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On the ground at Romney speech

Posted: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:25 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Erin McPike
COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- In what some may consider the biggest moment of his political career, Romney this morning gave a speech on faith and the degree to which his own would factor into his presidency. 

His overarching point here from the George H.W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum auditorium was that the United States has had a long history of religious tolerance, and therefore he ought not be “elected” or “rejected” on the basis of his faith. He explained in several ways that his faith would not inform his presidential decisions, but he did point out the values system that stems from his faith, and noted, "You can witness them in Ann and my marriage and in our family."

VIDEO: Mitt Romney makes a landmark speech on religious freedom and how his Mormon faith would inform his presidency.

As far as addressing some of the concerns non-Mormons have about his denomination, Romney addressed one thing only: his beliefs about Jesus Christ. About a quarter of the way through his remarks, he explained: “I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the savior of mankind,” but he conceded, “My church’s beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths.”

“I thought it was a remarkable speech, it was an eloquent speech,” said Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, who spoke with reporters in the auditorium after the address. Land, who said he will not endorse as a matter of personal policy and obligation to his church, added he thought it was “Kennedy-esque.” Land said he thought Romney’s points were right, and that discriminating against him on the basis of religion would be un-American, as Romney has said before. Asked if he thought there was anything he thought was missing from the speech, Land said he couldn’t think of anything.

But Palmetto Family Council President Oran Smith circulated via e-mail an “Evangelical Review” of the speech. There was one point that caused Smith concern: “Yes, he said Jesus is “Savior of the world,” and he called Jesus “the Lord,” but how is salvation gained.” He provided nine points that he liked, including Romney’s decision not to “go into the specific doctrines of Mormonism.”
Smith also liked his “emphasis on breakdown on family,” his denouncement of secularism and the lack of “the old pre-1993 pro-abortion, pro-gay Mitt.” What Smith liked most of all was Romney’s “sadness over sophisticated religious coldness of Europe,” writing “Wow. Loved that. That was big.”

Romney’s biggest applause line of the speech occurred near the end when discussing the United States’ founding fathers: “And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God… they founded this great nation.” Romney received a standing ovation at the line, as well as when he took the podium and when he concluded.

There were slightly more than a dozen applause lines in total, and Romney stuck to the script of the speech. While on the stump, he doesn’t follow the same speech from event to event. Instead, he swaps out sections and inserts sections from location to location. Many of his lines are the same on the stump, but they don’t appear everywhere, and his order is never the same. One note, when discussing radical jihad in this speech, Romney did not give his pronouncements with the same conviction that he usually gives on the stump. 
 
Leading up to the remarks, silence fell over the auditorium at 10:23 -- nearly 10 minutes before President George H.W. Bush and Romney took the stage. In his introduction of the candidate, the former president lavished praised on Romney and his family, including Romney’s father, George Romney, who ran for president in 1968. He said, though, that he has too much respect for many of the candidates to issue an endorsement and has been pleased that many of them have chosen to speak at the library.
 
Bush also introduced Romney’s sons, four of whom were in attendance. Son Ben, a medical student, was not there. After the speech, joined by Ann Romney and George and Barbara Bush, the candidate motioned to his sons to join them on the stage, mouthing, “Come on up, come on up.” There, began an assembly line of hugs. When Romney left the stage, he went immediately to the audience to greet supporters and religious figures.

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The blogger that states that Mormonism is a "cult" misrepresents its teachings and is merely repeating misleading anti-Mormon talking points.  It is not a doctrine of the LDS faith that Jesus and Satan are brothers in any sense that the anti-Mormon blogger wants you to believe.  It is a Biblical doctrine that Satan is a fallen angel, formerly known as Lucifer, meaning "son of the morning".  See Isaiah 14:12.  That is as far as Mormon theology takes that point.  They do not suggest that Jesus and Satan are comrades or share any brotherly fellowship, etc.  

Mormons do believe in proxy baptism on behalf of the dead.  While that is unique, it is known that the Apostle Paul discussed the fact that early Christians were performing Baptisms for the dead as evidence that they should have hope that the dead will eventually rise in the resurrection.  See 1 Corinthians 15:29.  The New American Bible published by the Catholic Church admits in a footnote that this refers to proxy baptism for the dead but argues that it isn't clear whether Paul was endorsing the practice.  

The traditional Christian doctrine of the holy trinity cannot be found in the Bible.  See Harpers Bible Dictionary (Paul F. Achtemeier, ed. (1985), page 1099.  It is the product of debate at the original Catholic Councils that produced the Nicean Creed.

The "eternally pregnant" status of women and argument that blacks were ever disfavored as chilren of God in Mormon doctrine are at best speculative mischaracterizations and more likely wilfull mischaracterizations of the Mormon position.

Harry's claims about the Book of Mormon are stated as non-controversial truths, and they are not.  In point of fact, there is absolutely no archaeological evidence that the Exodus happened or that the Children of Israel were ever kept captive in Egypt.  Would he denounce the Bible as a fabrication?

More to the point, what does any of this have to do with Mitt Romney's capacity to be President and to speak to people of all faiths?  Harry is simply a religious bigot who has swallowed a lot of anti-Mormon cool aid.  I'm surprised that a person who has supposedly been given an education in the Bible is so little acquainted with its contents (beyond traditionally accepted axioms) and so unable to think past the religious bigotry that he has been subjected to.  Its sad--very sad.  Mormons and more traditional Christian groups have bigger enemies in the political arena than each other these days.  It would pay if they stuck together.  Stop trying to spread misinformation and half truths about the Mormons.  



 
My Favorite line from this thread was from Harry in Phoenix Arizona:

"I am someone with a Bachelor's degree in both Bible & Religion"


Bachelor's degree in bible studies! well hot damn Harry, with that kind of education why haven't you written a book yet?!?
Narrow-minded and bigoted people will use theological differences between churches as an excuse or justification to vote one way or the other.  Doing it that way makes it much easier than evaluating the candidates on their merits.  

Unfortunately, that makes about as much sense as deciding what make/model of car to buy based on which teams win the Superbowl or World Series.  Since the Red Sox won, I'll buy a Chrysler... never mind about comparing fuel economy ratings, safety ratings, or price.

Mitt's reputation as a flip-flopper is undeserved.  He has fully explained himself, and that issue has been put to rest.

Fears that the Mormon Prophet will suddenly have a "revelation" that instructs the Mormon President to invade Iran (as an example) are equally unfounded.  There are dozens of Mormons serving in government positions, including Harry Reid (Democrat), majority leader in the Senate.  If the Mormon Church wanted to exert undue influence on the government, wouldn't they have already been trying to do so for years?
I feel very badly for Pat in Huntington NY. She must not have gotten her welfare check on time this week.
Charles, NY, NY (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:25 PM)

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First, use the correct pronoun, it's HE. SEcond, Piss off you bloody wanker!
5 sons - no military service!  BLOW IT out your ear!
He's very SLICK....icky slick!  Joe Biden is the man!  His son is currently serving in Iraq...he has so much experience in foreign relations and diplomacy  - He is completely presidential!
I haven't yet made up my mind on whether or not Mitt gets my vote, but I'm impressed by his resume.  
We've got a country struggling on the brink of a financial disaster, and stuck in a war because both sides are too pig headed to come to an agreement.
Then we're presented with a choice of candidates who push to drive us deeper into debt, in to war, and into economic downturn and we criticize the one of the few that has a history of impressive turnarounds not because of his qualifications, but because we don't agree with his view of god?  
Sure there's some questionable things about momoronism, but in the bible I read (king james version) there's some pretty questionable things too... What religion doesn't have things that sound completely insane to outsiders?  
So what about the moromons history? Once again, what church doesn't have some pretty colorful excerpts in the history column?
Now as far as a direct line to Salt Lake City... come on, do you have that little faith in the American system of checks and balances?
And to Mitt and everyone else in this race... What are you going to do to earn my vote?
This was a really awesome speech, and this only reinforces my support for Romney. He touched on everything that I feel very strongly about in recent years, regarding the fine line between separation of church and state without totally eliminating religion from the public sphere, giving examples of one extreme and the other. Those bigots who either want a secular atheistic religion as our state government or those who want some kind of intolerant, judgemental "Christian" state government are really the same, coming from opposite extremes. Both are prejudiced, bigoted, intolerant groups of people who are "quick to find fault", "quick to judge" and are so negative and bitter towards those who don't believe as they do, that a government with these kinds of people in power would be an oppressive and dictatorial one with little or no freedom. Mitt has shown that he is of neither extreme, and is not the type to be judgemental or bigoted towards those of differing religious beliefs, as long as they are good law-abiding citizens. Anti-Mormon comments which I see on this blog only show that the authors of such cannot be taken seriously, since they fit the category of extremists, who, if in a government position, would be abusive to those with beliefs different than theirs. No one except idiots would want such people running the government.
That speech was simply unbelievable. I literally teared up when he said the following:

"Recall the early days of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia, during the fall of 1774. With Boston occupied by British troops, there were rumors of imminent hostilities and fears of an impending war. In this time of peril, someone suggested that they pray. But there were objections. 'They were too divided in religious sentiments', what with Episcopalians and Quakers, Anabaptists and Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Catholics.

"Then Sam Adams rose, and said he would hear a prayer from anyone of piety and good character, as long as they were a patriot.

"And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God ... they founded this great nation.


Wow - just - wow
Religion is big business if you ask a Baptist about Mormons you can expect a negative responce, if you ask Mcdonalds about Burger Kings you can also expect a negative responce. I am glad to hear from Mitt Romney I think he made allot of sense and his family proves he is a good man.
pat huntington ny,

The Big Dig has been around for a long time (conceived in the 70's, funded over Reagan's veto and ground broken in 1991).  Mitt fought during most of his time as governor for more direct control over what was happening with it because it has been a debacle long before he was elected.  It took a gigantic cement ceiling tile killing someone for the stupid MA legislature to listen to him and fire the guy in charge of it.  

Please don't associate all Massachusetts ills with Mitt -- he fought a LOT of VERY uphill battles.  

And try doing some homework before posting.
"Sounds like the Bushies are convinced. By Bushies..I mean people who voted for Bush because they believed in his "moral convictions" while ignoring his record and actions. "

I read it pretty much the same. Calling Busg the "best alternative" - better than McCain in 00? Better than a flat tire in '04? Sorry.

I agree with my fellow ant hill worshiper that it shouldn't matter, but I'm scared to death of another ideologue with a much ballyhood faith, brain damage and a messianic complex itchin' to bring on the apocalypse - most of the GOP field.

Are mormons in that crowd that think the earth is 6,000 years old, and all those fossils are a conspiracy theory? Those guys scare me.
The speech was okay, but the problem I still have is that same thought has not been extended to Obama by Mitt and the Repubs. Mitt said "DON'T judge me because I'm a mormon, I can be president, but DON'T vote for Obama because he may be a scary muslim even though there is no proof." I know politics is dirty, but there are some lines that should not be crossed. If the Repubs and Mitt choose the light side and stop the religious baiting, then this was a great speech. If they choose the dark side and keep smearing Obama as some secret muslim plant, then all that has been said is total BS. Before you all jump down my throat remember Mitt said religious tolerance. As long as one can focus on our common values and lead from the constitution, them I have no problem with one's religion.
Voting for or against Mitt Romney because of his faith, is as fundamentally wrong as not voting for Hillary Clinton because of her gender, or Barack Obama because of the color of his skin.  As AMERICANS we have a Constitutional obligation to vote based on who it is we feel is best qualified to hold office.  Test yourself on the issues, are you for or against abortion, same sex marraige?  What about the war in Iraq? Where do you stand as an American?  Religious descrimination should not factor into the American voting process. In America it is against the law to hire or fire someone based on any of the following clasifications: Race, Sex, Religion, Age, and Disability.  If you believe in this practice of equallity, then as an American you owe it to yourselves, and your country to vote solely on who is the most qualified for the job. I know I will look at the issues that I hold dear, I will pray about them, and then I will vote accordingly.  And in no way will my vote be influenced by my evangelical beliefs, because I am not voting for a new Pastor, I am voting for President of the United States.
1 Beverly the pillars of this countries founding does NOT include moral values, brotherhood/sisterhood. Where in the constitution are those exact words. That is why some people think it is a requirement for POTUS candidates to giver sermons and testimonies to such to "moral values" and use it as a definition of being a leader. The government is not responsible for such issues....every individual acts in accordance to their own beliefs...but don't expect goverment to promote it as you and others of your attitude seem to believe.
I have felt sorry for Pat from NY for quite a while. Someone just needs to love this person. Every blog I read from this person reeks ignorance, bitterness and a life full of disappointment. It's not a matter of who you vote for or what you believe, but all you do is bash. You're mean spirited, it's truly quiet sad.

Personally, Romney is a leader that can be trusted to look up to. A man of optimism, courage, and strong convictions. Whether mine or not, HE HAS THIS FAMILIES VOTES!!!
StopHilary it is not put to rest because a pattern of flip flopping shows a degree of political calculation that does not equate with leadership. Just because he seems like a nice person or makes eloquent speeches doesn't change leadership ability.
Do I think mick is basicialy a good man, sure, do I care one way or the other what his religion is no,what I don't want is one more rich man in the whitehouse telling us he feels our pain. 20 years of Buses, clintons and  kennedys is enough,Huckeybe or obama are the kind of man we need to elect. will we do that probably not, politicians lie to us because we want them to,expect them to and won't vote for them if they don't,we want what is best for us, our state or our favorite pork project. The clintons have always had it right if we don't care for 1 lie just keep telling us more until we find one we agree with.
Bryden and California Landscaper. You are missing my point. Its not about Mitt's Landscaper or illegal aliens. They are a dime a dozen. Its about Mitt's double standard.  He is using the illegal alien issue as part of his campaign platform hoping to garner more votes ... in the meantime, he employs them. when he is called on it (twice) he does nothing until they investigate him. Romney needs to be judged by his actions not by some well oiled speech. When you do start looking at this man what he has said vs what he has done, he gives the term "flip flop" a whole new meaning. In 2004, the flip flop politcal term was brought to light by the GOP and it will come back to haunt them in 2008.
Harry in Phoenix:  They're all cults, yours included. Look at the REAL documented history of any religious movement (Christianity included) and you can find plenty of weird, cultish stuff to mock and name call over (or, as has all too often happened in our history, fight a war/commit an atrocity over - fantastically stupid and hypocritical as that would seem given the tenets most religions supposedly cherish.)

This isn't coming from an atheist either.  God is out there, and if he wasn't there to make it right someday, what a dreadful, unfair, unfortunate hell world this would be (we Americans, mostly, have it somewhat easier - look elsewhere, though, and you'll know what I mean.)  But I like to believe God is a just and good being, and doesn't send good, decent people to an eternal hell because out of a toss up of thousands of different religions, cultures, and competing ideas, they happened to pick the "wrong" one...  That would be a very unjust, capricious god, unworthy of worship.  Yet most "Christians" maintain this is the case if you don't happen to believe in Jesus as told in the Bible.  Just another way for some folks to feel superior I suppose, the same way as some use race as a reason to look down on others.  Bigotry is bigotry, doesn't matter what you base it on.  And I doubt God is happy about it.

As for Mitt, the religion thing wasn't an issue for me, one way or another.  So though it was a good speech and probably a good move in his campaign, I don't like his platform, and will take my vote elsewhere.
All,

Can one be a "pro-life" Democrat?
StopHilary foolishly writes that Romney's Flip-flops have "been put to rest". Read the thread and you will see that it is not the case. Instead of sugar coating Romney's flaws, try to find a legitimate reason to support him or to avoid Hilary. I'll research the issues and find my match but I am sure that I will not use the religion of Romney nor the gender of Hilary to influence my decision.
Lyn, WA:

See the following quote from Wikipedia:

"Biden (Joe Biden III aka Beau) is a member of the Delaware Army National Guard, as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General's office.

In August of 2007, he received notice that his unit would be deployed to Iraq some time in 2008. His father, Senator Biden, is on the record as saying, "I don't want him going. But I tell you what, I don't want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years, and so how we leave makes a big difference." [1]

He is going, apparently, but is not there yet.  Maybe it's a minor point, but your statement isn't accurate.

His son also will not likely serve in a combat role, as he is the current Attorney General of Delaware and in the guard serves with the Judge Advocate Generals office. Nevertheless, he should be commended for going in any capacity.


Joe Biden himself, the candidate for president, shows no military service though ample opportunity existed as he attended college and law school through the Vietnam conflict.

Mitt Romney also did not serve and apparently "avoided" it in the same way as Biden and millions of other young men, primarily by going to school.  In his case he also served his two and half year mission during this period.

Do you really think two presidential candidates with similar non-military records in their own right should be judged according to whether one of their sons may or may not have served?

Your comment about Romney's sons is irrelevant.  Hillary does not have a son or daughter serving and her husband did not serve.  Neither does Obama nor Edwards have children serving.  As far as I know, neither does Thompson or Guiliani or Huckabee or Kucinich.  

All you are really interested in is taking a cheap shot at Mitt Romney and, apparently his sons.
For what it's worth, I also might add that Joe Biden married while in law school in 1966 and that his story of non-military service isn't all that different than Dick Cheney's.

Victor- Romney said this is not the time about changing the "don't ask don't tell" policy- not about whether or not gays should be in the military.  He has indicated that changing the DADT policy during a war would be risky for all the military including the gays- wait till a time of peace to deal with social issues.

Scott- have you never had a change of heart about anything?  Romney has explained several times (including during the last debate), why and when his position on abortion changed (when he was faced with a bill about embryonic stem cell research).  By the way, even when he was pro-choice a few years ago, he still said he personally thought abortion was wrong.  So he's in essence always felt the same way, he's just had a change of heart about whether or not the practice should be legal.

Doug- I think a Mitt/Mike ticket would be great, considering that they are the two best candidates in the party right now.  I'd be ok with a Mike/Mitt too.

Jeff- VERY well said!

Tom- Funny!

Mark- when did Mitt say that people should not vote for Obama because he "might" be a muslim?  I don't recall ever hearing that and I've considered voting for both of them... just wondering.

RGO- like the abortion question, Romney has also addressed the landscaper issue several times.  He hired an American company that employeed hispanics.  He did not know they were illegals, and as he pointed out to Rudy, it would be racist to question every spanish speaking individual he ever meets about his papers.  The responsibility was the company's, not Mitt's.  When he found out they were illegals, he told the company to fix it or he would fire them.  He followed through.  How is that a flip-flop?  The INS knows who the company was, if they want to go after them, they certainly can.

Everyone, firstread blogs are so interesting, and the varied opinions make for really good reading... but at least be up with the current information when you post.  Rehashing the same old arguments gets boring :)  Just my opinion
Mark, NC:

The only smearing of Obama on the bogus muslim/education in a madrassa charge lately has been from Hillary's camp.  Not that she had anything to do with it.

Maybe a citation to back up your absurd "quotes"?
another mitt-flop
So everyone who thought Romney's speech was all warm and fuzzy ... how much would you like to bet you would've rolled your eyes if it was a Muslim or a Buddhist giving the same speech (sans the Christ references) who was running for President. If the same man were a satanist, atheist, or even a Jehovah's Witness, you would be prejudiced. If one candidate should get to have the national spotlight and every headline for a speech on faith, they all should. But will they all get the same sympathy? Nope. Just the "martyrs." He just took another giant step toward Democrat for me.
I am agnostic and follow no particular religion. I believe there is a god and if one is honest and faithful, works hard and respects and helps his fellow man, he will earn his way to heaven. The variations and respect of different religions make America great. Mitt Romney is a fine man, married 36 years, with a fine family and a strong successful background in managing one of the most liberal states in the nation.    The mormon religion teaches its followers to refrain from liquor, drugs, smoking which certainly is good advice. All religions prescribe the good life and give followers something to believe in. Mitt has promised not to take away my occasional Bud-Lite so lets give this strong leader and presidential candidate consideration as he may be our best chance to defeat Billary and the Socialist Gang.
To Harry in AZ:

As both a Mormon and a woman, your statements about this church being a cult and its opinion of women and blacks are nothing but LIES.  100% LIES.  Want to know how the Mormon (LDS) church views women and blacks?  Ask Gladys Knight--a woman, a black, AND a MORMON (it's true...ask her yourself.  I've heard her myself talk about her conversion).

Mormons ARE Christians, not some weirdo cult.  We share beliefs and morals with most of America.  The LDS church will NOT run Mitt's presidency.  Every election year the church presidency sends a letter to be read in all meetings, which reaffirms the POLITICAL NEUTRALITY of the church, and re-states that they DO NOT ENDORSE ANY CANDIDATE (including Mr. Romney).  They only urge all of us, no matter our political stance, to vote.  Vote for Hillary, vote for Mitt, or vote for Mr. Jones down the street: just vote.

Mitt is the right man for the job.  He also happens to be a Mormon.  So what??
You dont have to agree with theology to agree that real and authentic faith is important for our leaders.
I appreciate that he
a) has faith
b) he is passionate about it
c) he lives it out
d) and he talks about it.

I certainly don't agree with the tenents of the LDS church, but i like how he has elevated the discussion.
For an evangelical’s perspective, go to the Red Letter Believers blog at:

http://redletterbelievers.blogspot.com/2007/12/romney-speaks-out.html

Mev,Marlboro MA:

Thanks for the clarification, Mev.  It could be said that Ted Kennedy has more to do with the Big Dig than Romney, along with more than one prior governor.

Thanks for setting Pat, Huntington NY straight though you could be tilting at windmills in that instance.
why no mention of romney exploiting Pearl Harbor day????  

so much for the liberal media.

so much for a day that will live in infamy.
shame on romney for trying to make money on Pearl Harbor day. he gives the speech today and plans a major fund raising push tomorrow Dec.7. either callous or ignorant. he could have given that speech on Dec15 or Jan.8 but he decides all of a sudden to cordinate it with Pearl Harbor day?

no such thing as a coincidence people.

flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop,flip-flop
A comment on "...Freedom Requires Religion..."  Freedom requires morals, without morals society reverts to self interest, freedom most certainly suffers.  What are the forces that develop and keeps morals in society?  Many religions serve this function.  Good morals are fostered by many types of religions.  So, does freedom require religion?  In many ways I would say yes.  What other force in society instills good morals....Hollywood?
Some of these cult bloggers crack me up.  Harry in Phoenix, try READING the Book of Mormon...put it and our doctrine through the test.  Do some real examination, know your facts.  I'd say you're ignorant at best and unfortunately, have an opportunity via this site to state some pretty silly (e.g. stupid), mindless opinions about something you obviously no very littel about factually.  Where do you pick up that stuff?  From some other misinformed blogger?  

Read the book...do the work...visit a Mormon congregation...see what this great Church stands for and what it espouses.  My gosh, you are an idiot and yes, I am a pragmatic, moderate California Mormon who feels your head is buried up your rear orifice a little too far.  I'd like my response to be more Christian.  But since some leaflet you probably read formed your opinion about our "cult" beliefs, I cna be a bit more secular in my response and address your stupidity with greater candor.

Mitt Romney hates muslims, so far as I can tell, so he is not a real religious person.  I don't care what religion he is and fact that he doesn't realize that there are two americas, when there are 37 million people living beneath the poverty line, also tells me what kind of person he is.  He cares only about the rich like himself, tax breaks for the rich and corporations, rattles sabors and believes in continuing the war in Iraq and the other countries in the middle east. Mr. Romney, is not presidential material, just like Obama isn't. Get lost Romney go back to whereever you came from.  You couldn't shine JFK's shoes should he have lived.
Who cares which superstition he believes in, there all delusional. For example he states as fact that all the good deeds of man are because of some old space daddy. Very narrow minded for someone who want to be President.
Actually, I think it's Hillary's camp trying to smear Obama as a Muslim, not the Repubs...yet, anyway.
Mitts glossy speech may be easy to eat up, but remember the presidential race is just a job interview. Like any one of us, we put on our best face for the job. Afterwards, how much of our old habits then return.In this sense I must consider Mitts past political history vs. what he is offering now.
To:
Jeff, Bellingham, Washington (Sent Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:36 PM)

Well stated and thoughtful references. I will take Romney at his word.
For an intelligent evangelical response to the speech, check out:

www.redletterbelievers.blogspot.com
A man should never be judged by his words. Mitt Romney was the recipient of a well written speech to which he read very well. Don't be swayed by such. Religion is based on faith not fact for that alone I would venture to say that all religions are cultish. What religion did Jesus practice? and was he not Jewish? Just a thought. Arguing about beliefs is a waste of time because beliefs are thoughts of convenience. George Bush is supposed to be a Christian yet his works are totally opposite. I say vote for the person who wrote the speech whoever that is.

Mitt says that his religion will not control his predidency. That is an impossibility. Mormon is who he says he is and will absolutely control his decisions
Harry,Phonix,AZ.
Son: I am trying to agree to disagree however, for what I can understand you dont have any idea of what yo are talking about. Having a master degree means nothing. Please do not misunderstand me I am a thinker and Gnostic; I don't believe in any religion that is leaded by an elite for personal gaining and power.
When Jesus was on earth he came to teach and help those that were oppressed and abuse by the upper elite. He came not to save any one, he came to show they way (He was a Gnostic)
The old testament is full of errors and misinterpretations, the new testament has been re-written to serve religion but even that it has been re-written and change there are parts that have been untouched because they can not understand it. Due to the fact that they see no damage's,the parts that I am talking about hide great secret not revealed to only a few.
Ask any question and I will answer.
A friend.
As an actress, one eloquent speech doesn't convince me. Yes, it kept a nice cadence , well said, good poise, etc. But it is imperative that we construct an accurate picture by taking into serious account one's record. Do we see consistency? Of course I need not expound on what many are questioning about Romney's consistency, but in my observations the one consistent thing about Mormons is their inconsistency. And yes, I've attended the church of the L.D.S., talked numerous times with Mormons, researched their beliefs. I urge anyone who is truly interested to do the same. It DOES make a difference what religion defines our President because that's what defines his moral values (and yes, atheism is a religion). Moral values also go more than skin or campaign-deep. Romney's flip-flopping  is consistent with his church's doctrines, where truth is more of a convienent commodity. I like Mike Huckabee because wether I agree with him on everything or not, at least he's doggone consistent, and that's a moral value I can stand to have in the White House.
Great speech?
  All i seen him do is ramble on, side step,duck ,bob,and weave. Your typical,no strait answer politician.
  If he was so proud of his faith,and thinks it's christian why did'nt he get specific?
    Wake up America!........Vote Ron Paul !


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