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Oh-eight (R): Drivin’ Miss Judi

Posted: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:09 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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AP-Ipsos is the latest national poll that has Huckabee in second place. Giuliani leads at 26%, followed by Huckabee at 18% (an 8-point increase from a month ago), McCain at 13%, Romney at 12%, and Thompson at 11%.

GIULIANI: “Drivin’ Miss Judi” is on the cover of the New York Daily News. From the article: "Judith Nathan got taxpayer-funded chauffeur services from the NYPD earlier than previously disclosed - even before her affair with then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani was revealed, witnesses and sources tell the Daily News."  More: “‘It went on for months before the affair was public,’ said Lee Degenstein, 52, a retired Smith Barney vice president who formerly lived at 200 E. 94th St., Nathan's old building. ‘It was going on longer than anybody thought,’ added Degenstein, who, along with others in the neighborhood, said they often saw Nathan hopping into unmarked NYPD cars in early 2000, before the affair was revealed that May.”

“When pressed by The News Thursday, aides to the Republican presidential hopeful conceded that Nathan got police protection ‘sporadically’ before December 2000 - the previously acknowledged beginning of her taxpayer-funded detail.” 
 
More not-so-great press in the Boston Globe, which writes about criticism Giuliani has received from gay-rights groups over his AIDS policy while NYC mayor.

HUCKABEE: Huckabee said of Romney’s speech. “I think it's a good thing and healthy for all of us for people to discuss faith in the public square. I have nothing but respect for his coming forth and sharing what he did. I've been very clear about my own personal views. I think all of us who seek the office of president should be candid with the American people."

Two former parole board members, who served during Huckabee’s time as governor and voted on Wayne Dumond’s parole, told First Read that Huckabee initiated and encouraged Dumond’s parole. Huckabee earlier told NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell that he did not pressure the board in anyway. “My mistake was in thinking that everybody who was talking about him -- from the prison system on -- was right... I supported the parole. And I regret that. Because it was horrible what ended up happening. But his commutation was actually something that happened when Bill Clinton was governor, and Jim Guy Tucker signed as lieutenant governor. The parole board that paroled him was all Clinton and Tucker appointees. So when people say I pressured the board, that's nonsense!”
 
But the board members who spoke to First Read disagreed. “He did come and mention the Dumond case. We would have no reason to mention the Dumond case to him,” said Deborah Sutlar, a Democrat and a Gov. Jim Guy Tucker-appointee, who is not shy about the fact that she campaigned against Huckabee when he ran for governor. She served from 1994 to 2001 and said she is supporting Obama in the presidential race. Sutlar said Dumond’s parole had been denied every other time it came up, but Huckabee came to the board and encouraged the board to parole Dumond and that the board then held an executive session to discuss the case.
 
Huckabee met with the board “to encourage them to parole Wayne Dumond,” added Erma Pondexter, a Bill Clinton appointee, who was a part-time board member and considers herself “non-partisan.” She said she is undecided in the presidential race but leaning toward either Clinton or Romney. She said she liked some of the things Huckabee did as governor, but is unsure of him for president, though she said she’d consider voting for him.
 
Pondexter said she wasn’t at the initial meeting with Huckabee, but that at the full meeting “it was shared what the concerns were and the concerns of Governor Huckabee. I was approached by the chair and other board members that Huckabee wanted Dumond paroled, and I went along with the crew.” She added, “I don’t think he’d want that on his shoulders -- to pardon him. I’m quite sure from a political standpoint that would be devastating, therefore he used the parole board to do that.”
 
The Huckabee campaign didn’t return an email and phone message for comment.

On MSNBC’s Live with Dan Abrams last night, Pondexter and Dr. Charles Chastain, a professor at the University of Arkansas and former parole board member, echoed the sentiments. “There’s no question that the governor brought up the issue of releasing Wayne Dumond,” Chastain said. “The governor said things like, ‘I know this is a difficult job, I know you do a good job, good service, but there is one case I would like to talk to you about,’ whereupon the chairman of the board immediately said, ‘we’ll go into executive session.’”
 
During the session, Chastain recalls Huckabee said, ‘Well the case that I want to talk to you about is this Wayne Dumond, I just have looked at this case, quite a bit and I think that maybe he’s just a guy from the wrong side of the tracks, who got a raw deal, after all he got a pretty stiff sentence.’ And I responded by saying, ‘Governor, if you rape a cheerleader in a small town like that, you’re going to get a long sentence, if you’re convicted. And furthermore, that sentence had been changed by former Gov. Tucker to 39½ years.’”
 
Huckabee, though, acknowledged on Meet the Press with Tim Russert that he met with parole members “to get acquainted with them because I hadn’t appointed any of them.”
 
Russert asked, “You never mentioned Wayne Dumond?”
 
No, they brought it up to me,” Huckabee responded.

NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy was with Huckabee last night in Greensboro.  For his part, Huckabee seemed comfortable in the spotlight, if not just a bit unprepared. After botching what he called "an ambush question" from a reporter earlier in the week on the content of the most recent NIE released by the Bush administration, Huckabee addressed its findings and his earlier lack of information. “It came out at ten in the morning," Huckabee said. "I think it was late that afternoon and the reporter said have you read it. You know, George Bush had had it for four years and he hadn't read it yet, so I don't really know that it was a big deal that I had not yet seen it and read it because we had been on the campaign trail nonstop. In fact I was saying to the reporters, you know the reason I haven't seen it is because you guys have been tailing me all day asking me questions."

Per USA Today, has Huckabee manager Chip Saltsman said that “Huckabee draws bigger crowds these days and collected more than $2 million online in November -- double his take from July to September. The campaign recently has taken in an additional $250,000 over the Internet.”

MCCAIN: The Wall Street Journal does the "is McCain on the comeback in NH" story. "Now, Mr. McCain's chief rivals are running into turbulence. Mitt Romney has been overtaken in the polls in Iowa by Mike Huckabee, raising broader concerns about Mr. Romney's viability among the evangelical base. Rudy Giuliani faces new questions about his ethics as mayor. Fred Thompson continues to be dogged by doubts about his energy for the fight. All of that may be prompting Republicans to give Mr. McCain a second look -- particularly in New Hampshire. He recently won the endorsement of the state's largest newspaper. And on a weeklong campaign swing this week, he is drawing capacity crowds at the diners and townhall meetings where much of state's campaigning takes place."

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I don't see who raised the question as a big deal. The previous Democrat Governor had already reduced the Dumond's sentence, so it was agreed that there was a problem there. The Parole Board of Democrat appointees looked at the case and granted the parole. Huckabee wanted the guy paroled. They all wish now that they had let Dumond rot in jail, but now and then, when you try to help someone, it blows up in your face. Of course, Huckabee opponents will try to make a Willie Horton case out of this for political gain. Hopefully the voters are smarter than that. Were any guys that Huckabee pardoned /commuted subsequently convicted of serious crimes ?
Driving Miss Judy - LOL!  Rudy is sinking fast as people get a taste of the real so called America's Mayor.  He's crash, rude, and mean, a downright bully.  We've had enought of him here.  We wouldn't to give him to the rest of the nation.
Mike Huckabee, you are just the kind ogf STAND UP guy we want as president.  I'm highly impresssssssssed.

You, you as governor of Arkansas parole a rapist and killer and when the man repeats his behavior.  When the media jumps on because you could be a threat to their appointed RUDY...what do you do?  You prove that you are a real true American Republican.

You run straight to Repbulican talking points.

IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT YOUR FAULT BECAUSE two membbers who also voted for the parole were Bill CLinton appointees from years ago.

So..it really was not your fault...Bill Clinton did it!!!

Pretty impressive, Pastor Huckabee
I can't understand how anyone can be so naive as to think that Rudy being as underhanded as he was as mayor could possibly be any different as a president.
Maybe thats why he supports Bush more than any other candidate. As important as it is going to be to clean up the mess this administration has left us, Rudy is the last man we need. It just blows me away how his supporters can't see this.
I'm from Arkansas. If you are thinking about voting for Governor Huckabee, my suggestion is that you really need to take a long hard look BEYOND the humor and  preacher presentation.  You may be surprised and not like what you see.  
McCain is the only one who could work with the senate and really make change, the other repubs are weak on everything, experience, knowledge and trust, too bad the party is not interested in any of that. They are afraid of the information that will come out after Bush and company are gone.
Wait a second... The Huckabee campaign says that they were never contacted by you guys in this story and it seems kind of suspicious that someone would either support Clinton or Romney... that's like saying I vote for chocolate but also insulin... I dont know which I want most... either she's retarded or you guys are making it up. This story sounds a little concocted. I have Chip Saltsman's number... if you really want to get the true story. You should hire me for the staff I wouldn't have the left with a cop out like they wouldn't respond. Every good reporter can find someone who will say something. Nice detective work NBC.
I don't think this is a big deal at all. If the parole members had said that Huckabee pushed for the parole extremely hard and threatened their jobs, then there would be an issue. Gov. Huckabee didn't want to commute his sentence, and based on the clean record of Dumond and his behavior in prison, he personally thought a better option would be parole with supervision.

The parole board still had all of the authority, and not Gov. Huckabee. He can't initiate a parole, nor stop it. So the parole somewhat blaming Huckabee doesn't make much sense.

There's just no big bombshell in this. The media is trying to make something out of nothing. This was a big issue during his reelection in 2002 and he won the election by 7 or 8 percentage points.

December 06, 2007
FORMER HUCKABEE AIDE DENOUNCES HUFFPO DISTORTION;
Corroborates Huckabee Account of Disputed Meeting:
"He was not trying to influence the Board"


A report on the left-wing blog, The Huffington Post makes allegations against Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee that are inaccurate and distort the truth.  According to the HuffPo article, Olan W. "Butch" Reeves, a former senior aide of former Governor Mike Huckabee, "directly contradicts" the Governor's account of a meeting between himself and the Arkansas state parole board that took place on October 31, 1996.  

In fact, Mr. Reeves completely corrobates Mr. Huckabee's account of the meeting.

As background to the controversy, in 1985, Wayne DuMond was convicted of raping Ashley Stephens and was sentenced to life in prison.  Subsequently, in 1992 then-Governor of Arkansas, Jim Guy Tucker granted executive clemency for DuMond which commuted his sentence to 39.5 years.  This act made DuMond immediately eligible for parole.

In 1996, Mike Huckabee became Governor of Arkansas.  That August the Post Prison Transfer Board reviewed a request for a pardon from DuMond and decided to recommend to the Governor that the request had "no merit."  That decision was sent to the Governor.  The Board's decision is a recommendation and not binding on the Governor.

When the Governor received the file with the recommendation from the Board, his review of the case led him to issue an "intent to grant" the clemency.   There then followed a mandatory period for the Governor to receive comments from the public.  The DuMond case was very controversial and the Governor received many comments, both supporting and opposing his consideration of a pardon.

During this time period, the Board - which was composed entirely of Democrats appointed either by Bill Clinton, or Jim Guy Tucker -- issued an invitation to the new Republican Governor to come to a meeting to become acquainted and discuss his philosophy of clemency.

Please note a crucial distinction:  clemency (or pardon) is separate and distinct from parole.  Only the Governor can grant clemency or pardon; the Parole Board reviews and grants parole.  The Governor is not involved in parole decisions.

It is this October '96 meeting which is now the focus of attention.  One of the Board members, Charles Chastain, is now alleging publicly that the Governor used that meeting to pressure the Board to grant DuMond parole.

In fact, just the opposite is true:  Mr. Chastain attempted to dissuade Governor Huckabee from his intent to grant clemency to DuMond.  

"They are saying that the Governor was trying to persuade them to grant parole," said Reeves, "it was the other way around, they were trying to persuade him not to grant clemency."

At the time Mr. Reeves served as chief counsel to the Governor and attended the October meeting with Governor Huckabee in his official capacity.

Mr. Reeves asserts categorically that parole for DuMond was "never mentioned" during the meeting.  ("I told this guy [Waas], that's not why we had that meeting.") The quotes attributed to Reeves in The Huffington Post article, authored by Murray Waas, all relate to a conversation which was about Governor Huckabee's stated intention to grant DuMond clemency.

This is a very simple distinction that Waas fails to make.  The context of the discussion that occurred - and Governor Huckabee has not denied that a discussion occurred - was the question of whether or not Governor Huckabee would grant clemency, not whether or not the Board would grant parole.  The Board's decision had already been made and their recommendation was already on the Governor's desk.

In the midst of a general discussion about the Governor's general philosophy related to clemency, one of the Board members asked the Governor about the DuMond case and his intention to grant clemency (which was public knowledge due to the notice of intent.)

The Governor responded by stating that he believed the facts warranted his decision to initiate a notice of intent.  As has been reported, he added that he believed DuMond had gotten a bad deal from the justice system. (This goes to the stated purpose of the meeting which was for the Governor to communicate to the Board his clemency philosophy.)   Note that this does parallel the quotes attributed to Reeves by Waas in the Huffington Post:

"But, according to Reeves, Huckabee actually told the parole board members that the prison sentence meted out to Dumond for his rape conviction was "outlandish" and "way out of bounds for his crime."

Again, the Governor made these comments to explain his position on the clemency request, not to persuade the Board to grant parole.  The Board had already decided against parole.   "Parole was not an issue; it didn't come up," said Reeves.

In response to the Governor's explanation of why he intended to grant DuMond clemency, Chastain then stated why he was against it.  The Governor, according to Reeves replied, "Well, okay, it's a difference of opinion."  And the discussion ended.

The Huffington Post article asserts that the Reeves account contradicts the Governor's version when, in fact, everything Mr. Reeves describes corroborates Governor Huckabee's statement on the issue, as quoted by Waas:



"This stands in stark contrast to Huckabee's assertion, repeated at a press conference today that he "did not ask [the board] to do anything." When asked directly about trying to influence the board, Huckabee responded: "No. I did not. Let me categorically say that I did not."
"He never mentioned parole at that meeting," says Mr. Reeves.  "The Governor was talking about clemency."

On January 16, 1997 the Board took up a reconsideration of DuMond's parole request and voted to grant parole with the stipulation that DuMond be paroled out of state.

The vote was as follows:  
4 members voted yes.  LeRoy Brownlee, Chairman; Fred Allen, Jr.; Ermer Poindexter; Railey Steele;
1 voted no.  Dr. Charles Chastain.  
There were 2 abstentions.  Deborah Suttler and August Pieroni.

That same afternoon the Governor denied the clemency request.  He sent a letter to DuMond that has been widely reported saying, (excerpted):
"Dear Wayne, I have reviewed your applications for executive clemency, specifically a commutation and/or pardon. ... My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel now that parole is the best way for your reintegration into society. ... Therefore, after careful consideration ... I have denied your applications."
The Governor's approach to the DuMond case has been consistent.  As he expressed in the letter, he did believe that DuMond should be released from prison.   However, he denied clemency/pardon FOUR TIMES.  Even after the Board granted parole with the out-of-state stipulation, Governor Huckabee denied two subsequent clemency requests.  DuMond could not find a state which would take him, so he remained in prison for TWO MORE YEARS.  It was during this time that the Governor continued to deny him clemency.  

If the Governor was actively seeking to release DuMond, he could have easily done so by granting him clemency.  He did not do so.

Finally, September 16, 1999 the Board, during a regular progress report on DuMond, dropped the out-of state condition for parole.  The Governor took no action to promote this decision and did not know it was coming.

In October of that year, DuMond was released.  


I’d like to know if this parole is of concern to me.  

Can you compile a list of all parole board members and contact each of them for their take on the various meetings?  

Huckabee keeps talking about all of these Clinton/Tucker appointments… but it would be helpful to know the present day views of all members, plus any prior (public) statements.
For supporters of "above the law" lying, fascist tools I can see why Rudy is so attractive.

The only possible way to do worse than Bush - go for it, rightwingnuts!
I wonder how this ties in to Huckabee's "joke" a month or two ago where he talked of other candidates "in a bathtub with razor blades."

Real Christian talk there for you, folks.
pat: Driving Miss Judy - LOL!  Rudy is sinking fast as people get a taste of the real so called America's Mayor.

Rudy is going down fast. Next we're going to find out Rudy had the state police driving his hooker girlfriends around, just like Billy C. did.
"issued an invitation to the new Republican Governor to come to a meeting to become acquainted and discuss his philosophy of clemency."

Does a copy of this invitation exist?  Email perhaps?

"In the midst of a general discussion about the Governor's general philosophy related to clemency, one of the Board members asked the Governor about the DuMond case and his intention to grant clemency (which was public knowledge due to the notice of intent.)

The Governor responded by stating" etc.

Do meeting minutes exist?  If so, there should be a motion, including an explanation, for entering executive session.  Does the motion mention clemency or pardon, neither or both?

"That same afternoon the Governor denied the clemency request"

Before or after the governor knew (or ought to have known) the parole was granted?  If parole was not granted, would a pardon/clemency have been granted?  Do any contemporaneous documents or public statements exist?
regarding my prior post, skip the question about intent because the Governor wrote:

"My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel now that parole is the best way for your reintegration into society."

so the critical question is... did he decide to refuse clemency before (or after) he knew (or ought to have known) about the parole being approved?
Huckabee is sounding more dishonest by the day...Did Jesus do that to the campaign also?
Driving Miss Judi home is more like it eh Rudy? You reps are going to have a tough time picking your guys this time around...lets be honest, you evangelicals really don't believe Romney is anything but a cult member....huckster has the delivery of a southern preacher and the record of a pie eyed liberal tax and spender...the rudy and judi show is really unattractive to the party of family values...john mcbush hung his hat on the war so we'll have to see on that one...fred flintstone is well, fred flinstone only slower...good luck on this bunch of losers
Huckabee BUSTED ON DAN ABRAMS MSNBC 12/6/2007

Dan Abrams ripped Huckabee's heart out last night.  He played the jan 07 clip with Huckabee saying he did not...   Then the parole board members basically called him a liar.  The one guy said he only met with the gov once in 7 years and the govenors bodyguard was a former student and he remembered the meeting very clearly.  Another was not at the meeting but at the next meeting she stated she was informed about the meeting by other parole board members that the Gov introduced the subject and wanted a parole granted.  Both claimed it was highly irregular.

Also the Ark newspaper has numerous stories showing how Huckabee granted clemency more times around 800 in 8 years than all 8 surrounding states even thought the surrounding states have 100 times the population.  Someone needs to bring this story to the forefront.

This guy is a bigot and a person who believes his interpretation of the law is more significant than the rule of law.
HUCKABEE ALSO DISHONEST ABOUT NIE...

The number of hours between the story hitting the press and the supposed gotcha question was 35 hours.  Any moron with a blackberry would have known this was big news.  He seems to think we are idiots and is referencing the presidents news conference earlier in the day.  
to iris t

Brian Williams was also on conference call with Huff Post Reporter - confirms Huckabee aides initial description. = HUCKABEE BUSTED AGAIN - REAL JOURNALIST REAL STORY! NOT A LEFT WING AGENDA.  

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/12/huckabee-aide-g.html
Clinton cult members making excuses for mistakes due to pressure from a republican. That sounds familiar for some reason. Must be a bitch to not have a mind of your own.
What's with all the Republicans and this study stream of Lying? Have they been listening to Karl Rove tapes about how if you say a lie enough times, everybody will believe it?  And later, when the truth comes out, what then? There are Degrees of Psychosis gripping the Republicans, habitual lying being the first clue. Now it's Huckabee's turn.
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa: What's with all the Republicans and this study stream of Lying?

Maybe its just you. You sound depressed.


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