling repeatedly to the region, he made one meeting famous by calling Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic a "war criminal." He consistently argued for lifting the arms embargo, training Bosnian Muslims, investigating war crimes and administering NATO air strikes. Biden's subsequent "lift and strike" resolution was instrumental in convincing President Bill Clinton to use military force in the face of systematic human rights violations.

Mike in Buffalo, New York,
You accuse Hillary Clinton that she is a liar. The question I have for you is, what proof do you have that indicates Hillary Clinton and her husband not only live by polls, they govern by polls? If you can proof your claim of Hillary being a liar then many people would agree with yours claim. But if your claim is only based on speculation then what would you consider youself to be?
You don't have to call her a liar when she is only saying what everybody else is saying. Take for example, George Bush has been saying the same thing from day one that he does not pay attention to polls. This does not make him a liar. He is only saying what he does not pay attention to.

If you do not like Hillary personally or you do not like what she says, then you can take your anger into the voting booth. You have the right to criticise her of course, but do it conrstuctively.
Be civil to all the candidates, Democrats or Republicans running for president.

Thank you.  
 
Joe, Portland, Oregon
If Hillary does not pay attention to the polls, where did she get the idea she was frontrunner?  She claimed that position in the Nevada debate when she said that she did not believe she was picked on because she was a female but because she was the frontrunner.  Who told her she was the frontrunner?  Some more double talk and straddling the fence on her part.
Clinton, Obama, and Edwards COMBINED don't  have the experience or accomplishments of JOE BIDEN.  

It is like Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, and Jay Cutler telling Tom Brady that they have more experience.  Dream on.  Not a ring between the three of them.

When you are in a clutch situation - as we are now - you go to the PERSON with the experience to guide your team through.  The person who has been there, done that, and succeeded.  

4th quarter, 2 minutes left, ball on your own 20 yard line - who is your quarterback?   You are lying if you say anyone but Brady.  And you are blind if you say anyone but Biden in '08.

Last year Philip Rivers was sent to the Pro Bowl instead of Tom Brady - seems kind of silly now, doesn't it.

Why don't Hillary and Barack go back to the Senate, accomplish something in the position they were elected to before asking to be promoted.  They are second string - at best.

If Hillary is the face of America, no wonder that abroad we're seen as 'The Ugly Americans'!
Her only White House experience was that disasterous
medical plan which would have nationalized 1/7 of our economy - followed by her PI's checking on Bill.  Yet I hope she's nominated as it will insure a GOP victory (for Ron Paul, I hope!)
Wow, Hillary supporters on this website are determined to twist the truth any way they can so that it looks like she has the 'experience' over Obama. Hmmm, let's see...I want you Hillary lovers to do something you're probably not so used to doing...THINK! I have said this more than three times on First Read, First Lady is a temporary title, not an electable position! If what you Hillidiots say makes any sense, then I guess we'll be seeing Laura Bush on the ballot in 2012, seeing as she has made more 'foriegn policy' trips than Hillary! And about these '35 years of experience' she keeps crying about, since she has hid her 'record' of those 35 years from the public, I going to act as if they didn't exist.
So with all of this great foreign policy experience Hillary (didn't read the NIE in 2002) still voted along with President Bush three times on proposals to use force in the Middle East.  I guess that all of that experience doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you don't have any judgment.
Obama '08
Elizabeth Sullivan: I like Joe Biden but he voted for the use of force in Iraq in 2002 and against the Levin amendment (Senate amendment 4862) which would have provided for Congressional oversight.  He is unwilling to admit that these votes were mistakes and for that reason, in spite of his apparent experience and likability, he will not have my support.

We all know that Hillary was complicit in both of these votes but unlike Biden, she even voted for the use of force (Lieberman/Kyl) amendment against Iran.  Some people never learn.
Obama '08
Elizabeth Sullivan: I like Joe Biden but he voted for the use of force in Iraq in 2002 and against the Levin amendment (Senate amendment 4862) which would have provided for Congressional oversight.  He is unwilling to admit that these votes were mistakes and for that reason, in spite of his apparent experience and likability, he will not have my support.

We all know that Hillary was complicit in both of these votes but unlike Biden, she even voted for the use of force (Lieberman/Kyl) amendment against Iran.  Some people never learn.
Obama '08
Many dems have claimed that Bush hasn't united but instead divided the country (yeah, the dems have always extended a helping hand). Using that same line, how exactly will this woman united the country?  
A woman with an abusive husband is the face of America?
Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY:

At least Biden shows up to vote.  
she's the one that will get healthcare thru, not obama. everyone says that she failed in 93'. yes, that is correct, so who better, someone that has learned from experience and retrospect or someone that will have to start at square one.  wake up america, she's the one. go hillary go!

connie floyd Crockett,tx

Ok so your kicker fails at the PAT each time, do you keep him in, because he has experience, or try someone new? I go with someone new.
Beckwolf says: "Heh, I still laugh when I hear people say that Bill Clinton's success wouldn't have been possible without Hillary."

What success?
Wrong votes don't count for much.
Obama '08
Mitchell -

2004:

"In a recent interview, [Obama] declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time. 'But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,' Mr. Obama said. 'WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE? I DON'T KNOW.'  What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made'" (New York Times, 26 July, 2004).

And, when given the chance to oppose the Iran build-up Obama opted to campaign rather than vote.

 
Run like the post office? So we're overcharged for care that arrives late?


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