Pelosi's caught in a mess...if she doesn't fund the civilians, jobs will be lost.  But in funding civilians and Afghanistan, she and everyone else knows good and damn well that the Cheney/Bush Admin doesn't care about either, that they'll funel money into Iraq, a sort of new Iran-Contra (remember when we SOLD weopons to Iran?).  A self-serving shell-game that Pelosi, the Dems ad the country will always lose as long as cheney's running things.  But what does she do? Not fund the war and have Cheney/Bush punish the Dems by punishing civilian workers? It's a sneaky, under-handed and typically evil thing they're doing, but they'l do it anyway, and Pelosi, the Dems and the Americans ponying up their hard-earned money for it always lose. We just need to vote the war-lovers out of both Congress and the White House in Novemeber and maybe then we can start doing things honestly again.

Carla:

A majority of Americans recognize that there is no such thing as "winning" this war.  What defines victory?  First it was the WMD's, then it was toppling Saddam, then it was democratic elections.  I don't even know what it is now.  Each time the stated purpose is met, there is a new stated purpose.  You can't win a war that has no true purpose.

Better Pelosi surrender to Bush than to terrorism. Good on her, I just wish she would be more honest in supporting American victory which will be better for the Afghans and Iraqis too. Too many psychos are so blinded by hatred of President Bush to care about the security of human beings here and eevn in Iraq and Afghanistan, where majorities want freedom but fear terrorism and need our help to build better tomorrows. Also, isn't it so strange that some "liberals" who claim to be for womens' rights, freedom of religion and democracy back allowing fundamentalist, anti-woman and anti-democratic terrorists to win? I'd say "isn't it funny," but it's really not. Good on Pelosi for giving the troops the money, wish she'd be a bit plainer in avering her support publically, I guess with her far out base in San Fran she has to be careful. Mad props to President Bush for sticking it out and working it out so we can stick behing the surge and win this thing. What gets troops home? Victory. a la the end of WW2, that's what.  

"PS Habeus Corpus has not been suspended nitwit! "

Tell that to Jose Padilla, you know nothing know it all.

John B: No,in fact it is not. BLOOMBERG observes that Iraqi bond value rates are rising[while the New York Times is tanking into ''sell''regions. MSNBC is doing so lousy that its boss is going to chop jobs later this month].Further,oil production continues to increase with 2.5 million barrels per month,an increase of a half-million barrels daily just since late September. Much of this money is now being poured back into infrastructure repairs [now taking place in Baghdad and Fallujah],and funding the return of an increasing number of refugees from Jordan and Syria.[who apparently have their own reasons for returning to a ''disaster'',a ''quagmire'', and a ''failure''].

Lee: Gee. One guy out of a nation of over 300 millions constitutes a blanket ''suspension''of Habeas Corpus. Somebody better tell Barry Bonds. Meanwhile,Padilla has been properly heard and sentanced,with the new row in the USSC eminating over Congress' authority in passing it's 2006 law which allows military tribunals in GTMO,backed by the administration[now being argued by Clement],and opposed by human rights watchers [who were already blasted for their silence in the use of child soldiers by the Palestinians and the use of rockets aimed deliberately at civilian targets],who are being,as are the prisoners,represented by Seth Waxman,a relative of Henrys. Thus the USSC has in no way determined a loss of Habeas Corpus that can be heretofore established as found law which would have been held in violation by the administration.[Else they would not even be having this argument right now]. This is the patent result of the USSC punting to Congress,in the HAMDI and HAMDAN cases. Yet Congress did act,even if the result was not the one desired by the administrations critics,who go back to the USSC for another crack at it.

"Lee: Gee. One guy out of a nation of over 300 millions constitutes a blanket ''suspension''of Habeas Corpus. "

How stupid are you? If president monkey butt can wave his hand over Jose Padilla, he can do it to your mother. Please don't respond to my posts anymore.

Yeh! Lee stop upsetting Lee with logic and truth. Dems hate that stuff. It's like holy water to a vampire. The nice thing is they do always leave when they know they have been out witted. Lee in Ca, feel free to rant some more if you want.

Lee: I only calls em as I sees em. Your vapid inanities are based upon mere partisanship,little else,which is the province of the simple mind. Wen Ho Lee was found by the USSC to have had his Habeas Corpus rights abridged by a liberal majority of the USSC. Did this mean that Clinton was wantonly suspending HC for all Americans? No. You forget that Padilla was locked into a legal paradigm which had heretofore never been adressed by the high court[''Jihad Johnny''Walker having already pleaded guilty and accepting a deal before it had moved into an area that would be contested at the appellate level,Walker acting as ''battlefield soldier''as opposed to suspected ''terrorist'']. The USSC has already spoken as regards Padilla,who,as I observed,is now serving out his sentance. Thus ''my mother''is already protected by the USSCs found law as well as the Document. What is it that you cannot grasp regarding this quite simple fact? Thus,your paranoid fantasies quite to the contrary,Bush will most certainly not be coming for my ''mother'',yours either,that person over there,or the persons below this post. In fact,if you can find one single American citizen whose case is now wending its way through the court system devoid of HC protections,again in  a nation of over 300 millions,then get with it man. Quit wasting time,and produce your Habeas Corpus-less ''dictatorship''. Anything else is mere intriguing,devoid of fact.

Also see: www.volokh.com-The VOLOKH Conspiricy,a lawblog comprised of civil and military jurists,lawyers,clerks,professors, constitutional experts and law students.

seems to me Lee in Ca shouldno longer be allowed to post if he can not refrain from name calling and demeaning others who care to post their opinions. only reading two of his replies i detect a meanspirited and hateful individual...how sad

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