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Oh-eight (D): Hillary's personal scars

Posted: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:10 AM by Mark Murray
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BIDEN: Yesterday, Biden called for AG Michael Mukasey to appoint a special counsel to investigate the “CIA's destruction of videotaped interrogations of two suspected terrorists,” the AP writes. “Biden asserted the ‘easiest, straightest thing to do is to take it out of the political realm, appoint a special prosecutor and let them decide, and call _ call it where it is. Is there a criminal violation? If there is, proceed. If not, don't.’”

Meanwhile, the Biden campaign goes up with some new TV ads this week in Iowa.

CLINTON: The New York Times’ Leibovich has been on "who is Hillary?" duty for the paper for some time. His latest piece delves into her ability to talk about her battle scars, while also "keeping [her] guard up." One interesting quote from HRC: “Mrs. Clinton said it is a constant challenge to protect herself emotionally and still connect with the people she yearns to serve. ‘It’s not easy, and I don’t think it’s ever been easy,’ she said. ‘You go out into public, and no one, whether you’re running for office, or going to work for a newspaper, or running a subway car, you never are open with every nerve ending.’”

The Los Angeles Times looks at the three generations of Rodham/Clinton women that hit the trail over the weekend. "Try as she might, Clinton found it difficult to overcome the reality that a certain supremely popular television celebrity was in the state, campaigning for one of her chief rivals.

Bill Clinton was also on the stump in South Carolina, courting black voters -- on the same day Oprah was in the Palmetto State. “Just because Obama has netted the endorsement of one of America's most influential black figures, the Clinton campaign isn't about to cede the field of black voters. Traveling with Clinton was Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a lion of the civil-rights movement. Without mentioning Obama, Lewis pointedly dismissed him as too green for the White House. ‘Hillary Clinton, like so many of us, is not a Johnny-come-lately,’ he said. ‘She believes health care is a right.’”

Bloomberg’s Al Hunt has some behind the scenes in "Hillaryland" claiming tension between Bill and the campaign. "There are also political strains with her greatest asset and surrogate, Bill Clinton. The former president was quoted last month as saying he had really opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning; he later claimed he was misquoted. Top Clinton campaign officials were privately furious at the former president, saying he had revived the complaint that the Clintons lack credibility, unfairly tarnishing his wife in the process.”

Hunt also notes this: "And her campaign has a near-obsession with what it perceives as a hostile press. They were incensed at a New York Times story that reported skepticism about Hillary's contention that her proposal to overhaul health care would help a lot more people than the plan of her rival."

Um, the Clinton campaign doesn't need more endorsements like the one Andrew Young gave to Clinton; the press has no sense of humor when it comes to Bill's personal life. Here's the full context of what Young said.

And the Clinton camp asked for the resignation of another Iowa supporter who forwarded the Obama-is-a-Muslim email.

EDWARDS: Kicking off his eight-day tour through Iowa, Edwards will say this, according to excerpts his campaign provided to First Read: “I grew up in a family where my grandmother walked to work at the mill every day wearing her apron. My grandfather, who was partially paralyzed, hauled rolls of cloth using one arm. My dad worked in those mills for 36 years, my mom worked too -- all of them for one reason -- to give us a chance to rise up and have a better life. That's the greatness of America - the promise that every generation will give its children the chance to rise higher, dream bigger, live greater.”

More: “When I talk about the Two Americas, this is what I mean -- the very wealthiest and most powerful have manipulated our government for their own ends. They use their wealth and their power to keep themselves wealthy and powerful at the expense of everyone else. And when they do that, they're holding America back. But that's about to change. You can feel it here in Iowa. Because America can't be held back. Because America belongs to us.”

As mentioned above, actors Kevin Bacon and Tim Robbins will be joining Edwards on part of his eight-day tour through Iowa. All Iowa Democratic caucus-goers have six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon, right?

At a fund-raiser for Iowa Rep. Dave Loebsack (D), Edwards took an implicit swipe at Clinton. “Edwards asked residents in the room that when they go to caucus, that they back the person they can trust,” the Des Moines Register reports. "We have to have a president that you can depend on," he said. "We have to have a president who will tell you the truth."

The hometown paper, the Raleigh News & Observer, checks in on Edwards' campaign. "Edwards' involvement in social issues is deeper than his critics acknowledge. Before entering politics, he served on the board of Urban Ministries, a local program that helps people in poverty, and he contributed $85,000 to the organization. Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, also spent several million dollars creating two after-school learning labs to serve primarily underprivileged children at two high schools in Raleigh and Goldsboro."

OBAMA: Per NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan, Obama will head to the West Coast today to hold a roundtable on retirement security in Las Vegas, and then will attend a star-studded fundraiser in Los Angeles, which will include Scarlett Johansson and a performance by the Goo Goo Dolls. Also today, the campaign will file papers to run in the primaries in Rhode Island and New Jersey. And in Maryland, grassroots supporters for the campaign have arranged for Rep. Elijah Cummings (D) and 30 religious leaders to hold a press conference on why they are endorsing Obama.

Is it time for more vetting of Obama? No doubt the Clinton and Edwards camps hope so. Looks like some in the chattering class believe it's coming. The Des Moines Register's Yepsen asks: "Why is Hillary Clinton stepping up her attacks on Obama? Obama's ahead. She needs to cut him down to size. It's risky, because some caucus-goers don't like tiffs. Still, she can't just can't sit back and do nothing.”

“Despite the risks, it's important for Democrats to understand the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate. Clinton's negatives are well known, Obama's less so. Any shortcomings, inconsistencies or misstatements in Obama's past will be exploited by Republicans in the fall campaign if he's the nominee. It's best for Democrats to vet them now."

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Nobody cares about Hillary except some few followers. She talked about scar, yet, she is turning up the heat against the republican. What an irony!!!  It is ironic she is talking about scar, when in fact; all she ever talked about is beating the Republican and demonizing folks that disagree with her?
Another Hillary supporter resigned because of mailing false information. I am pretty sure the campaign is aware of this long before it became public.

The question for Senator Clinton is this; would she send another round of emails exonerating Obama and apologizing on his behalf for sending wrong information?
Hillary has been viciously attacked for years with nasty untrue books written by money hungry authors.

When checked out we find that most of the supposed facts are lies and have no truth to them or are twisted.  I wonder if any one of us could have stood up to the lies and attacks on our character.  I can tell you.  Not one of us could.  

Just wait, if  Obama is the Dem candidate or even elected president...just wait.  He will be vilified by the Republican attack machine just as Hillary is.  Unfair racists slurs will hit, his boring professor rhetoric will be laughed at, his wife and her comments will be twisted into something vile including her commentds earlier that their daughters didn't like to go to Obama's bed because he was too stinky and he snored too much.  They liked girl talk in Michelle's bed.  Wait until the press and Rep begin on her past comments...they will have a field day.  And it will be wrong but that is what is done to Democratic presidents these days.  Don't think it is just the Clintons, although Bill opened them up to the vicious attacks.  Things are personal now unless you are a REP.  The same thing will happen to Pres. Obama.  His words that sound so fresh now will come back to haunt him in Rep attacks
Without mentioning Obama, Lewis pointedly dismissed him as too green for the White House. ‘Hillary Clinton, like so many of us, is not a Johnny-come-lately,’ he said. ‘She believes health care is a right.’”

Excuse me????????????

With a lot of people deciding they don't want health insurance, wouldn't it not be considered a right if you don't want health insurance, like so many people have stated?

You should earn your rights
not expect them....


Um, the Clinton campaign doesn't need more endorsements like the one Andrew Young gave to Clinton; the press has no sense of humor when it comes to Bill's personal life. Here's the full context of what Young said.

The link is not available.....
Maybe Bill didn't care for it and ordered it blocked..


The Des Moines Register's Yepsen asks: "Why is Hillary Clinton stepping up her attacks on Obama?

Starting at pre-school must be the Clinton way of starting from the ground up....



Hillary's historic statement at the United Nations Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 that "women's rights are human rights" still echoes worldwide. As a lawyer, advocate, First Lady, and senator, Hillary has fought for issues important to women here at home and around the world for decades. Today, despite the progress women have made, they earn only 77 cents for every dollar men earn -- and women of color earn even less. Hillary is leading the charge in the Senate to strengthen equal pay laws and end pay disparities between men and women. She introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act to strengthen the penalties associated with wage discrimination, to ensure that the federal government sets a higher standard, and to increase oversight of employers. Hillary has also worked to increase access to capital and other support for women-owned businesses.
When it comes to each woman's ability to make the most personal of life decisions, Hillary has stood firm as an advocate for a woman's right to choose. She has expanded access to family planning services, including for low-income women. She spoke out forcefully against the Supreme Court's April 2007 decision that -- for the first time in decades -- failed to recognize the importance of women's health.
Hillary has worked to empower women throughout the world, especially low-income women. She has advocated for access to microfinance programs that enable women to start their own businesses and spoken out strongly against the tragic practice of sex trafficking.
As president, Hillary will continue her lifelong fight to ensure that all Americans are treated with respect and dignity.

Hillary has fought the relentless and insidious efforts by far-right Republicans to limit the protections of Roe v Wade, while also working hard to expand access to family planning services.
Hillary has seen what happens when governments try to control a woman's reproductive health decisions. Whether it was Romania under a dictatorship saying you had to have children for the good of the state or China saying you had to have only one child for the good of the state, governments have dictated the most private and important decisions that we as individuals or families can make.
She has championed the Prevention First Act, which expands access to family planning services for low-income women, requires health insurance companies to cover contraception, and provides a dedicated funding stream for age-appropriate, medically accurate, comprehensive sex education.
As First Lady, she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act and helped found the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancies, which established and achieved a goal of reducing teen pregnancies by one-third between 1996 and 2005.
In partnership with Senator Patty Murray, Hillary waged a successful three-year battle to get the Food and Drug Administration to accept the overwhelming recommendation of the medical community and make Plan B (the "morning after" pill) available over the counter.
Hillary's work to empower low-income women has changed lives. She fought for the elimination of school fees, which prevent poor children in some countries from attending school, and for investments in health care and education for women and girls. And she helped found Vital Voices, a not-for-profit organization that continues to work to support women's leadership around the globe.

i think Obama spent the summer and early fall being vetted.  I also think many in the press and the democrats have a big case of underestimation.  They have underestimated Obama's ability to withstand attacks from the start and yet, he has proven himself time and again.  The HRC campaign is much more ferocious than any republican and Obama has gone up against her and walked away the better one, looking the more presidential.
Bill has not been much of a help for hrc so far.  who knows how he will do in the coming weeks but, I am not surprised that her campaign are rather upset with him.
Bee, Diane and whatever name you go by,
   You put out a slur and attack on Hillary.  What is your proof.  You supposedly seem to know insider information.
    Since you seem to be on this site ALL DAY LONG or at least any time I check in, I am beginning to wonder if you are a paid part of the official Obama campaign.
    Most of us work or have to take care of our families.  We are regular citizens.  How do you have the time day and night to be on this site?
    How do you seem to have information true or not before others?
    I'm beginning to think you are a paid Obama plant.
Obama can campain against Hillary all he wants.There will NEVER BE A BLACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE.Take a poll and you will find out.He even talks big and what he will do as president,He also knows nothing but talk is cheap.Opra said he has been a senator for several years.He hasn't been up in washington a year yet so Opra is also a big liar.
Hillary is leading the charge in the Senate to strengthen equal pay laws and end pay disparities between men and women.

about time Hillary has tried to do something in the Senate....

This is her record so far......


In five years as the most influential Democrat in the Senate, Hillary has managed to get the following laws and resolutions enacted:

• Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site

• Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month

• Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor

• Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall

• Name courthouse after James L. Watson

• Name post office after John A. O'Shea

• Designate August 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death

• Congratulate the Syracuse University Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

• Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship

• Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program

• Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda

• Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death

• Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.


Bee, Diane and whatever name you go by,
  You put out a slur and attack on Hillary.  What is your proof.  You supposedly seem to know insider information.
   Since you seem to be on this site ALL DAY LONG or at least any time I check in, I am beginning to wonder if you are a paid part of the official Obama campaign.
   Most of us work or have to take care of our families.  We are regular citizens.  How do you have the time day and night to be on this site?
   How do you seem to have information true or not before others?
   I'm beginning to think you are a paid Obama plant.

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Please quit the talking point and get straight to the point. I am a citizen just the same way you are and thank God there is no law that ban bogging.

By the way, i can do two or three things at the same time - I am multi-tasking.

Warning Warning  Warning  Warning !!!!!!!!!

If Hillary becomes President all Jewish women with name Monica will not be allowed to be within 150 miles of Washington. The will be a Monica No Fly Zone. Code Red LMFAO
Jerry,
  Why is Hillary stepping up her attacks?  Could it be that Obama has been going at her for months.  Would any candidate just take it and take it without fairly defending themself?  Seems unfair to attack Hillary for defending herself.

"The whole silly kindergarten claptrap began when Obama kept recycling the Jeff Gerth line from his Clinton attack book aiming it at Clinton saying that she and Bill had a 20 year plan.

It was Obama who said that Hillary had been planning a long term run for the WHite House and that he the more authentic Obama, had not.

The Clinton post was an ill conceived rebuttal to Obama's attacks designed to suggest that Obama was perhaps being a trifle dishonest.  

On his Slime ball program, Republican crackpot Chris Matthews went after Gore and Kerry lying and vilifying them by saying they wanted to be president for years.  The unwell Matthews used this on the Dem candidates month after month while telling us that fresh, new, uniter not a divider George Bush really could not care if he were president or not as if this were a virtue and reason enoughh to vote for him.

I suspect the Clinton campaign was trying to stave off these type of attacks that would and will surely come from Matthews and Company.
When checked out we find that most of the supposed facts are lies and have no truth to them or are twisted.  I wonder if any one of us could have stood up to the lies and attacks on our character.  I can tell you.  Not one of us could.

Wonder why Hillary has never refuted any of the stories told about her?
Regina King NH,

You sound like HRC. You list a bunch of your candidates fights without giving us a fact to reference. For instance, if HRC has fought for micro finance loans programs for women-owned businesses, I am yet to see the effect.

The last time I checked, the SBA loan requirement for small business loan application is the same for Bill Gates, Martha Stewart, you, and the poor black woman living in South Carolina.

Please get you facts straight, with references then come back and advocate for HRC.

America is tired of EMPTY PROMISES and EMPTY CLAIMES!
>... the Clinton campaign doesn't need more
> endorsements like the one Andrew Young gave
> to Clinton . . .

Another Black on Black crime.
>> Why is Hillary stepping up her attacks? <<

Two reasons.

1) She's losing.

2) It's what she does best.
Jerry,
 Why is Hillary stepping up her attacks?  

If memory serves me Disgusted.....

It was Obama who played the game evenly.  Even I was disgusted by his seemingly polite arguments against a woman who is not qualified to be president.

Then her inability to give a straight answer to illegals with drivers licenses opened the flood gates.  Hillary could not give a straight answer to anything and she folded faster then the Baltimore Ravens.

Now she is in the fight of her life and she has to go all the way back to when Obama was 4 to find any dirt on him.  Which shows her to be desperate and she is grabbing straws, anything to give her the lead back.

Then her moron husband starts running his mouth and digs an extra foot in her grave.

Hillary better give this one up....
Well, well, well. The NY Times attempting to come to the Clinton's rescue yet again with a 'Hillary's Scars' story. The only scars Hillary has are self inflected, either by her, or her husband. And people are now realizing that the New York Times is no longer the paper of record, but is the media arm of the Clinton campaign. Nobody wants a victim to be President either, and that is exactly what the NYTs story infers about Hillary.
What has Clinton caught a case Of ""OH POOR ME""?

SCARS, Is this some kind of a mind game she is now Playing, Pitty me, the truth hurts, another scandal, Bill "shut up", Its too hot in here, self serving agenda.

Truth: Just another Media ploy!

Summary: Poor company
Jerry,
  Where have you been...on  vacation...did you not see the CNN Dem debate where OBAMA not Hillary could NOT give a straight answer on giving illegals driver's liscenses?  When asked Hillary said simply NO.

Obama waffled around and finally when prodded said YES.

Here's the thing, Jerry,

Obama says he would give dirver's lisense to illegals BUT...BUT he has stated that he does not think illegals should be allowee to WORK in this country.

They can drive but not work.  

That does not make a bit of sense, Jerry.
Obama----all sizzle---no steak
"He's probably gone with more black women than Barack," Young said of former President Clinton, drawing laughter from a live television audience. Young, 75, was quick to follow his comment on Bill Clinton with the disclaimer, "I'm clowning. In the search for a colorblind society the standard to measure ...

Can you imagine if Rudy or mitt or Fred or any GOP candidate would have said that?????  LOL
Edwards took an implicit swipe at Clinton. “Edwards asked residents in the room that when they go to caucus, that they back the person they can trust,”


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Ouch! Everyone is now taking their shots at the Hill.

Trust for a Clinton is like a cross for a vampire. Neither work well together.
Here is another reason why i don't trust Hillary Clinton. Remember she fired one of her staff in South Carolina; yet, another staff in IOWA keeps sending false rumor and was just fired recently.

I think we need to keep our eyes on her because she is disingenuous and ruthless

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGEzOGI2OTM4ZjE0MTZmYmZlZjRkZWZmN2M0NTEyZDc=

Hillary does not "yearn to serve". She yearns to rule!
Where have you been...on  vacation...did you not see the CNN Dem debate where OBAMA not Hillary could NOT give a straight answer on giving illegals driver's liscenses?  When asked Hillary said simply NO.

Obama waffled around and finally when prodded said YES.

John Jay (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 11:05 AM)

Have you blocked out the October 30 debate and the following TWO WEEKS in which Hillary couldn't decide? She finally decided on no once Gov. Spitzer scrapped the plan.
"He's probably gone with more black women than Barack," Young said of former President Clinton"

Could you imagine the press asking Bill about those comments?

Could you imagine the press asking Hillary about those comments?

Why isn't Hillary out there today condemning those comments?

Are these some of the "scars" Hillary has that the NYTs talks about?

On so many levels, Andrew Young has handed Barack Obama a Christmas gift.
-----CLINTON SLEEZE FATIGUE WILL INVIGORATE GOP, DISPIRIT DEMOCRATS AND SINK DEMOCRATIC TICKET-----

-----EDWARDS/RICHARDSON TO WIN-----

It is possible that Senator Clinton is the best candidate.  However, even though many may like the policies that Senator Clinton proposes, they should also consider her record, just as Senator Clinton insists.
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The last Clinton Administration, when faced with the fact that protection rackets where assaulting, torturing and murdering people with poison and radiation, chose to avoid its responsibilities to incarcerate the criminals and to protect the citizenry.
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Instead, they made a deal with the criminal gang stalker protection rackets to leave them alone and to consequently abandon the citizenry.
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Do we want a President who sells out the citizenry for votes?
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Do we want a President who sends a "crime does pay" message to society?
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Would you vote for a President who signed nonaggression deals with the KKKlan or the Nazi party? Gangs that torture with poison and radiation are much like the KKKlan and Nazi Party.
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We do not need a sellout President. We need a principled leader President.
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If you are one of the few who do not know what the above refers to, do a web search for “gang stalking” to see the tip of the dirtberg.  Please do it before you decide to reply to my post. Here let me make it easy for you: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22gang+stalking%22.
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Wednesday, it is silly immature hate filled "mean girl" attacks like yours that leave scars.  Bullies do that you know.

No doubt if you and I had been subjected to the hate filled comment you made, we not survive it.

Scars and unreasonable hate like you spew,  make me so proud of Hillary.

She has done what not one of us could do, she had withstood the slashes and slashes, has some scars, but By GOD Hillary is still standing and is stronger for it.

I'm so proud to be a Hillary Clinton supporter.
Experience, leader, strong who will stand up for what she believes.

Hillary is there when we need her.  She stands up votes.  She does not hid out on women's issues.  She is there for us.  

I'm a proud Hillary Clinton supporter.

Obama is a de facto Repiblican with a Democratic label

He attacks his Demo. rivals with Rupbulican talking points

Obama is a Trojan Horse
The more I learn about Obama, the more calculating he seems.  

The audacity of hope and change.  Sounds lofty and great but Obama should come down to the real world and tell us the policies he will implement to get the change and hope he talks about.


Have you blocked out the October 30 debate and the following TWO WEEKS in which Hillary couldn't decide? She finally decided on no once Gov. Spitzer scrapped the plan.
CitizenJ (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 11:17 AM)

J, come on now.  You shouldn't answer a question with a question - especially not a question that points the finger at someone else and says "but she did it first!!"  You are better than that, and frankly, Obama claims to be better than that.

So what do you have to say about Obama's meandering answer at the CNN debate?  
Obama after waffling around in the CNN Debate finally said he was FOR giving driver's lisense to illegals.

Later he stated that he would not allow illegal immigrants to WORK in this country.

Obama= allow illegals to drive in the USA
Obama= do not allow illegals to work

What does that mean?  Illegals can take road trips or drive to the mall but they can NOT work?

Talk about waffling or flipping.

Obama's plan makes NO sense.
Anyone who does not realize everything that Hillary Clinton has been subjected to over the past 15-20 years has lost touch with reality.  Let's put in perspective, shall we?

How horrible do you think it would be to have your husband's infidelity splashed all over the tabloids for months (if not years)?  How horrible do you think it would be to have your qualifications as a wife and a mother challenged because of how you responded to that infidelity - again, those challenges coming in the mainstream mass media?  

Think about how you would feel if your spouse cheated on you, and your marriage became the source of jokes on The Tonight Show or David Letterman, or Saturday Night Live.

Think about having everything you said and did for over 15 years being critiqued by someone on TV, in a paper, in a book, etc.

I challenge anyone to live under the miscroscope that Hillary has for 15 years.  Then come back to me and say you don't have scars.
Hillary is just the kind of president I want.

Example: She's honest.  If some low level non paid person in her camp puts out a comment about Obama being a Muslim...no matter if it was months ago...when it is brought to her attention, she fires them.

Hillary is a good, honest, strong leader.  She is not calculating like Obama.

Hillary stands up for us.
i like the quote I saw

OBAMA IS ALL SIZZLE AND NO STEAK
Bravo, Carrie, you said it better than I could but with my exact feelings.

I am voting for Hillary because she is strong  scars and all.

Hillary will be there when we need her.  She won't hiding in some corner giving cover to others by her non votes or decisions.

We need a strong leader who was been through the fire, been tested and has come out on the other side stronger and better for it.

I admire Hillary.
Obama ducks votes on women's reproductive isssues.

Strong leader    

Hardly

Where would Obama be when we needed him?
J, come on now.  You shouldn't answer a question with a question - especially not a question that points the finger at someone else and says "but she did it first!!"  You are better than that, and frankly, Obama claims to be better than that.

So what do you have to say about Obama's meandering answer at the CNN debate?  

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Monday, December 10, 2007 11:41 AM)

Carrie,

I'm not trying to acquit Obama on the issue. I think he could have made his answer much easier to understand. However, the first time the question was asked in the October 30 debate, he was VERY clear. And even in the CNN debate, when asked about it, he mentioned the legislation he voted for as a State Senator that was essentially the same issue. It was crystal clear to me, but I think that's because I already knew where he stood on the issue. He definitely could have been more clear. But, in the end, he was able to say "yes". Clinton did not do that, which was what the fuss was about.

I just thought it was interesting that the first poster left out the origination of the whole YES/NO argument, seeing as how it was the big issue for two weeks afterward.
Anyone who does not realize everything that Hillary Clinton has been subjected to over the past 15-20 years has lost touch with reality.  Let's put in perspective, shall we?


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Nobody is saying Hillary doesn't have scars. The debate is what kind of scars are they? Hillary's scars are of her own making. By staying with her husband, she has accepted those scars. Now, if she's accepted them, why is she trying to use them as a reason people should vote for her?

Hillary is trying to have it both ways, and neither way works. Is Hillary the strong feminist woman that got to where she is by her own merits? Or is Hillary the put upon victim?  I think the answer to both of those questions is no.

Hillary though seems to want to answer "yes" to both of those questions, and that just does not work.

These all look like acts of desperation by Hillary.
Clinton fatigue, already.
Jerry,
 Where have you been...on  vacation...did you not see the CNN Dem debate where OBAMA not Hillary could NOT give a straight answer on giving illegals driver's liscenses?  When asked Hillary said simply NO.

Hillary only said no because she gave five different answers at the Philadelphia debate and cried like a baby claiming she was being picked on because she is a girl.
Obama is God
Is VAN on vacation?  Paging Van on this blog.  I will post on another blog.  Please let him know I am looking for him to show me the trends of Hillary Clinton is going downward.  

Honestly, I have liked Barack from the beginning.  The tired policies and hatred that I have seen on both sides for the past 16 years has been tiring.  I am glad to see something new and something that will make America better and stronger.  Obama 08
Heather:

I find it disturbing that you think that feminists can't also be victims.  I guess by your thinking, if a woman achieves things by her own merits, she can never have anything go wrong in her life?  I don't get it, to be honest.

I don't think Hillary has EVER used Bill's cheating as a reason for people should vote for her.  If you disagree, please provide specifics, including links to any statements that she has made indicating she wants people to feel sorry for her and vote for her because Bill couldn't keep it in his pants.  

By the way, I don't happen to think that Hillary trying to work on her marriage was her "asking for" anything.  She did what she felt was right, for many reasons - not the least of which was her child.  Who are you to judge her for that?  
Regina King NH,
You are brilliant!
Einstein said, 'The problems of our world cannot be solved by the same level of consiousness that developed them.'  Hillary Clinton keeps reinventing herself, but she has not raised her consciousness, and is still morrassed in the same old same old, just with a different slant: a new laugh, then no laugh again,or a flurry of attacks, then no attacks again....   What we need is a new consciousness.  We need Barack Obama.
Carrie - Did you not read the NYTs article? In black and white, it talks of her battles with all of Bill's conquests. The entire story is about her victim-hood. And the scars she has aren't used as a sign of her inner-strength, they are used as an excuse for why she is viewed as distant, cold, defensive, and calculating.

All the candidates have their personal stories and scars. Edwards especially. But none of the others are using those personal scars in their campaign. That's the strength Hillary lacks.

As Clinton falls further and further out of the race, her campaign attempts to redefine who Hillary is. But, either she has 35 years of experience and we know who she is, as Hillary contends on some days, or she's this person that we don't understand and we have to be continually re-introduced to on a daily basis. Again, which is it?

Bill Clinton recently complained about the press and how it's treating Hillary. The press hasn't treated her any different then any other candidate, but yet there are the complaints from Hillary's campaign that they are being too hard on her. One, the press is hard on everyone and no other candidate is complaining. Two, if she can't manage the press now, wait to see how difficult the press will treat her if she's ever President.

Hillary wants to be treated like every other candidate, but complains non stop when she is treated that way. Again, that is not strength. Feminsts can be victims, but they should not use that as an excuse for their [mis-]behavior as Hillary is portrayed in the NYTs article. That too is not strength.
The Clinton's were scum bags then & they're scum bags still.
Pandora's box, Who opened it?

America has no intention of electing a Washington paper hanger. Clinton is self serving! No matter what the polls say, but if your a camp follower and not an individual then your stupid existance is no more than Clinton!!!!!


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