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Obama's veiled swipes picked right up

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:26 PM by Domenico Montanaro

EDITOR'S NOTE: First Read was on scene for Obama's speech and would have posted earlier had it not been for the hostage situation at the Clinton campaign office in Rochester, N.H.

From NBC’s Abby Livingston
For so long, it seemed that Obama’s attacks on Hillary flew over the heads of his audiences. Using her name in his stump and addressing her personally at debates were watershed moments in his campaign. Today at the DNC fall meeting, again, he did not mention her name. He did not have to. The audience comprised of the party insiders, candidate supporters and political junkies, caught each and every one of his Hillary allusions.
 
Obama supporters cheered when he said, “And the only mission that was ever accomplished was to use fear and falsehood to take this country into a war that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged.” People fidgeted when he used the word "triangulation." And gasps were audible when Obama said, “I'm running for president because I'm sick and tired of Democrats thinking that the only way to look tough on national security is by talking and acting and voting like George Bush Republicans.”

The morning was a good barometer on base support. The Democratic audience received Richardson's speech much like a college lecture. Polite, listening, clapping, and interest despite toe tapping from young Obama supporters standing against the wall. Following Richardson, it was at times difficult to hear Edwards due to the cheering from his section of supporters. Although they had coveted seats in the overflowing room, they stood for most of his speech and waved Edwards 2008 placards.
 
But Obama’s speech stood out. When he spoke, the room was akin to a high school pep rally on the eve of a rival game. One Obama supporter went so far as to apologize to this transcribing reporter for the pandemonium. During one of his introductory lines, Obama said, "The question to ask yourselves when you vote is, 'What is next for America?'" To which a female supporter stood up and screamed, "Barack Obama!"
 
Because Hillary’s appearance was canceled due to the hostage situation, it is unfortunate that there is no way to compare the two leading candidates’ receptions in front of the audience of party faithful.

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Hillary can't win a national election. Obama is the best hope to defeat the bigots.
Chuck in San Diego: I think there goes your 'only Republicans' support Obama argument, one which I'm not sure why you are making.  He sounds like a candidate who is able to gather Democrat, Moderate and Republican support, all while not necessarily being a centrist or a triangulator.  Sounds like the perfect Democratic nominee and a uniter.
I am personally glad to see the hostage situation resolved peacefully.  I am no fan of hillary's but, this is not the time to trash her tonight. 5 young people were in grave danger.
I saw obama this morning and he was on fire.  And the rise in the level of noise went up high as soon as his name was introduced.
I do not know if it is a Media created feeling or not, but I really think that Obama is going to win, and I am not sad about that. Every other election year that I can remember there was always a sense of hopelessness.--Of picking the lesser of two evils( A ridiculous situation considering the number of talented people in the United States)

Not this year. We have a hope in Lincoln returned, Obama. Obama.  Obama.
FR: For so long, it seemed that Obama’s attacks on Hillary flew over the heads of his audiences.

Well, they are kind of dense. They are Democrats.
Obama is indeed a politician.  He's able to go negative on his own party and Republicans at the same time.

So, why is this man considered "fresh" or "new"?
I live in New Hampshire and belong to several groups of young political Independents who say the tight race between Obama and Clinton will compel many of them to come out and vote Obama on primary day, by a ratio of almost 3 to 1. Just you watch. There is a groundswell of not only young first time Democratic voters but Independents as well who will tip this towards Obama. I've heard similar stories from friends in Iowa and South Carolina. The polls are not reflecting this, but it is out there and it's real.

So be ready America. There will be a big surprise come primary day. Obama'08
Tammy Granger, you live in Muncie not Munice.  And Obama supporters are dumb, right?

That is just wrong, but since you went that far....if Democrats are dumb, then what are Republicans?  Brain dead?
Obama will win this race.  Just wait and see.

Just can't tell from these blogs because it is always the same ten people commenting.  BORING!
Barack Obama was indeed electrifying. I cannot think of a better Democratic Nominee for President of the United States. I do see some pieces of Lincoln, and Kennedy inside his heart. The hope of a better tomarrow, and a better future for our children. I do believe Obama is going to win this thing, and he is going to win big!
Also my condolences to the Clinton Campaign in New Hampshire. No one should have to go through that ordeal.
In the light of the 2008 Presidential Elections, I say welcome President Barack Obama!
I recall a time in this blog just after Joe Biden had made a speech on his idea of splitting Iraq into a three state federation, three out of five responders were going to support Biden. So trying to get a feel for the race from this blog is useless because most of us have already made up our minds which makes us prejudiced. we cheer when our candidate makes a good speech and remain silent when it is someone else.What did surprise me just after Obama and Edwards piled onto Clnton during the debate, when she retaliated the next day they accused her of attacking THEM. See I am prejudiced toward Clinton.
Glad the hostage situation resolved itself peacefully.  What a fantastic hope we have in Barack Obama!  I am so excited, for the first time in years, to vote for a president of the United States.
Hillary's been touting her healthcare plan as superior to Senator Barack Obama's, and even went so far as to call Obama's plan a "betrayal" of Democratic values. So let's get real—Hillarycare won't cover any American if it doesn't pass Congress. When universal healthcare is signed into law, it will be the largest expansion of government power since social security passed in 1935. If Democrats in Iowa don't trust her, how is Hillary going to build a bipartisan majority in Congress to pass her plan?

My firm belief, as a Democrat, is that Hillary Clinton cannot pass universal healthcare.

But let's get to this "mandate" nonsense. Senator Clinton is arguing that the only way to get every American covered is if you force every American to buy healthcare. Unfortunately, she hasn't told anybody how she would enforce this mandate. So until she clarifies what exactly she intends to do to enforce this mandate – for example, whether she is going to fine people – her attacks on Obama are more about scoring political points than making a real point.

The truth is, Barack Obama's universal health care plan makes coverage affordable for every single American, he just doesn't agree with Hillary's plan to start by forcing everyone to buy insurance they can't afford.

I think the real question is who can stand up to the special interests, bring Republicans and Democrats together, and actually make their plan a reality? Barack Obama is in the best position to do that because unlike Senator Clinton, he's been standing up to the special interests and bringing people together throughout his career.
I would like to echo what Josh said. I'm tired of elections where we have to hold our noses when we decide who to elect as our president. Obama is the first candidate to excite me in a very long time (and I've been a voter for 40 years). The thought of Hillary Clinton as president seems like a step backward to me. As much as I want the next president to be a democrat, if we have to choose between Hillary and Rudy or Hillary and Mitt, I may just have to obstain from voting. I pray daily for an Obama victory in Iowa, New Hampshire and beyond.
I was hoping to see a super strong ticket of Clinton/Obama in the national election (in either order), but with all the last few months turns to bashing I don't see that combo happening after primaries.
I used to think that my "dream team" ticket would be Hillary in the seat, aand Obama playing secod chair, to gain better sense of the ladscape up their in that rarefied air of the presidency, but the more I hear Obama speak, the more i'm beginnig to feel like he just may be our best, most bold statement we could make about an american posture that needs, desperately, to evolve.  Charisma aside, this guy's singin a new tune, and I think I like the hook - "you can dance to it!"
Richard - Yes, why is this man who runs both a primary campaign against Democrats and a general campaign against Republicans considered fresh and new?  Unless someone refuses to run against Democrats or Republicans, it's just the same old politics.  Obama should just give inspirational speeches from inside his home if he wants to get elected.  Idiot.

Kevin - Thanks for your post and the on the ground report for New Hampshire, it's the most informative post in this whole thread about the actual state of the race.  I have long suspected the same thing in the early states; the in-depth organization by Obama, if it's applied to independents, only needs a fragment of them to turn out in order to shift the Iowa caucus and NH primary results by ten points, given the potential for independents to vote in those races.  
Obama is the best choice, but the press is on the side of Clinton. Big money is for Clinton. Do you think democracy has a place here?
America, the most openminded country (that's what we say)but we just can't stand the thought of a woman to be our president! Interesting!
Well its all nice and good that you all think that Obama is gooing to win! People just have to remember, Bush is the Enemy and the one who lied to get EVERYBODY to support him on his Campaign to start the war in Iraq. Obama is also not an Angel..we know what Hilary is all about and she is not afraid to say that she made a mistake. But I think that people are afraid to see a woman as President! better an African American as a woman!! I dont agree. Im an African American woman, and becuse i got tired of all the BS in America I moved to Germany with my Fiance. I STILL VOTE!! And in November I will be voting for Clinton.
Hey Josh

I have felt the same way during the past presidential Elections. trying to choose the better of two "evils" Obama is the only candidate in any race state or federal I have felt will actually do the best things for our country. I am shocked there our people out there who just want more of the same garbage from our politicians. Vote Obama!! he and only him can bring the change and common sense leadership which America is hungry for.
Obama knows that Hillary's double speak messages
on Iraq, her false concern for the uninsured, her
ambiquity as to how she would enforce (inflict)
her healthcare policies on all Americans (not just
the uninsured), masks a greater problem of the same
kinds of special interest groups serving found in
his own party.  While Dems scream at big oil industries, they need to consider looking at their
own party bowing to large GM Manufacturers and Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a longtime protector of the auto industry which denied for decades the fact that
we are now at 100% foreign oil dependency.  We are
paying for oil in blood in Iraq and reps like Dingell
need to be impeached.  Obama is looking at both parties and seeing the shameful complacency which has brought us into this energy crisis over the last
40 years.  Look at both parties and begin to consider the need to vote out anyone who has watched our energy crisis cripple our economy over the last 30 years and replace them with men and women of vision for America.  While the Clintons place their economic stock in healthcare reform by preying on the uninsured using predatory practices of insurance companies and healthcare industries, Mr. Obama will not allow this to happen.  That's the difference between Totalitarianism and real Democracy.  One final note:  The Clintons have had their chance in the Whitehouse and in the Senate.  Their methods of economic survival involve the same kinds of predatory practices to fleece Americans.  Are the
Clintons banking on the futuristic methods of Nano Technology to save our energy crisis fifteen years from now?  In the meantime, and they seeking to use the healthcare industry as a database to pry into the healthcare history of every American to determine economic forecasts based on each man, woman and child's health forecast?  We already have an issue of Genetic Discrimination Laws to be addressed in this nation that has a direct impact
on Employment and the economy.  Do we really want
a biased healthcare Czar determining who can or can not contribute to the workforce or economy based on genetic medical forecasts? Democrats and Republicans need to bring themselves into the real world and consider what will happen when all your health information is placed under a biased partisanship leader.  It will give you an understanding of how
economic survival will be handed to bias politicans, rouge predatory insurance companies and partisan healthcare professionals in determining your future employment.  Trust me on this.  I've been the target of bias hatred and you will need a leader who looks at both parties with a vision of hope for all, not a hope for certain races, classes, ethnic backgrounds, political affiliations, or any other classification that will lead to impoverished circumstances based on totalitarianism by either the Democratic or the
Republican leaders.  Perhaps Obama, or other leaders, can fit that description, but I know that's what this American is seeking.  We need to start with
with protecting the fundamental rights of all Americans and stop thinking along partisan lines.  American needs civility and the kind of Leaders who both protect our country, our economy and our future without becoming partisan parasites on our nation.
Obama is desperate.$$$$ Hopefund $$$$$$
Tom, I don't think its going to happen, but a tough nomination race doesn't preclude making nice to run on the ticket together. Look at Reagan/Bush. Remember the whole voodoo economics thing? And there were other snippets, too.

In fact, thinking back, that's a good description of H.W. Bush - snippy. Still I'll take him over his son. And its a real shame how that family line has steadily deteriorated since Prescott.

Anyway, my point is these candidates all have the capacity for sheer Orwell-turning-in-the-grave forming of new alliances. In this particular case, I don't think Obama would offer the second slot to Clinton, and if he did, I'm not sure she would accept.

I'm thinking he might go with Bill Richardson. A governor with some foreign policy credentials, and the geography couldn't be better. Plus, nobody dislikes Richardson.

When the veep sweeps start, a lot of folks tend to look at other candidates for president, and usually it doesn't work that way. Knowing that, I'm still thinking Richardson.

I was thinking Mark Warner, but it looks like he really wants to be a senator instead and since these questions have evolved about Obama's experience, foreign policy, etc., now I'm thinking he has to pick someone to counter that. I'd love to see him go with Tony Zinni. Or even Colin Powell, if he could be talked into crossing the aisle.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I think she's going with Evan Bayh. That would be a smart pick, and while I'm not sure the deal has already been made, Bayh has known he was on the short-list before anyone else.
*** A must Read *** go to hillaryclinton.com, news "press" release, click on New Your Times article dated November 30th. regards to Health Care Plans Clinton vs. Obama. ***This is a must read if you want to be an informed voter.***
I'm sorry, all this garbage talk about "America would rather see a black man then a woman become president" needs to die in it's tracks.

When Hillary first began, her banner for a while was "Let's Make History" referring to having the first woman president.......AS IF Obama wouldn't have EQUALLY been making history! The bigger difference? While Hillary is teething on that whole appeal. Which IMO, is quite dismissive/bigot-like, implying that Obama isn't good enough to be recognized by history like she.

But wait, has Obama come out with the said banner "Let's have the first black president" or (like Hillary) go with "Let's Make History"?  No, he hasn't, he doesn't need to, he doesn't need to rely on such statements. He may make reference to his ethnicity but never has he used it as a reason for people to vote for him....Until Mr.s Clinton who uses her gender.

THIS election of '08 is damned important. Right here we must shed past skins of personal prejudice (be they  gender, ethnicity, religious understands) and VOTE for the right INDIVIDUAL rather then sheeple (sheep+people=sheeple).  And definately  not an self-centered, over-ambitious(the bad kind of ambitious) twit of a republican wearing democrat clothing (i.e. Hillary Clinton).


I will end with a quote from my best friend who was originally going to vote for Hillary.

"You know, for 22 years of my life the country has been led by two families. The Bushes or the Clintons. It's time for a change."
Wake up people! Obama is not ready for the Big time. He will be in THE FUTURE BUT NOT AT THIS TIME. You speak of Hillary double talking, Obama talks just to make noise. He is  young and intergetic, he is not worldly. We need someone who has been in 82 countries and has talked with world leaders. A person who has respect all around the globe. A person who can repair the damage done by Bush.
THAT PERSON IS HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!
i really question the judgement of some of the statements made by hillary supporteres and republican advocates. first of all republicans have caused such a mess of american unity here at home an abroad with the politics of fear and self indulgence in partnership with corporate america. they have taken constitutional rights from americans, invaded the privacy of americans, kept wealth in the hands of the rich get richer, crippled education from the elementary level to the undergraduate level and have taken a surplus federal budget to a negative 10 trillion national deficit. most of that deficit is owed to an adversary that steals american technology and spies on our country relentlesly and you all advocate the ideals of the republican party instead of national unity. if you can show me more positives than negatives that republican party has concerning the benefits your party has bestowed on this country then you present a valid debate or arguement. other wise your stance is purely ideological, emotional and has no substantial or factual reason to weigh your words with serious consideration.
I think it is a good thing that the baby boomer generation will now lead America deep into the twenty-first century.  But I have yet to read anything from Ms Clinton or Mr. Obama that clearly states where America will be under their presidency.  And more importantly, where will the world be?
John Kennedy 'took' America and the world to the moon.
Where is America and the world going now?
I think Obama's message of hope and personal action is winning in a fundamental and comprehensive way. His campaign strategized to beat Hillary with her words... http://www.enewsreference.com
Personally, I was a huge fan of Bill Clinton...I think he was one of our greatest Presidents.  Look what he did for our economy and deficits. So, If Hillary goes to office, maybe she'll let Billy do his magic again, but I'm voting for Obama.  He's JFK material, the natural ability to lead all Americans.
i sorry that you had to leave your country because of politics lady. if you are going to be a resident of germany and disdain the american landscape so much why are you voting at all? by the way for those who vote for hillary. i hope it would be for their belief in her as a qualified leader and not because she is a woman. to suggest that folks would not vote for her because she is a woman is as prejudice and discriminatory perception as not voting for obama because he is half black and half white. it amazes me that we as americans allowed the biggest mistake in allowing mr. bush to become president. yet, we are committing the same mistake of hating, lieing, believing without fact checking and choosing based upon such narrow minded point of views (practices perfected by the republican party). we really need to be students of this campaign process and not just be emotional, blindly led or possibly biggoted supporters. by the way people none of the candidates are going to be perfect. we aren't and nor will they be.
on the hopefund issue. this was a planted inquiry that will prove to be a strategical blunder by the campaign that planted it. it will bring attention to the campaign that has a record of representing the corporate health lobby for 16 long years or more. it was an attempt at distraction from non answering of issues and detailing specific plans. the strategy is to deflect attention away from the fact that some campaigns have at least gven details of a plan on some issues and some haven't and won't if they can parse, deflect and say something without saying a thing. to qoute james brown, "talking loud and saying nothing"
What is your American dream? Who can best lead you towards that dream? Vote your mind, not your party.

Myself, I'll be voting Obama. He will be wise enough to pick a great staff - and - I believe he has the very best mind for the job - something we citizens need moving foward. America is at a crossroads - do we want fear and radical policies to say who we are to the world -or- do we want strength thru hope and reason to say who we are to the world? Only one person in this race - on both sides - offers hope and strength with vision, that's Obama.

LOL< even this pro Barak article shows it---- "a high school pep rally'



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Another day another attack from the Clinton campaign against Obama. Of course he will defend himself. And if someone else becomes the front runner, Clinton will simply attack the new front runner. And you will label the new front runner the attacker. This is not news, it is not journalism. It is not even reporting.
Hillary Clinton is the best and strongest candidate.

She has the pragmatic wisdom and diplomacy to stand for America's views without allienating America from the rest of the world. She is a consensus builder. As America goes, so does the world. We need to turn around our situation here so that peace, prosperity, respect, will once again be ours here and also, theirs abroad.

She will bring together bipartisanship to resolve issues that need to be tackled for the sake of returning our country once again to great heights economically, educationally, socially, etc.

She is determined to do what is right inspite of what people say - case in point is her resolve to keep her marriage intact inspite of public outcry for her to leave her husband. It takes great courage and focus to overcome a marital crisis and continue to succeed at what you are doing.

She really has compassion for the less fortunate and the middle class. Her health care program and stance on other major issues such as education, social security and the economy show us she is focussed on improving the lives of those who need help. She looking to get us back to a place of no stress and greatness. Hillary is the one who will champion the causes of the poor and also, of the middle class. Do not be driven by emotions. Think seriously before you choose your Commander in Chief. Hillary is determined and capable.

She has the best team, including one of the best American Presidents, Bill Clinton. America had so much respect from the rest of the world during his presidency.

I implore you people to take your votes seriously. Hillary will restore honor to our land with grace and inclussion. That is what we desperately need.

Lose the veil, big guy, and let's get the campaign started. Just keep the challenges to the other candidates relevant and honest.
Frankly I'm disgusted with Obama, do people even know what he stands for?  He spoke out against the Patriot Act then voted in favor of reauthorizing it, he cannot commit to withdrawing the troops out of Iraq by 2013, possibly later.. He hasn't ruled out using strikes against Iran, not to mention the same vote he criticizes Hillary for, he missed himself and sponsored the exact same legislation designating the IRG a terrorist organization in back in April.. He implied that he would invade Pakistan, without the consent of their government.. He made votes making it more difficult for average citizens to sue big corporations.. He has no consistency on the issues of social security and taxes, in the very beginning he was for raising the cap, then having all options on the table, then appointing a bipartisan commission, now he's back to raising the cap.. He receives contributions from lobbyists, corporations and interest groups

The only two candidates worth voting for are Paul and Biden
I have always tried to vote for the best candidate, regardless of party affiliation. I haven't seen a Republican in this race that I am thrilled with, and while I don't agree with all that Obama has said, he seems to me to be the best so far.

I would ask of you all to keep something in mind, if Hillary is indeed elected, we will have a minimum of 24 years of Bush/Clinton administrations. That, my friends, is a bit too much!
katy7540, u r right. he is suppose to defend hisself. i don't understand why the other supporters think that only their candidates should be able to defend themself and it not be negative.
Oh....and I care not about the gender nor race of the candidate, just that they be the best person for the job
Oh....and I care not about the gender nor race of the candidate, just that they be the best person for the job
The 'hostage' situation sounds fishy.  Hillary needed a reason to bow out of her DNC speech.  She gave a poor speech at the JJ Dinner in Des Moines recently and Obama gave a history making speech and the crowd really responded.
rose, i respect your point of view. though i don't agree with you. at least you make your point intelligently with convicton and respectfully. by the way, i agree that the clinton's personal life has nothing to do with how hilary would run the contry. it does take a lot to overcome what she did in her marraige, but the fact that she did or didn't stay or leave concerning her marraige is not an indicator of how she would run her presidency either. i agree that bill was a good president for the country at that time and era. however, this is a different time and era. your statement on hillary's potential to bring bipartisan cooperation is being hopeful on your part. there is no democrat that the republican and conservative base dislikes more than hillary at this time. the reawakening of the republican and conservative idealogues has been reignited by the hate of hillary and bill throughout their conservative and misguided base. hillary i don't believe will be a unifier. in her words, she knows how to play the game and fight back. i suggest that every candidate running in the democratic party can fight back. she will have to fight constantly because of the animosty, hate and dislike the republicans and conservatives have for both clinton's. they don't just see hillary as president. they also see it as bill's 3rd term (12 years). i sugest to you that hopeful as you are with hillary back in the white house washington, d.c. is likely to stay in partisan gridlock. i am not speaking with emotion at all. i am being a realist having observed the nature of this ugly relationship between the clinton's and republicans since bill was in office. by the way independents are going to be very ow in number voting for hillary. possibly causing the democrats the general election.
"I'm sick and tired of Democrats thinking that the only way to look tough on national security is by talking and acting and voting like George Bush Republicans."

You tell them, Barack!

I wouldn't cry over a Barack WH, except for the "he's the Manchurian candidate" droolers.

I'd put them:

Biden
Edwards
McCain
Paul (with some work on the environmental issues)
Edwards
Hilldawg
Fred
Huck
Anyone I've forgotten
Anyone who wants it except Guilianni
Guilliani
i respect the hillary supporters. i really do. having voted for bill previously, but i just can't support her because of her history in politics. to many documented scandals. to many corporate lobbyists have paid into her political campaigns. she has to many votes casted in favor of the corporate america agenda. she is very savvy using the media to paint a different picture, but her track record since she has been in the senate doesn't say she is going to do what she is claiming she will do now. why now would she take a different direction in her attitude after so long be who she has been for so long? can someone explain that to me, please? I haven't made up my mind yet. instead of just jumping on someones bandwagon i have been studying there history and voting records for months. can a leapord shange it's spots after so long? as an independent state your cases,please.  
But I think that people are afraid to see a woman as President! better an African American as a woman!!

K. Lambert, Schweinfurt GERMANY (Sent Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:25 AM)

Nope, not for me.  In the abstract, I like the idea of a female President even more than an African American President.  There's something right, and balancing, and completing, about having a female become leader of the free world given the last few thousand years of history.

But we're not voting for abstractions - we're voting for actual individuals.  Obama is the strongest African American candidate to ever emerge in politics, while Hillary is not entirely the best female candidate imaginable, as countless other women in politics have risen entirely on their own, and have no such negative baggage with the public.  If Obama were to be nominated and lose, the African American community would know they put forth the best candidate they could, and not someone with prior baggage that sunk them; if Clinton were to lose, female politicians who have risen on their own for fifty years will be denied the Presidency, all due to the the arrogance of a former first lady with high negatives never experienced by self-made female leaders like Kathleen Sebelius, Nancy Pelosi, and Carol Moseley-Braun.  

I haven't endorsed yet, but if it's between Obama and Clinton, it's a no-brainer.  Potentially cheating two generations of women because half the country hates Hillary Clinton is not my idea of advancing women's rights.
Senator Obama is like a breath of fresh air !!
I have read to many stories about the Bush and the Clinton's, TOO CLOSE FOR ME !!!!!


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