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Black SC ministers endorse Hillary

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:12 AM by Mark Murray

From NBC/National Journal's Athena Jones
SPARTANBURG, SC -- Clinton received the endorsement of a group of South Carolina ministers, the vast majority of them black and from the upstate region, here on Tuesday.

About 60 male and female ministers stood behind the New York senator on stage when the announcement was made.

The black vote is especially important in this early voting state; they made up about half of primary voters in the 2004 Democratic primary. The endorsement announcement will likely be spun as a blow for Obama for the simple reason of race. But the Clintons have long been popular in the black community across the nation, and some black voters have expressed concern that Obama cannot win the general election.

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They have not yet but the leaders of my Church, the Church of God in Christ, will likely endorse BILL'S WIFE also. Does not matter because BILL'S WIFE is last on my list of Democrats to vote for. BILL'S WIFE does not have the decency to acknowledge that her stupid vote for this stupid war was a stupid mistake. Nearly 3900 dead and over $500 Billion in treasure. She is the most polarizing of all Democratic candidates. Half of the general electorate can't stand her and will never vote for her. Half of the Dems can't stand her and many of those will never vote for her. If she wins the primary I will likely vote for her but will not ACTIVELY support her. There will be no HILLARY buttons on my Jacket, No Hillary bumper stickers on family cars, and no HILLARY signs in family members front yards. I and my family are voting for a candidate who does not pander to the Black community. But will tell the truth. We, and beleive many Americans, are sick and tire of the Old Washington ways of doing things. BILL and his wife are Integrity Challenged. No we won't be supporting BILL'S WIFE. So tell MAMA we are voting for OBAMA.

BTW Santa Ana you will be interested to know that the majority of those ministers are homophobes.
Hillary's popularity among Black Americans comes from the Clinton nostalga years.   They need to understand that there is this reluctance to even hope that an African American could become president.  If African Americans can get pass that barrier, it is all over for Hillary, regardless of the fact that they may like Bill.    She is not Bill, which is another thing they should get over.   I also, agree that they should not let the Media decide for them before the first vote is cast in Iowa and New Hampshire.    They just may be plesantly  surprised.  

One thing seems to be forgotten here in all of this rehtoric.   Obama himself has said many times that  he has to earn the African American vote and he is not taking that vote for granted and that until he campaigns and they get to know him just like any other candidate  running for President.    The media is trying to make it all Hillary for African Americans.   As far as those Black ministers are concerned, thank goodness a lot of black people think for themselves.  Ministers do not speak for all black people even though that mindset has been perpetuated by the Media and for some reason we cannot break that cycle.  Maybe that was in the Civil Rights era, but this is a new day.   People do read and the internet has opened up the world even for African Americans.
In Newark, NJ in 1969 Ken Gibson ran against the incumbent, Hugh Addonizio.  At a critical point in the campaign, the ministers from most of the largest Black churches endorsed Hugh Addonizio.  Several months later Ken Gibson was elected the first Black Mayor of Newark, NJ with an overwhelming percentage of the Black electorate voting for him.
There is something more powerful than all of the armies in the world...and that is an idea who's time has come....BARACK OBAMA.  
More than 1000 New Hampshire Independents Endorse Obama:

http://campaignsandelections.com/nh/releases/index.cfm?ID=6993
NSMSNBC:  Point taken.  :)
11/5/7, Over 268 Iowa Republicans demonstrated this appeal by publicly announcing their intention to cross party lines to support Barack Obama, believing that Barack is the only candidate of either party who can break the gridlock in Washington.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php


I don't give a rat's ass about these black ministers or hillary; She probably paid for their endorsements. Endorsements means nothing. Votes count. If these so called men of the cloth cannot get people to vote; then these endorsements are useless. As a Black woman, this woman has nothing to offer me, PERIOD.
Obama 08!
I must say it blacks get it. They understand the issues better then anyone. This is a historic chance for them to vote for Obama but  blacks understand he is not the best person running. That is Hillary!
I voted for Clinton twice for President - and I support Hillary.  But the Black populace should understand that Barack Obama has brought legitimacy to African American presidential candidates -
Ohg.
http://thefiresidepost.com/2007/10/11/obama-the-soul-of-black-folk-incarnated/
When the black electorate comes to understand that whites WILL vote for Obama, their fear of disenfranchisement will be assuaged and they will vote for Obama, overwhelmingly.  I have to say, however, that as a Jew, I resent when people assume that we Jews vote monolithically or even have a uniform opinion on Israel.  Therefore I would be reluctant to assume that blacks will vote for Obama simply because he is black.  I just feel that any African-American reluctance to vote for Barack because of fears that their vote will be 'thrown away', will be erased once they appreciate that he is truly a national candidate.
Obama '08
Sam, SPS and apparently, Lynne D:

You are all confusing "honest journalism" with political punditry and opinion.  Every name you have mentioned, including conservative and Republican pundits are unabashedly biased, just like you. It's called an OPINION.

There is not, nor should there be, any attempt on their part to be "honest journalists" in the sense you are seeking. They, like you, fix the facts around the policy.

There is no more reason to expect that they will be "fair" than you would expect if the Nation or Huffington Post commented on a Republican candidate, or anyone else they chose as a target.

But it is possible, and fair, for crackpot Chris to desire to be a multi-millionaire political pundit, author and analyst.  

"Honest journalism" doesn't matter, as you and others prove on a daily basis in this opinion blog. Simply put, you only hear what you want to hear.

Keith Olbermann is an idiot, by the way.  But like Chris Matthews, it's not about "honest journalism".  Like everyone else, he's looking for ratings.  Which helps his quest to become a crackpot multi-millionaire.
And on the subject of the endorsement:

Isn't this a dangerous mix of religion and state?
As a 65 y/o black woman; I would like to see a black president before I die. Seeing a woman as president does not mean as much to be as seeing a black president. All of my life white men have occupied the Oval Office; what a day that would be for my grandchildren to see that black folk can live in the white house.
One of the Clinton supporting reverends, Rev.Brown, was quoted saying,

"We don't need to be filling our heads with hopes and dreams."



What a horrible cynical message to give young african american people everywhere.

'Don't even bother to hope, kids. Dreams? Garbage.'

Maybe MLK should have started his speech with:
"I have a dream...but i know it won't come true, so why bother trying....g'night, all."

These so-called preachers -- one even decried us having hopes and dreams.

Wonder what he would have said to Dr. King's "I have A Dream Speech."

These people are supposed to be leaders in the black communities probably live way, way out in the burbs -- pinching the pennies from the poor, while the black communities tear at the seams.

Their endorsements mean squat. I am not a big fan of endorsements -- whether it is Oprah, Bill Clinton, or Congress people.

I want to make up my own mind after getting all the facts -- that means putting a little hard work into reading about and listening to the candidates offer their views.
Let's be real about this endorsement... (Though no one will probably take the time to read this.) There is an element of defeatism and subjugation that still exists in the Black community.  Many black people think that Barack cannot win a general election, so they're simply reluctant (afraid?) to support him.  I hear it all the time, "'They' (whoever that is) won't let a black man run things."  Unfortunately, even in 2007, the second-class citizen mindset has been firmly and wholeheartedly embraced by many in the black community.  How else could you explain how a political demographic would so significantly fragment and refuse to understand that they have sufficient power to heavily influence, if not determine, the outcome of this Presidential race?    Instead of seriously considering this fact, Barack, who has more-than-adequate credentials to take on the Republican nominee has been prematurely dismissed as being "wet behind the ears."  Who among the Republican candidates, save John McCain has tremendous, if any, foreign policy experience? Barack also rivals, if not exceeds Republicans on domestic issues.  The "experience" issue is a red herring...  No candidate knows all they need to know to be "President on day one," or any of the nonsense being floated around out there.  We elect human beings, not omniscient beings.  That's why advisors exist.  People with sound judgement surround themselves with sound advisors. [The antithesis of G.W. Bush.] Furthermore, lest I be accused of saying that Barack should be supported because of his race, let me stat, unequivocally, that I believe the the best candidate should be supported, regardless of race.  However, instead of going off of what the media tells you, research for yourself before relinquishing your political influence... I'm simply amazed at how people are willing to live with the wool over their eyes.   Ignorance can no longer be bliss.
These blacks in South Carolina don't get it. They are stuck in a time warp.
Edmonsky in Sac, As an African American I agree with you 100%. The more so called black leaders support Hillary the more Obama wins the hearts and minds of the grass roots voters. Al Sharpton is for Hillary also but she has begged him to stay quiet with his endorsement which will only sway more white voters towards Obama.  If Obama wins Iowa and he will then most African American voters who wronglfully doubt his electability will then be convinced that he can win the general election.  
South Carolina Rev. Timothy Brown, of Cleveland Chapel in Spartanburg, in endorsing Senator Clinton said... "We need to look for a leader that is ready to lead right now," Brown said. "We don't need to be filling our heads with hopes and dreams."

And there it is, the defining ignorance of our time. I'm sorry to hear a minister in the Black community denounce "hope and dreams" in favor of supporting the tired and antiquated status quo. The status quo that has done more over the last quarter century to divide this country along racial, social and economic lines, stalling and/or regressing the condition of the middle class in this country and criminally neglecting our poorer communities. If change is indeed the mantra of this election, recognizing our country's urgent need to stop the "politics as usual" so that we can create a new dawn of governing that actually works "for the people," then we all need to have the courage to embrace those who represent true and sincere change. We all need to have the audacity to hope and dream much like the signers of the Declaration of Independence did, slavery abolitionist did, women suffragist did, the allies against Hitler did, civil rights activists did, as JFK, Martin and RFK did. Hopes and dreams that challenged fear, indecisiveness, complacency and defeatism. History has shown us that hopes and dreams are what inspire change and bring about revolutionary ideas, advancements, empowerment and justice. That's why it's a such a shame to hear someone like Rev. Timothy Brown ridicule the need for and faith in "hope and dreams"... but that's probably because he and those he speaks for have lost their ability to do either.
Dear Keith; Would It be asking to much, could you post, our say on your show the IQ's and SAT scores of all the Presidental candidates, I think Hillary comes out head an shoulders above the rest! PS Prove me wrong if you can? Thank you Roderick


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