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Obama's and Huckabee's ground games

Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2007 2:35 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Carrie Dann
With a super-newsy Des Moines Register poll out, here are a few observations -- for whatever they're worth -- on what I've seen on the ground about the two new leaders in the state: Obama and Huckabee.
 
Obama's new slot at the top has a host of possible causes and factors. But here's one: As someone originally inclined to believe that Obama's massive productions at the Harkin Steak Fry and the Jefferson-Jackson dinner were mostly smoke and mirrors, I am officially (and somewhat begrudgingly) admitting that, here in Iowa, there's some real backbone to his organization.
 
Last week, I went to an Obama campaign event that featured brief remarks by Michelle Obama and the official opening of a new field office in West Des Moines. There wasn't anything particularly remarkable about the event, which attracted 60 or 70 people who waited outside in the frigid afternoon for the senator's wife to speak. But what I did notice was this: the young staffers running the event knew most of the attendees personally (and vice versa). When the lead staffer thanked each of her colleagues by name at the beginning of the program, supporters cheered and shouted out things like "We love you, Luke!"

This probably doesn't seem all that noteworthy, but it might be a hint of an important distinction between the Obama campaign and the failed presidential bid of Howard Dean in 2004. Pundits compare the two campaigns frequently, and with reason: Obama, like Dean, is a change candidate with a foundation of support in youth and netroots communities. Dean's campaign fell apart because -- among other things -- it was "made of sand," as one longtime Iowa statesman here put it. Its manpower was entirely disconnected from grassroots activists, and supporters had little allegiance to keep them in the fold when the going got tough.  But Obama supporters appear to have a genuine personal fondness for the young campaign workers who have clearly laid down roots in this community. (This is also evidenced, by the way, when Obama thanks his field organizers at the beginning of every town hall, as he always does. Crowds almost always appear to know the young person with the clipboard who Obama points out by name.)
 
The same thing happened when I went to an bema-sponsored caucus training in Knoxville, IA earlier this week. Staffers packed 37 people into a tiny office to teach them what the big night in January will look like.  They knew almost all of the participants by name, most of whom were first-time caucus-goers who brought their spouses and friends in tow.  Moreover, the mock caucus was FUN -- they voted on PIES instead of actual candidates for a goofy twist -- and the participants came away less intimidated by the whole process. 

It's not clear that this affection and connectness is mirrored in all of the 1,700-odd precincts in Iowa, and it's likely that rival campaigns have equally dedicated and beloved organizers in the field as well. But I came away from both organizational events with a pretty strong sense that these true believers aren't going to disappear on caucus night -- unless their candidate does something truly catastrophic between now and then. He might not gain the votes he needs to win Iowa, but my sense is that he's not at the high risk of losing support that one might have imagined a few months ago. Their sense of membership in the Obama movement, cultivated by these bright-eyed young field organizers, seems awfully strong. 
 

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As is probably obvious, the same can't be said for Huckabee. Republicans, in general, do far less "touches" between the campaign and voters, and the Huckabee camp in particular appears to be flying by the seats of their pants. Their candidate is EXTREMELY media savvy, but he's still got an uphill battle on the ground.  Watch the trip here on Monday and Tuesday closely -- it's much more oriented towards TV pictures than it is towards real retail politicking. And Huckabee's staff here simply doesn't have the time or resources to be putting rubber to the road in the same way you'll see from Romney (whose campaign uses a traveling bank of cell phones to nimbly move around the state for evening phone-calling efforts). 
 
I won't say go so far as to say that Huck's support is soft, but it's fair to assume that he probably doesn't have the organizational backbone in place now to fend off a devastating hit by a rival campaign. Buzz has served him very well, and his charm and good humor is largely accountable for this surge, but he simply hasn't invested the time yet for the key ingredient -- LOYALTY -- to make those numbers hard enough to withstand attacks. 
 
And attacks will come -- probably from Team Romney -- and they'll fall on the receptive ears of pragmatic Iowan social conservatives who hate Rudy with a passion. There are already loud whispers that a Huckabee victory here would be a dream for Giuliani. I would be surprised if there WASN'T a concerted effort within the conservative community, obvious or otherwise, to take Huckabee down in the name of supporting the more organized and electable social conservative in Mitt Romney.

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Why begrudge the acknowledgement of the Obama campaigns efforts to connect with voters?  The staffers running the campaign offices get to know the people who come in to volenteer and go out and about touching the people in the community and trying to nudge them Obama's way. If you sign up online you constantly get updates about the campaign and info on town halls and various fourums. The messageboards are really active.

The campaign has always been alive and people have always seemed really enthusiastic. I've always thought that the Steak Fry and JJ dinner coverage was a lot about people being shocked that Obama came in and created an organization that does have some depth and can rival Edwards who has been here for four years; but I think it's because he has good Iowa folks who know how the state works and know what they're doing.

He's taken the time to get this set up, it didn't happen overnight. And that's how he's different from Dean.
Mark Murray,

Thanks for your observation and comment. Your article basically summed up what I have been arguing in this blog for the past 4 months.

Like I have said before, Obama phenomenon is for real; it is a movement that is here to stay. I have been following politics for a decade now and I have not seen anything like this. Obama’s phenomenon is looking more like Tony Blair of the ‘90s

I knew all along that Clinton can't win the nomination because the energy is not there. Obama has all the energy and he doesn't have any baggage of the '90s.

Folks, fasten your seat belt and get ready to rumble.  


On a side note, the Clinton’s machine went on an attack last week knowing fully well what the internal poll is saying. They are a week ahead of us and guess what happen? The new IOWA poll reflects exactly what Clinton’s internal poll showed last week. They are in a panic mood and more attack we come this week.
But Obama supporters appear to have a genuine personal fondness for the young campaign workers who have clearly laid down roots in this community.

Unlike the Clinton campaign in Iowa where people are harassed and sternly taken to task.

It is possible that Senator Clinton is the best candidate.  However, even though many may like the policies that Senator Clinton proposes, they should also consider her record, just as Senator Clinton insists.
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The last Clinton Administration, when faced with the fact that protection rackets where torturing people with poison and radiation, chose to avoid its responsibilities to incarcerate the criminals and to protect the citizenry.
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Instead, they made a deal with the criminal gang stalker protection rackets to leave them alone and to consequently abandon the citizenry.
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Do we want a President who sells out the citizenry for votes?
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Do we want a President who sends a "crime does pay" message to society?
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Would you vote for a President who signed nonaggression deals with the KKK or the Nazi party? Gangs that torture with poison and radiation are much like the KKK and Nazi Party.
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We do not need a sellout President. We need a principled leader President.
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If you are one of the few who do not know what the above refers to, do a web search for “gang stalking” to see the tip of the dirtberg.  Please do it before you decide to reply to my post. Here let me make it easy for you: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22gang+stalking%22.
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A vote for Huckabee is a vote for Rudy!!  Dick Morris has been linked to the Huckabee campaign and he supports Rudy.  

Morris said months ago on the O'Reilly factor, the way to help Rudy is to support Huckabee in Iowa.
Obama got some GREAT news today besides the DMR Iowa poll: (1) Rasmussen's new general election poll has him running strong.

(2) The Des Moines mayor just announced its endorsement of Obama, a potentially big development.

Poll numbers and news of the endorsement here: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2007/12/sunday-round-up-national-poll-and-north.html"
Unnamed sources claim that Mitt, Huck, and Rudy, are actually secret Scientologists, in stead of the secret Bohemian Owl God followers, everybody thinks they are.
Nope, don't see it coming from the conservative community, they don't like Romney enough; if they did, he wouldn't have had a 33% ceiling all year in both early states.  There is, however, a movement by the Romney campaign to get the message out that a vote for Huckabee in Iowa is a vote for Giuliani (which is not necessarily true, of course, although a possible result).  

The fact is that Huckabee's support is more solid than Romney's in Iowa, and the polling shows it.  The question is whether Romney's superior organization will mobilize a higher percentage of his supporters on the day of the caucuses; my guess is no.  If I had to bet now, I'd say Iowa will be Huckabee/Romney/Paul, which would be a fascinating finish because it would bludgeon all four candidates that have been considered national frontrunners until just recently, leaving the nomination up for grabs for potentially Huckabee or Paul to pull out an upset.
Thanks Carrie. That's good to hear.  And its true generally about Obama believers--we are here because we believe.
It says a lot about Obama's strength when a skeptic reporter writes stuff like this. I commend you for your courage in admitting your previous bias. However, I can't believe you held such skepticism as recently as the JJ dinner event because after that event everybody felt that the Obama phenomenon was real. This tells me we ordinary people and pundits leave in totally different planets and it takes you guys a while to grasp what we already figured out a while ago.
Huckabee is pulling away, and his people are FANATICAL. He will not lose many people to some negative television advertising.

Huckabee is on his way.
I'm a Democrat in southeast in Iowa, long-since committed to Obama.

My experience with the Obama campaign here is very similar to what Mark describes where he reported.  The new activists who have been "activated" by Obama know the field staff well and like them.  The veteran activists are already anticipating supporting their future congressional campaigns - watch out for Seth London and Chelsea Kammerer!  

For the first few weeks of new field staff arriving, I could give them helpful ideas about whom to contact, but very quickly, they got to know EVERYBODY.  

On Huckabee, I would note that he may have tapped into the biggest in-place form of organization Republicans in Iowa have: mainstream fundamentalist churches.  Even more than labor unions for Dems, this is an organization that can turn out votes: not by official church action but by kindred spirits meeting every week and talking.
The writer of this article could hardly be more off-base about Huckabee. First, polls have shown that Huckabee's support is FAR FIRMER than Romney's. Second, Romney would NOT be a better national candidate than Huckabee. Quite the opposite! For one thing Huckabee ALREADY is well ahead of Romney in the latest national poll. Also, he is clearly the better communicator as each debate has shown- particularly the most recent. Finally, many presidential elections in the past have demonstrated that Americans do NOT want to elect FLIP-FLOPPERS as their leader!! Romney would be absolutely CRUCIFIED in a general election by HIS OWN WORDS espousing one position, then the opposite, then the opposite again, etc. Huckabee is the kind of principled man that Americans LOVE AND RESPECT -even when they disagree with him! Remember Ronald Reagan?
The Des Moines Register poll shows that more of Huckabee's supporters are less likely to change their minds before caucus day than Romney's.  That's a lot more scientific than the author's repetition of the old Romney line (effective in the past to lure several leaders of the religious right) that it's inevitably between him and Guiliani and a vote for anyone other than him is a vote for Guiliani.  National polling is now demonstrating the fallacy of that statement.  Today's Rasmussen daily tracking numbers show Huckabee rising to second behind Guiliani and Romney falling to 5th place.  Huckabee has more of a right than Romney to claim that a vote for anyone but him might be a vote for Guiliani if you look at the polling numbers. It's a mistake for anyone to claim a two-ray race at this point when the race is clearly wide open.   The pundits are going to have to rethink the old maxim that money and organization before the first primary always mean everything.  Even recent history shows exceptions to that rule.  Going into NH in 1980, Ronald Reagan, had neither organization nor money and the momentum he had carried him all the way to the White House.  The fact is that a candidate with the right optimistic message, the charisma to deliver it, and the character to make it believable can see that kind of momentum, regardless of money and organization before the primaries begin, particularly with the compressed nature of the primary schedule this time.  Huckabee is emerging as that type of candidate, while Romney and Guiliani are not flattered by comparisons to him.
mike, that took courage to admit you were skeptical and had some bias.  thank you.
Barack Obama has his Camp obama, where they trained the staffers and volunteers for the offices, taught by his former community organizer buddies.
Obama has his organization run with the lessons and things he learned from that experience.  Everything comes back to those days and organizing a community around a cause.
not only is there genuine affection for the staff and volunteers but, the people supporting Obama have a real affection for the candidate and believe in him.
From what I've heard from people who've been to Iowa or talked to people there, this is what is missing in HRC's organization.
Barak Obama is outsourcng the Iowa Caucus to "Illinois".

Recently he sent out 50,000 pieces of literature to OUT OF STATE college students who go to school in Iowa but live mostly in ILLINOIS and NEVER intend to become citizens odf Iowa encouraging them to be bussed in by his campaign to caucus for him in NOT their home state.

What is happening to those suppposedly strong, stubborn "Nobody is going to tell me how to vote" independent Iowa voters the Big Media keeps telling us about.

Does it not offend you, Iowa voters,that a candidate would try to change the outcome of YOUR STATE CAUCUS by bringing in OUT OF STATE voters?

So Illinois is going to decide  Iowa's vote?????

 If Iowa citizens are not offended by Obama's sleezy,
sneaky, NOT TRUSTWORTHY tactics...

Then I'd say Iowa is growing more pansys than corn these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Barak Obama is outsourcng the Iowa Caucus to "Illinois".

Recently he sent out 50,000 pieces of literature to OUT OF STATE college students who go to school in Iowa but live mostly in ILLINOIS and NEVER intend to become citizens of Iowa encouraging them to be bussed in by his campaign to caucus for him in NOT their home state.

What is happening to those suppposedly strong, stubborn "Nobody is going to tell me how to vote" independent Iowa voters the Big Media keeps telling us about.

Does it not offend you, Iowa voters, that a candidate would try to change the outcome of YOUR STATE CAUCUS by bringing in OUT OF STATE voters?

So Illinois is going to decide Iowa's vote?????

 If Iowa citizens are not offended by Obama's sleezy,
sneaky, NOT TRUSTWORTHY tactics...

Then I'd say Iowa is growing more pansys than corn these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take a GOOD look at Huckabee and the FairTax - why is the FairTax studies only evaluate incomes up to $200,000? Because the effective tax rate for billionaires under the FairTax is less than 1%. You can buy things of great value all day long without ever buying a new one. Think mansions, land, yachts, valuable coins, stamps, bullion, stocks and bonds - all of which increase his wealth and none of which is taxed. The things that are NEW that the super rich require will be provided them as perquisites by the businesses they control. Think company car, company house, company jet - all of which use our infrastructure and none of which is paid for by the entity using them. Why should Walmart pay for roads and bridges when they can get you to pay for free? This is another attempt by the liberal media to face ANYONE but Dr. Ron Paul. Much as we'd like politics to be positive, it is in fact ruled almost entirely by negatives. For instance, what's the biggest negative the Republican Party is facing in 2008? Iraq - a staggering 70% of people favor IMMEDIATE withdrawl from Iraq. Who is the only candidate that doesn't have that negative? Dr. Paul, who advocates using those trillions of dollars to secure our border (perhaps against Saudis who were 20 of the 24 terrorists in 9/11) and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure which is far more worrying than the loss of Social Security. Hm, full employment, withdrawl from Iraq and a huge boost to our economy from rebuilding our infrastructure - what Democrat wants to run against that. Hence the behavior of known liberal biased network CNN, who wants us to nominate either Guiliani or Romney - both of whose negatives are so high the copy practically writes itself!
Disgusted: You should be "disgusted" with yourself. Do your research - students registered in Iowa colleges have been allowed to caucus in Iowa for some time. The only reason many of them would have to "come back" to Iowa to caucus is because for the first time, the caucus has been moved up to January 3rd, when many of them will be on Christmas vacation.

Disgusted, either you're uninformed or you are deliberately trying to mislead people.
for disgusted, CLINTON IS ALSO encouraging those out-of-state students who support her to caucus.  She's doing THE SAME THING!  Are you crazy?  Why in the world would you not want the LEGAL voters vote for you????

1) it's not sleazy
2) Clinton's doing exactly the same thing. But she's sleazy in trying to pin some sort of sleaziness on Obama!

Clinton is being foolish in the extreme.  The distortion on this college student thing, the distortion on the support of democrat candidates, the distortion on the health care plan is childish and Obama has smacked her down on it.  Not by slinging mud, but by slinging facts!

Obama vs. Huckabee in the general election would allow us to vote on ideals and policies and not on who is the sleaziest person (i.e. Clinton vs. Giuliani).
The same exact story could be written about the Obama campaign staff in New Hampshire. I volunteer for Obama's campaign here in New Hampshire, and his staff is exactly the same way--they know your name, make sure you are invited to events, and take an interest in the community. I only wish I had half their energy!
Which states might Romney win that Huckabee cannot, and vice versa?
Obama is not encouraging any out of state people to vote in Iowa except those students who attend college there. These students have always been legally able to vote in Iowa; the only difference is this year the caucus date has been moved up and the students will be on holiday and at home. If these students do not come back to vote in Iowa, they are likely to be in class during the primary of their home state later in the year. By not supporting these students' wishes to vote in Iowa, the other campaigns are effectively disenfranchising the students because they may not vote in a way preferable to their candidate. That's what really stinks. Go Obama!
disgusted -

Not only is what Obama doing legal, its a common practice of Iowa caucuses.  If you are a student at an Iowa school, you are allowed to vote in the Iowa caucuses.  You have no idea how much the student appreciate that privilege.  I do, because I was one of them once.  The only reason I am an active voter and politically aware is because I was allowed to vote in the 2004 Democratic caucuses.  My school schedule and the cost of the drive wouldn't have allowed me to go to my home state to vote.  Many of my friends were in the same boat.  Both the state of Iowa and the Obama campaign are doing right by young voters...organizing the process in order to encourage and allow them to be active and have their voices heard!
Barack Obama has pulled ahead in the race for Iowa's Democratic presidential caucuses, while the party's national frontrunner Hillary Clinton has slipped to second in the leadoff nominating state, according to The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll...

In the new poll, Obama leads with support from 31 percent of women likely attend the caucuses, compared to 26 percent for Clinton. In October, Clinton was the preferred candidate of 34 percent of women caucusgoers, compared to 21 percent for Obama...

Obama also dominates among younger caucusgoers, with support from 48 percent from those younger than 35. Clinton was the choice of 19 percent in that group and Edwards of 17 percent.  

I feel "the fierce urgency of now."  Who wins and why can make all the difference to our future.  It can mean war or peace.  Obama will change the world for the better.  Vote Obama!
Barack Obama is doing nothing with college students in Iowa that has not been done since 1976...he is wooing them like clinton,edwards and all the rest. To suggest that these college kids from out of state that live in iowa 9-12 months a year should not take part in their legal right to caucus is un-american and voting dis-enfranchisement. It also suggests that Clinton does not want these students to vote democrat in november 08 either.. cus on november 4,2008 these students will be in Iowa in the middle of a semester and could help put Iowa in the democratic column this time around.  It is ridiculous for Clintons team to discourage participation by young people in the political process.  Is that what they want for a legacy?
Obama is the real deal.  Hillary is not ready for prime time.  Let's be honest, Hillary is actually very inexperienced when it comes to running a campaign when she is behind in the polls.  Her comments about Obama not being straightforward with the American people are just naive.  

I thought she was better than to sling mud another candidate because he is ahead of her.  She is also very elitist when it comes to speaking with real Americans.  

Obama will bring real change for Americans.  Let's be honest, we don't need bush clinton bush clinton.  We need a self made person who cares about all of american and not corporate interests.
Disgusted, oh dear, I have to confess something. When I was attending college in Georgia for five years, I voted there. I didn't know it was wrong. They let me register, so I thought it was legal. In fact, they actually encouraged college students to vote, even though some of us went home to other states for the holidays. I'm sorry, and I apologize to everyone. I never realized that you are not a citizen of a state if you live there while attending college. I do trust, however, that Sen. Clinton will not encourage her young supporters to return to Iowa a little early and caucus for her. No doubt she will tell them that it would be wrong to do so. And, Disgusted, as I doubt you'll realize it on your own, this post is satire.
Disgusted:  Out-of-state students at Iowa colleges are legally permitted to register in Iowa and participate in the caucuses.  Iowa has traditionally encouraged students to do so.  Obama's campaign at colleges is completely legal.
Rise up everyone and keep this movement going: friends, fathers, mothers, children, black, white, Latinos, Muslims, Christians, all religions, all peoples, men, women, boys, girls, democrats, republicans, independents, America, the free world...

Yes this is our movement for a total change

Not tomorrow, not four years time, not eight years time...

Yes, this is the moment!

Rise up, join this movement!

Right Now!

...the fierce urgency of now
Not that I would actually vote for obama but at least he is beating hillary. After all I am a white disenfranchised male.
I have been involved in Iowa Democratic politics for more than 40 years. I have attended caucases since 1980. The Obama organization is the best that I have ever seen. The local organizers have been here and on the ground long enough that they will qualify to participate in the caucases. I hve read Barack Obama's book, "Dreams From my Father". The organization for the Iowa caucauses is modled after Obama's southside of Chicago. I have yet to be at an event where the Obama field team does not know the name of everyone present. When January 3 comes, its is organization and preparation. Look for Obama to carry Iowa even bigger that forcast.
Obama is also doing something that has never been tried before on the scale of a nationwide presidential election - he's, well, we're (all his fervent supporters) are organizing on a Congressional district level and then areas within each CD. These micro-areas make it a lot easier to canvass and phone bank and a nice byproduct of the strategy is that you meet a lot of fellow supporters from your neighborhood. That builds a sense of community and makes campaigning a blast. Sure, it's a lot of grunt work and I hate cold-calling folks (but love to canvass). I make the calls because it's important. If I can convince one undecided voter to cast a vote for Obama then it's all worth it. If I can point out to a Hillary supporter where Obama has much better plans and is actually MORE experienced than she is, all the better. And believe me I have accomplished that goal many times over. Her support is pretty squishy people. She is truly the "default candidate" as Obama has said. Once people do their research, they come running for Obama. Our bandwagon is huge, so hop onboard. By the way, it's a hybrid that gets 60 mph and is American-made. :-)
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "a Mormon"  for the past 23 years, I can not understand how people can say that "mormons are or are not Christian" What right do we have to tell another person what they are or are not?
I am Mormon and I believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that he showed us a perfect way to live. I know that he died for all mankind and I know He lives even now and mourns at how His message is used so unrighteously.
What makes someone a Christian is not that they go to church, wear a cross or just claim to be. It is how they live. The choices they make with their time, talents and rescourses and mostly how they treat & act toward others.  I try every day to be a Christian.  Somedays I'm not so good. For that I'm eternally greatful that He gave us the gift of repentance.  

I found this snip tucked away at the bottom of an article this morning, almost missed it.

NBC's Chris Donovan reminds folks of a lesser-quoted speech JFK made in 1960 in Salt Lake City… It might be of note that just 11 days after Senator John Kennedy gave his religion speech in Houston in September 1960, he went to Salt Lake City to give a speech at the Mormon Tabernacle in which he had a few nice things to say about Mormons. "Tonight I speak for all Americans in expressing our gratitude to the Mormon people -- for their pioneer spirit, their devotion to culture and learning, their example of industry and self-reliance. But I am particularly in their debt tonight for their successful battle to make religious liberty a living reality -- for having proven to the world that different faiths of different views could flourish harmoniously in our midst -- and for having proven to the Nation in this century that a public servant devout in his chosen faith was still capable of undiminished allegiance to our Constitution and national interest."

The public servant Kennedy referenced was Senator Reed Smoot, an apostle in the Mormon church, who had to fight a four-year challenge to the right to his Senate seat over questions of whether or not he would be loyal to his religion versus his country. He was re-elected four times. Kennedy explained: "The story of Reed Smoot symbolizes the long struggle of the Mormon people for religious liberty. They suffered persecution and exile, at the hands of Americans whose own ancestors, ironically enough, had fled here to escape the curse of intolerance. But they never faltered in their devotion to their principle of religious liberty -- not for themselves alone, but for all mankind."

-MSNBC
Posted: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:06 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Republicans, 2008


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