I went into last night's debate supporting Rudy and came out supporting Romney.  I was pleasantly surprised how strong and presidential Romney was in responding to attacks from others.  I admit, Rudy had a bad night.

And Huckabee was entertaining, but at the end of the day, he is weak on national security and hasn't ditched his big-government tax-increasing ways.

mitt-flop has ran his whole campaign the same way---he talks out of both sides of his face----he says one thing with one side--and flip flops on the other side.This guy has a talent to debate himself.

Some major congressional news today as well, with Republicans finally getting a top recruit in a Senate race in Louisiana. But they also lost a candidate in one of New Jersey's open seats. Full rundown: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/11/congressional-republicans-lose.html

TO MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE:

Chuck Hagel in the New York Observer:

“Now, Joe Biden: I’m very close to Joe Biden’s philosophy about foreign policy. I suppose of all the candidates out there, including McCain, I’m probably closer to Joe Biden. I think Biden would be a very good president.”

During these ruminations, Mr. Hagel also complained about the brevity required of the candidates during debates and about the media’s concentration on the presumed front-runners.

Deriding the style of the debates as resembling a “poor man’s Gong Show”, he asserted that the candidates “haven’t had the chance, most of them, to articulate the depth of a philosophy about foreign policy.

“On the Democratic side, the media just pays attention to three candidates—Hillary and Obama and Edwards. So guys who actually have something to say, like Biden and Dodd—not that the other three don’t—but those guys get shoved off into the background and they are lucky to get 30 seconds of anything.”

REPUBLICANS - let's get together and elect BIDEN.

BIDEN/HAGEL '08

This is absolute nonsense. It's a shame that Alan Keyes was excluded from last night's debate-- we need someone to talk some sense into these people!

"Mitt-flopped".  Gotta love it.

for all who realize that presidentail contenders from both parties don't have a clue, I am your write in candidate.  I promise anything and everything but will deliver nothing, alas, i am the only honest dishonest person running.  the others will lie and promise anything to anybody but will not admit it.  none of them will admit that they cannot deliver anything.  i am the only honest dishonest hope to be president.  i can cannot be bought by big money interest and will honestly say so.  i will willnot protect the constitution and all your rights(if the big money interest say its ok) so write me in and you will all be saved locked up and the key thrown away.  i am the only honest dishonest person to turn to in the face of the fiasco candidates running.  a vote for me is a waste but so is any other vote but i am the only one honest enough to say so.  so write in honest dishonest

How is it that it's 5:30 est, and First read has yet to mention the 3 plants among last night questioners?

I've a question for Gen. Kerr: You came out after retiring from the military, and so embraced "don't ask, don't tell" for 42 years. Aren't you proof that a gay man can have a successful military career?

Mitt Romney has a clear and consistant message.  He is the man I would like to see negotiating with foreign powers.  We saw his strength under attacke in last nights debates.

And as for the Log Cabin Republicans, of course a gay group would prefer Guiliani who has dressed in drag for the gay parade and hosted gay events at his mansion not to mention he moved in with a couple of gay friends when his marriage went on the skids.  He is not electable with main stream Republicans!

Ha - the flip-flopping accusation is just a proxy for ill-will towards a person.  If the voting populace has ill-will towards Mitt the flip-flop label will stick  (as it did w/ Kerry).  

My guess is that people will respond the way IA, NH and SC has and embrace him in spite of the flip-flop accusations.  Just consider the alternatives: Rudy (running as a conservative?!)  Thompson (unfrozen caveman candidate) and Huckabee (praise the Lord and pass the weak sauce!).  I don't buy it.  All I can say is, I hope OBAMA wins the nomination.  Otherwise, we'll all be praying to the Mormon Christ (who apparently isn't a Christian :) ).  

By the way, let me preempt the Ron Paul internet following by saying how awesome he is.  He is awesome.  There, will you leave us alone?

Now that the Log Cabin Republicans are attacking Mitt Romney, I am definitely voting for Romney.

I am sick and tired of mainstream media telling the veiwers that rudy giulani is the only candidate that can beat Hillary clinton. Mitt Romney has a very good chance of beating her.Mainstrem is dictating who will win. Do nt count mitt Romney out. When the votes are counted thats when we knoe.

After reviewing the ad, I'd like to see some facts to back up their claims.  It is very easy to make inflammatory statements about any candidate, particularly with the anonymity provided by the internet and political ads.  It has been my experience this type of output is either heavily distorted or a outright lie!  Show us the facts!!    

 Don't you just love CNN and MSNBC, if you don't want illegal immigrants in this country; they call you hate mongers or anti immigrant.

 We are not anti immigrant we just want people who enter our country to do it legally.  Why is that so hard to understand.  We want our borders secured.  We want to know who is in our country. Businesses who hire illegal immigrants should be punished. We want the drug flow stopped and most of all WE WANT OUR LAWS ENFORCED.

Just a bunch of old fart "rich" Republicans.

Repugnicants skewering each other.
Mmmmmm, tastes like chickenhawk.

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Not supporting a woman's right to choose is completely out of line with libertarian ideals (and true conservative ideals as well -- Goldwater was pro-choice).  It's an area in which government has no business interfering.  I like Ron Paul in every other respect, but I cannot reconcile this one serious flaw in his ideology.  The way politicians discuss their religion in this country is embarrassing.  It's a personal issue that has no bearing on leadership and no place in the public sphere.  It's like a public display of affection -- no can criticize a couple for being fond of each other, but please, get a room.  As a traditional conservative and an agnostic, I am having a tough time finding a candidate in either party.

Mitt Romney was clearly the most attacked candidate in the debate.  At the same time, he defended his position just as strongly if not stronger than the other candidates who were attacked less.  I think that he is beginning to be seen by the other candidates as the one to beat.  Also, he is not an instant-changer of his opinions and positions on issues, but his record, which I have researched, shows that he has gradually changed over the last number of years.  I think he is the strongest candidate.

Here is a great article of why Romney's religion shouldn't be a factor in the upcoming presidential elections.
People of Paradox
Filed in American History , Western Religion , A-Featured , Politics , Media , Religion on November 7, 2007 | Share This
Terryl L. Givens is Professor of Literature and Religion and James A. Bostwick Chair of English at the University of Richmond. His newest book, People of Paradox: A History of Mormon Culture not only traces the development of Mormon culture from Joseph Smith through today, but also looks at Mormon culture in the context of society at large. In the article below Givens uses Mormon history to elucidate why discussion of Presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s religion is irrelevant.
On the 10th of September, 1846, the bombardment began and continued sporadically for three days. As many as 800 (some Mormons said 1800) U.S militiamen and area citizens with six pieces of canon had surrounded the virtually deserted city of Nauvoo, Illinois. The two to three hundred remaining Mormons converted some steamboat shafts to canon and threw up barricades in a feeble attempt to survive. After a stubborn resistance by the besieged, and a daring sortie that brought temporary respite but at a cost of three Mormon lives, the combatants signed an agreement of capitulation on September 16th. By October, the Mormon temple in Nauvoo—finished at such tremendous sacrifice even while persecutions raged—was desecrated, the beautiful city that had recently rivaled Chicago in size was a shell of its former self, and the last weary and infirm Mormons had joined their fellow believers in forcible exile. They left behind not just the “City of Joseph,” but the very borders of the United States of America.
At almost the same time and thousands of miles away, the Mormon Battalion, a group of Mormon volunteers, trudged toward  Santa Fe to rendezvous with the federal Army of the West on their way to fight the Mexican War. On October 9th the battalion arrived, and Colonel Alexander Doniphan of the Missouri Mounted Volunteers ordered a one-hundred gun salute to honor the Mormons for their loyalty to the United States. They had just completed the longest march in American military history, on behalf of a government from whose territory they had just been expelled at cannon-point.
It is one of the great paradoxes of the Mormon experience in the nineteenth century that the American flag suggested to the Latter-day Saints both promise and oppression; it was both an emblem of God’s purpose and designs and bitter ensign of a nation that expelled, disenfranchised, and persecuted them.
Today, the situation is markedly different, yet the paradox persists in modified form. The Latter-day Saints express as one of their Articles of Faith, an unswerving devotion to patriotism and civic duty (Article 12). Mormon teachings ascribe to America a providential role in world history and even in millennial events. One Mormon scripture proclaims this a “land choice above all others” (Ether 2:15). Another Mormon scripture, certainly unique in the canons of Holy Writ, makes the specific claim that the Constitution of the United States had been established “by the hands of wise men whom [God] raised up unto this very purpose” (D&C 101:80D&C 101:80). Yet in the looming election, the question recurs: can a Mormon president be loyal to the country and constitution first?
Good reasons may exist to question the qualifications or judgments of Mormons or any other candidate this year. Yet it seems ironic that the candidate with the most explicit theological grounds for special loyalty to the American constitution and rule of law, is the only candidate whose theological attachments are singled out as possible disqualifiers for presidential office.
Mormon culture has thrived on this and kindred paradoxes. A church that embodies hierarchy and centralized authority surpassing that of the Catholics while celebrating a conception of individualism and agency that in some regards surpass Pelagius. A religion filled with the rhetoric and promise of theological certainty, which at the same time conceives of salvation as an educative process that will reach into the eternities. And a people whose isolation from the mainstream is marked in blood and history, reflected in a language of exceptionalism and difference, and reified by architecture and physical space, even as that same people aspires to search out, proselytize, and bind together the entire human family living and dead.
It could be that to call these conflicting tendencies in Mormon culture paradox is to resort to euphemism for what is really the simple inconsistency so often at the heart of human ways of ordering experience. Or paradox could be a sign of immaturity, an indication that Mormon ways of articulating their values and preferences have not yet found a synthesis free of fault lines. In any event, exploring the ambiguities and tensions at the heart of Mormon culture reveals a faith tradition more complex and multi-dimensional than the caricatures often generated by the simplistic language of sound-bites and presidential campaigns.
The odyssey of the Mormon faith in American history is perhaps in this case the greatest paradox of all. The church has gone from being a public enemy to be exterminated, in the words of a 19th century Missouri governor, to the quintessential American religion, in the view of more recent observers. The status of Mitt Romney as a contender for the presidential ticket is a sign of that progress. That his religion is, in the eyes of many, a potential disqualifier for that office, is a sign of progress yet to be made.

I am a Republican, and I think no one will beat Hillary unless she makes major mistakes.

"Mitt-flopped". I agree with Bob in Denver, you gotta love it.

Were the Log Cabin Republicans commenting on Romney as Governor or sending a subliminal meassage about something else?

Also to: Drew Tucker, San Diego, CA

You stated:

"I went into last night's debate supporting Rudy and came out supporting Romney."

Isn't that a flip-flop?

Giuliani may have done an "amazing" job by standing next to the real heroes of NY during and after 9/11.  Romney however ran the Winter Olympics just weeks after the attacks.  He turned around a failing and corrupt system that was grossly over budget and propelled it beautifully into the international spotlight.  He ran a highly successful international event while the rest of the country was in full panic mode.  He was able to do this for one reason, he is a good leader.  His job is taking corrupt and failing businesses and fixing them.  Hmmm... That sounds like what Washington DC needs.

I live in Utah and worked security during the Winter Olympics.  I am not a Mormon.  I have worked with many Mormons in my career and have consistently found them to be honest and hard working with a deep respect for God and Country.  The idea that Mormons are not Christian is preposterous.  The word "Mormon" was a derogatory nickname.  The actual title of the religious group is, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints".  They take the sacrament every Sunday and are organized with deacons, priests and bishops.  Bigotry and prejudice is a nasty thing.  Race, religion, gender should not be qualifying factors or disqualifying factors.  I will not vote for Hillary Clinton but it has nothing to do with her being a female.  I will not vote for Giuliani but it has nothing to do with him being male.  Obama I could vote for but it has nothing to do with him being African American.  However, if Romney is on the ballet, he will get my vote.  I have seen him in action. I.E. really doing something to solve real issues rather than just standing next to the real heroes while they get their picture taken.  

Giuliani, the 9/11 candidate that didn't even read the report.  Romney is the real 9/11 candidate.

I am voting for the President of the United States, not the leader of my church.  Mitt Romney is a moral man that has values similar to mine.  He will be tough on illegal immigration and great for the economy.

Just a quick comment to jmf las vegas, nv:

It does not matter to me if you do not vote for Romney.  That is your right at a citizen of this country.  However, I am disappointed that you would imply that Mormons are not Christians.  Please consider the following facts:

Mormons accept the Bible as scripture.
The name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
The word saint denotes someone who is trying to follow Jesus Christ.
The Book of Mormon clearly states that no man can be saved without Jesus Christ.
Our leaders continually ask us to follow the commandments given by Jesus Christ.

I imagine many people disapprove of our faith because our view of Christ is slightly different.  In particular, we believe that God and Jesus are separate beings because Jesus prayed to God, and because Stephen had a vision which showed Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55).  We also believe that Jesus Christ has a resurrected body.  When Jesus returned to his disciples he stated "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath no flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39).  He later ascended into heaven.  Many of the saints also emerged from their graves and it is noted in Phillipians 3:20-21 that our resurection will be in the image of Christ's.  

Of course, people will disagree with our perspective and I will support their right to do so 100%.  I only ask in return that others will do the same.

Just a quick comment to jmf las vegas, nv:

It does not matter to me if you do not vote for Romney.  That is your right at a citizen of this country.  However, I am disappointed that you would imply that Mormons are not Christians.  Please consider the following facts:

Mormons accept the Bible as scripture.
The name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
The word saint denotes someone who is trying to follow Jesus Christ.
The Book of Mormon clearly states that no man can be saved without Jesus Christ.
Our leaders continually ask us to follow the commandments given by Jesus Christ.

I imagine many people disapprove of our faith because our view of Christ is slightly different.  In particular, we believe that God and Jesus are separate beings because Jesus prayed to God, and because Stephen had a vision which showed Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55).  We also believe that Jesus Christ has a resurrected body.  When Jesus returned to his disciples he stated "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath no flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39).  He later ascended into heaven.  Many of the saints also emerged from their graves and it is noted in Phillipians 3:20-21 that our resurection will be in the image of Christ's.  

Of course, people will disagree with our perspective and I will support their right to do so 100%.  I only ask in return that others will do the same.

Just a quick comment to jmf las vegas, nv:

It does not matter to me if you do not vote for Romney.  That is your right at a citizen of this country.  However, I am disappointed that you would imply that Mormons are not Christians.  Please consider the following facts:

Mormons accept the Bible as scripture.
The name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
The word saint denotes someone who is trying to follow Jesus Christ.
The Book of Mormon clearly states that no man can be saved without Jesus Christ.
Our leaders continually ask us to follow the commandments given by Jesus Christ.

I imagine many people disapprove of our faith because our view of Christ is slightly different.  In particular, we believe that God and Jesus are separate beings because Jesus prayed to God, and because Stephen had a vision which showed Jesus standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55).  We also believe that Jesus Christ has a resurrected body.  When Jesus returned to his disciples he stated "Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath no flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39).  He later ascended into heaven.  Many of the saints also emerged from their graves and it is noted in Phillipians 3:20-21 that our resurection will be in the image of Christ's.  

Of course, people will disagree with our perspective and I will support their right to do so 100%.  I only ask in return that others will do the same.

Mormons are Christians that is news to me They don't belive in the Trinity, they belive they will become gods and take there wifes up ther and have sex with them making spirit children, is that christian doctrine also ask a mormopn where is God from they will tell you he lives on Kolob with his wifes having sex and making spirit children, I just wonder is kolob next to krypton where superman lives?

WHAT DO MORMONS BELIEVE?

Mormons are some of the most exemplary human beings, especially in regard to their behavior patterns and their adherence to the fundamental values of our society. But their religious beliefs are, to put is simply, wrong. They believe that an angel named Moroni left some gold tablets in upstate New York and that these tablets were discovered by a man named Joseph Smith. From these tablets, Joseph Smith "translated" the Book of Mormon, which is the foundation upon which Mormonism is built. Mormons also consider two other books, Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price, to be divinely inspired.

Mormonism differs from biblical Christianity in several areas. Mormons do not believe, for example, that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Mormons must work their way to heaven. (B. R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine (Salt Lake City:1958), p. 191.)

Mormonism teaches that God is not the only deity and that we all have the potential of becoming gods. (Ibid., p. 576.) (Remember that Satan's fall came about because he wanted to be like God.) God, according to Mormons, is not just Spirit but has "a body of flesh and bones as tangible as a man's." (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22.) They teach, "As we are, he was. As he is, we shall become." (Joseph Smith, "The King Follett Discourse," p. 9.) There has been constant revision of Mormon doctrine over the years, as church leaders have changed their minds on a number of subjects including polygamy, which was once sanctioned by the church.

In summary, the Mormon church is a prosperous, growing organization that has produced many people of exemplary character. But when it comes to spiritual matters, the Mormons are far from the truth.

If you really want to know Mormon doctrine, here are their basic beliefs distilled down to what they call their “Articles of Faith”.  Again, I’m not a Mormon.  I live around them and have looked into their beliefs.  Studying religion is a hobby of mine.  I added a brief clarification of what they actually mean.  If you have any questions, just google "Mormon Articles of Faith".

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Well, they believe in the Trinity, just not that God is one being with three aspects.  

They belive that God is three distinct beings.  The early Christian bishops produced the Nicene Creed in 325AD, which declared that Jesus Christ was "of one substance with the Father."  They did this because they didn’t want Jesus to be a second God and therefore tie Christianity to the polytheistic beliefs of the time.  If the vote of 318 bishops had gone the other way, the Trinity would be three beings with one aspect, rather than one being with three aspects.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

No original sin.  Life is not evil.  At eight years old you have a choice to be baptized and confirmed a member of the church.  The confirmation also includes a part where the ‘gift of the holy spirit” is given to you so that God will help guide your actions.

3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

People are saved by BOTH faith and works.  You can’t have faith in God and be a jerk.  You also can’t be just a nice person and not have faith in God.  Salvation is through Christ.  Mormons don’t have big crosses because they believe the REAL sacrifice of Christ was paying for our sins in the garden, not that he died on the cross.  They kind of think that wearing a cross is the equivalent of wearing a pistol around your neck because someone shot your best friend.  The death wasn’t the gift, the life was.  Interesting concept but it makes a lot of Christians angry that they don’t wear crosses or have big crosses on their churches.

4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is the basic plan for salvation.  First and foremost is faith in Jesus.  Second is to STOP SINNING!  Three is to ask forgiveness from God.  Fourth is to ask that God be with you all of the time to help you be a good person.

5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

God is not dead.  God calls people to act today, not just thousands of years ago.

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

Christ organized the church and they stick to that organization.  That includes apostles and prophets.  
God hasn’t changed just because society has.  Why would God just stop having prophets?

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

God will cause miracles to happen.  God did them in the past and continues to do them today.

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

They believe in the Bible but think that there are mistranslations in the many revisions.  The King James Version of the Bible is just that, a version.  That also happens to be the version that the Mormons believe is the most accurate.  They also believe that God gave truth to other people around the world, not just in the middle east.  That’s where the Book of Mormon came from.  It’s organized very similar to the bible.  The second to the last book of it was written by a man named Mormon.  His son, wrote the final and named the entire compilation after his father.

9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

Man kind does not know everything about God.  God will continue to reveal important “clarifications” to the way the church is to be run.  Up until 40ish years ago, African Americans couldn’t hold the Priesthood.  The Prophet asked God why they couldn’t and God basically said, “I was waiting for you to ask that.  There isn’t any reason they can’t.  Earthly society just wasn’t ready to accept it until now.”  Poof, African Americans can hold the Priesthood now.

10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

This is the gathering of Zion thing.  One little known fact is that all Mormons are adopted into a tribe of Israel in a ceremony called a patriarchal blessing.  I think they kind of wish that the state of Israel had been created in America, not in the middle east.  There would have been so much less warfare if that had happened instead at the end of world war 2.  This also has to do with an idea similar to the rapture.  The earth will be purified an Christ will be in charge.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

Freedom of religion.  You worship your way, they worship their way.  They count on God guiding peoples actions via the Holy Spirit.  

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

If you live in a country, follow the law.  If the country needs defended, join the military.  If something is made illegal, I.E. polygamy, don’t do it anymore.

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

If something is “good” do it.  Don’t wait to be told by God to do something that is good.  Work in charities, feed the poor, be a good member of your community.  

I like Mitt early on, but the more I examine him, the more I see how his positions have changed over and over again.  He was a strong supporter of abortion & gay right, gun control and was pretty much soft/neutral on immigration.  

THEN, he decided to run for president.  Suddenly, he's strongly against abortion, gay rights, gun control and he's taking the "strongest" stance against illegal immigration.  He's too phony, in my opinion.  I couldn't care less what religion he is.  I do care that he's been caught on video changing his position, depending on which office he's running for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4&feature=related

My favorite part of the debate the other night?  When Anderson Cooper said, "Governor Romney, in your debate with Ted Kennedy in 1994, you said you dreamed of the day that gays would be able to serve openly in the military.  Do you still dream of that day?"  Mitt stuttered and stammered and looked about as uncomfortable as a Klansman at an NAACP rally.  And of course, he took the Hillary Clinton route and refused to answer the question.

I like Huckabee more and more.  He's can't afford consultants, he just speaks openly and honestly from the heart.  I don't agree with some of his opinions, but at least I can respect his answers.  He's not afraid to be honest, no matter what the political cost.  

Why Mormons Are Not Christian.

First: Mormons do not follow or believe in the historic Jesus Christ of the Bible, but rather in a difference Jesus. This is why most Biblical Christians emphatically insist that Mormons are not Christians. Let me explain.

The god of the Mormons is not the God of the Bible. To the Mormons, Jesus is the firstborn son of an exalted "man" who became the god of this world. The man-god of Mormonism was made the god of this world because of his good works on another planet somewhere out in the universe. He "earned" godhood, and was thus appointed by a counsel of gods in the heavens to his high position as the god of planet Earth. The Mormon god of this world was a man, like all men, who became a god. This is what the celestial marriage and the temple vows are all about. LDS men, by doing their temple work, are striving for exaltation by which they, too, shall one day become gods. Their wives will be the mother goddesses of "their" world and with their husband will produce the population of their world. This is the Mormon doctrine of "eternal progression."

Note the following quote from the Mormon Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, page 123, made by the LDS Apostle Orson Hyde:

"Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, a mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point were He is."

Lorenzo Snow, late President of the Mormon church, made this statement in the second verse of his famous poem entitled, "Man's Destiny":

"As Abra'm, Isaac, Jacob, too, babes, then men--to gods they grew. As man now is, our God once was; As now God is, so man may be,-- Which doth unfold man's destiny. . ."

The God of the Bible is not an exalted man. The God of the Bible is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. The Bible says He is the only God and there are no other Gods. He had no beginning or end and he is a spirit being and never was a man.

Note the clear teaching of the Bible as to who the real God is:

Numbers 23:19, "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Psalms 102:26-27, "They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."

Isaiah 43:10-11, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour."

Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Isaiah 44:8, "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Isaiah 45:21-22, "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

Jeremiah 23:24, "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."

Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."

John 1:16-18, "And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Romans 1:22, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"

1 Timothy 1:17, "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Timothy 6:16, "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

Clearly, Mormonism's god is not the God of Christianity who is the God revealed to us in the Bible. The Mormon god is a god formed from the imaginations of Joseph Smith, and in truth is a false, non-existent god or idol.

Second: The Jesus Christ of Mormonism is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

The Mormon Jesus is the son of this man-god. The Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, and according to LDS teaching, he married several of the Marys of the New Testament. He is not, to the LDS church, "God incarnate" as the Bible plainly states. Clearly, the Mormon god and Jesus are not the true

The problem with Mitt Romney is in most cases he gives a good or "expected" answer as any politician does, but Romney is part of a complex culture that does much to obscure its true positions.  Learn more about Mitt Romney and his positions in a series of academic articles regarding his politics, faith, and culture.

http://www.ExposeRomney.com

Romney's problem is not his religion.  As this ad points out, its his changing on almost every issue.  Someone does not change their mind so often especially on such sacred American issues as taxes, abortion, and gun ownership and gay rights.

Someone who changes their mind so often on such issues where I come from is called an "opportunist" and will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.  It sounds to me like Romney is this type of person and will put his finger to the wind every time he needs to make a decision just in order to be loved...or elected.

Hey, I don't know about you folks but I had enough of this kind of president in Bill Clinton.  I sure don't want to go down that route again!

Jared- thank you for giving the most accurate account of our beliefs by a non-Mormon that I have ever read.  

John- as Jared pointed out, Mormons believe in the Godhead (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit)- who make up the trinity.  however the "trinity" was defined by a group of men commissioned by Constantine in the 4th century.  We believe they are separate individuals (for example, when Jesus was baptized, he was in the water with John, while witnesses heard God's voice from Heaven and saw the Spirit in the form of a dove.  Christ sits at the right hand of God, etc.  These are all stated in the Christian Bible).  We simply interpret the Bible's teachings differently from other Christian denominations.  Robert, I could site as many scriptures that support our point of view as you did arguing against it, but what is the point?  You believe one way, I believe another, and that's ok (as Jared pointed out with our 11th article of faith).

Robert, Mormons do not believe that it is solely through our actions that we get into heaven.  The quote by Bruce McConkie was out of context.  James chapter 2 says that faith without works is dead.  We believe that only through Christ are we saved- but just saying you believe isn't enough- you have to behave in a way that demonstrates you believe.  If I claim I am saved and then go out and break the commandments, I'm not following God's commandments.  Christ suffered for my sins- that is how I'm saved- but he also taught me to repent and come unto him.  This just makes sense.

Mormons do not teach that Christ was married.  He might have been, but no scripture (Bible or otherwise) teaches that. The only apostle in Christ's time that was definitely married was Peter- the Bible talks about his mother-in-law, so he must have been.

Robert, while I appreciate that you are researching other people's beliefs, doing so to find ways to rip it apart is hateful.  I find other people's beliefs fascinating and believe that if their faith helps them to be better people, then I'm all for it, whatever sect they choose.

I respect your right to believe in God however you choose.  I don't blog telling the world why I think you're wrong. Why must you? Could I debate about the truthfulness of other people's religions?  I suppose, but Christ taught (in the Christian Bible) to "Love one Another". Try it!

Gary, Drew says the debate changed his mind about who to support.  You say that makes him a flip flopper... so have you never changed your mind in your life?  Or become more educated on a subject to the extent that your point of view or opinion regarding the subject changed?  That's human nature.  "They" say that everything you need to know you learn in Kindergarden... that may be true to a degree, but those ideas do evolve into more mature understanding.

If people (including politicians) never changed their minds or developed more informed opinions, we would still believe the world was flat, etc.

Romney has changed his mind on some issues, but his current positions have been in place for a few years at least. But in each case that he has been accused of "flip flopping", he has only flipped one direction (not back and forth like Kerry did), and he has explained what circumstances he experienced that changed his opinion (ex, bill on stem cell research changed his official position on abortion, although he was personally always against it, his observation that "don't ask don't tell" is working showed him that his earlier opinion that it wouldn't work was wrong, etc.)

Unless you have never changed your mind on anything in your life, then it's time to move on from the flip flopping platform and find a different ax to grind.

Mormons are a Cult

Joseph Smith stated the following:
"For instance, the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness, at once, and immediately, although every soul of them should repent, obey the Gospel, and do right from this day forward. . . . Cain and his posterity must wear the mark, which God put upon them; and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller’s soap every day, they cannot wash away God’s mark; The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were cursed with a skin of darkness … yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness, that not many generations shall pass away before they shall become a white and delightsome people; but it will take some time to accomplish this at best.
Source: The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418

Mormons Belive that Adam is Our god
President Brigham Young's Teaching

Here we have the name/titles of the three creation Gods. Except for Michael the identities of Eloheem and Jehovah are not spelled out. Brigham Young mentioned, "It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael . . ." (Journal of Discourses 1:51, 9 April 1852).

In this same discourse (as published) President Brigham Young said:

When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. . . . the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. . . . When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, their bodies became mortal from its effects, and therefore their offspring were mortal" (Journal of Discourses 1:50, emphasis in original).
Joseph Lee Robinson also recorded what Brigham Young taught:

Oct. 6th. Attended conference, a very interesting conference, for at this meeting President Brigham Young said thus, that Adam and Eve were the names of the first man and woman of every earth that was ever organized and that Adam and Eve were the natural father and mother of every spirit that comes to this planet, or that received tabernacles on this planet, consequently we are brother and sisters, and that Adam was God, or Eternal Father" (Joseph Lee Robinson Journal, 6-8 Oct. 1854, LDS archives, typed copy).

erin mcpike is the best journalist in america, and i know her personally!

Mormons are a Cult

Mormons do belive Jesus and Lucifer are brothers as always they are now Flip Flopping like Mitt Romney!

D & C 76:25-27
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an aangel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who brebelled against the Only Begotten cSon whom the Father dloved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
 26 And was called aPerdition, for the heavens bwept over him—he was cLucifer, a son of the morning.
 27 And we beheld, and lo, he is afallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!

Wow, Robert. You are one sad pathetic bigot. It must be hell for you to live in Salt Lake City with so much hatred for your neighbors.

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